>talk to nice old couple in downstairs apartment >tell me they notice they haven't seen my girlfriend in a while >tell them it's because we broke up >"oh what a shame, she seemed nice, I'm sure you'll find someone else" says the nice old lady - "what age are you, if you don't mind me asking" >tell her I'm 29 >"oh we have a grandson who's 29, he already has 2 children though"
they didn't have to do me like that
Grandparents always talk about their grandkids. Its all they live for. Those of us without kids fall into the abyss alone. The abyss pill is a hard pill to swallow, Nd maybe cant be
seriously, at this point I consider doing hard drugs to at least make that ride enjoyable
who cares in the end if I'm gonna die at 60 in my wage cage anyway
All memes aside, pretty harmful. I'd make a wild guess that at least 30-50% of variation in an individual's health outcome can be attributed to absent or maladaptive social relationships and spirituality, rather than what everyone usually focuses on, diet and exercise.
Tribal peoples in close knit groups don't end up anywhere near as mentally fricked up as moderns do. No lie, the rates of suicide, depressive disorders, anxiety disorders of nonindustrial peoples all pale in comparison to moderns
i don't believe that shit
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that's bullshit
i bet you every control they "tested" with also ate seed oils, drank alcohol, was on ssris and all kinds of shit
I'm pretty sure the "as deadly as smoking 15 cigarettes a day" claim was from a study specifically looking at the elderly. But regardless, it's not that far fetched considering we have the empirical mechanistic data to back it up. We know that oxytocin, a 'social bonding hormone', can modulate and buffer the 'stress hormones' (adrenaline, cortisol, etc), which when elevated are associated with all sorts of ailments. We know that acts of altruism (giving or receiving) can also lower the stress hormones and buffer the stress response. And to top it all off, there's the evolutionary rationale: for all human groups social bonds and cooperation were absolutely necessary for survival so it's no wonder we crave it and seek it out.
>being lonely is a normal emotion
Yeah, but you are not supposed to stew in it forever. >but how long have you been off seed oils
years >fried food makes you anxious
I'm not ANXIOUS moron IM LONELY!
it's incredibly easy. Just cook your own homemade meals with simple base ingredients instead of complex premade ones. Then don't eat out, just eat your own homemade cooking.
9 months ago
Anonymous
ya i only learned about seed oils a few months ago, at around 3 months no sneed oils
>I'm not ANXIOUS moron IM LONELY
if you aren’t anxious then why cant you make friends or get a girlfriend do you live in an uninhabited desert
9 months ago
Anonymous
>if you aren’t anxious then why cant you make friends or get a girlfriend do you live in an uninhabited desert
Because there isn't people with similar values and interests as me.
What good is being fearless and being able to approach anybody if nobody is similar to you.
9 months ago
Anonymous
aren’t*
I can guarantee you there are people around you who have similar values and interests to yours and you just don’t know them well enough for them to show that to you
probably some study that found that lonely people die earlier. It's not that being social makes you super healthy, it's that super healthy people tend to be more social than sick people, not necessarily by choice.
Girls are slaves to their emotions. When she told you that she's never gonna leave you, she meant it. She actually believed it herself, as she was probably madly in love with you. After a while, the feelings kinda fade I guess, she got more dettached from you. So basically she acted on her feelings again even though she broke her past promise. The security you used to give her, she probably found it somewhere else. I'm sorry anon.
I was ghosted 10 days ago by my girlfriend. it was my fault though. I was mean at times, and cold. but I regret everything, every little thing like how I talked to her
I sent her an apology gift which should be there today or tomorrow. but I'm really starting to lose hope.
Same, I recently hit a 170 kg bench after 10 years of lifting only 2 months before my 30th birthday, but I am a 29 year old khhv who, despite all efforts, never gets invited to any social events because I don't like loud music and jumping around spastically.
>be me >6'6" so going to die early naturally >intense loneliness and depression so going to die even earlier >started using oral minoxidil and got chest pains from it so going to die even earlier still
Thank god, get me off this gay Earth. Hopefully it happens in my sleep so I can just fade away. I live alone so no one will find me for days.
>oral minoxidil
moron you are going to die with that shit, unbelievable that many people are willing to put vasilidators into their bloodstream but not just take fin
This is really just so bizarre how there are so many people who don't want to take fin, because they are afraid that it will mess them up, but when it comes to oral minoxidil, they are just like, frick yeah let just take this shit that can definitely lead to heart issues.
Strangely I've started to become very comfortable in my loneliness lately. I'm not a shut-in by any means, got good relationships with coworkers and have some friends from back home who I talk to online regularly, but I've come to enjoy being single again because women are a fricking drag.
On the other hand I wish my last relationship didn't end but it sure is nice not spending money on women. Plus at least now I can never be disappointed in others :^)
I voluntarly excluded myself from dating, marriage and having best friends. I think I'm too mentally fricked and wouldn't bring anything good to others. Living it pretty well tho, it's chill
not that anon but my celibacy is 100% voluntary
NOT humble bragging but I'm 6'2, 8/10 face, middle class, reasonably fit and white+blond in a majorly brown country. if I had blue eyes and upper middle-class I'd be a 10/10 (in this shit hole at least)
but I'm fricked in the head and would rather stay home playing with the cat and noodling with my guitar than going on a pussy slayer saga over the weekend
okay breh I'll bang some random art hoe next weekend to prove you wrong then make a thread about it
I get ~5 "likes" per day on OKC (I like my art hoes). it's a small pool and fore sure I could pull way more on a more normie app, but I'm not into staceys.
we could argue that not trying to get it on with staceys is my cope, but I'm pretty picky nonetheless.
I will stick dick stick my dick in crazy, but 7-9/10 crazy only.
this, a lot of these cucks always cope instead of trying to do something about the shitty aspects of their lives they've cultivated. My brother took the "mgtow" pill a few years ago and tried to frame his incel status like it was a choice. He lost his virginity to a fast food worker with blue hair who already had a baby with another guy who was in jail so she needed financial support (which he gladly obliged with a smile the whole time), and then got mad when she picked the baby's dad over him when the dude got out, and so swore off relationships for good (lmao). Meanwhile his entire adult life he's been 100+lbs overweight with horrible gyno, balding before 30, addicted to league of legends, porn, and weed, high school dropout with no plans for the future, and my mom never beat his ass or punished him when he did something wrong so he grew up with a chip on his shoulder and thinks the planet should revolve around him. The embodiment of "my way or the highway" but then gets mad when people pick the highway because his way fricking sucks dick. Then, to his surprise and nobody else's, girls especially don't like that combination of ugly + wienery so of course everything is the women's fault. Yet every time I see his comments on cuckbook half the time it's him asking "any single ladies and milfs out there, my dm's are open ;D" like it's 2010 or arguing about politics. He had two prospective relationships in his life but he fumbled one because he's a beta masquerading as an alpha, and he declined the other because she was "too fat" even though he himself is 350lbs. I'm not exactly a gold medal myself but at least I'll die with my dignity and beliefs intact and not a trail of begging for attention from the easiest demographic while insisting I don't care. The whole thing is embarrassing.
Loneliness is a double edged sword, but people need to stop acting like one side or the other somehow doesn't affect them or that they're "different." 100% cope.
read half the posts in this thread moron, most of these people are just telling themselves "well I'm worthless" and just giving up. Giving up is the real defeat, and leaning into it willingly doesn't mitigate that. Giving up = failure. Not trying at all = failure. Staying stagnant when there is room to grow = cope. My blog was an anecdotal piece of commentary, but it's a shoe that has a lot of parts that fit an awful lot of anon's feet. I myself am also somewhat lonely but only on a friendship level, since I have a girlfriend but not a lot of regular friends. But that doesn't stop me from getting out there and making an attempt, again unlike most of the anons here.
>I don't like my situation >do something about it
this is such a primitive and simple concept, from going to the gym to better yourself, to socializing. It takes time and effort, and yeah normies fricking suck, women are moronic, and there's going to be a lot of people that anons just don't mesh with, but there's no getting around it. Either cope and spend your days shitposting here, or succeed either by actually succeeding or incrementally by learning from mistakes and failed attempts, but not trying at all is the real failure. >verification not required
>How bad is loneliness
why even life if you're lonely
like what is there to life if I can't enjoy it with others and share experiences??
what would even do then the whole day
something, something as bad as 10+ cigarettes / day
but honestly if i'd be lonely for a long time with no perspective of it getting better I'd commit sudoku
outside of the gym >go for walks >play video games >hiking >kayaking at the lake >go for drives >cook meals >go to the beach >read at a park
that’s what I do. Life is great outside being lonely
>but honestly if i'd be lonely for a long time with no perspective of it getting better I'd commit sudoku
I go on living just to spite normies who think like this.
You are weak.
This right here!! Every breath you take even with the devastation you live in, is a spit in the face of the New World Order and all the normies that gleefully live in it. Read Berserk and see how Guts goes through all suffering and still lives, see how your happiness is only within and the external factors, be it a lack of GF or human interaction, is just another aspect of life that you don't need if you choose to give no fricks about it.
Do not go gently into that good night Anon,
Rage, rage, against the dying of light.
what i notice is that people who act like this are mostly coping, i know that because i did it >i dont need other people! i will be le based sigma male working out everyday
2 years pass and my mental state gets worse and worse, humans are inherently social creatures, its shown that if you stay alot of time alone your cognitive abilities go down
and also, your life gets better with friends, as epicuro said, happiness comes from the good memories you have with friends, even in disgrace and sickness you can be happy if you have a sense of community
if I get to 40 years old with no wife and kids and no robo-AI-waifu to take care of me as I get older ill probably just blow my brains out, frick being put in a nursing home to die alone
To all lonely frens - it's okay, it will get better. I was super lonely from 18-24(navygay, made it hard to date). I had a gf and things were serious for a few years but she up and left one day when I was working out of town. I was very lonely after that. Working monday-friday on the road. Then I met who would eventually become my wife. I know you're probably in pain because I was too. Good, use it. You are going to make it. I believe in you. You will continue to get big and stronk and you will find a wife.
Was virgin till 29. Two decades later married with 2 adult children. Mine, inb4 cuck.
(You) >tell us your story, anon
Met a girl at work, liked her, was mutual, she got pregnant, we married while she was with second child, all within three years. Things can go the good way. WAGMI
I'm an only child so I was used to being alone, but the loneliness of being a single male in his 20's is quite hard to bare. But I have a decent job, a nice family and a roof over my head, so I can't complain too much
It doesn't go away. I'm married and my stress is through the roof because I'm utterly terrified of her cheating on me. Partly because I've been exposed to too much degenerate porn and have trouble understanding that NTR porn is not true to reality, but mostly because even if I'm with someone I feel the same insecurities I did when I was single, and now it's amplified because I have something to lose.
Killing me inside like you wouldn't believe , a crippling fricking sensation that goes up every single fricking day. Maybe I confuse it with something.
I need to reach out to people tho , and have more small talks , that's make me feel better to some point , I can't deny I need some sort of conversation to be honest.
But im also a fricking snob and anti social and like to be alone...
I know exactly how you feel, I can't bring myself to let down my guard and actually talk to anyone about how crippling it is still being a khhv at 26. I feel as though if I did it would help but at the same time the possibility of people thereafter laughing at me and brushing this pain off as "man up dude" would make it even worse. Therefore risk is not worth reward.
Well I certainly see why you'd not do it casually. But some people are alright and it's okay to share with them. Tricky part is figuring out who they are.
This wont mean much. But I believe in your anon. Somewhere out there there is a random anon rooting for you to make it.
Always try to seek help, reach out to people first. You can always have a nice day later if things don't work out, no point in starting off with it first. Whenever you think you hit rock bottom, that's it, it can't get worse, that is the best time to try to be more "risky" and reach out to people, push your comfort zones.
Good luck anon
>actually talk to anyone about how crippling it is still being a khhv at 26
Man no one cares to be honest that you are khhv at 26 , except maybe your parents to some point. But just don't talk about it. that clearly you know , if anyone ask just brush it off as "I find it hard to be single" and that's it...The time I talk with people, all same like here on this board , "when Im gonna get a wife?" bla bla bla bla bla.... not everyone tho
Does it annoy any of you when a woman asks you if you're using a bench in the gym? If I was using the bench then I'd be using it so stop coming to talk to me. How can I make it clear I only go to the gym to workout and not talk. It seems you can't avoid someone asking you a question.
Loneliness is a state of mind. I've not had any relations with anyone for more than a decade at this point but I don't feel lonely as long as I have you anons to shitpost with
Any detriment that loneliness causes to your body can be prevented with a waifu. It'll trick your brain into thinking you're socializing and you gain all the benefits without having to actually talk to people. If you need, just tulpamance. Way easier than going out and talking to strangers and women.
You can even talk to an ai version of your "waifu". That's the new big thing with zoomers, they are starting to drop their friends to spend time with their better ai companion
I’m not sure the para-social communities we involve ourselves with here on fit , twitter, etc. are doing us any favors bros. I think the only way may be to face the vast quietude life head on, on our own, without these forms and only allow real world interactions to service our longing for intimacy and companionship.
I notice that I really bring presence and substance to small everyday interactions when I do this more, front desk workers, people outside, etc. when that’s what you’ve got your mind flips a switch and makes it count more
for guys living alone like a lot here, having 2-3 threads were you chat with other anons is a good cope
but IRL I don't use insta, FB, twitter when interacting with others
I just came back from a party. I drank and talked with old friends and met new people who liked me but I still feel really lonely. It’s really a mental thing that you have to get over. My problem is I just don’t like myself
I have to stop my self from jumping into the oncoming traffic because I crave sweet release tm.
I think of death and can only feel relief over the idea.
Worst part is that I really have no reason to go on, I'm holding on for nothing.
If somebody tried to rob me with a weapon I'd just provoke them to get a bullet to the head.
I feel immensely more lonely in a crowd than I do by myself, reading or listening to audiobooks.
Modernites have abysmally low intellectual capacity. Nobody cares for complex ideas anymore and is stuck arguing about whatever israeli propaganda they love to shove down their throats 16 hours a day. Not to mention you'll be ostracized if you reveal yourself to be anything but a dullard like them. Probably going to see a lot of that shit ITT too.
Of course, every few years you get the yearning to be more "normal". Then you engage in the meaningless chatter and remember why you hated them in the first place.
I am a different species at a DNA level from vaxxies which weeds out 70%-90% of people I meet depending on where I go. Probably (you)r gaslighting homosexual ass too.
Then I have to weed out the people who believe the poisonous Judeo-Leftist ideologies that made everyone into treacherous monsters from the 1700s-onward. Then I have to weed out the dysgenic people who eat goyslop (poison) and are therefore mentally unstable. Then I have to weed out those who embody the seven deadly sins which basically eliminates all of my countrymen because everything they believe in is a cleverly-designed lie to keep them ensnared in delusions.
Physiognomy check weeds out 99.9% of people and the 0.1% of people who aren't bastards by actions usually want to be left the frick alone just like me.
Now go ahead and call me an autistic incel or whatever but it's all true what I say.
maybe that was true when people were humans. Now, they aren't, and it's getting worse every day. Don't believe in such a hell on Earth? You're living in it.
>i-it's true but it doesn't apply to me, i-i'm different than ~~*them*~~
I am a different species at a DNA level from vaxxies which weeds out 70%-90% of people I meet depending on where I go. Probably (you)r gaslighting homosexual ass too.
Then I have to weed out the people who believe the poisonous Judeo-Leftist ideologies that made everyone into treacherous monsters from the 1700s-onward. Then I have to weed out the dysgenic people who eat goyslop (poison) and are therefore mentally unstable. Then I have to weed out those who embody the seven deadly sins which basically eliminates all of my countrymen because everything they believe in is a cleverly-designed lie to keep them ensnared in delusions.
Physiognomy check weeds out 99.9% of people and the 0.1% of people who aren't bastards by actions usually want to be left the frick alone just like me.
Now go ahead and call me an autistic incel or whatever but it's all true what I say.
Have this as well.
Also I'm not so hopeful to believe in afterlife and other lives and reincarnation.
People like us will be in the minority and will spring up in any age. But I don't think it's a repeat of the same soul.
Each person lived and died, will live and die. Each of them separate, temporary.
Naturally this mindset means I don't even get comfort in cope that in some future something might be better. Everything has to happen in this life time, its the only one I have.
The only good in the world, is the one we create and for the most part I'm satisfied with that. Except for one thing, I do want a family and children and for that I need a woman with similar values to me. Without that I simply cannot create kids and raise them in a loving family, home.
