holy shit seed oil is actually in everything... it's fed to the animals, it's in seasoning, every packaged food... is eliminating it from my diet the true path to enlightenment?
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uh oh.. you just done a KETO somehow, even tho keto and seed oils are compatible with eachother
enlightenment is not having mercury or lead poisoning and having a functional thyroid
>mercury or lead poisoning
You forget the microplastics
Microplastics are awesome, I used to have issues with my massive scrotum making women uncomfortable because they could see my husband bulge and now I’ve got a little baby scrotum.
I just want beef tallow to come back
beef tallow causes heart disease in poor people
I fail to see the issue if it's limited to Blacks and white trash as you claim
Cause and effect statement. Cite some evidence for it or retract it
clogged arteries go brrrrr
because of the trans fats they replaced the tallow with
kek you're delusional. Saturated fat clogs arteries. Everyone knows this
no it doesnt
natural trans fats are healthy industrial ones cause heart disease
>natural trans fats
Incorrect.
Trans fats are trans fats.
theyre not the same
> Contrary to popular opinion, not all trans fats are bad for you. Researchers have now found that a diet with enriched levels of trans vaccenic acid (VA) -- a natural animal fat found in dairy and beef products -- can reduce risk factors associated with heart disease, diabetes and obesity.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/04/080402152140.htm
>an unsourced undocumented trial consisting of 4 paragraphs from a non-existent "symposium" from a "PhD candidate" named "Wang" with no p. values, no data, no pictures, no references with no publications in other journals
Your regularly cited 100 year old opinion pieces are more valuable than this steaming pile of shit you just linked.
even human milk has trans fat in it. you are incredibly moronic
>human milk has trans fat in it
Good thing we only consume it for 1/40th our lifespans.
You even reading the manure you keep pasting? The article linked is literally just speculating on this issue.
It seems to me like you literally googled "natural trans fat good study" and didn't bother to read anything you posted.
Bad faith to the max.
its not speculating. Read more than just the abstract moron. If you eat meat or dairy you eat trans fats
>its not speculating
Yes, it is.
The data is speaking about trans fat content in oils, as well as the negative health effects of trans fats. There is no data presented on any differences between "natural" and processed trans fats. And there is plenty of data from countless studies showing that no trans fats in any amounts are good.
>but meat has trans fat
And my balls have semen but that doesn't mean you want them inside of you (maybe you'd like the latter, actually)
Bro, just listen to how stupid you sound. We literally evolved to eat meat and gather shit. Why on earth would meat ( given that it isn't industrial crap filled with growth hormones and anti biotics) be bad for us if it's literally what have been eating since the birth of humanity itself?
>Why on earth would
Not an argument
>Why on earth would meat be bad for us if it's literally what have been eating since the birth of humanity itself?
NTA, but evolution is a b***h and doesn't care if you drop dead at 50 from a heart-attack.
Also, the abundance of food and obesity in the modern world is completely different.
We also don't have a fricking clue what early humans actually ate.
For all we know they lived exclusively on fricking seed oils....
>We literally evolved to eat meat
lmfao the eskimos dropped dead at 35 of heart disease
keep coping moron
yeah bro, because freerange beef and chicken is totally like eating whales. Are you really that stupid?
One is probably pumped full of toxins as the larger the fish ( I know whales are a mammal but that doesn't matter in this argument) the more toxins it gathers in its meat.
>freerange beef and chicken is totally like eating whales
Have you really run out of so many strawmans that we're now comparing whales (saturated fat) to beef (saturated fat)?
>all meats are the same
do you even listen to yourself? Some meats are full of toxins, that's why it's not recommended you eat more than one can of tuna a week because the mercury poisoning can build up in your body. If you don't get that whales, large ass animals that accrue way more toxins that are dumped into the water by globohomo.
Your argument is basically:
>hur durr here's a tribe that lives off meat exclusively and they happen to die of heart attacks! Therefore all tribes living off meat must get heart attacks
you sound legitimately low IQ, no offence
>reading any of this shit
Ketoschizo having a literal meltdown attacking his based eskimos and the holy crown of meat itself.
wtf are you talking about fricking projecting weirdo. Go touch grass homosexual and eat your goy slop.
