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How affective are calisthenics actually?
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Effective compared to what?
Weekly time investment for progress:
weights > calisthenics
Ease of progress:
weights > calisthenics
Lean mass increase per year:
weights > calisthenics
Advanced to elite programming ease:
weights > calisthenics
Mobility:
weights < calisthenics
Injury risk:
weights < calisthenics
Quality of free information resources:
weights > calisthenics
Diet flexibility:
weights < calisthenics
Strength to mass ratio:
weights > calisthenics
Initial investment:
weights < calisthenics
"practical strength":
weights < calisthenics
To me weights are the clear winner but to a thirdie or someone who wouldn't mind a 20-30 hour a week routine calisthenics is generally challenging. Not just in doing it but in navigating all the horrible resources and actually figuring out programming that works for you. The only reason to do calisthenics is if you're too old or frail to lift safely, too poor, or you actually like doing it. If you're like most of this board and just lift for girls or to cope with their molestation hangups just lift it's more reliable and cheaper in the long run when you include diet.
calisthenics is the best, and you suck
>to cope with their molestation hangups
hey who told you about that time those 2 older girls lured me into the storage room?
Imagine not being able to lift your own body lmfao. Hey bro at least you can lift that heavy dumbbell xD
I do pullups with 2 pl8s. You do fifteen cheat reps and pat yourself on the back. We are not the same.
>weight lifters cannot do calisthenics
Another good indicator of a dyel. If you ever stepped foot inside of a gym, you would see most people are also doing weighted calisthenics on top of their weight lifting routine. Maybe not the competitive lifters but for everyone else, they do everything
>practical strength in quotation marks
lel why are you so insecure
Because its a subjective term you moron, lol. Do you consider pulling yourself out of a pool more practical than lifting some heavy weight onto a truck bed? Depending on your lifestyle choices, one will actually be more practical
how fat are you that you think the injury risk is greater with calisthenics? every week I see people snapping shit up while trying to bench press.
No I was saying it was lower. The biggest injury risks for calisthenics is wrists which is easy enough to mitigate with rings and parallels. With weights your strength gains will always outpace your tendon/ligament durability.
the anon might be looking at it from a statistic point of view. there are far more people doing calisthenics shits over weight lifting, so that also means more numbers of injury in calisthenics vs the lower numbers in weight lifting.
Why is everyone shitting on this reply. It's a pretty accurate post. I'd even go as far as saying fpbp
Because they don't do calisthenics because they like it. They do it because they're poor and are scared of gyms and basic social situations.
How is diet flexibility better with calisthenics?
Because it burns more calories and it's protein demands for recovery is lower. It also has longer sessions so that's more for calories out. When I did it more explicitly to be at an actual surplus I had to eat 2800 before cardio on a working day. With lifting I can only eat about 2400 before cardio and fewer days a week at that. May not seem like much but being able to cut on 2000 vs having to cut at 1600 with tighter carb regulation feels massive.
good post
>"practical strength":
>weights < calisthenics
Opinion discarded.
>"practical strength"
What is practical strength?
Weighted calisthenics mogs
why does everyone consider them separate from bodyweight calisthenics? With a chain belt your workouts are way faster than trad barbell shit and you have the added benefit of never having to wait for stuff to open up in the gym
>Strength to mass ratio:
>weights > calisthenics
Strength to weight ratio is a lot better in calisthenics because most of the exercise need you to lighter and they become tougher as you gain weight
I don’t understand why you people don’t just do both instead of one or the other. Like on chest day, I’ll try to set a goal amount of push-ups or dips to do by the end of my workout (usually around 70-100, sometimes more). Or on leg day instead of cardio at the end do box jumps. They both have their own benefits. It’s as you said, most people only lift for girls with no real purpose behind their training other than to look good, so why not take advantage of different types of training to build a strong and well rounded physique?
I do which is why I care enough about calisthenics to not encourage people to do it unless they know what they're getting into. Most people here aren't doing it because they like it and they're trying to force a outcome through calisthenics that isn't going to happen for them and they're going to blame the whole training modality. When really it's the fault of a fitness industry that's saturated with fake natties and everyone trying to reinvent the wheel while sweeping what works under the rug to just have 'content' .
Calisthenics is good but your gains will be extremely slow. You should buy yourself a dip belt and some weights at the very least to do weighted calisthenics.
Pullups and dips are going to be best exercise out of the bunch. Your legs are going to suffer big time. No pistol squats are not going to make you strong compared to someone who actually squats. I would just find a park bench and do split squats on that but without a barbell, you will be extremely limited.