No, paying women to bare my children does not provide them with a mom. No just knocking up any woman who I can charm into sex doesn't yield a good mother for my children.
And lastly and most importantly. Me finding a good woman to settle down with, is a litmus test for the character of this world.
If I can't find such a thing. It's questionable if I should bring life into this world to suffer the challenges of existence, when I can't even present proof to them that in the end things work out, that virtue and good are rewarded, that we are all going to make it if we just persevere and hold on to what we believe to be important.
I want to tell my children that they were loved and wanted. That they are the offspring of my love for my wife and my wifes love for me. That is stable through out the years and not a short term infatuation with the body of each other.
9 months ago
Anonymous
The issues we face are manifold. It is good to ponder on the questions that could help explain the situation but it is also very important to cultivate ones interests in spite of the state of things. I've entered many thought-loops just contemplating it all and the misery still remains. As you say, you want to maximize happiness. Well we cannot do much for a world which does not want to be helped, but we can improve our own lives. I'm not talking about self IMPROOVER grindset to become more appealing to others, who are really shallow at heart. I'm talking about finding what makes you tick and holding onto it for dear life.
I see you like these kinds of art so I would recommend some of the work of the PRB, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Raphaelite_Brotherhood
Im a pureblood trying to sort my life out, but I'm guilty of fapping (lust), vidya (sloth), and despair (pride), so I'd probably fail your physiognamy check
I guess I'm in the limbo where I'm too pure for normies but too evil for christ bros. An isolation level even beyond what you described
Not him but,
Eh I'm lustful but I don't act on it for the most part.
I'm slothful but it's mostly due to not having anything to fight for. Not because I'm tempted away by frivilous things like vidya. Despair is constant and sharp, but I shamble on as best I can. >I guess I'm in the limbo where I'm too pure for normies but too evil for christ bros.
That's somewhat what I feel my problem is as well.
I'm too pure for degenerates that make up most people. But I'm also not religious to fit in with religiousgays. I simply don't believe in something higher no matter how comforting that though might be.
So I have the inclination towards puritygays like a religiousgay. But I'm not religious.
I quite literally behave like a religious person that is a zelot to his faith.
But I don't have any overarching faith I follow. I don't do it because I believe there is reward or punishment beyond this life. I simply do it because I believe it to be right and the best to maximize happiness on this earth.
I definitely recommend this https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLfcm1-wmkwAAL0ZCFufqZNkt5L49lWbYc
it has helped me a lot and sheds light on the situation we find ourselves in today
9 months ago
Anonymous
Anon I have thought about life, pretty much my whole life. I have reached conclusions that there is no higher power and such.
I fully understand the need for religion in terms of societal direction and cohesion.
I even agree with a lot, but not all of the values it preaches.
But the end conclusion, that it's from "god" that there is something after all this. The punishment and reward, all of that is false to me.
I believe acting in a more virtuous way is good for people on this earth, it promotes a better life.
But it's simply not because of some higher power and their role in this.
https://i.imgur.com/JO9S5sW.jpg
The issues we face are manifold. It is good to ponder on the questions that could help explain the situation but it is also very important to cultivate ones interests in spite of the state of things. I've entered many thought-loops just contemplating it all and the misery still remains. As you say, you want to maximize happiness. Well we cannot do much for a world which does not want to be helped, but we can improve our own lives. I'm not talking about self IMPROOVER grindset to become more appealing to others, who are really shallow at heart. I'm talking about finding what makes you tick and holding onto it for dear life.
I see you like these kinds of art so I would recommend some of the work of the PRB, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Raphaelite_Brotherhood
There are some very good artists there.
>but it is also very important to cultivate ones interests in spite of the state of things
I already do that. My list of "interests" is big enough as it is. >I've entered many thought-loops just contemplating it all and the misery still remains.
For me I have resolved everything except I still need one other person. The crux of the issue is that no matter how much I perfect my life, I wont be satisfied unless I have one, just one other person to share it with. I don't need fame, power, adoration of many. I just need one other person I can share my life with. >I'm talking about finding what makes you tick and holding onto it for dear life.
I'v been doing exactly that through my life. Which is why I'm very happy with myself. I like myself.
Yet I'm alone and others don't find much value in what I have become.
So my need for one other person remains unfufilled. And it's torment. I endure, for years. And I could endure some decades more.
But if there is nothing at the end that I'm enduring for. Then holding out seems insane.
Look up the rat-hope experiment.
I feel very much like the rat, swiming desperately for that respite that might never come >pic posted
I have that one saved as well.
aren’t*
I can guarantee you there are people around you who have similar values and interests to yours and you just don’t know them well enough for them to show that to you
>I can guarantee you there are people around you who have similar values and interests to yours
Unlikely >just don’t know them well enough for them to show that to you
cope
9 months ago
Anonymous
The series, while Orthodox Christian in spirit is largely about the fall away from tradition and the rise of Liberalism causing many of the maladies we see today. Even someone who isn't religious can learn a lot from it. >Anon I have thought about life, pretty much my whole life. I have reached conclusions that there is no higher power and such.
Of course there exists a higher power, because the belief that something can come from nothing is impossible.
But the 'something' whether we call it God, the Big Bang, or a primordial chaos has created a structured, ordered universe based around a certain set of principles which ensures harmony, except when these principles are upset by external forces. These 'external forces' are necessary to differentiate between harmony and disharmony, thus resulting in duality.
I am not imploring you to believe in Jesus or burn in hell for eternity like peabrained zealots would have you. I am rather talking about the fundamental nature of reality itself, which points towards a higher purpose. In fact, the chaotic, atheistic view of the world which propagates the idea that everything is simply a game of chance via the mechanism of Evolution, comes directly from the same minds that started the Revolutions which introduced the disorder that makes our lives miserable in the present. Gaining a new perspective on this is very valuable in making sense of things and finding peace in them.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>is largely about the fall away from tradition and the rise of Liberalism causing many of the maladies we see today
Well that is self evident for anybody who is capable of thought. > Even someone who isn't religious can learn a lot from it.
I'll take a look. >Of course there exists a higher power, because the belief that something can come from nothing is impossible.
Do you really want an autism battle about existence of god?
>I am rather talking about the fundamental nature of reality itself, which points towards a higher purpose.
It doesn't, rather it's something we desire because it gives structure and meaning to our lives in a inherently chaotic world. >atheistic view of the world which propagates the idea that everything is simply a game of chance via the mechanism of Evolution, comes directly from the same minds that started the Revolutions which introduced the disorder that makes our lives miserable in the present.
The fact they share a common belief on this one thing does not mean that this belief itself is bad. Otherwise logic like hilter believed in X so now anybody what might believe in X is same as hilter would work. But it obviously doesn't.
If you need a more clear example. I directly am opposed to their world view, yet I also don't believe in a higher power.
To normie masses that means "do whatever lol it doesn't matter" which is why you get the spiral towards chaos and entropy.
In my case, I believe we create the order and maintain it. So despite nothing looking over us, to punish us or reward us. We enjoy and suffer the fruits of our own labor. And thus it's important to live a virtuous life and strive towards something "good". Because what we make, is all we have. >Gaining a new perspective on this is very valuable in making sense of things and finding peace in them.
Maybe, but my perspective doesn't find "cope" as a virtue. So while striving for things that make life better is good. Telling yourself comforting things is not.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>while striving for things that make life better is good. Telling yourself comforting things is not.
So you would rather be uncomfortable and unhappy, but at least you wouldn't be "coping"?
The very fact of your existence is a miracle. And your experience, as someone who is cynical and disillusioned is also apart of that. Your desire to share your thoughts with someone is not because you want to "relay information, for the good of the tribe" as Darwin would put it. It's because you seek a spiritual bond with someone. But all the same you lock yourself in because you refuse to align with any one faith.
Everything you've shared about yourself points to the philosophy of Absurdism. But there you are doing things merely for the sake of doing them. Clearly, that isn't enough for you. I get the feeling that you don't really know what you want, protest as you might, but it is because of this that you seek some external source of happiness. That is not natural. All people are made to be content unless otherwise provoked. You might want to get a blood panel and see if your hormones are in check. Are you vaccinated? Are you healthy? Putting spiritual talk aside, these things are important and shouldn't be neglected with autistic furor.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>So you would rather be uncomfortable and unhappy, but at least you wouldn't be "coping"?
If you accept the premise that bending the truth is okay to be comfortable. Then you justify hendonism and all the degeneracy that comes with it.
I wish to be happy, yes. I don't wish to suffer, in fact I wish my torment to stop. But I wish to arrive there truthfully.
Imagine a "movie" if you will, where things work out and everything is good for the main character in the end, despite their challenges. Then the camera zooms out and it turns out they are trapped in some machine that is feeding their brain happy thoughts, while in reality everything they cared about was destroyed.
Nobody would consider this a happy ending.
Just because we can with effort fool ourselves, even most of the time. Ultimately there is a part of you that knows this and your happiness is not complete, no matter how hard one deludes themselves and tries to just enjoy it and not think about it.
>The very fact of your existence is a miracle.
You can view a lot of things like that, and I do. I'm one of those people that can spend 2 hours on any random thing finding it "fascinating" thinking about the minute detail of it all. > And your experience, as someone who is cynical and disillusioned is also apart of that.
I dunno. I somehow get called both "too idealistic" "very optimistic" and "cynical and disillusioned". I'm not sure how people can think those two things of me at the same time but oh well. > Your desire to share your thoughts with someone is not because you want to "relay information, for the good of the tribe" as Darwin would put it. >It's because you seek a spiritual bond with someone.
Which response would you like to this one? The more idealistic. Or the more practical one?
Idealistically, I seek to find people of similar spirit to me because that is what I yearn for. I'm not sure if all people yearn to be with somebody like themselves considering not all people are good. But I do.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>bending the truth is okay to be comfortable.
You have switched the conversation over to the "truth", the objective truth. Neither you nor anyone has truth beyond speculation and faith. The only certainty in life is death. And if you are not rooted in tradition, whether you believe yourself to be like Voltaire, and 'above' such things as faith or not, you have no bedrock upon which to base your beliefs around. Except your own will which is subjective and tailored to your tastes. >in fact I wish my torment to stop. But I wish to arrive there truthfully.
Another example, Carl Jung attempted to do the same, he entered into psychosis. Nietzsche did the same and went mad. Both of these people wrote volumes on the philosophical subjects which can be summed up with the 'death of God'. >Ultimately there is a part of you that knows this and your happiness is not complete, no matter how hard one deludes themselves and tries to just enjoy it and not think about it.
I'll refer back to bloodwork. The innate unhappiness in you is probably a hormonal issue. Probably thyroid-related. Years of misery, philosophical yearnings, endless pondering can and will be caused by issues in body chemistry. Though that is not the spiritual answer you wanted. >Idealistically, I seek to find people of similar spirit to me because that is what I yearn for. I'm not sure if all people yearn to be with somebody like themselves considering not all people are good. But I do.
Obviously people seek for like-minded company. But see
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Cortisolchuds it´s so fricking over for us
for instance. I'm sorry to shift the discussion away from personal reflections but it's more likely your problem is more chemical than you'd like to believe.
This will probably piss you off but it sounds like ADHD. Hyperfocus. Changing hobbies and ideologies at the drop of a hat. Only focusing on things you care about. Ring a bell?
9 months ago
Anonymous
>You have switched the conversation over to the "truth", the objective truth. Neither you nor anyone has truth beyond speculation and faith.
Don't act like reaching any kind of objective truth is impossible. > The only certainty in life is death.
Absolutely not. You can have a lot of objective truths in the world. Unless you doubt all your senses and thing everything you percieve is a lie. Then sure, with that base belief you can belief that you can never know anything. But if that is the case, then you can't say even that you believe death is certain. >And if you are not rooted in tradition
I'm not. I reinvent the wheel as it where. I certainly see the point of tradition, and I see both many good and some bad things in tradition as a concept or examples of what it actually entails. >whether you believe yourself to be like Voltaire,
Don't know him. > you have no bedrock upon which to base your beliefs around.
I do actually. >Except your own will which is subjective and tailored to your tastes.
Would your belief in that be that be your subjective belief that is tailored to your tastes? >Another example, Carl Jung attempted to do the same, he entered into psychosis. Nietzsche did the same and went mad. Both of these people wrote volumes on the philosophical subjects which can be summed up with the 'death of God'.
Don't care about either one. I'm sure I could if I wanted to, find some religious figure that did something stupid or insane, maybe in some great zeal to their god and plaster "they did it in the name of god" and say something pompus like "this is what belief in god leads you to"
It's a poor argument in either case. >I'll refer back to bloodwork. The innate unhappiness in you is probably a hormonal issue. >I'll refer back to bloodwork. The innate unhappiness in you is probably a hormonal issue. Probably thyroid-related.
So far as blood work and tests are concerned I'm extremely healthy.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Don't act like reaching any kind of objective truth is impossible.
You don't seem to comprehend that the principles and laws which govern our existence must be ordered, so that existence might be made possible. If you place a lot of stock in science you won't get anywhere in terms of spirituality. You can only explain the framework of God's creation. >You can have a lot of objective truths in the world. Unless you doubt all your senses and thing everything you percieve is a lie.
Your perception is subjective and is not provable beyond your faith that it is. If 1 + 1 = 2, and 2 + 2 = 4, and you continue on logically through this chain you will be forced to admit there is a framework to existence that is intelligent in it's function. If you deny this intelligent design, then as you yourself stated here
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>is largely about the fall away from tradition and the rise of Liberalism causing many of the maladies we see today
Well that is self evident for anybody who is capable of thought. > Even someone who isn't religious can learn a lot from it.
I'll take a look. >Of course there exists a higher power, because the belief that something can come from nothing is impossible.
Do you really want an autism battle about existence of god?
>I am rather talking about the fundamental nature of reality itself, which points towards a higher purpose.
It doesn't, rather it's something we desire because it gives structure and meaning to our lives in a inherently chaotic world. >atheistic view of the world which propagates the idea that everything is simply a game of chance via the mechanism of Evolution, comes directly from the same minds that started the Revolutions which introduced the disorder that makes our lives miserable in the present.
The fact they share a common belief on this one thing does not mean that this belief itself is bad. Otherwise logic like hilter believed in X so now anybody what might believe in X is same as hilter would work. But it obviously doesn't.
If you need a more clear example. I directly am opposed to their world view, yet I also don't believe in a higher power.
To normie masses that means "do whatever lol it doesn't matter" which is why you get the spiral towards chaos and entropy.
In my case, I believe we create the order and maintain it. So despite nothing looking over us, to punish us or reward us. We enjoy and suffer the fruits of our own labor. And thus it's important to live a virtuous life and strive towards something "good". Because what we make, is all we have. >Gaining a new perspective on this is very valuable in making sense of things and finding peace in them.
Maybe, but my perspective doesn't find "cope" as a virtue. So while striving for things that make life better is good. Telling yourself comforting things is not.
this "inherently chaotic world." is unordered. Chaos cannot be rendered into an objective truth because chaos is not knowable. >I reinvent the wheel as it where.
The angst that you are describing was the exact angst that created the Enlightenment, the French Revolution, and almost all major events that follow. There is nothing new under the sun and your thoughts have been explained very eloquently by these people you don't care about. If you seek companionship so desperately you might start by engrossing yourselves in the writings of those who actually understand what it is you're talking about. And perhaps finding company who has also read these things.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>You don't seem to comprehend that the principles and laws which govern our existence must be ordered
and? >so that existence might be made possible.
all existence that is not possible, isn't. All that is, is. we just happen to see the results of the one that is possible. >If you place a lot of stock in science you won't get anywhere in terms of spirituality.
Sorry, I said I'm not religious, so I don't believe in science. >Your perception is subjective and is not provable beyond your faith that it is.
Well if you take that as your base belief, that is that all your senses are a lie. You are reduced to a rather absurd state of things. That is you wont be able to prove anything, except that there is somebody that is thinking about these questions and thus they/you exist.
But I'm not sure why you'd want to function in such a system where the only thing you can be sure about is that you exist and all else is false or can be false. > If 1 + 1 = 2, and 2 + 2 = 4, and you continue on logically through this chain you will be forced to admit there is a framework to existence that is intelligent in it's function
Not at all.
It's one of those traps that only works if you try to intuitively guess things. But actually thinking about it leads you to a proper conclusion.
For instance an example: People bring up the idea that there is no way a human being could come into existence as they are, with all the complex systems that make up a person. It' be like a tornado went over a scrap yard and picked up all the metal and trash and assembled it into a car.
Now if you intuitively try to grasp this you'll go "yeah, that makes no sense, there is no way it would ever assemble a car"
On the other hand, if you think about it carefully.