>he saves these incel memes
ick
Your 'points' are so inconceivably moronic I'd feel dirty just responding to them.
>touch grass
You're going to get heart disease whether you eat whales or grass fed cattle.
Cope+seethe+dilate
>You're going to get heart disease whether you eat whales or grass fed cattle.
>save more spiritual filth alienating you further from psychologically healthy individuals
good golem!
(you)
Eskimos got heart disease from eating lots of fatty fish that contains, you guessed it, a high amount of polyunsaturated fats. It doesn't matter if they come from seed oils or salmon, they're gonna frick up your heart regardless.
asinine post. Truly wretched
>there is no evidence of heart disease
>whoops turns out everyone had it
>uhh, muh nootrients
Your posts are a non stop flurry of diarrhea sharts ontop a bed of rusty nails
>asinine post. Truly wretched
You can cope all you want but polyunsaturated fats cause heart disease regardless of their source. I don't know if you're rejecting this fact entirely or if you've just been tricked by fish oil marketers but either way, you're wrong and will continue to be wrong until the day you die.
>polyunsaturated fats cause heart disease
Again, no evidence. Showing some squiggly lines from fat Chris Knobbe doesn't mean shit.
>you've just been tricked by fish oil marketers
Your words are insidious in their profound stupidity.
>Again, no evidence
Anon, you shouldn't be this arrogant when you're also this ignorant.
Fred Kummerow, famous as one of the primary scientists in establishing the dangers of trans fats and campaigning against them:
>one of the pioneers in establishing the connection between trans fats and heart disease, and he helped to cement the inclusion of trans fats into the Nurses' Health Study. He also helped discover that it is oxidized cholesterol, rather than the cholesterol, that causes heart disease
spent his later years studying and speaking against polyunsaturated fats:
>https://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/17/health/a-lifelong-fight-against-trans-fat.html
>In the past two years, he has published four papers in peer-reviewed scientific journals, two of them devoted to another major culprit he has singled out as responsible for atherosclerosis, or the hardening of the arteries: an excess of polyunsaturated vegetable oils
This is a guy who devoted his entire life to studying the relationship between dietary fats and heart disease and I'm inclined to think that he knew what he was talking about when he said that it's not just trans fats but polyunsaturated fats as well. There are tons of studies proving this but we both know you won't read them so I won't waste my time posting them. I think this is evidence enough.
And I wonder what Fred said against saturated fat you braindead zealot turd.
Egyptians are not long ago. They had diseases of civilization.
they ate a low fat grain based diet just like most do today in UK US and many EU countries
>he thinks that anyone in Western countries eats a low fat diet
lol
lmao
you havent read it. Bottom line there is zero evidence natural trans fats are deleterious and they are clearly different from industrial trans fats. Not replying to your dumbass anymore
No one had pounds of meat per day back then
>MUH SOURCES
you are a gay and moronic. why would natural trans fats be the same as industrial lubricants. zero logic
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/B9780983079156500071
>Only one study that I personally find fault in, for meme reasons like p values and chinese authorship (even though the study was done in American and quotes other reasearch) was listed, therefore no other one's exist
Moron.
there’s no natural trans fat, it was invented in a lab in 1911
meds
The sun is hot
>meds
Water is wet
>meds
has never been laid
>REEEE!! MEDS MEDS MEDS FRICK YOU!!!!!
well you're wrong. there are naturally occurring trans fats and they're healthy.
That’s fine, I prefer coconut oil when fricking your mom in the ass anyway.
The French paradox is an apparently paradoxical epidemiological observation that French people have a relatively low incidence of coronary heart disease (CHD), while having a diet relatively rich in saturated fats,[1] in apparent contradiction to the widely held belief that the high consumption of such fats is a risk factor for CHD. The paradox is that if the thesis linking saturated fats to CHD is valid, the French ought to have a higher rate of CHD than comparable countries where the per capita consumption of such fats is lower.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_paradox
The Israeli paradox is an apparently paradoxical epidemiological observation that Israeli israelites have a relatively high incidence of coronary heart disease (CHD), despite having a diet relatively low in saturated fats, in apparent contradiction to the widely held belief that the high consumption of such fats is a risk factor for CHD. The paradox is that if the thesis linking saturated fats to CHD is valid, the Israelis ought to have a lower rate of CHD than comparable countries where the per capita consumption of such fats is higher.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_paradox
israelites are dysgenic diseased trash
It's funny how they call it a paradox rather than just admitting their thesis is wrong.