Doesn't this suggest to you that we aren't supposed to have "strong legs"
Oversized legs are a total meme. I still do barbell squats in my Calisthenics routine, but I focus more on mobility, atg, and reps at lower weights. Imo anything over 2pl8 is diminishing returns
>barbell squats
>Calisthenics routine
>don't train legs in calisthenics routine
>OMG YOU DONT TRAIN LEGS
>train legs in Calisthenics routine
>OMG THATS NOT CALISTHENICS ANYMORE
You mogged, you just didn't know it back then
>You mogged, you just didn't know it back then
nah dude. actually the exact moment i realized i wanted to get into weight lifting was when i was at a party and host needed help from 3 dudes to carry 3 kegs into the house. i was standing nearby so he asked me for help along with 2 other dudes. the other 2 dudes picked up the kegs with relative difficulty and carried them in. i couldnt even lift the frickin thing off the ground, no one was around to watch me attempt to lift it but it made me feel really weak compared to normal population.
Wow so you did something you didn't train to do and felt emasculated. Do you also join professional soccer games and cry when you can't play as well?
You didn't know your lane. At 118lbs you're not there to lift things, showing off your movements and having abs is what mogs.
118lbs is light anyway. A good bulk to 135, 8% bodyfat and you could of moved those kegs AND still had the Calisthenics advantages. I'm sure you've overbulked and are now a fat blob. Shame on what could have been. Now you don't mog anybody and you look like shit
sounds like a bit of projection on your end but i felt mogged because it was very simple thing to do that NORMAL people who don't lift, paly sports, or anything were able to do.
just imagine unhealthy college drunks who mogged you by just pickin something up. nothjing to do with me comparing myself to athletes you absolute moron.
but im 155lbs now doing both weight lifting and weighted calisthenics you low iq troll
It is projection. But it's also the truth. Too many guys like you who had perfect slim bodies felt "small" or "weak" and then they, like myself, got brainwashed to bulk to an insane standard that's not achievable natty.
Weighted Calisthenics means nothing. If you lose the ability to do handstands, planches, L sits, crosses, levers, and more from your bulk then it's a failure. Maybe you didn't. But I did, and it's insanely hard to lose weight to get back to my former skinny days. I'd trade away my 4.5pl8 deadlift to be 120lbs 8%bf again
>im too weak to train myself to do all that gymnastics shits
weak as frick
You show me a 180lb guy doing a planche ill show you a roider
>chain smoking aids patient physique giving fitness advice.
what a moron take, you think bodybuilders never do pull ups and sit ups because "eww calisthenics"?
>Imo anything over 2pl8 is diminishing returns
>Oversized legs are a total meme
your legs are no where close to oversized at just 2pl8 squats unless oyu are doing these for at least reps of 8 per set
How did you come to that conclusion? If you didn't have a computer and internet, does this mean we aren't supposed to get information and just figure things out on our own?
yes
Then what are you doing on the internet?
unnatural shit I shouldn't be doing
No
Human legs just have a strength potential so high that at some point it becomes impossible to adequately work them with only your own body.
when will minmaxxers learn that the body is a battery. When it's out, it's out
What the frick are you trying to say?
the body is like a battery. It has a finite amount of energy. 0 replaceable parts. All replacements are a lifetime of suffering. It's stronger than it needs to be because it's supposed to last longer than yours is going to
The logical conclusion of that argument is that we should avoid exercising or movement altogether, because it's all unnecessary wear and tear
You see how moronic that is, don't you?
You can exercise with weights, even quite heavy weights without damaging your body. It's all about not being an idiot and using manageable weight with good form
wrong
Almost correct. We should basically avoid any excercise that doesn't fit the movement patterns our bodies evolved to be optimized for. Which is walking long distances and occasionally sprints.
The wear and tear if you do other excercises is mostly negligible tho, if you're not on Coleman level.
pistol squats
After pistol squats and shrimp squats everything left is nordic curls, the first two are pretty easy to get to
You can have a good, IST body if you stick to basic calisthenics movements (dips, pullups, leg raises and their variations) while being in the 6-15 rep hypertrophy range. Bodyweight can only get you this far, you'll need to add weight at some point and switch to weighted calisthenics.
>the 6-15 rep hypertrophy range.
What if you do it in the 4-8 reps?
I literally do more calisthenics than weight lifting. It's a very subjective thing because in most cases having increased lactic acid thresholds is more practical than having actual numerical strength. Strength is probably what should be in quotations.
>having increased lactic acid thresholds is more practical
Like for what? Are you working in construction with light weights to move around? Even with fights its all about the burst of violence, not carrying the fight to the end of the nonexistent round
Hanging drywall.
Calisthenics mogs because you use more muscle in each lift. Each lift/hold is a compound exercise that requires you to use multiple parts of your body simultaneously. Lots of stabilizer muscles are required, and lots of tendon work as well.