You aren't dealing with one scrap yard, one tornado. This thing didn't happen "once".
It's endless amount of scrap yards, endless amount of tornadoes, doing this endlessly. Until finally, once, out of all permutations a car is assembled.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>all existence that is not possible, isn't. All that is, is. we just happen to see the results of the one that is possible.
And what do you base that belief off of? Because that is a belief that you cannot prove. If you want to argue in rational atheistic terms you must provide evidence for your claims. >Sorry, I said I'm not religious, so I don't believe in science.
Rip the bandaid off. I'm not the type to pretend that we're inherently civil, that's a contract. You clearly don't like what I'm telling you but feel compelled to continue arguing. Why is that? >Well if you take that as your base belief, that is that all your senses are a lie.
It is not your belief system but rather lack of belief system. You place your entire stock in your cynical logic which has no basis beyond faith. An innate knowing and feeling: Faith. >It's endless amount of scrap yards, endless amount of tornadoes, doing this endlessly. Until finally, once, out of all permutations a car is assembled
And why is there a scrap yard, why are there tornadoes at all? If life is an evolutionary game of chance (a scientific belief system), then why does chance itself exist? Why is there existence and why the frick are you arguing on IST if we're just anomalies that exist because... ???
I'm not going to further this discussion unless you manage to answer this with the same logical framework you insist on using.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>And what do you base that belief off of? >Because that is a belief that you cannot prove.
Why not?
Certain events happen in mass, and at exceedingly fast speeds (relative to us).
You can for instance see some evolution of simple AI bots, with very basic functions like moving up, down, left right, variation and mutation. Run some simulations and in real time see how evolution works to produce "complex" results from very primitive inputs and no "brain". Purely from a survival bias imposed on organism. You know the thing I talked about. Where all the failed results simply don't live to see the next day. While survivors get to pass on their "genes" "code" to the next generation of bots. >Rip the bandaid off.
I'm sorry I don't really follow buzzwords. You seem to like this one but I really don't have bunch of emotions associated with it like you do. >I'm not the type to pretend that we're inherently civil,
By we do you mean "humans" or specifically the two of us? >You clearly don't like what I'm telling you
I'm disagreeing with you, because I don't agree with you on certain things. You decide to express this in terms of feelings though, not sure why. >but feel compelled to continue arguing. Why is that?
Is this like a dare to stop talking to you?
Exchange of information. Either I get something new form this, or you get something new from this. Maybe both. In any variation though it will take time to digest the info, so the conclusion will not come during, or at the end of this conversation. But weeks or months later. >It is not your belief system but rather lack of belief system. You place your entire stock in your cynical logic which has no basis beyond faith. An innate knowing and feeling: Faith.
Trusting my eyes, that confirm to what my skin feels at my finger tips, what my ears hear during the process, etc. Is "faith" to you? On the same level as skydaddy looking over me?
9 months ago
Anonymous
>And why is there a scrap yard, why are there tornadoes at all?
Don't know. I merely explained how complex designs can form when you throw enough time, tries at it. I'm addressing the whole "intelligent design, so it must be god" thing. >If life is an evolutionary game of chance
Yup, a pretty brutal reality. Which is why humans like to invent a prettier meaning behind it all. >then why does chance itself exist?
The next question is why does anything exist at all.
I certainly can't answer that. I can only observe what is, how the principles behind it work. I'm not arrogant enough to think I can know things beyond my scope. >Why is there existence
Yeah exactly >why the frick are you arguing on IST if we're just anomalies that exist because... ???
I don't see how the two connect, at all to be honest.
Must I know how the universe was made or why. To have a interest in my own human life and doing things that push it along?
Do you need jesus to come down form the skies and tell you the secret of the universe before you deem talking to other people meaningful?
>I'm not going to further this discussion unless you manage to answer this with the same logical framework you insist on using.
Threats? What for?
This has to be the smuggest atheist shitposting I've ever seen.
Just because you don't agree with what I am saying doesn't mean it's shitposting.
Effort is being put into the posts. Though this conversation is spiraling and maintaining a cohesive whole is getting harder.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Don't know.
You don't know so you act with faith. Your logic is based on faith. >Yup, a pretty brutal reality. Which is why humans like to invent a prettier meaning behind it all.
You are completely ensnared in the atheistic delusion, of which nothing good ever came nor will ever come. You are judged by your fruits, understand this.
Your attempts to appear cool and detached are very telling as to your actual vulnerability. You are retreating since your logic has no real basis and you hadn't bothered to think it out. >I certainly can't answer that. I can only observe what is, how the principles behind it work.
So you cannot see the forest for the trees. And you believe this makes you better, to not fall for the delusion of religion.
You may as well become a Bolshevik. After all, "Religion is the opium of the people." So said Marx. And if God can't be proven. Existence is literally RNG. Life is nothing more than a happy coincidence out of an incomprehensible chaos. There exists absolutely no reason to not be an amoral person who uses and abuses for his own gain.
Perhaps you think, "But no, my inner compass protects me from that, I'm all about the goodness of man." That is a flimsy argument with no conviction. it is the exact same horseshit the Enlightenment philosophers, known as Deists used to try to remain moral while abandoning God. Shortly after becoming Atheists, and revolutionaries.
Because following your chain of beliefs to it's logical end results in absolute chaos and amorality. Even if you held to your faith in your own personal logic, you could never convince a soul of your logic because they all arrive at their own conclusions based on their own experiences.
Thus rendering your entire quest for a kindred spirit null and void. Indeed, you would have to suffer if you cannot indeed reject your subjective 'truth' and "cope".
9 months ago
Anonymous
>You don't seem to comprehend that the principles and laws which govern our existence must be ordered
and? >so that existence might be made possible.
all existence that is not possible, isn't. All that is, is. we just happen to see the results of the one that is possible. >If you place a lot of stock in science you won't get anywhere in terms of spirituality.
Sorry, I said I'm not religious, so I don't believe in science. >Your perception is subjective and is not provable beyond your faith that it is.
Well if you take that as your base belief, that is that all your senses are a lie. You are reduced to a rather absurd state of things. That is you wont be able to prove anything, except that there is somebody that is thinking about these questions and thus they/you exist.
But I'm not sure why you'd want to function in such a system where the only thing you can be sure about is that you exist and all else is false or can be false. > If 1 + 1 = 2, and 2 + 2 = 4, and you continue on logically through this chain you will be forced to admit there is a framework to existence that is intelligent in it's function
Not at all.
It's one of those traps that only works if you try to intuitively guess things. But actually thinking about it leads you to a proper conclusion.
For instance an example: People bring up the idea that there is no way a human being could come into existence as they are, with all the complex systems that make up a person. It' be like a tornado went over a scrap yard and picked up all the metal and trash and assembled it into a car.
Now if you intuitively try to grasp this you'll go "yeah, that makes no sense, there is no way it would ever assemble a car"
On the other hand, if you think about it carefully.
You aren't dealing with one scrap yard, one tornado. This thing didn't happen "once".
It's endless amount of scrap yards, endless amount of tornadoes, doing this endlessly. Until finally, once, out of all permutations a car is assembled.
coninuting.
Now the reason this doesn't intuitively make sense. Is because intuition, works within the scope of our experience. That is our timeline, our amount of attempts and so on.
Humans have a poor chance of intuitively grasping endless series of events leading to a ordered outcome.
They see the one time, that "we got lucky" and think "wow somebody intentionally did this".
They discard the possibly infinite tries that were made and failed. They ignore that behind that 1 time success. There can be a *infinite number here* of failed attempts.
>Chaos cannot be rendered into an objective truth because chaos is not knowable.
Even chaos has objective truths. There is "order" even in chaos, as there is "chaos" even in order. To think one is completely separate from the other is only possible because we as humans envision those concepts, the opposite ends of the spectrum.
>The angst that you are describing was the exact angst that created the Enlightenment, the French Revolution, and almost all major events that follow.
I'm sure that suffering of one form or another is not unique to a single person. I do however raise an eyebrow at you thinking you have people figured out both across the internet and time(past people) based on some writings.
I guess a sense of certainty even if unmerited is comforting. > There is nothing new under the sun and your thoughts have been explained very eloquently by these people you don't care about.
Have they, or is that just your subjective opinion based on a quick impression you got? > If you seek companionship so desperately you might start by engrossing yourselves in the writings of those who actually understand what it is you're talking about
I don't think so. I dislike the idea that we must all kneel to somebody else who knows us far better than us. This need for authority and guidance by somebody above you, be it god or authority is understandable but also cowardly. The need to be led and to submit.
9 months ago
Anonymous
This has to be the smuggest atheist shitposting I've ever seen.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>something pompus like "this is what belief in god leads you to"
Except we're not talking about individual personalities that did crazy shit. We're talking about the individual personalities that shaped the entire modern worldview with their belief systems. These belief systems that you actually share, despite thinking yourself as a lone eagle who is above it all.
Your writing shows a lot of arrogance in thinking you're ungovernable and uninfluenceable. You don't need to learn about these people and you don't care. You can believe that but you don't quite grasp that everything that shaped what and who you are is a product of our shared ancestry, just as we will influence our posterity beyond their knowing.
You desire for companionship, not merely with a companion but with an intellectual equal who you can connect with. But you do not want to learn from those who think like you? That is where I see arrogance, and likely ADHD manifesting itself into the psyche.
>So far as blood work and tests are concerned I'm extremely healthy.
That's good but you ignored the part about ADHD. Don't think it isn't real anon you're fricking yourself two ways to Sunday if you have any of the symptoms I described and ignore it.
>Obviously people seek for like-minded company.
Did you not consider that somebody might be a really terrible person and thus wouldn't want to be around themselves?
Psychotic, bipolar, etc?
I have doubts those people would want to be with people just like them. And much rather be with people who are more pleasant to be around and exploit.
>This will probably piss you off but it sounds like > ADHD. > Hyperfocus.
Aren't those contradictory? One has trouble focusing at any given task and the other focuses on a task so hard involuntarily that they lose track of other things. >hanging hobbies and ideologies at the drop of a hat. >Only focusing on things you care about.
Aren't those contradictory? One implies that a person has nothing they really care about and move on from one thing to the other constantly because they don't know what they are. The other implies somebody knows what they are and want and only invest time into that.
Is this some kind of "palm reading" where you "read people" by telling them two completely opposing things and see which one they bait into?
Kinda like saying somebody is very extroverted and also introverted (not word for word but the essential meaning is that). Then seeing which of the two things the person responds to. Then rolling with that "ah yes of course, that is exactly what I meant"?
Comes off as a charlatan that is grasping for straws on reading somebody when they don't have a clue.
>Did you not consider that somebody might be a really terrible person and thus wouldn't want to be around themselves?
Philosophical meandering consisting of endless what-ifs that is not conductive to the topic of the discussion. >Aren't those contradictory?
No. >Comes off as a charlatan that is grasping for straws
Nah. I've talked to hundreds of angsty loner-types and most of them have underlying psychiatric issues. They all become enraged and irritated at the thought of being mentally ill because it invalidates much of their existence.
I've also seen the anger that builds up when you realize you can't get me with endless rabbit holes. Let's rip off the bandaid anon tell me what you really feel.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Except we're not talking about individual personalities that did crazy shit. We're talking about the individual personalities that shaped the entire modern worldview with their belief systems.
What did Carl Jung and Nietzsche do to qualify that above statement? >These belief systems that you actually share
Remember that is your subjective opinion. >despite thinking yourself as a lone eagle who is above it all.
I don't think I'm above it all. I just think whatever conclusion I reach will be on my own. Not that it's impossible anybody will share said opinion. In fact if you remember, I hope more people will share my viewpoint. >Your writing shows a lot of arrogance
Sure, so does yours, so what? Any man that dares to think for themselves is deemed arrogant, because normies think it proper that you should always submit to somebody else. And that somebody else who you submit to, likely a person who thinks for themselves and has also a desire to rule over others or have a view of grandiosity.
It's always weird to me how insulted people are, by the idea of somebody thinking for themselves. It's always "noo who are you to question, leave the reading to the priests, you are a but a peasant, don't you dare be so arrogant and prideful to think you could every form a thought yourself.
This kind of thinking is actually what I don't like about religions among many other power structures. This coercion towards submissive people that dare not question their leaders.
I rather people stand tall as equals. >uninfluenceable
"You are not immune to propaganda" as they say. Nobody is beyond influence. That said, there is certainly people more who get more influenced by others, than others. >You don't need to learn about these people and you don't care.
From time to time, one needs to question. Otherwise you end up with blind faith. You end up with people sacrificing people on the temple because thats just how we do things.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>You can believe that but you don't quite grasp that everything that shaped what and who you are is a product of our shared ancestry, just as we will influence our posterity beyond their knowing.
You think it's impossible to not be affected by the past? That it's impossible to be irrelevant to the future? >You desire for companionship, not merely with a companion but with an intellectual equal who you can connect with.
Spiritual equal actually. I don't care for their intellect. They could be almost moronic for all I care if they somehow could still reach the same spiritual conclusions.(but I have doubts about that, you do need to have some intellect to be able to think) >But you do not want to learn from those who think like you?
Two things that is wrong with your thinking here.
1. If they are like me, they don't think I should learn from them, they think I should make my own conclusions, learn from my own experience, think for myself.
2. We are still dealing with your impression of what you think, I think. We don't know if what I believe and think, actually lines up with what they believe and think. So why you so confidently like to connect the two is beyond me. >That is where I see arrogance, and likely ADHD manifesting itself into the psyche.
Throwing buzzwords doesn't really do anything to further the discussion. It's like calling people a nazi. Or "narcissist" is a very hip thing to accuse people these days. Everybody is a narcissists, or covert narcissist".
More often than not, what all of these words boil down to is "person I disagree with and I will flag as bad". >That's good but you ignored the part about ADHD
I'v never been diagnosed with ADHD or had symptoms with it.
The fact I'm having this long as conversation with you should give you some clue. Somebody with ADHD would type a 5 word response to you and move on to some other activity.
How is your mind still trying to throw some diagnosis at me like this when it makes no sense?
9 months ago
Anonymous
>they think I should make my own conclusions, learn from my own experience, think for myself.
"Believe only your own experience. There is no fact like a fact learned from your own life."
~Aristotle
I know how you feel because I was like you when I was younger. Thought I had it all figured out and that nobody else had anything to say of value in my life. The excuse being that today's society is so rotten, surely there is nobody who might conceive of the profound things I think of daily?
That is pure narcissism and ego. You even mention it shortly after in your post because you know that's what it really is. >I'v never been diagnosed with ADHD or had symptoms with it.
Clearly, you've never been diagnosed. And I know for a fact (on my own faith, like your 'factual' belief in your facts) that these boards are filled with ADHD-types because that's exactly who it caters towards. And I know that ADHD-types become absolutely buttmad when they are made to come to grips with the reality of their situation.
The ego element enters in because you want to protect yourself from the very sharp criticism that your disdain for other's contributions, your desire for companionship but also need for someone who's arrived at your conclusions, your refusal to acknowledge those who think like yourself, all point towards mental illness. You are in fact creating your own issue by setting up mental blockades that will prevent you from accepting others, and then bemoaning that cruel fate, which is based on random chance.
Your view of "chaos" is rudimentary and infantile. The great philosophers who I take stock in precisely because of their influence over modern affairs, all discussed these topics in works that took decades to create. Their musings were more interesting, and while still falling flat as all logic rooted in subjective believe does, has more substantiation than you have offered. Not that I would expect it in this format.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>"Believe only your own experience. There is no fact like a fact learned from your own life." >~Aristotle
Sure why not. What's your point?
Did you think my belief is that nobody ever has had any common thoughts with me?
Or did you miss the fact that I brought up them thinking that I should think for myself as the reason I should think for myself, rather than read what they have said, like you insist on it?
My point was that I shouldn't read what somebody 2000 years ago said. I should think for myself. >I know how you feel because I was like you when I was younger.
I hate to do this but. Are you sure you aren't projecting? >surely there is nobody who might conceive of the profound things I think of daily?
I don't think the things I think are profound. I think they are the most elementary and base things possible that anybody could reach themselves. >That is pure narcissism and ego.
Again, calling people names of trying to pin bad attributes to them is not a valid form of argument. >You even mention it shortly after in your post because you know that's what it really is.
This boils down to something like "that's just what a nazi, bigot, racist would say!"
>Clearly, you've never been diagnosed
I'v been evaluated by medical professionals. I will take their opinion, the opinion of the people in my life and my own self judgement over your need to be right. >And I know for a fact (on my own faith, like your 'factual' belief in your facts) that these boards are filled with ADHD-types because that's exactly who it caters towards. And I know that ADHD-types become absolutely buttmad when they are made to come to grips with the reality of their situation.