they call it a paradox cause the seed oil thesis is either wrong, completely wrong, or a fallacy i. e. there is no correlation between chd and seed oil, but its not really a paradox-its an old faulty study
admitting theyre wrong is detrimental to every country exporting those oils
so they lobby it i presume
same thing happenned with tobacco a century ago
now if you were to link abnormal ashkenazi schizophrenia rates to the consumption of said oils that would be outright banned on the grounds of "conflict of interests"
>"perfect diet" per american food pyramid
>Jews guzzle 30 grams of oil each day
>11% of all caloric intake is seed oil
>their health is comparable or worse to the americans-CHD, cancers and obesity rates are the same
grim
>schmaltz
>appeal to popularity
Malnourished vegan brain.
Imagine living through covid and still trusting "scientific experts" on literally anything. You saw the greatest psy op in human history and the efforts the government went through to convince you covid was going to kill you, and you still believe what they have to say. These are the same people who told every 90's kid to eat 10 servings of bread a day.
>tallow
Filled with trans fats.
>good goyim! Ignore the statistics and the fact that we used animal fat since hundreds of thousands of years- buy our industrial waste- i mean healthy fats, silly golem!
>using words you dont understand
Oof
We've also died of heart disease for hundreds of years.
source? it's the exact opposite you moron
We've found evidence of atherosclerosis in mummies, frozen cavemen, and various other forms of preserved bodies.
>inb4 the cavemen consumed seed oil
I am so sick of you homosexuals it's ridiculous
egyptians had calcification because their diet sucked and lacked certain nutrients. they didnt eat primal they were domesticated cucks and suffered metabolic disorders like people today.
False, provenly false. We had no such thing as people having clogged arteries in their 30s until 1900s.
you can just buy it dumbfrick
Olive Oil is okay? I've been using coconut.
coconut is great for buttsex
you mix the coconut with the butt sex and you get homonut
Kek
I wanna try that, but I dont think I could
I have a horrible reflex, I could barely brush my teeth when I put my braces on (at 18 y/o) and everytime I go to the dentist I am fighting for my fricking life, but hey sometimes the cutie young intern rests her hand on me and it makes me feel funny
I used to live with a gay roommate who kept a tub of coconut oil in the kitchen and whenever I was out of olive oil I'd use it for cooking, never asking for permission. Once when I had it out he walked into the kitchen and saw me scooping some out with a spoon into my pan. He just stared at me in silence before walking away. It took me years to realize what I'd done.
I'm ded
lol that'll teach you to ask
I prefer xlube for thrusting, coconut oil is too draggy, so it's better for plugs
Damn homosexuals are disgusting, why did he keep it in the kitchen? What an arrogant frick
Generally, fruit oils are fine. Think about oils that are simple to gain.
Coconut for example is literally right in the fruit. It's probably the closest plant equivalent we have to animal fats.
Avocados and olives just need to be heated and presses.
Any oil that has to be bleached, you should avoid
>fruit oils
Mostly seeds by weight.
And don't you know fruits are SELECTIVELY BRED and therefore not ancestral?
>Mostly seeds by weight
Yeah because the issue with seed oils are totally because they are from seeds
>Avocados and olives just need to be heated and presses.
>This enrages the Italian.
Heating olives works for Olive Oil, but if you want to make the more expensive Extra Virgin Olive Oil, you can't apply heat, and you have to press them within a time window of 6 to 18h from picking them (can't remember the exact timing, sorry).
Only use EVOO and always read the labels. "Cooking" olive oil are often blends with other oils
Coconut is fine too. It's like 99% saturated. Which is more than tallow or butter.
Can you use coconut oil to fry fries (and general slop)?
Yes and its delicious, beef tallow is the best flavor wise but coconut oil is pretty good.
Though all frying is unhealthy regardless.