If you want real strength, and to be able to move your body freely do calisthenics
If you want to pick up a heavy object and set it immediately back down then do weight lifting
When it's time to go to the beach, calisthenics mogs
When it's winter time and everyone is wearing multiple layers, weightlifting mogs
>When it's time to go to the beach, calisthenics mogs
I would say bodybuilding mogs both calisthenics and weight lifting. However, oly lifters have extremely good physique so Im not so sure
Steroids mog all training modalities.
L Sit into handstand or planche mogs bodybuilders, even if they are peak physique
Maybe in middle school. You do that shit around a grown woman she'll probably think you're one of those weirdos who stretch to suck their own dick and own a bathmate.
>L Sit into handstand or planche mogs bodybuilders
bruh, i used to do all this shit when i did gymnastics back in high school. i was 118lbs soaking wet, i was not mogging anyone back then
Lads how am I supposed to get more cardio in time wise if calisthenics takes so much fricking time
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Pic rel is the peak most people would achieve and that guy has been training for years and have very low bodyfat.
In reality you will look dyel with clothes on, even naked you will only look just good enough if you have low bodyfat
Also your legs will be smaller even proportional to your upper body
You should do calisthenics only for the sake of learning the movements, otherwise looking bigger and getting stronger faster and more efficiently you should lift weights
You should be doing both. Pull ups and dips are both excellent movements to incorporate even if you mostly lift weights.
Yes, that's even a point for actually going to the gym, in a gym you have the freedom to do both weights and (weighted) calisthenics, while in a park you are very limited to what exercises you can do and the progression
90% of natties won't look like they lift with clothes on.
The remaining 10% are gymcels with good genetics.
>your legs will be smaller
you just have absolutely no idea how to build muscle, my legs are overdeveloped compared to my upper body on calisthenics.
Quite effective, but progressing is harder because at some point adding reps just doesn't make sense and you can't change the resistance by just using more weight, you have to fundamentally alter the movement in some way
your chest will never outgrow dips, and only the elite can outgrow pushups
you will never outgrow pullups
if you train your legs properly, you won't outgrow leg exercises either.
Wanting to do tricks is much more different than growing muscle with calisthenics.
You will be mogger of bw to strength ratio but youd get better looksmaxxing physeek with weights.
>t.10+ years of somewhat calisthenics
As long as you go to failure it doesn't matter what you do you will build muscle
For strength just keep doing harder progressions.
Do basic moves for high reps, then add and explosive variations and pseudo planche push ups to be able to unlock more advanced moves.
Handstand pushups.
Pike push ups, progressively elevate your feet on ansirface until you are in a handstand
Planche push ups
Tuck planches with elbows bent and straight, negatives from straight elbows to bent, then elbow lever planche, then full planche, then negatives from planche to elbow lever, then planche push ups.
Muscle up
If you can do explosive reps on your pull ups just work on flase grip to get the transition.
False grip is obligatory for front levers.
Front levers
The exact same process as the planche but on rows.
1 arm pull ups
Ideally you would be better off doing weighted pull ups, in fact weighted calisthenics make achieving all these skills much more easier but with only calisthenic progressions you have two options you either place your pulling arm right above you and with your other arm progressively place it further away down the bar until you are doing 1 arm, or slide your non pulling arm down your pulling arm all the way down your traps and then you hit 1 arm.
For legs you can work on box jumps, vertical jump, sprints, split squats, step ups, lunges and hip bridges.
For core work on plank variations, v sit ups, hollow body holds and leg raises.
>Weighted calisthenics make achieving these skills easier
Have fun in ACK-city after trying pike or handstand pushups with a weight belt
>This level of reading comprehension
looks so effortless
Black guy has like 4 inches wider grip
Coping
you get good at something you do often? wow
I have yet to see a calisthenics main with impressive lower body
>yeah but show me your juicy, male ass bro haha dyel btfo
You're gay.
Now lets see them do one of the bodybuilders high volume lifts
Pull-ups is one of the best back exercises known to man and mogs pretty much any machine
> t. 3pl8 bencher
Chins and dips are kino but progression becomes a problem.
>but they're short!
Yeah and bodybuilders are known for being tall. Keep in mind these guys don't even roid for size.
They are effective, but they do not, and can not, work your legs. If you don't want to exercise only in pants, like most calisthenics do because they want to hide their chicken legs, then you need to incorporate weights training, and by that point unless you like calisthenics you might as well just do pure weights
That said, I do both, because I enjoy calisthenics. I'm practicing the planche while I work out with weights as well.
Post legs
Haha no
Every single guy that lectures about "calisthenics legs" can never post their squat legs. It's universal.
obviously you should be doing a mix of both