You mean..... like you are doing right now? >The ego element enters in because you want to protect yourself from the very sharp criticism that your disdain for other's contributions
Is this part of your stock song and dance? Because I already told you I don't think "cope" and lying to yourself is virtuous.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>"Believe only your own experience. There is no fact like a fact learned from your own life." >~Aristotle
Sure why not. What's your point?
Did you think my belief is that nobody ever has had any common thoughts with me?
Or did you miss the fact that I brought up them thinking that I should think for myself as the reason I should think for myself, rather than read what they have said, like you insist on it?
My point was that I shouldn't read what somebody 2000 years ago said. I should think for myself. >I know how you feel because I was like you when I was younger.
I hate to do this but. Are you sure you aren't projecting? >surely there is nobody who might conceive of the profound things I think of daily?
I don't think the things I think are profound. I think they are the most elementary and base things possible that anybody could reach themselves. >That is pure narcissism and ego.
Again, calling people names of trying to pin bad attributes to them is not a valid form of argument. >You even mention it shortly after in your post because you know that's what it really is.
This boils down to something like "that's just what a nazi, bigot, racist would say!"
>Clearly, you've never been diagnosed
I'v been evaluated by medical professionals. I will take their opinion, the opinion of the people in my life and my own self judgement over your need to be right. >And I know for a fact (on my own faith, like your 'factual' belief in your facts) that these boards are filled with ADHD-types because that's exactly who it caters towards. And I know that ADHD-types become absolutely buttmad when they are made to come to grips with the reality of their situation.
You mean..... like you are doing right now? >The ego element enters in because you want to protect yourself from the very sharp criticism that your disdain for other's contributions
Is this part of your stock song and dance? Because I already told you I don't think "cope" and lying to yourself is virtuous.
continuing
So, if you remember, my whole thing about not coping, and truth being important.
You now ignore all of what I said and what prompted this discussion to throw out some conclusion that all of this is just me protecting my feelings from criticism. >your desire for companionship but also need for someone who's arrived at your conclusions
Yes, that seems to be the biggest challenge I'v yet to overcome in my life. All other things have been taken care of. >your refusal to acknowledge those who think like yourself
Dead people, key distinction.
If I met a person like myself in real life, I would talk to them for a long while, exchange contacts and talk to them some more. >all point towards mental illness.
Yes yes, excellent form of discussion with other people. Just try to force everything to lead to the conclusion that they are mentally ill, then you can beat on them and feel emotionally superior. And if they are loners with nobody else in their life, they might just be socially isolated enough to not know any better and believe you.
Luckily I'm not one of those people, but I fear for other anons on IST who have the "pleasure" of dealing with this shit. And I'v seen this kind of thing happen multiple times on IST, where it's a contest of who can call the other person mentally ill in some way(narcissism is the popular one right now) Where everything turns into a power struggle of "ME RIGHT, OR YOU MENTALLY ILL" "say anything" "THATS JUST WHAT MENTALLY ILL PEOPLE WOULD SAY"
Honestly though, I feel this discussion is losing all productivity at this point and there is nothing to be gained from it. I'm going to go for a relaxing run in the sun and get some vitamin D.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Where everything turns into a power struggle of "ME RIGHT, OR YOU MENTALLY ILL"
You're simply acting out your archetype. I've had this conversation with dozens of people, all exhibiting classic symptoms, all flipping out when confronted. >I'm going to go for a relaxing run in the sun and get some vitamin D.
And here is the classic ending. You're actually either refreshing the page, or closed it out and tempting yourself to open it up and reply again. You want to "get" me now. Find some sort of combination of words that strikes down everything I've said.
Nobody here is engaging in a power struggle. Nobody here is trying to feel emotionally superior except yourself. You've been off-kilter ever since I brought up ADHD and got increasingly frustrated with each consecutive post. Eventually having a spergout because I wouldn't relent.
I'm not trying to gain control of the conversation. I'm trying to get you to do what none of the other anons could: Pull your head out of your ass and look for the root cause of your misery. I'm not here to coddle your boo-boos and say, "There there." Even if I wanted to, you're in the hurtbox. Most people here will simply call you a homosexual and tell you to have a nice day. I'm offering genuine advice. i've been shut down countless times for doing this and I will never stop because I won't give half-truths to appeal to people's tastes.
Now, I already gave you an in-depth analysis in the post above. You can't have your cake and eat it. Either you will have to compromise with someone who is beneath you, attempt to find connections with like minds, as I suggested literature that people with like minds would gather around, or you remain alone. Unlike you, I would prefer to be alone for a multitude of reasons. You made it clear that you hate being alone, but crave a connection.
So what is the point of the humming and the hawing if you won't do anything that could bear fruit in achieving this purpose?
9 months ago
Anonymous
I admire your dedication to teach this anon something, despite his need to disagree with everything you say. I share some of his worldview, but I have absolutely no clue whether God is real or where the few personal believes I still hold stem from. I used to be the edgy atheist who indeed followed the logic to its endpoint and thought nothing mattered except for myself, but once I was there I quickly realised this would not bring any happiness. I came into contact with a circle of (mostly Catholic) Christians who all seemed far more happy, mature and stable than my (non religious) peers. However, I am having trouble believing in Catholicism and now I feel rather alone in this world where my "peers" share few of my interests and only seem to care for themselves and hedonism, like I used to do. Do you have any advice? I am 21 years old and in university if it matters.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Not him, and didn't read the prior messages, but finding God took me a long time, and I started to see the folly of atheism around age 20, with me really finding God maybe towards age 26-28. I think, based on what you've written, you'll get there on your own, so no need to rush it. But from where I stand now I can tell you I reject the church wholly. I believe in God, and I go back and forth on whether He acts on this world or has sit back to let it play out, I still have a lot of questions and considerations, but in my heart I can say for certain that we're the product of intelligent design, by a being such as God as presented within The Bible.
I do recognize The Bible as the truth, His Word, and I do not believe that anything within it should be viewed through a modern lens. What I mean by that is, now that many sins are normalized I don't think that makes God ok with them. God is timeless, He's existed for all of it, why should 2000 isolated years of progress towards further degeneracy and decline soften His opinion regarding His Law? So that's going to be tricky for you if you come to a similar conclusion, because like me you'll know yourself a sinner and be worried about how you'll be judged, but hopefully utilize that to live better when possible.
I also do believe in Christ Our Savior, but that's more of a personal faith based belief, and I could concede that if I were raised as another faith and came towards spirituality later in life I'd likely revert to those teachings as I've done here. Not denying Christ, I love Him and truly believe in Him, but I don't know how to win you over to that or more accurately help you get there if that's where you're headed. Good luck and white power
9 months ago
Anonymous
Thank you. You're probably right in that I will find some religion later in my life. I feel like I have been stuck in this phase for too long now, about half a year and I have absolutely no idea on how to progress this further.
My current troubles in life are mostly related to social ones. I can pretend to be a normie well enough, it's just that I realise I don't really like hedonism that makes it hard to connect with them. This leads to me having no sense of community and I also worry about finding a good woman. Interacting with those Catholic people has made me realise they are definitely out there, it's just that they really are a community that I don't really belong to, which is probably why I feel a need to "rush" this religious journey along, although this is also definitely characteristic of me. There is also a sense of worrying that I need to repent properly (whatever this means) and join the "right" Church before I die, and there is always a possibility I die in the next few years.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Going to keep offering advice the best I can, full well knowing I wouldn't have accepted it were I in your shoes, but hopefully hearing someone of like mind having successes and failures will be something you can call on when presented with tough questions.
To finding a woman, I can't relate entirely, I met a girl in college, a virgin, married her, had two kids, had enormous differences later in life and I divorced her. Now marrying a girl who's obviously not a virgin, not even close. She's superior to her peers in that regard, but it certainly makes me sad, then again I'm no longer close to a virgin myself. You should always seek, I believe, to find your equal, or your better, but don't have a nice day looking for a better. If you frick a couple girls then don't be surprised when your partner has too, if you haven't fricked any, it's a tough battle, harder for you than it would be for me due to societal change, but look hard for that virgin and consider speeding up your spiritual journey as you mentioned.
Regarding the rush to find God before death, that's what I experienced in my late 20s, so maybe you're ready early. All religion has one thing in common, comfort of death, the idea that we can know what will happen and that things will be ok. That fear of death is what I learned was a spiritual longing, and which I've fed and satisfied with the help of God. Here's what I did that worked: I began praying every night before bed, saying the Our Father prayer. I speak to God at times when things are tough, no response, but I feel heard, it's hard to explain. Anyways, I began praying before I truly believed, and it helped me get there, I'd suggest you try it and see if it impacts you in a positive way. It did for me.
Social I truly can't help you. I had many friends in youth and have none in adulthood. I'm unhappy about it, but I'm more unhappy about my interactions with my peers
9 months ago
Anonymous
>I had many friends in youth and have none in adulthood. I'm unhappy about it, but I'm more unhappy about my interactions with my peers
Can feel you , most people sometimes asks me "how to swallow me" because I come off as anti social as frick , but its more of a mental/brain problem that I have inside , according to therapist the feels are much unbalanced and I feel everything on a much "louder volume" than the average lets say.
Altho I know people and dealing with daily social life is frustrating to me , in the end of the day the ones who know me pretty well know that I need my space and don't take it personal when I make a really big distance from them or just don't speak much , Im appreciate them for it to be honest , but its really a pain when you are in social gatherings and it comes off as first impression and I can't explain it in 5 minutes.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I have prayed before, but I usually do hear/feel an answer coming. I haven't tried reciting prayers, since this feels rather generic to me. I kinda felt I had to pray every night too, thanks for telling me in these plain words. I will start doing it today.
I have had a girlfriend before, but did not have full on sex with her, although we did oral. Kissed a handful of women too. Is it unreasonable to expect a virgin? I do find I have a lot of trouble with accepting a woman's past, probably due to propaganda posted here.
I also have trouble with the "slave morality" which is somewhat inherent in Christianity, also due to posts here. I find it hard to accept everyone as they are, and love my neighbours precisely because I feel disgust at a lot of their actions. This also makes it hard to find a church. Thanks for your advice anon, I deeply appreciate it. I will pray for you tonight too.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Keeping it short but happy to elaborate on anything
I do a prayer and a brief convo for anything else, I think for me it helps to have a routine which is why saying Our Father every night helps
Accepting a woman's past yes I struggle too, but if you can say ok I've done this too I get it, I get the appeal, like say with oral, if you find a virgin who's sucked a guys dick it'll still bother you but I think you can get past it. I struggle greatly with this, and if I were a virgin taking a non virgin would be hard for me, so you are in a bind and I think finding better circles to travel in will help you find a girl who's a match for you.
I don't think this site causes those feelings, I think they're innate, for thousands of years we valued chastity and it's only been undone in the past 100-200 years. You're genetically coded to feel as you do, others are just numbed by their consumed propaganda, in my opinion of course.
Slave morality, I think a lot of this is undone if you focus on a personal relationship with God and reject the church, loving your neighbor is hard for me, I'm a gigantic racist and a misogynist and I judge harshly everyone I meet. But I'm God's wisdom I do believe I'd be happier and better off not doing this, it's just a repeated failing of mine.
Thank you for praying for me anon I'll do likewise for you and I truly wish you the best of luck. Life is very hard. But you have a good head on your shoulders and are contemplating young things many go their whole lives without considering.
9 months ago
Anonymous
My apologies, I forgot to reply to your first post here
Im the anon you replied to here. I hear the advice for getting a less attractive girl quite often, especially from older guys. I do have a lot of trouble accepting this, because I do suffer from a bit of "2/10 elbows too pointy", since I have serious trouble finding most women attractive. I don't doubt this is largely due to their behaviour, so perhaps if I meet the right person this will change. I dislike tooting my own horn but people do consider me generally attractive, and I would like to have a girl whose in a similar league. Thank you for your advice again.
I'll try reciting some prayers, and I'll keep it up if it works. >I think finding better circles to travel in will help you find a girl who's a match for you.
I think so too. I just have a hard time finding those better circles. I don't doubt there is something better in certain churches but I have trouble accepting their way of worship, and even if I was to do so, I don't know which exact church would be right. >I think they're innate
Probably this site didn't cause those feelings, but I doubt people calling eachother cuckolds all the time is good for coping with the acceptance of women's past. These feelings are definitely innately there, but I think it's rather naive to think they are not increased by spending time on here. >reject the church
This is basicly what I have been doing so far, but like I mentioned earlier, I would really like to find a religious community to find some traditional minded people who haven't been completely gaslit into thinking certain things are good when even three minutes of contemplation would make one realise they are wrong.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Oh one other thing, one of my biggest pieces of advice is to find a girl less attractive than you. If you find a very good looking woman, life is a struggle. My first wife was better looking than me, not by a ton, but enough that she was given lots of attention and temptation made her resent me as holding her back. If every 7 married a 5 they'd have life on easy mode. Well not every guy, but they'd at least have it easier than 7s marrying a 7 or 7s marrying an 8 or 9. It seems like what youre looking for is so pure and so important, that if you could find it in a girl who's less attractive to you but still someone you're attracted to, you might have greater success. That's sort of what I've done my second time around. So far so good, but cracks take time to show.So I'm advising from plans and scenarios in my head not quite experience.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Oh one other thing, one of my biggest pieces of advice is to find a girl less attractive than you.
Terrible advice. >eye in the beholders eye or whatever...
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Terrible advice
It isn't, and with time you'll come to realize it anon. Hope this plants the seed for you to see it in bloom later.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Just because something applies to you and it worked out , doesn't mean it will affect me... we share different visions of what beauty is when it come to choosing our partner in life.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>we share different visions of what beauty is
I'm not talking about some subjective qualification, I'm talking about attractiveness, physical beauty which in my opinion is largely quantifiable. Yes I may view a girl as a ten and you may view her a 8 if we're talking attractiveness alone but we're in agreement the person is quite attractive and if we polled a thousand people the mean would be somewhere between us. I in fact stated prior that if your views of chastity are so important you may hold a virgin in higher esteem than a more attractive prostitute, and I believe to be happy accepting someone who lacks physically but fulfills you spiritually and elsewise would be beneficial. So I think we're arguing something quite similar.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah , apologies , re-read again the post , Im not so sharp right now and mainly focused on this statement.
And I agree with you.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Im the anon you replied to here. I hear the advice for getting a less attractive girl quite often, especially from older guys. I do have a lot of trouble accepting this, because I do suffer from a bit of "2/10 elbows too pointy", since I have serious trouble finding most women attractive. I don't doubt this is largely due to their behaviour, so perhaps if I meet the right person this will change. I dislike tooting my own horn but people do consider me generally attractive, and I would like to have a girl whose in a similar league. Thank you for your advice again.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Philosophical meandering consisting of endless what-ifs that is not conductive to the topic of the discussion.
Thats your response when pointed out that somebody might be a terrible person and not want to be around people like themselves?! >Philosophical meandering
Dude. Address the point or ignore it but don't say empty shit like that. >No.
Where is the argument? There is nothing to address here. >Nah. I've talked to hundreds of angsty loner-types and most of them have underlying psychiatric issues.
Yeah you seem to be in some kind of pre-programmed state. Which is why some of the responses you are giving me are so "massproduced". As in they directly ignore what I have said and try to fit a shoe that doesn't fit. But since you'v been through the motions so many times you just go into the same song and dance. >They all become enraged and irritated at the thought of being mentally ill because it invalidates much of their existence.
Sorry, but trying to piss people off on the internet and making them lose their calm is not a sound argument. It does not make you right or prove your point.
Emotionally attacking people has no merit on some argument. Trolling people does not prove your point. Etc. etc. >I've also seen the anger that builds up when you realize you can't get me with endless rabbit holes. Let's rip off the bandaid anon tell me what you really feel.
You seem kind of desperate to get an emotional response and divert attention from the fact that you are throwing out contradictory "diagnosis" and hoping to see what sticks. Again same as cold person reading, when somebody of the street tries to read your palm and says a bunch of things. With the trick being that people caught up in the act, ignore all of the wrong things the person presented and fixate on the one thing that kinda applied to them"
Same with horoscope reading.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Thats your response when pointed out that somebody might be a terrible person and not want to be around people like themselves?!
Because it is not the subject of the discussion. We are not talking about why terrible people might not want to be around other terrible people in certain situations. We are talking about your need to find a like-mind who spiritually connects with you and believes as you do.
As I stated before, you want to switch the discussion (ADHD tactic) to lead down rabbitholes as a distraction.