Even air fryer without oils?
that's just baking
Olive oil is elite provided you source it well (single place of origin and don't buy from Italy because it has an 80% shot of being fake)
Seed oils are bad because of the chemical structure of the fats they contain, not because of the complexity of their extraction process or the fact that they're seeds rather than fruits. You should avoid any fat with a huge PUFA content and yes that includes olive and avocado oils.
I like how ketolards conveniently ignore that olive oil is made from whole olives seed and all.
>Seed oil production process is horrible, fruit oils are fine
>Heh, you must a keto fanatic
Do you not understand why people are wary of seed oils? I can break it down for if you want
Not him but yes could you please?
olive oil also sucks
Yeah, that's the reason med countries are unhealthy as frick 😉
You dumb person. The seed isn't what makes them bad for you.
The way of getting the oil makes the difference. Virgin olive oil is cold pressed and nothing more, which keeps all the good fats and shit intact.
Processing oil, on the other hand, involves a lot of heat and filtering which removes almost all beneficial components from the oils (yes, even olive oil).
>The seed isn't what makes them bad for you.
>The way of getting the oil makes the difference.
Prove it.
>inb4 all science is wrong abloo bloo bloo
>"a. Cold-Pressing Technique
The cold-pressing technique used for producing extra virgin olive oil involves crushing the olives and separating the oil from the pulp using a centrifuge. This process is performed at low temperatures (below 27°C or 80°F), ensuring that the oil maintains its natural flavour, aroma, and nutritional content. The first extraction of oil is considered the highest quality and is referred to as "extra virgin."
b. Refined Olive Oil Production
Refined olive oil, on the other hand, undergoes a refining process that includes the use of heat, chemicals, or filtration to remove impurities and improve the oil's appearance, shelf life, and consistency. This process often results in a loss of natural flavours and nutrients. There are different refining methods, such as:
Chemical refining: This method uses solvents like hexane to extract more oil from the olive pomace (residue left after cold pressing) and then refining it using processes like neutralisation, bleaching, and deodorisation.
Physical refining: This method involves using heat and steam to remove impurities and undesired components from the oil without the use of chemicals"
Just google the difference between the two.
That's nice. But not related to my post.
See:
>The way of getting the oil makes the difference.
>makes the difference
>the difference
The difference you're referring to meaning health. I want evidence.
>trace hexane is your food for your entire life is great for you, anon, let me see the studies
>heating proteins and fats creates carcinogens, denatures vitamins andchanges the lipid profile to one that humans aren't supposed to eat, NOT THAT THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT
Studies have shown that polyunsaturated fats are so unstable that the digestive process is sufficient to cause them to oxidize. The PUFA in your cold pressed extra virgin olive oil is going to frick you up exactly the same as the PUFA in basedbean oil.
Natural and simple does not always mean healthy.
if you're gonna be b***hing about "evidence" then you better square up and provide evidence for your own side of the argument, bub
>what are antioxidants
>PROVE TO ME WASHING SEEDS WITH CHEMICALS AND COOKING WITH MOTOR OIL IS BAD FOR YOU
No, please keep using it.
Lol you simping for the people that made the food pyramid?
>keto
moron
moron x2
Vegan mongoloid.
The olive oil doesn't come from the seed though, obviously.
wait you're saying they use the olive seed for olive oil?
>buys processed food
>is surprised when its actual garbage
anon, I...
knowledge of seeeeeeed oils being poison has been in fit public domain since 2018 if not earlier. surely you know what to do by now.
The extra virgin olive oil you will find on the shelves is made by mixing and warming the crushed olive paste with water. Good luck finding cold pressed. Btw doing this is fine as long as it's at some low temperature, i.e. 40-50°C
>it's fed to the animals
Eat ruminant animals, they can convert much of PUFA to saturated fats. Dairy is safe roo. Avoid heating egg yolks too much tho.
>it's in seasoning
Ranch and mayonnaise isn't seasoning. Nobody's putting it in your paprika powder or garlic cloves
>every packaged food
Making your own food from fresh ingredients has been the #1 way to improve your health even taking sneed oils in account. There so much other crap in there.
I thought this was so obvious and only room temperature IQ morons and good goy cattle whose brains have already rotten still bought packaged food.
Is the corn industry behind both the stuff about söy and about rapeseed?