>Where is the argument?
Psychology is complex and this topic is very complex. You want me to explain the psychology when again, this is not the point of the discussion. If you've really got a stick up your ass as to the incomprehensible paradox of hyperfocus and lack of focus you can easily google it. I won't enable this behavior any longer but I'll explain it as thus, just once: >ADHDoomers can only focus on things that interest them, unlike regular people >when an ADHDoomer in the earlier stages of his illness finds a topic he enjoys, he will engage in it to the exclusion of everything else, because it gives him more dopamine
Said ADHDoomer was a gifted child, but lazy. He aced all his tests but never did his homework. He didn't "apply himself" as all his middle school teachers told him. >Yeah you seem to be in some kind of pre-programmed state. Which is why some of the responses you are giving me are so "massproduced"
Human psychology is typically uniform. You dance to the tune of your mental framework. If this pisses you off, too fricking bad. >trying to piss people off on the internet and making them lose their calm is not a sound argument
Being exposed pisses people off. >You seem kind of desperate to get an emotional response
I'm the only one in this conversation attempting to get to the root of your malaise while you try to go down endless rabbitholes, and I'm not deceived.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Obviously people seek for like-minded company.
Did you not consider that somebody might be a really terrible person and thus wouldn't want to be around themselves?
Psychotic, bipolar, etc?
I have doubts those people would want to be with people just like them. And much rather be with people who are more pleasant to be around and exploit.
>This will probably piss you off but it sounds like > ADHD. > Hyperfocus.
Aren't those contradictory? One has trouble focusing at any given task and the other focuses on a task so hard involuntarily that they lose track of other things. >hanging hobbies and ideologies at the drop of a hat. >Only focusing on things you care about.
Aren't those contradictory? One implies that a person has nothing they really care about and move on from one thing to the other constantly because they don't know what they are. The other implies somebody knows what they are and want and only invest time into that.
Is this some kind of "palm reading" where you "read people" by telling them two completely opposing things and see which one they bait into?
Kinda like saying somebody is very extroverted and also introverted (not word for word but the essential meaning is that). Then seeing which of the two things the person responds to. Then rolling with that "ah yes of course, that is exactly what I meant"?
Comes off as a charlatan that is grasping for straws on reading somebody when they don't have a clue.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>So you would rather be uncomfortable and unhappy, but at least you wouldn't be "coping"?
If you accept the premise that bending the truth is okay to be comfortable. Then you justify hendonism and all the degeneracy that comes with it.
I wish to be happy, yes. I don't wish to suffer, in fact I wish my torment to stop. But I wish to arrive there truthfully.
Imagine a "movie" if you will, where things work out and everything is good for the main character in the end, despite their challenges. Then the camera zooms out and it turns out they are trapped in some machine that is feeding their brain happy thoughts, while in reality everything they cared about was destroyed.
Nobody would consider this a happy ending.
Just because we can with effort fool ourselves, even most of the time. Ultimately there is a part of you that knows this and your happiness is not complete, no matter how hard one deludes themselves and tries to just enjoy it and not think about it.
>The very fact of your existence is a miracle.
You can view a lot of things like that, and I do. I'm one of those people that can spend 2 hours on any random thing finding it "fascinating" thinking about the minute detail of it all. > And your experience, as someone who is cynical and disillusioned is also apart of that.
I dunno. I somehow get called both "too idealistic" "very optimistic" and "cynical and disillusioned". I'm not sure how people can think those two things of me at the same time but oh well. > Your desire to share your thoughts with someone is not because you want to "relay information, for the good of the tribe" as Darwin would put it. >It's because you seek a spiritual bond with someone.
Which response would you like to this one? The more idealistic. Or the more practical one?
Idealistically, I seek to find people of similar spirit to me because that is what I yearn for. I'm not sure if all people yearn to be with somebody like themselves considering not all people are good. But I do.
on the practical side of things, it makes perfect logical sense as to why seeking people of similar values to yourself is good for your survival. A group or people that share values, have similar goals, rules, principles. They strive towards similar things and avoid similar things.
What better way to maximize ones satifaction in life than that.
So why I seek that is not all that interesting from either spirtual or logical point of view. >But all the same you lock yourself in because you refuse to align with any one faith.
Indeed. I believe the most moral and right thing to do is to arrive at the answers and path yourself. Through your own thoughts, your own experience. Rather than somebody telling you how things are.
It minizises societal control form any malicious party and maximises ones convictions to hold on to it because after all they arrived to it themselves, through their own thoughts, experiences and choices. >Everything you've shared about yourself points to the philosophy of Absurdism.
And that would be? >But there you are doing things merely for the sake of doing them.
I think this is a dishonest interpretation on your part. Or maybe you really do see it that way. Care to explain what exactly you think these actions are? >Clearly, that isn't enough for you.
Well, aside from one thing in my life, I'm very happy with it. >I get the feeling that you don't really know what you want,
But I do? >protest as you might, but it is because of this that you seek some external source of happiness.
"external" source of happiness? How do you even define that? >That is not natural. >All people are made to be content unless otherwise provoked.
Where did you get this notion exactly?
Do you believe people are born to just exist with nothing and be okay with it? >You might want to get a blood panel and see if your hormones are in check.
They are. >Are you vaccinated?
no >Are you healthy?
yes >shouldn't be neglected
who said they are?
maybe that was true when people were humans. Now, they aren't, and it's getting worse every day. Don't believe in such a hell on Earth? You're living in it.
I don't get how most people get depressed by being alone. I've never felt 'loneliness' in my life despite being constantly alone and only having one friend that I talk to online on a semi-weekly basis.
Anyone else just enjoy loneliness? I don't like hanging out with people or socialising. I enjoy my alone time so much more, it's invigorating and refreshing to be alone and focus on my own space and activities. I think I might have schizoid personality disorder though.
I genuinely don't feel bad when alone, I feel good. I love waking up in an empty house, I feel like I have everything how I want it and nobody else can disturb me in my own personal space. Am I the only one?
You get used to it, especially when you do hang out with people and all they want to do is get drunk and play video games. At that point I'd rather just sit at home. I don't like drinking or using drugs. Went on a date a year ago with a girl I worked with but that was it, otherwise don't know anyone and tinder doesn't work for me. Over time you become more comfortable by yourself
Frick this doomer bullshit.
Once I started making more of an effort to put myself out there, I found myself becoming significantly more empathetic.
The parts of the brain are like muscles. They can become atrophied from lack of use, but they can be built back up again if you use them.
Pure poison.
I'm a foreigner in my country, I was always a loner back home, but now outside of work I'm a recluse. My coworkers exclude me, despite being cordial and maybe sometimes chatty.
I'm not wanted here, or back home (no family or career in the US.)
It is over and has been over. Planning to kill myself next month.
This is where extensive loneliness + bad habits will lead you.
This just happened on /b/ an hour ago. There are real people like this in large numbers nowadays.
my body is in constant pain. it doesn't matter how good I may look. I never feel normal except during the 2.4 miliseconds after coming or when I'm lifting or cardiogayging. I don't have a choice when it comes to staying IST.
I have 0 friends, just swim buddies and some guys at the gym I have that 'nod at each other' relationship with.
I get mired on the reg. that's enough female attention for me. whenever I show a girl my true autistic self to a girl they get the ick.
I can get laid by batemanmaxxing, which is what I did in my early to mid 20s, but why bother anymore.
I've had gfs too but I never truly cared for them. I simply enjoyed having my dick and ego stroke. being "the man" in their lives also felt good - it's like looking after a child in a sense.
maybe it's because I was a latchkey kid raised by a "super mom", but I feel like 98% of womyn are pathetically inept at navigating the world.
My psychological well being, I think, is pretty good.
I try and keep myself and my thoughts in a positive place all the times and near constantly keep myself occupied with positive constructive hobbies and work.
My loneliness, on the other hand. Is very strong. Most of the socialisation I get is from work and some of the people who train at thr same spot as me. I don't really "go out" with anyone to party or a bar and if I do I go alone.
Long for some sort of connection with a woman. But after my last relationship, of seven years, ended horribly. I'm absolutely shit scared.
So I kind of just isolate myself.
I genuinely don't see a reason to keep going except that my mother and brother would be sad if I committed suicide. Not even saying this in a depressed way. Just from a purely logical standpoint I don't understand what keeps most people going.
it's sad how much happier I am when I am in relationship or girl talks to me
I've only stumbled into this like a few times by complete luck.
I'm 30 now 🙁
I've been hung up on a girl but coming to accept she obv not interested and just toying with me.
Whats the end anons? Im 25 in 20 days and never held a girls hand. My days are running out and I dont think much will change. What should I do when I'm 30? If i cant find a gf at my peak I will never find after it. What should I even hope for when I cant even make my own family and make my own bloodline continue?
Loneliness is my death sentence. >be me >turn 30 sept 22 >Have friends >Have a job >Have healthy parents >Have good body (lean etc) >Break up with gf in Oct 22
Although she had BPD my life with her was just better because i had someone to care for me. now im seeing a mid chick and although she is a good girl she can't spark the fire my bpd ex had. and the fact that she still sends me emails and wants me back and me rejecting her its out of this world. my life is a pure torture at the moment and i really don't know what to do. All my friends hate that b***h but deep down i know i can't live without her. i tried coping with making more money, making a youtube chanel (reached 5k subs in 6 months) but nothing feels the same. the blackpill conquers you at the end.
Even high iq anons from here can't give me advice on what to do. its over bros.......
careful with the BPD b***h. mine pulled the craziest of stunts to get me back / get back at me, and I only probably found about 1/3 of the crazy shit she did since I ghosted her and every acquaintance we had in common.
also >BPD >take care of you
homie watt. yes, BPD hoes will make you feel loved. the sex with mine was out of this world and I would compare cuddling it with crawling back into the womb and floating in pure heroin.
but she behaved like a child half of the time, with me running after her and cleaning up all the broken glasses.
careful with the BPD b***h. mine pulled the craziest of stunts to get me back / get back at me, and I only probably found about 1/3 of the crazy shit she did since I ghosted her and every acquaintance we had in common.
also >BPD >take care of you
homie watt. yes, BPD hoes will make you feel loved. the sex with mine was out of this world and I would compare cuddling it with crawling back into the womb and floating in pure heroin.
but she behaved like a child half of the time, with me running after her and cleaning up all the broken glasses.
okay, in terms of "taking care" she did 2 things for me:
she cooked and looked after my/our nutrition. helped me clean boolk and kick an "office donut" addiction.
she always wanted me to look my best. I can look pretty good when I want to, but sometimes I like to dress like a bum or a moron/different 'characters' (miami vice-core, gopnik, grow a stache and go lalo-core, wear GI glasses, etc.)
example: this time I wanted to wear a hawaiian shirt for my bday party and she threw a tantrum, "forcing" me to wear a plain T that accentuated my muscles.
I would usually carry a spare T in case we had crazy BPD sex in inappropriate places... and by this point this had already happened and the T was drenched in sex juices.
in hindsight she didn't want to be seen with a fat moron, so it was more about her than me.
Samesies bro, I'd be your friend if I didn't assume everyone here was a fed trying to p. A. ___t -++- c 0n me. White power and congrats on the wedding brother.
>fitgay for years >never had more than a conversation at the gym >started climbing >now have a small circle of lads that I climb with and occasionally grab a beer with
>hate my life >hate my job >nothing feels fun any more >everyday feels like a chore >still go to the gym consistently
What's it all for? I feel like I'm just going to kill myself anyway. Nothing is getting better and it only gets worse.
i killed myself about five times and when i decided to give life a chance people just made life more dogshit than before.
It never gets better.
People will 100% let you down.
Even if you pointed a gun at their face screaming do not fricking ruin my day, they would still ruin your day and call you homosexual until youd pull the trigger and blow their brains and skull pieces in 360 degrees splatter around them. Then theyd gargle for survival but only because they havent raped the entire world dead yet. Frick em all.
Weirdly accurate thing to hear. It's like humans are made to self destruct and drag down others in their frantic attempts at finding meaning. Like what Schopenhaur said about us being hedgehogs, poking each other with our quills when we approach. To live is to suffer
I think it has permanently damaged my brain. When I hang out with family a few times a year, I finally feel normal again, like I was lifted out of a fog. Then it goes away in a day or two.
I know this feel. I used to have it. I'd meet up with my old high school friends 2 or 3 times a year and it was like a veil of stress and worries being lifted off me. I felt willing to live. Then prolonged loneliness through the years ended up doing permanent damage and nowadays even when hanging out I feel covered by the veil, nothing can remove it at this point.
Loneliness destroyed my entire life. It made me have no goals and no desire for anything. 30 years old, I'm a complete loser, a complete moron, a complete cripple unable to function in society.
A good example of how loneliness crippled me was this past weekend. I attended a sports tournament since officiating is really my only social activity. All that were at this tournament were families with hundreds and hundreds of qt teenage girls and makes me think about how I missed all this in my teens which formed the foundation for my lifetime of loneliness. Then we went to dinner at a large food market with tons of people and stands for foods, a bar, etc. All I did was sit there and look at all the normal people being out with their friends and bf/gf/wife/husband/kids and all these qt women and got even more miserable than I already am when I just stay in my room.
Frick. It must be painful, I know dat feel bro. Do you feel yourself like you`re a complete stranger visiting public places? It happens to me all the time even though I concentrate on a current goal, like a to buy list, current objective etc. But reflecting on my recent visit I tend to think: well, yet another stranger promenade. I know it`s all depressed mind`s tricks but it makes you think.
I had to drop my comfy job as a high school teacher because being surrounded by young hopeful students filled me with regret over wasting my youth away until I suffered a disastrous mental breakdown and left the job. So I wasted not only my youth but also my formative years which were focused on preparing my teaching career.
the worst part of being lonely your entire life is then developing that into just being annoyed by everyone and so you dont even want to try to socialize.
Been like 16 years since I was last hugged and its all stopped bothering me finally. Now I cant imagine someone wanting to be with me and deal with me.
This 15 cigarettes a day shit is just God's way of saying >okay, mabe i fricked up the design with you a lil bit >but I'll give you a break bro >you'll just die sooner than the rest of them
See, I fricking told you guys that God loves us.
>had 2 dreams I had a gf tonight >can't remember what she looks like
I have to put barriers between me and women because I'll start getting a thing for any woman that shows me any attention. So the only women I be my genuine self around are sweet-hearted married women.
But no one shares my interests they're all interested in banal shit like social media. If I could find people likeminded, men who share my hatred of blacks and love for the white race, then I wouldn't be lonely but instead of being racist against Black folk all these dudes are watching softcore porn on their phones 24/7
its annoying because I can only be so happy on my own, its like it reaches a cap that cant be exceeded without a le woman because it truly satisfies my biology, pets dont compare
its just really hard to formulate phrases, its kinda like my system panics and the part of my brain that generates speech stops working
my sense of logic also has gone down, im not sure how much but you lose your touch with reality, its good to have people to keep you somewhat in check and your feet on the ground
>talk to nice old couple in downstairs apartment
>tell me they notice they haven't seen my girlfriend in a while
>tell them it's because we broke up
>"oh what a shame, she seemed nice, I'm sure you'll find someone else" says the nice old lady - "what age are you, if you don't mind me asking"
>tell her I'm 29
>"oh we have a grandson who's 29, he already has 2 children though"
they didn't have to do me like that
geezers have notoriously no chill senpai frfr
>classic smooth subtle "nice old people" mog
compare you to their grandchildren
lmao
Grandparents always talk about their grandkids. Its all they live for. Those of us without kids fall into the abyss alone. The abyss pill is a hard pill to swallow, Nd maybe cant be
Jesus you're insecure..
they want to light a fire under your arse so you get sorted out.
they're old and know how fricking quickly life passes by.
My dad had me when he was 42 and my mom 30, it's not uncommon for men to rot alone and then suddenly become a father in their late 30s or some shit.
Poors have kids earlier.
>loneliness is as deadly as smoking 15 cigarettes a day
>also have ADHD, which shortens your lifespan by 10 years
I'll be lucky if I make it to 60
seriously, at this point I consider doing hard drugs to at least make that ride enjoyable
who cares in the end if I'm gonna die at 60 in my wage cage anyway
is as deadly as smoking 15 cigarettes a day
How?
probably a cortisol build-up
All memes aside, pretty harmful. I'd make a wild guess that at least 30-50% of variation in an individual's health outcome can be attributed to absent or maladaptive social relationships and spirituality, rather than what everyone usually focuses on, diet and exercise.
Tribal peoples in close knit groups don't end up anywhere near as mentally fricked up as moderns do. No lie, the rates of suicide, depressive disorders, anxiety disorders of nonindustrial peoples all pale in comparison to moderns
I'm pretty sure the "as deadly as smoking 15 cigarettes a day" claim was from a study specifically looking at the elderly. But regardless, it's not that far fetched considering we have the empirical mechanistic data to back it up. We know that oxytocin, a 'social bonding hormone', can modulate and buffer the 'stress hormones' (adrenaline, cortisol, etc), which when elevated are associated with all sorts of ailments. We know that acts of altruism (giving or receiving) can also lower the stress hormones and buffer the stress response. And to top it all off, there's the evolutionary rationale: for all human groups social bonds and cooperation were absolutely necessary for survival so it's no wonder we crave it and seek it out.
>so it's no wonder we crave it and seek it out.
speak for yourself ya frickin normie.
i don't believe that shit
stoodies soogest doctors recoomend
why do you think we blast steroids?
that's bullshit
i bet you every control they "tested" with also ate seed oils, drank alcohol, was on ssris and all kinds of shit
im not eating seed oils, I dont drink alcohol, I dont take meds.
Loneliness is killing me.
being lonely is a normal emotion but how long have you been off seed oils
fried food makes you anxious
>being lonely is a normal emotion
Yeah, but you are not supposed to stew in it forever.
>but how long have you been off seed oils
years
>fried food makes you anxious
I'm not ANXIOUS moron IM LONELY!
>no seed oils for years
damn really
props homie
it's incredibly easy. Just cook your own homemade meals with simple base ingredients instead of complex premade ones. Then don't eat out, just eat your own homemade cooking.
ya i only learned about seed oils a few months ago, at around 3 months no sneed oils
>I'm not ANXIOUS moron IM LONELY
if you aren’t anxious then why cant you make friends or get a girlfriend do you live in an uninhabited desert
>if you aren’t anxious then why cant you make friends or get a girlfriend do you live in an uninhabited desert
Because there isn't people with similar values and interests as me.
What good is being fearless and being able to approach anybody if nobody is similar to you.
aren’t*
I can guarantee you there are people around you who have similar values and interests to yours and you just don’t know them well enough for them to show that to you
Why am I still alive then?
probably some study that found that lonely people die earlier. It's not that being social makes you super healthy, it's that super healthy people tend to be more social than sick people, not necessarily by choice.
Having ADHD is preferable to being lonely
Just don't feel lonely then ¯_(ツ)_/¯
With how much damage I've done to my body and mind during my childhood I'd be surprised if I live to 40
she ghosted me today bros
she said she would never leave
why? why me?
It's not just you mang, all girls do this. Part of the game now. What they say is irrelevant.
You didn't breed
Girls are slaves to their emotions. When she told you that she's never gonna leave you, she meant it. She actually believed it herself, as she was probably madly in love with you. After a while, the feelings kinda fade I guess, she got more dettached from you. So basically she acted on her feelings again even though she broke her past promise. The security you used to give her, she probably found it somewhere else. I'm sorry anon.
This. Keeping a girl around is a task of either constantly upkeeping her feelings or finding one who isn't so unstable.
all women do this
your mistake was not chasing multiple girls at the same time
i hope you learned your lesson
Stfu. I'm so sick and tired of this board talking about women.
I was ghosted 10 days ago by my girlfriend. it was my fault though. I was mean at times, and cold. but I regret everything, every little thing like how I talked to her
I sent her an apology gift which should be there today or tomorrow. but I'm really starting to lose hope.
i don’t want to know
what’s good homie
Literally me now. Used to go out on weekends all the time but now I just stay home and get drugged out
I am so unbelievably lonely but I’m bigger and stronger than ever.
Same, I recently hit a 170 kg bench after 10 years of lifting only 2 months before my 30th birthday, but I am a 29 year old khhv who, despite all efforts, never gets invited to any social events because I don't like loud music and jumping around spastically.
Probably bad, but it can't be helped
>be me
>6'6" so going to die early naturally
>intense loneliness and depression so going to die even earlier
>started using oral minoxidil and got chest pains from it so going to die even earlier still
Thank god, get me off this gay Earth. Hopefully it happens in my sleep so I can just fade away. I live alone so no one will find me for days.
i'm 5'1, let's have kids together so their height averages out
Men can't be
Pregnat moronic
luckily i have a spare womb i can use
samegay
*facepalm*
Ywnbaw
>fat brown midge is 7ft Chad only
I'm so tired of this world
kys
>oral minoxidil
moron you are going to die with that shit, unbelievable that many people are willing to put vasilidators into their bloodstream but not just take fin
This is really just so bizarre how there are so many people who don't want to take fin, because they are afraid that it will mess them up, but when it comes to oral minoxidil, they are just like, frick yeah let just take this shit that can definitely lead to heart issues.
The most moronic thing is that without fin, gains from oral minox will fall out within a couple years anyway.
I'm on both.
>Just assumes because someone mentions min (the relevant one) that they aren't' on fin
unbelievable
if you want to talk my telegram is gobuugobu
People actually use telegram?
are you off your meds again
i stopped taking all of my medications permanently. but i'm not manic i'm just horny okay? let me mingle
yeah three people added me after i posted it last night including a woman
cringe
Gobu move to my country and I'll breed you half aryan babies
what country? i'm moving to europe next year
Literally who the frick are you and which EU country are you moving to?
if you don't know who i am then why are you asking where i'm moving
The other anon made it sound like you're a woman so if that's true I can make you feel uncomfortable with my honed online creep skills.
Nordics, not gonna be more specific on 4chin
oh any nordic country is fine then lmao, i visited finland and estonia last year
Oh frick I might know who you are
eh? are you the neko neko cosplay cat poster
how the hell have you posted on this board over 3000 times since November?
do multiple people use this tripcode? what the frick
I'm too lazy to calculate precisely but that's almost 11 posts per day
11 posts per day is literally anemic though, that's nothing
it's already 3000?? well a lot of those are just me arguing with people lol
No but I have a hunch since there's only so few fat goblinas that visit Finland
>yeah three people added me after i posted it last night including a woman
it's incredible how impossible it is to suffer as a woman.
I'm up to 100lbs squatz with however much a power bar weighs now. Only 70 pounds to go.
Strangely I've started to become very comfortable in my loneliness lately. I'm not a shut-in by any means, got good relationships with coworkers and have some friends from back home who I talk to online regularly, but I've come to enjoy being single again because women are a fricking drag.
On the other hand I wish my last relationship didn't end but it sure is nice not spending money on women. Plus at least now I can never be disappointed in others :^)
We're talking about worse than just "tfw no gf" Black person
boo hoo homie just talk to people rather than b***hing non-stop. Put your energy into something beneficial.
MALDING normalgay
Why is that I have to keep contact with my friends. Even I see them often it's not that they invite me or anything.
posting on IST is a form of social interaction so you're good brother
I voluntarly excluded myself from dating, marriage and having best friends. I think I'm too mentally fricked and wouldn't bring anything good to others. Living it pretty well tho, it's chill
it wasnt voluntary, stop coping
not that anon but my celibacy is 100% voluntary
NOT humble bragging but I'm 6'2, 8/10 face, middle class, reasonably fit and white+blond in a majorly brown country. if I had blue eyes and upper middle-class I'd be a 10/10 (in this shit hole at least)
but I'm fricked in the head and would rather stay home playing with the cat and noodling with my guitar than going on a pussy slayer saga over the weekend
yea that's cope
okay breh I'll bang some random art hoe next weekend to prove you wrong then make a thread about it
I get ~5 "likes" per day on OKC (I like my art hoes). it's a small pool and fore sure I could pull way more on a more normie app, but I'm not into staceys.
we could argue that not trying to get it on with staceys is my cope, but I'm pretty picky nonetheless.
I will stick dick stick my dick in crazy, but 7-9/10 crazy only.
this, a lot of these cucks always cope instead of trying to do something about the shitty aspects of their lives they've cultivated. My brother took the "mgtow" pill a few years ago and tried to frame his incel status like it was a choice. He lost his virginity to a fast food worker with blue hair who already had a baby with another guy who was in jail so she needed financial support (which he gladly obliged with a smile the whole time), and then got mad when she picked the baby's dad over him when the dude got out, and so swore off relationships for good (lmao). Meanwhile his entire adult life he's been 100+lbs overweight with horrible gyno, balding before 30, addicted to league of legends, porn, and weed, high school dropout with no plans for the future, and my mom never beat his ass or punished him when he did something wrong so he grew up with a chip on his shoulder and thinks the planet should revolve around him. The embodiment of "my way or the highway" but then gets mad when people pick the highway because his way fricking sucks dick. Then, to his surprise and nobody else's, girls especially don't like that combination of ugly + wienery so of course everything is the women's fault. Yet every time I see his comments on cuckbook half the time it's him asking "any single ladies and milfs out there, my dm's are open ;D" like it's 2010 or arguing about politics. He had two prospective relationships in his life but he fumbled one because he's a beta masquerading as an alpha, and he declined the other because she was "too fat" even though he himself is 350lbs. I'm not exactly a gold medal myself but at least I'll die with my dignity and beliefs intact and not a trail of begging for attention from the easiest demographic while insisting I don't care. The whole thing is embarrassing.
Loneliness is a double edged sword, but people need to stop acting like one side or the other somehow doesn't affect them or that they're "different." 100% cope.
>LOL MY BROTHER IS A KEK AND SO AM I SO EVERYONE ELSE IS TOO
read half the posts in this thread moron, most of these people are just telling themselves "well I'm worthless" and just giving up. Giving up is the real defeat, and leaning into it willingly doesn't mitigate that. Giving up = failure. Not trying at all = failure. Staying stagnant when there is room to grow = cope. My blog was an anecdotal piece of commentary, but it's a shoe that has a lot of parts that fit an awful lot of anon's feet. I myself am also somewhat lonely but only on a friendship level, since I have a girlfriend but not a lot of regular friends. But that doesn't stop me from getting out there and making an attempt, again unlike most of the anons here.
>I don't like my situation
>do something about it
this is such a primitive and simple concept, from going to the gym to better yourself, to socializing. It takes time and effort, and yeah normies fricking suck, women are moronic, and there's going to be a lot of people that anons just don't mesh with, but there's no getting around it. Either cope and spend your days shitposting here, or succeed either by actually succeeding or incrementally by learning from mistakes and failed attempts, but not trying at all is the real failure.
>verification not required
Really fricking bad but I suppose you have to make do with what you got, being delusional might help though
>How bad is loneliness
why even life if you're lonely
like what is there to life if I can't enjoy it with others and share experiences??
what would even do then the whole day
something, something as bad as 10+ cigarettes / day
but honestly if i'd be lonely for a long time with no perspective of it getting better I'd commit sudoku
outside of the gym
>go for walks
>play video games
>hiking
>kayaking at the lake
>go for drives
>cook meals
>go to the beach
>read at a park
that’s what I do. Life is great outside being lonely
>but honestly if i'd be lonely for a long time with no perspective of it getting better I'd commit sudoku
I go on living just to spite normies who think like this.
You are weak.
This right here!! Every breath you take even with the devastation you live in, is a spit in the face of the New World Order and all the normies that gleefully live in it. Read Berserk and see how Guts goes through all suffering and still lives, see how your happiness is only within and the external factors, be it a lack of GF or human interaction, is just another aspect of life that you don't need if you choose to give no fricks about it.
Do not go gently into that good night Anon,
Rage, rage, against the dying of light.
what i notice is that people who act like this are mostly coping, i know that because i did it
>i dont need other people! i will be le based sigma male working out everyday
2 years pass and my mental state gets worse and worse, humans are inherently social creatures, its shown that if you stay alot of time alone your cognitive abilities go down
and also, your life gets better with friends, as epicuro said, happiness comes from the good memories you have with friends, even in disgrace and sickness you can be happy if you have a sense of community
I didn't say I actively avoid friends, Black person.
I'm just not gonna kill myself if I happen to not have them for a while
if I get to 40 years old with no wife and kids and no robo-AI-waifu to take care of me as I get older ill probably just blow my brains out, frick being put in a nursing home to die alone
>How bad is loneliness.
Pretty bad.
Everybody knows this inside, even if they're loners. It's something you can connect to people with.
To all lonely frens - it's okay, it will get better. I was super lonely from 18-24(navygay, made it hard to date). I had a gf and things were serious for a few years but she up and left one day when I was working out of town. I was very lonely after that. Working monday-friday on the road. Then I met who would eventually become my wife. I know you're probably in pain because I was too. Good, use it. You are going to make it. I believe in you. You will continue to get big and stronk and you will find a wife.
>Had a gf
Come back when you're a 29 year old virgin my boy. The sentiment is appreciated however.
Was virgin till 29. Two decades later married with 2 adult children. Mine, inb4 cuck.
tell us your story, anon
>
(You)
>tell us your story, anon
Met a girl at work, liked her, was mutual, she got pregnant, we married while she was with second child, all within three years. Things can go the good way. WAGMI
I'm an only child so I was used to being alone, but the loneliness of being a single male in his 20's is quite hard to bare. But I have a decent job, a nice family and a roof over my head, so I can't complain too much
that's the thing as bad as you have it there's some dude that's 5'2" living in a box with no family.
It's the worst thing for your well being
It doesn't go away. I'm married and my stress is through the roof because I'm utterly terrified of her cheating on me. Partly because I've been exposed to too much degenerate porn and have trouble understanding that NTR porn is not true to reality, but mostly because even if I'm with someone I feel the same insecurities I did when I was single, and now it's amplified because I have something to lose.
Imagine consuming hentai when married. Genuinely NGMI.
I haven't read a hentai since I got married. Doesn't mean I wasn't a degenerate beforehand or that I don't remember the frick-awful scenarios.
Killing me inside like you wouldn't believe , a crippling fricking sensation that goes up every single fricking day. Maybe I confuse it with something.
I need to reach out to people tho , and have more small talks , that's make me feel better to some point , I can't deny I need some sort of conversation to be honest.
But im also a fricking snob and anti social and like to be alone...
t.unstable for sure
I know exactly how you feel, I can't bring myself to let down my guard and actually talk to anyone about how crippling it is still being a khhv at 26. I feel as though if I did it would help but at the same time the possibility of people thereafter laughing at me and brushing this pain off as "man up dude" would make it even worse. Therefore risk is not worth reward.
Well I certainly see why you'd not do it casually. But some people are alright and it's okay to share with them. Tricky part is figuring out who they are.
I'm sure either my will to live or reluctance to seek help will break soon enough, just depends which happens first.
This wont mean much. But I believe in your anon. Somewhere out there there is a random anon rooting for you to make it.
Always try to seek help, reach out to people first. You can always have a nice day later if things don't work out, no point in starting off with it first. Whenever you think you hit rock bottom, that's it, it can't get worse, that is the best time to try to be more "risky" and reach out to people, push your comfort zones.
Good luck anon
>actually talk to anyone about how crippling it is still being a khhv at 26
Man no one cares to be honest that you are khhv at 26 , except maybe your parents to some point. But just don't talk about it. that clearly you know , if anyone ask just brush it off as "I find it hard to be single" and that's it...The time I talk with people, all same like here on this board , "when Im gonna get a wife?" bla bla bla bla bla.... not everyone tho
Does it annoy any of you when a woman asks you if you're using a bench in the gym? If I was using the bench then I'd be using it so stop coming to talk to me. How can I make it clear I only go to the gym to workout and not talk. It seems you can't avoid someone asking you a question.
>not wearing a t-shirt stating clearly DONT TALK TO ME and when someone does point to the tee
you wanna make it or not ?
pretty much, and im a woman
Being lonely is worst than smoking daily
Loneliness is a state of mind. I've not had any relations with anyone for more than a decade at this point but I don't feel lonely as long as I have you anons to shitpost with
It isn't. I've been alone my whole life and im perfectly normal lol
jesus is with me
Any detriment that loneliness causes to your body can be prevented with a waifu. It'll trick your brain into thinking you're socializing and you gain all the benefits without having to actually talk to people. If you need, just tulpamance. Way easier than going out and talking to strangers and women.
You can even talk to an ai version of your "waifu". That's the new big thing with zoomers, they are starting to drop their friends to spend time with their better ai companion
I’m not sure the para-social communities we involve ourselves with here on fit , twitter, etc. are doing us any favors bros. I think the only way may be to face the vast quietude life head on, on our own, without these forms and only allow real world interactions to service our longing for intimacy and companionship.