Removing sneed oils from your diet is Step 1 to enlightenment. You'll notice the difference within a week or two. Godspeed, anon.
Question bros
Is Ghee okay? I like to put it on my steaks when I cook them
Ghee is top tier
Ghee and tallow are ideal for cooking, preferably from grass-fed cows. Lard and other animal fats would be fine if you could get them from animals that aren't fed literal slop (seeds), but good luck finding them.
sure. go ahead and also go on about it in great detail to people in real life, as well as details about whatever newest dietary thing you find out about on the internet
I saw canola oil as an ingredient yesterday in JUICE. What the FRICK is JUICE doing with Canola oil in it?
absolutely disgusting
Why is this bad exactly? They just crush the seeds and then filter the oil... no israelite chemicals are getting added.
the seeds are the israelites
I just watched the video and it convinced me not to eat seed oils. There is a pretty fricking grim stage of the process where they wash the crushed seeds in solvent to extract more oil from them. I don't have any evidence this is bad, but I also don't have any evidence that it's good. For a few extra dollars I'll just keep buying olive oil.
you want tallow and butter not oil
i think olive oil is okay for cold uses or light cooking but on rare occasions i make something fried i use tallow or ghee
Sorry dude I can't follow you on that one.
i dont know if drinking bleach is israeli or not but youre literally consuming waste products
of something the israelites thought wouldnt sell at all before they made candles out of this crap
its too much omegas 6 and its rancid from the moment that it has left the factory,
you just wont notice through smelling or looking after the long processes of filtering
and bleaching the oil.
Oilive is a fruit, not a ''seed''.
You're truly ALL autistic
sneed oils hehe
>https://www.nature.com/articles/1600621
>These data suggest that cholesterol synthesis is lower during diets rich in coconut fat and safflower oil compared with diets rich in butter and might be associated with lower production rates of apoB-containing lipoproteins.
>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34527059/
>Our findings revealed that flaxseed oil supplementation might play a beneficial role in the reinforcement of the antioxidant defense system and amelioration of oxidative stress in adults.
>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34635132/
>Flaxseed intervention suggested the positive effects on lipid profiles, inflammatory cytokines and anthropometric indices in patients with dyslipidemia related diseases
>https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/13/7/2436/htm
>The addition of EVOO enhances the vasodilatory capacity of the brachial artery even in the short term
>nutrition science is real
yup
rapesneed is apparently on par with EVOO in a lot of ways, trading blows when it came to CVD and cancer iirc
take your testosterone injection sweaty
but it comes from a machine and something about ancestors so its bad
Olive oil is no better than söybean oil or canola oil.
Olive is a fruit, not a seed, you're literally ignorant like a middle school guy.
Keep eating goyslop and taking pajeetgandha
They put it in absolutely everything four our health benefit even though corporations are evil and racist except Pfizer that defeated covid with the help of operation warpseed eventhoughever Drumpf is evil and racist but Marvel Phase 5 will definitely save this historical franchise even though WE WILL RESIST CAPITALISM!
this
>bots didn't reply to it so far
MAKE ME REALLY THINK
>put the sneeds through the most complicated purification process known to man
>still super reactive and collapses into cancer at room temperature
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edible_oil_refining
this shit is terrifying, disturbing. Seed oil peddlers should get the rope. Thanks for posting and I lold at the file name
If something is extracted via solvent and then put through a deodorization process before being deemed fit for Black person cattle consumption then you know it's good
a Ray Peater in the making
I used to think it's a meme but I eliminated sneed oils from my diet and lowered carb intake by 100g and lost 15kg in three months. no other changes to diet.
>i started eating less and i lost weight!
wow, incredible
400cals reduction won't make you lose 1.25kg a week alone.
yeah wow i guess you found a way to circumvent the laws of themodynamics
you gonna patent that shit, bro?
Oh you're a moron
>no you don't understand, seed oils and carbs magically make you gain extra weight out of thin air and if you stop eating them, you can magically lose weight too
Correct
This shit has been proven time and time again moron, your body isn't some magical dynamo that processes everything with the exact same efficiency and fat cells are developed for a lot of different reasons including to isolate poisons in one's diet.
CICO is a backbone for diet, not the end-all be-all.