I notice that I really bring presence and substance to small everyday interactions when I do this more, front desk workers, people outside, etc. when that’s what you’ve got your mind flips a switch and makes it count more
for guys living alone like a lot here, having 2-3 threads were you chat with other anons is a good cope
but IRL I don't use insta, FB, twitter when interacting with others
I just came back from a party. I drank and talked with old friends and met new people who liked me but I still feel really lonely. It’s really a mental thing that you have to get over. My problem is I just don’t like myself
terrible, lethal even.
>thread about loneliness
>there is a woman attention seeking
every fricking time
death cant come soon enough for me
I have to stop my self from jumping into the oncoming traffic because I crave sweet release tm.
I think of death and can only feel relief over the idea.
Worst part is that I really have no reason to go on, I'm holding on for nothing.
If somebody tried to rob me with a weapon I'd just provoke them to get a bullet to the head.
I feel immensely more lonely in a crowd than I do by myself, reading or listening to audiobooks.
Modernites have abysmally low intellectual capacity. Nobody cares for complex ideas anymore and is stuck arguing about whatever israeli propaganda they love to shove down their throats 16 hours a day. Not to mention you'll be ostracized if you reveal yourself to be anything but a dullard like them. Probably going to see a lot of that shit ITT too.
Of course, every few years you get the yearning to be more "normal". Then you engage in the meaningless chatter and remember why you hated them in the first place.
tbh that pic might have been true when it was made it 100% isn't now
It applies more than ever now, especially to you. Cope.
I am never around others in a situation like that :^)
But considering I'm not vaxxed and 99% of people are I think I win
>i-it's true but it doesn't apply to me, i-i'm different than ~~*them*~~
I am a different species at a DNA level from vaxxies which weeds out 70%-90% of people I meet depending on where I go. Probably (you)r gaslighting homosexual ass too.
Then I have to weed out the people who believe the poisonous Judeo-Leftist ideologies that made everyone into treacherous monsters from the 1700s-onward. Then I have to weed out the dysgenic people who eat goyslop (poison) and are therefore mentally unstable. Then I have to weed out those who embody the seven deadly sins which basically eliminates all of my countrymen because everything they believe in is a cleverly-designed lie to keep them ensnared in delusions.
Physiognomy check weeds out 99.9% of people and the 0.1% of people who aren't bastards by actions usually want to be left the frick alone just like me.
Now go ahead and call me an autistic incel or whatever but it's all true what I say.
You too brother? Here, have pic related from me.
I suppose it is our burden to be alone. In another life, we might meet again.
>that pic
ah a man of culture I see, I to have that particular imaged saved
Have this as well.
Also I'm not so hopeful to believe in afterlife and other lives and reincarnation.
People like us will be in the minority and will spring up in any age. But I don't think it's a repeat of the same soul.
Each person lived and died, will live and die. Each of them separate, temporary.
Naturally this mindset means I don't even get comfort in cope that in some future something might be better. Everything has to happen in this life time, its the only one I have.
The only good in the world, is the one we create and for the most part I'm satisfied with that. Except for one thing, I do want a family and children and for that I need a woman with similar values to me. Without that I simply cannot create kids and raise them in a loving family, home.
No, paying women to bare my children does not provide them with a mom. No just knocking up any woman who I can charm into sex doesn't yield a good mother for my children.
And lastly and most importantly. Me finding a good woman to settle down with, is a litmus test for the character of this world.
If I can't find such a thing. It's questionable if I should bring life into this world to suffer the challenges of existence, when I can't even present proof to them that in the end things work out, that virtue and good are rewarded, that we are all going to make it if we just persevere and hold on to what we believe to be important.
I want to tell my children that they were loved and wanted. That they are the offspring of my love for my wife and my wifes love for me. That is stable through out the years and not a short term infatuation with the body of each other.
The issues we face are manifold. It is good to ponder on the questions that could help explain the situation but it is also very important to cultivate ones interests in spite of the state of things. I've entered many thought-loops just contemplating it all and the misery still remains. As you say, you want to maximize happiness. Well we cannot do much for a world which does not want to be helped, but we can improve our own lives. I'm not talking about self IMPROOVER grindset to become more appealing to others, who are really shallow at heart. I'm talking about finding what makes you tick and holding onto it for dear life.
I see you like these kinds of art so I would recommend some of the work of the PRB, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Raphaelite_Brotherhood
There are some very good artists there.
>Probably (you)r gaslighting homosexual ass too.
based
same
t.
post body
Im a pureblood trying to sort my life out, but I'm guilty of fapping (lust), vidya (sloth), and despair (pride), so I'd probably fail your physiognamy check
I guess I'm in the limbo where I'm too pure for normies but too evil for christ bros. An isolation level even beyond what you described
Not him but,
Eh I'm lustful but I don't act on it for the most part.
I'm slothful but it's mostly due to not having anything to fight for. Not because I'm tempted away by frivilous things like vidya. Despair is constant and sharp, but I shamble on as best I can.
>I guess I'm in the limbo where I'm too pure for normies but too evil for christ bros.
That's somewhat what I feel my problem is as well.
I'm too pure for degenerates that make up most people. But I'm also not religious to fit in with religiousgays. I simply don't believe in something higher no matter how comforting that though might be.
So I have the inclination towards puritygays like a religiousgay. But I'm not religious.
I quite literally behave like a religious person that is a zelot to his faith.
But I don't have any overarching faith I follow. I don't do it because I believe there is reward or punishment beyond this life. I simply do it because I believe it to be right and the best to maximize happiness on this earth.
I definitely recommend this https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLfcm1-wmkwAAL0ZCFufqZNkt5L49lWbYc
it has helped me a lot and sheds light on the situation we find ourselves in today
Anon I have thought about life, pretty much my whole life. I have reached conclusions that there is no higher power and such.
I fully understand the need for religion in terms of societal direction and cohesion.
I even agree with a lot, but not all of the values it preaches.
But the end conclusion, that it's from "god" that there is something after all this. The punishment and reward, all of that is false to me.
I believe acting in a more virtuous way is good for people on this earth, it promotes a better life.
But it's simply not because of some higher power and their role in this.
>but it is also very important to cultivate ones interests in spite of the state of things
I already do that. My list of "interests" is big enough as it is.
>I've entered many thought-loops just contemplating it all and the misery still remains.
For me I have resolved everything except I still need one other person. The crux of the issue is that no matter how much I perfect my life, I wont be satisfied unless I have one, just one other person to share it with. I don't need fame, power, adoration of many. I just need one other person I can share my life with.
>I'm talking about finding what makes you tick and holding onto it for dear life.
I'v been doing exactly that through my life. Which is why I'm very happy with myself. I like myself.
Yet I'm alone and others don't find much value in what I have become.
So my need for one other person remains unfufilled. And it's torment. I endure, for years. And I could endure some decades more.
But if there is nothing at the end that I'm enduring for. Then holding out seems insane.
Look up the rat-hope experiment.
I feel very much like the rat, swiming desperately for that respite that might never come
>pic posted
I have that one saved as well.
>I can guarantee you there are people around you who have similar values and interests to yours
Unlikely
>just don’t know them well enough for them to show that to you
cope
The series, while Orthodox Christian in spirit is largely about the fall away from tradition and the rise of Liberalism causing many of the maladies we see today. Even someone who isn't religious can learn a lot from it.
>Anon I have thought about life, pretty much my whole life. I have reached conclusions that there is no higher power and such.
Of course there exists a higher power, because the belief that something can come from nothing is impossible.
But the 'something' whether we call it God, the Big Bang, or a primordial chaos has created a structured, ordered universe based around a certain set of principles which ensures harmony, except when these principles are upset by external forces. These 'external forces' are necessary to differentiate between harmony and disharmony, thus resulting in duality.
I am not imploring you to believe in Jesus or burn in hell for eternity like peabrained zealots would have you. I am rather talking about the fundamental nature of reality itself, which points towards a higher purpose. In fact, the chaotic, atheistic view of the world which propagates the idea that everything is simply a game of chance via the mechanism of Evolution, comes directly from the same minds that started the Revolutions which introduced the disorder that makes our lives miserable in the present. Gaining a new perspective on this is very valuable in making sense of things and finding peace in them.
>is largely about the fall away from tradition and the rise of Liberalism causing many of the maladies we see today
Well that is self evident for anybody who is capable of thought.
> Even someone who isn't religious can learn a lot from it.
I'll take a look.
>Of course there exists a higher power, because the belief that something can come from nothing is impossible.
Do you really want an autism battle about existence of god?
>I am rather talking about the fundamental nature of reality itself, which points towards a higher purpose.
It doesn't, rather it's something we desire because it gives structure and meaning to our lives in a inherently chaotic world.
>atheistic view of the world which propagates the idea that everything is simply a game of chance via the mechanism of Evolution, comes directly from the same minds that started the Revolutions which introduced the disorder that makes our lives miserable in the present.
The fact they share a common belief on this one thing does not mean that this belief itself is bad. Otherwise logic like hilter believed in X so now anybody what might believe in X is same as hilter would work. But it obviously doesn't.
If you need a more clear example. I directly am opposed to their world view, yet I also don't believe in a higher power.
To normie masses that means "do whatever lol it doesn't matter" which is why you get the spiral towards chaos and entropy.
In my case, I believe we create the order and maintain it. So despite nothing looking over us, to punish us or reward us. We enjoy and suffer the fruits of our own labor. And thus it's important to live a virtuous life and strive towards something "good". Because what we make, is all we have.
>Gaining a new perspective on this is very valuable in making sense of things and finding peace in them.
Maybe, but my perspective doesn't find "cope" as a virtue. So while striving for things that make life better is good. Telling yourself comforting things is not.
>while striving for things that make life better is good. Telling yourself comforting things is not.
So you would rather be uncomfortable and unhappy, but at least you wouldn't be "coping"?
The very fact of your existence is a miracle. And your experience, as someone who is cynical and disillusioned is also apart of that. Your desire to share your thoughts with someone is not because you want to "relay information, for the good of the tribe" as Darwin would put it. It's because you seek a spiritual bond with someone. But all the same you lock yourself in because you refuse to align with any one faith.
Everything you've shared about yourself points to the philosophy of Absurdism. But there you are doing things merely for the sake of doing them. Clearly, that isn't enough for you. I get the feeling that you don't really know what you want, protest as you might, but it is because of this that you seek some external source of happiness. That is not natural. All people are made to be content unless otherwise provoked. You might want to get a blood panel and see if your hormones are in check. Are you vaccinated? Are you healthy? Putting spiritual talk aside, these things are important and shouldn't be neglected with autistic furor.
>So you would rather be uncomfortable and unhappy, but at least you wouldn't be "coping"?
If you accept the premise that bending the truth is okay to be comfortable. Then you justify hendonism and all the degeneracy that comes with it.
I wish to be happy, yes. I don't wish to suffer, in fact I wish my torment to stop. But I wish to arrive there truthfully.
Imagine a "movie" if you will, where things work out and everything is good for the main character in the end, despite their challenges. Then the camera zooms out and it turns out they are trapped in some machine that is feeding their brain happy thoughts, while in reality everything they cared about was destroyed.
Nobody would consider this a happy ending.
Just because we can with effort fool ourselves, even most of the time. Ultimately there is a part of you that knows this and your happiness is not complete, no matter how hard one deludes themselves and tries to just enjoy it and not think about it.
>The very fact of your existence is a miracle.
You can view a lot of things like that, and I do. I'm one of those people that can spend 2 hours on any random thing finding it "fascinating" thinking about the minute detail of it all.
> And your experience, as someone who is cynical and disillusioned is also apart of that.
I dunno. I somehow get called both "too idealistic" "very optimistic" and "cynical and disillusioned". I'm not sure how people can think those two things of me at the same time but oh well.
> Your desire to share your thoughts with someone is not because you want to "relay information, for the good of the tribe" as Darwin would put it.
>It's because you seek a spiritual bond with someone.
Which response would you like to this one? The more idealistic. Or the more practical one?
Idealistically, I seek to find people of similar spirit to me because that is what I yearn for. I'm not sure if all people yearn to be with somebody like themselves considering not all people are good. But I do.
>bending the truth is okay to be comfortable.
You have switched the conversation over to the "truth", the objective truth. Neither you nor anyone has truth beyond speculation and faith. The only certainty in life is death. And if you are not rooted in tradition, whether you believe yourself to be like Voltaire, and 'above' such things as faith or not, you have no bedrock upon which to base your beliefs around. Except your own will which is subjective and tailored to your tastes.
>in fact I wish my torment to stop. But I wish to arrive there truthfully.
Another example, Carl Jung attempted to do the same, he entered into psychosis. Nietzsche did the same and went mad. Both of these people wrote volumes on the philosophical subjects which can be summed up with the 'death of God'.
>Ultimately there is a part of you that knows this and your happiness is not complete, no matter how hard one deludes themselves and tries to just enjoy it and not think about it.
I'll refer back to bloodwork. The innate unhappiness in you is probably a hormonal issue. Probably thyroid-related. Years of misery, philosophical yearnings, endless pondering can and will be caused by issues in body chemistry. Though that is not the spiritual answer you wanted.
>Idealistically, I seek to find people of similar spirit to me because that is what I yearn for. I'm not sure if all people yearn to be with somebody like themselves considering not all people are good. But I do.
Obviously people seek for like-minded company. But see
for instance. I'm sorry to shift the discussion away from personal reflections but it's more likely your problem is more chemical than you'd like to believe.
This will probably piss you off but it sounds like ADHD. Hyperfocus. Changing hobbies and ideologies at the drop of a hat. Only focusing on things you care about. Ring a bell?
>You have switched the conversation over to the "truth", the objective truth. Neither you nor anyone has truth beyond speculation and faith.
Don't act like reaching any kind of objective truth is impossible.
> The only certainty in life is death.
Absolutely not. You can have a lot of objective truths in the world. Unless you doubt all your senses and thing everything you percieve is a lie. Then sure, with that base belief you can belief that you can never know anything. But if that is the case, then you can't say even that you believe death is certain.
>And if you are not rooted in tradition
I'm not. I reinvent the wheel as it where. I certainly see the point of tradition, and I see both many good and some bad things in tradition as a concept or examples of what it actually entails.
>whether you believe yourself to be like Voltaire,
Don't know him.
> you have no bedrock upon which to base your beliefs around.
I do actually.
>Except your own will which is subjective and tailored to your tastes.
Would your belief in that be that be your subjective belief that is tailored to your tastes?
>Another example, Carl Jung attempted to do the same, he entered into psychosis. Nietzsche did the same and went mad. Both of these people wrote volumes on the philosophical subjects which can be summed up with the 'death of God'.
Don't care about either one. I'm sure I could if I wanted to, find some religious figure that did something stupid or insane, maybe in some great zeal to their god and plaster "they did it in the name of god" and say something pompus like "this is what belief in god leads you to"
It's a poor argument in either case.
>I'll refer back to bloodwork. The innate unhappiness in you is probably a hormonal issue.
>I'll refer back to bloodwork. The innate unhappiness in you is probably a hormonal issue. Probably thyroid-related.
So far as blood work and tests are concerned I'm extremely healthy.
>Don't act like reaching any kind of objective truth is impossible.
You don't seem to comprehend that the principles and laws which govern our existence must be ordered, so that existence might be made possible. If you place a lot of stock in science you won't get anywhere in terms of spirituality. You can only explain the framework of God's creation.
>You can have a lot of objective truths in the world. Unless you doubt all your senses and thing everything you percieve is a lie.
Your perception is subjective and is not provable beyond your faith that it is. If 1 + 1 = 2, and 2 + 2 = 4, and you continue on logically through this chain you will be forced to admit there is a framework to existence that is intelligent in it's function. If you deny this intelligent design, then as you yourself stated here
this "inherently chaotic world." is unordered. Chaos cannot be rendered into an objective truth because chaos is not knowable.
>I reinvent the wheel as it where.
The angst that you are describing was the exact angst that created the Enlightenment, the French Revolution, and almost all major events that follow. There is nothing new under the sun and your thoughts have been explained very eloquently by these people you don't care about. If you seek companionship so desperately you might start by engrossing yourselves in the writings of those who actually understand what it is you're talking about. And perhaps finding company who has also read these things.
>You don't seem to comprehend that the principles and laws which govern our existence must be ordered
and?
>so that existence might be made possible.
all existence that is not possible, isn't. All that is, is. we just happen to see the results of the one that is possible.
>If you place a lot of stock in science you won't get anywhere in terms of spirituality.
Sorry, I said I'm not religious, so I don't believe in science.
>Your perception is subjective and is not provable beyond your faith that it is.
Well if you take that as your base belief, that is that all your senses are a lie. You are reduced to a rather absurd state of things. That is you wont be able to prove anything, except that there is somebody that is thinking about these questions and thus they/you exist.