>HURRDURR MUH THERMODYNAMICS
Obesogens
oh wow an unlabeled, unsourced picture of a normal rat sitting next to a fat one
ok, i'm convinced, obesity didn't exist prior to the invention of seed oils
thank you for educating me
>strawmanning
>black or white reductivism
Try harder
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3279464/
>i-it's not my fault that i'm fat, it's because of all this stuff they put in my food that make me gain weight even though i hardly eat anything
anyone who's not fat recognizes this for the fatty cope that it is
other fatties who dont know any better might fall for it but anyone who's successfully lost weight or put on muscle instantly recognizes this for the cope that it is
i dont give a frick about rats, show me some actual human studies or frick off
i remember you fatties crying about your thyroids for years until we got human studies that showed that even extreme thyroid dysfunction only results in a weight gain of like 15-20lbs
but you people are always on the lookout for another way to excuse yourselves from taking any personal responsibility, aren't you?
>ad hominem
>more strawman
>compositional
>literally no attempt to engage with the actual argument
The only salient point you made was a lack of human data but, unfortunately, it takes 2 decades for a human to grow up and you can't fricking isolate people from all the poison in the environment on a whim as opposed to rats who take a few months and can be kept in clean rooms. So you're going to have to wait
But do go on de facto simping for the government, they could never do anything wrong and have masses of your food be outright toxic since pre-natal, obviously you're fit so nothing else matters! The fact that fats and caloric intake have decreased over time but obesity is still rising is completely meaningless because you're not obese!
Post body btw.
>The fact that fats and caloric intake have decreased over time but obesity is still rising is completely meaningless
oh ok, we're just outright lying now
that's cool i guess, when you can't win on facts you have to try to win with dishonesty
>https://www.businessinsider.com/american-calorie-intake-last-52-years-diet-food-eating-increase-science-2017-6
>The average American consumes more than 3,600 calories daily – a 24% increase from 1961, when the average was just 2,880 calories.
you have to present an actual argument first in order for me to "lose" it
still waiting on that first part
Anon, it was proven 100 years ago that seed oils cause you to get fatter vs. animal fats.
There is no discussion here, seed oils are poison.
>DES
>a medication
sneed oil memers are the worst IST posters. too stupid to understand or research anything.
literally nothing to do with dietary fats. have a nice day.
>all fuel is the same quality
>What's sugar
>What's insulin
lmao oh no, fatty's gonna educate me about sugar and insulin
ok bro go ahead, this should be good
don't worry, i'll make sure to correct you after you're done
Bro, stop spamming this thread with your pajeet bs. You sound like an edgy 12 year old and by all metrics you lost every argument and havent contributed any useful information. Touch grass homosexual
Yup. Just skip sneed oils and your diet will fix itself, did that and lost weight doing nothing and just feel better than ever. They have poisoned everything with that shit and anything with them is unhealthy with massess of sugars and other processed shit in them.
Anyone advocating for them is a israelite.
70% of olive oil in stores is literally fake, look it up. The mafia owns almost all the industry and they counterfeit it to save money.
>it's in seasoning
???
>use animal fats instead of sneed oils
Not so fast, moron. Animal fats are only healthier if you get them from free-ranging animals eating a natural diet. Grain-fed animals have as unhealthy profiles as any industrial waste you would consume.
>seed oils are in everything.
Seed oils are only in over-processed dog shit, buy meat, vegetables bread from an actual bakery and you will consume 0 seed oils.
kek, bakeries here are the worst, they put rapeseed oil in everything because its so much cheaper than butter. And of course it all tastes like crap too.
Even the meat shops marinate meats in that shit, put it on chicken etc. you have to be really careful and always ask and always read the labels. Its insane how much they stuff seed oils in foods that do not need any fricking oils.
>"Seed oils are bad because they're processed!"
>*sips whey protein smoothie*
You guys are moronic.
>misrepresent the argument
>fail
What part of the whey-making process involves chemical extraction and bleaching?
Oh, you just get whey powder from letting milk sit for a while (making cheese) and then drying the liquid whey?
Fricking moron, it's like saying dehydrated fruit is "processed like seed oils" because you have to cut it and let it dry.
Whenever I squeeze a sunflower seed the oil comes out. Just squeeze the seeds.