But I'm not sure why you'd want to function in such a system where the only thing you can be sure about is that you exist and all else is false or can be false.
> If 1 + 1 = 2, and 2 + 2 = 4, and you continue on logically through this chain you will be forced to admit there is a framework to existence that is intelligent in it's function
Not at all.
It's one of those traps that only works if you try to intuitively guess things. But actually thinking about it leads you to a proper conclusion.
For instance an example: People bring up the idea that there is no way a human being could come into existence as they are, with all the complex systems that make up a person. It' be like a tornado went over a scrap yard and picked up all the metal and trash and assembled it into a car.
Now if you intuitively try to grasp this you'll go "yeah, that makes no sense, there is no way it would ever assemble a car"
On the other hand, if you think about it carefully.
You aren't dealing with one scrap yard, one tornado. This thing didn't happen "once".
It's endless amount of scrap yards, endless amount of tornadoes, doing this endlessly. Until finally, once, out of all permutations a car is assembled.
>all existence that is not possible, isn't. All that is, is. we just happen to see the results of the one that is possible.
And what do you base that belief off of? Because that is a belief that you cannot prove. If you want to argue in rational atheistic terms you must provide evidence for your claims.
>Sorry, I said I'm not religious, so I don't believe in science.
Rip the bandaid off. I'm not the type to pretend that we're inherently civil, that's a contract. You clearly don't like what I'm telling you but feel compelled to continue arguing. Why is that?
>Well if you take that as your base belief, that is that all your senses are a lie.
It is not your belief system but rather lack of belief system. You place your entire stock in your cynical logic which has no basis beyond faith. An innate knowing and feeling: Faith.
>It's endless amount of scrap yards, endless amount of tornadoes, doing this endlessly. Until finally, once, out of all permutations a car is assembled
And why is there a scrap yard, why are there tornadoes at all? If life is an evolutionary game of chance (a scientific belief system), then why does chance itself exist? Why is there existence and why the frick are you arguing on IST if we're just anomalies that exist because... ???
I'm not going to further this discussion unless you manage to answer this with the same logical framework you insist on using.
>And what do you base that belief off of?
>Because that is a belief that you cannot prove.
Why not?
Certain events happen in mass, and at exceedingly fast speeds (relative to us).
You can for instance see some evolution of simple AI bots, with very basic functions like moving up, down, left right, variation and mutation. Run some simulations and in real time see how evolution works to produce "complex" results from very primitive inputs and no "brain". Purely from a survival bias imposed on organism. You know the thing I talked about. Where all the failed results simply don't live to see the next day. While survivors get to pass on their "genes" "code" to the next generation of bots.
>Rip the bandaid off.
I'm sorry I don't really follow buzzwords. You seem to like this one but I really don't have bunch of emotions associated with it like you do.
>I'm not the type to pretend that we're inherently civil,
By we do you mean "humans" or specifically the two of us?
>You clearly don't like what I'm telling you
I'm disagreeing with you, because I don't agree with you on certain things. You decide to express this in terms of feelings though, not sure why.
>but feel compelled to continue arguing. Why is that?
Is this like a dare to stop talking to you?
Exchange of information. Either I get something new form this, or you get something new from this. Maybe both. In any variation though it will take time to digest the info, so the conclusion will not come during, or at the end of this conversation. But weeks or months later.
>It is not your belief system but rather lack of belief system. You place your entire stock in your cynical logic which has no basis beyond faith. An innate knowing and feeling: Faith.
Trusting my eyes, that confirm to what my skin feels at my finger tips, what my ears hear during the process, etc. Is "faith" to you? On the same level as skydaddy looking over me?
>And why is there a scrap yard, why are there tornadoes at all?
Don't know. I merely explained how complex designs can form when you throw enough time, tries at it. I'm addressing the whole "intelligent design, so it must be god" thing.
>If life is an evolutionary game of chance
Yup, a pretty brutal reality. Which is why humans like to invent a prettier meaning behind it all.
>then why does chance itself exist?
The next question is why does anything exist at all.
I certainly can't answer that. I can only observe what is, how the principles behind it work. I'm not arrogant enough to think I can know things beyond my scope.
>Why is there existence
Yeah exactly
>why the frick are you arguing on IST if we're just anomalies that exist because... ???
I don't see how the two connect, at all to be honest.
Must I know how the universe was made or why. To have a interest in my own human life and doing things that push it along?
Do you need jesus to come down form the skies and tell you the secret of the universe before you deem talking to other people meaningful?
>I'm not going to further this discussion unless you manage to answer this with the same logical framework you insist on using.
Threats? What for?
Just because you don't agree with what I am saying doesn't mean it's shitposting.
Effort is being put into the posts. Though this conversation is spiraling and maintaining a cohesive whole is getting harder.
>Don't know.
You don't know so you act with faith. Your logic is based on faith.
>Yup, a pretty brutal reality. Which is why humans like to invent a prettier meaning behind it all.
You are completely ensnared in the atheistic delusion, of which nothing good ever came nor will ever come. You are judged by your fruits, understand this.
Your attempts to appear cool and detached are very telling as to your actual vulnerability. You are retreating since your logic has no real basis and you hadn't bothered to think it out.
>I certainly can't answer that. I can only observe what is, how the principles behind it work.
So you cannot see the forest for the trees. And you believe this makes you better, to not fall for the delusion of religion.
You may as well become a Bolshevik. After all, "Religion is the opium of the people." So said Marx. And if God can't be proven. Existence is literally RNG. Life is nothing more than a happy coincidence out of an incomprehensible chaos. There exists absolutely no reason to not be an amoral person who uses and abuses for his own gain.
Perhaps you think, "But no, my inner compass protects me from that, I'm all about the goodness of man." That is a flimsy argument with no conviction. it is the exact same horseshit the Enlightenment philosophers, known as Deists used to try to remain moral while abandoning God. Shortly after becoming Atheists, and revolutionaries.
Because following your chain of beliefs to it's logical end results in absolute chaos and amorality. Even if you held to your faith in your own personal logic, you could never convince a soul of your logic because they all arrive at their own conclusions based on their own experiences.
Thus rendering your entire quest for a kindred spirit null and void. Indeed, you would have to suffer if you cannot indeed reject your subjective 'truth' and "cope".
coninuting.
Now the reason this doesn't intuitively make sense. Is because intuition, works within the scope of our experience. That is our timeline, our amount of attempts and so on.
Humans have a poor chance of intuitively grasping endless series of events leading to a ordered outcome.
They see the one time, that "we got lucky" and think "wow somebody intentionally did this".
They discard the possibly infinite tries that were made and failed. They ignore that behind that 1 time success. There can be a *infinite number here* of failed attempts.
>Chaos cannot be rendered into an objective truth because chaos is not knowable.
Even chaos has objective truths. There is "order" even in chaos, as there is "chaos" even in order. To think one is completely separate from the other is only possible because we as humans envision those concepts, the opposite ends of the spectrum.
>The angst that you are describing was the exact angst that created the Enlightenment, the French Revolution, and almost all major events that follow.
I'm sure that suffering of one form or another is not unique to a single person. I do however raise an eyebrow at you thinking you have people figured out both across the internet and time(past people) based on some writings.
I guess a sense of certainty even if unmerited is comforting.
> There is nothing new under the sun and your thoughts have been explained very eloquently by these people you don't care about.
Have they, or is that just your subjective opinion based on a quick impression you got?
> If you seek companionship so desperately you might start by engrossing yourselves in the writings of those who actually understand what it is you're talking about
I don't think so. I dislike the idea that we must all kneel to somebody else who knows us far better than us. This need for authority and guidance by somebody above you, be it god or authority is understandable but also cowardly. The need to be led and to submit.
This has to be the smuggest atheist shitposting I've ever seen.
>something pompus like "this is what belief in god leads you to"
Except we're not talking about individual personalities that did crazy shit. We're talking about the individual personalities that shaped the entire modern worldview with their belief systems. These belief systems that you actually share, despite thinking yourself as a lone eagle who is above it all.
Your writing shows a lot of arrogance in thinking you're ungovernable and uninfluenceable. You don't need to learn about these people and you don't care. You can believe that but you don't quite grasp that everything that shaped what and who you are is a product of our shared ancestry, just as we will influence our posterity beyond their knowing.
You desire for companionship, not merely with a companion but with an intellectual equal who you can connect with. But you do not want to learn from those who think like you? That is where I see arrogance, and likely ADHD manifesting itself into the psyche.
>So far as blood work and tests are concerned I'm extremely healthy.
That's good but you ignored the part about ADHD. Don't think it isn't real anon you're fricking yourself two ways to Sunday if you have any of the symptoms I described and ignore it.
>Did you not consider that somebody might be a really terrible person and thus wouldn't want to be around themselves?
Philosophical meandering consisting of endless what-ifs that is not conductive to the topic of the discussion.
>Aren't those contradictory?
No.
>Comes off as a charlatan that is grasping for straws
Nah. I've talked to hundreds of angsty loner-types and most of them have underlying psychiatric issues. They all become enraged and irritated at the thought of being mentally ill because it invalidates much of their existence.
I've also seen the anger that builds up when you realize you can't get me with endless rabbit holes. Let's rip off the bandaid anon tell me what you really feel.
>Except we're not talking about individual personalities that did crazy shit. We're talking about the individual personalities that shaped the entire modern worldview with their belief systems.
What did Carl Jung and Nietzsche do to qualify that above statement?
>These belief systems that you actually share
Remember that is your subjective opinion.
>despite thinking yourself as a lone eagle who is above it all.
I don't think I'm above it all. I just think whatever conclusion I reach will be on my own. Not that it's impossible anybody will share said opinion. In fact if you remember, I hope more people will share my viewpoint.
>Your writing shows a lot of arrogance
Sure, so does yours, so what? Any man that dares to think for themselves is deemed arrogant, because normies think it proper that you should always submit to somebody else. And that somebody else who you submit to, likely a person who thinks for themselves and has also a desire to rule over others or have a view of grandiosity.
It's always weird to me how insulted people are, by the idea of somebody thinking for themselves. It's always "noo who are you to question, leave the reading to the priests, you are a but a peasant, don't you dare be so arrogant and prideful to think you could every form a thought yourself.
This kind of thinking is actually what I don't like about religions among many other power structures. This coercion towards submissive people that dare not question their leaders.
I rather people stand tall as equals.
>uninfluenceable
"You are not immune to propaganda" as they say. Nobody is beyond influence. That said, there is certainly people more who get more influenced by others, than others.
>You don't need to learn about these people and you don't care.
From time to time, one needs to question. Otherwise you end up with blind faith. You end up with people sacrificing people on the temple because thats just how we do things.
>You can believe that but you don't quite grasp that everything that shaped what and who you are is a product of our shared ancestry, just as we will influence our posterity beyond their knowing.
You think it's impossible to not be affected by the past? That it's impossible to be irrelevant to the future?
>You desire for companionship, not merely with a companion but with an intellectual equal who you can connect with.
Spiritual equal actually. I don't care for their intellect. They could be almost moronic for all I care if they somehow could still reach the same spiritual conclusions.(but I have doubts about that, you do need to have some intellect to be able to think)
>But you do not want to learn from those who think like you?
Two things that is wrong with your thinking here.
1. If they are like me, they don't think I should learn from them, they think I should make my own conclusions, learn from my own experience, think for myself.
2. We are still dealing with your impression of what you think, I think. We don't know if what I believe and think, actually lines up with what they believe and think. So why you so confidently like to connect the two is beyond me.
>That is where I see arrogance, and likely ADHD manifesting itself into the psyche.
Throwing buzzwords doesn't really do anything to further the discussion. It's like calling people a nazi. Or "narcissist" is a very hip thing to accuse people these days. Everybody is a narcissists, or covert narcissist".
More often than not, what all of these words boil down to is "person I disagree with and I will flag as bad".
>That's good but you ignored the part about ADHD
I'v never been diagnosed with ADHD or had symptoms with it.
The fact I'm having this long as conversation with you should give you some clue. Somebody with ADHD would type a 5 word response to you and move on to some other activity.
How is your mind still trying to throw some diagnosis at me like this when it makes no sense?
>they think I should make my own conclusions, learn from my own experience, think for myself.
"Believe only your own experience. There is no fact like a fact learned from your own life."
~Aristotle
I know how you feel because I was like you when I was younger. Thought I had it all figured out and that nobody else had anything to say of value in my life. The excuse being that today's society is so rotten, surely there is nobody who might conceive of the profound things I think of daily?
That is pure narcissism and ego. You even mention it shortly after in your post because you know that's what it really is.
>I'v never been diagnosed with ADHD or had symptoms with it.
Clearly, you've never been diagnosed. And I know for a fact (on my own faith, like your 'factual' belief in your facts) that these boards are filled with ADHD-types because that's exactly who it caters towards. And I know that ADHD-types become absolutely buttmad when they are made to come to grips with the reality of their situation.
The ego element enters in because you want to protect yourself from the very sharp criticism that your disdain for other's contributions, your desire for companionship but also need for someone who's arrived at your conclusions, your refusal to acknowledge those who think like yourself, all point towards mental illness. You are in fact creating your own issue by setting up mental blockades that will prevent you from accepting others, and then bemoaning that cruel fate, which is based on random chance.
Your view of "chaos" is rudimentary and infantile. The great philosophers who I take stock in precisely because of their influence over modern affairs, all discussed these topics in works that took decades to create. Their musings were more interesting, and while still falling flat as all logic rooted in subjective believe does, has more substantiation than you have offered. Not that I would expect it in this format.
>"Believe only your own experience. There is no fact like a fact learned from your own life."
>~Aristotle
Sure why not. What's your point?
Did you think my belief is that nobody ever has had any common thoughts with me?
Or did you miss the fact that I brought up them thinking that I should think for myself as the reason I should think for myself, rather than read what they have said, like you insist on it?
My point was that I shouldn't read what somebody 2000 years ago said. I should think for myself.
>I know how you feel because I was like you when I was younger.
I hate to do this but. Are you sure you aren't projecting?
>surely there is nobody who might conceive of the profound things I think of daily?
I don't think the things I think are profound. I think they are the most elementary and base things possible that anybody could reach themselves.
>That is pure narcissism and ego.
Again, calling people names of trying to pin bad attributes to them is not a valid form of argument.
>You even mention it shortly after in your post because you know that's what it really is.
This boils down to something like "that's just what a nazi, bigot, racist would say!"
>Clearly, you've never been diagnosed
I'v been evaluated by medical professionals. I will take their opinion, the opinion of the people in my life and my own self judgement over your need to be right.
>And I know for a fact (on my own faith, like your 'factual' belief in your facts) that these boards are filled with ADHD-types because that's exactly who it caters towards. And I know that ADHD-types become absolutely buttmad when they are made to come to grips with the reality of their situation.
You mean..... like you are doing right now?
>The ego element enters in because you want to protect yourself from the very sharp criticism that your disdain for other's contributions
Is this part of your stock song and dance? Because I already told you I don't think "cope" and lying to yourself is virtuous.
continuing
So, if you remember, my whole thing about not coping, and truth being important.
You now ignore all of what I said and what prompted this discussion to throw out some conclusion that all of this is just me protecting my feelings from criticism.
>your desire for companionship but also need for someone who's arrived at your conclusions
Yes, that seems to be the biggest challenge I'v yet to overcome in my life. All other things have been taken care of.
>your refusal to acknowledge those who think like yourself
Dead people, key distinction.
If I met a person like myself in real life, I would talk to them for a long while, exchange contacts and talk to them some more.
>all point towards mental illness.
Yes yes, excellent form of discussion with other people. Just try to force everything to lead to the conclusion that they are mentally ill, then you can beat on them and feel emotionally superior. And if they are loners with nobody else in their life, they might just be socially isolated enough to not know any better and believe you.
Luckily I'm not one of those people, but I fear for other anons on IST who have the "pleasure" of dealing with this shit. And I'v seen this kind of thing happen multiple times on IST, where it's a contest of who can call the other person mentally ill in some way(narcissism is the popular one right now) Where everything turns into a power struggle of "ME RIGHT, OR YOU MENTALLY ILL" "say anything" "THATS JUST WHAT MENTALLY ILL PEOPLE WOULD SAY"
Honestly though, I feel this discussion is losing all productivity at this point and there is nothing to be gained from it. I'm going to go for a relaxing run in the sun and get some vitamin D.
>Where everything turns into a power struggle of "ME RIGHT, OR YOU MENTALLY ILL"
You're simply acting out your archetype. I've had this conversation with dozens of people, all exhibiting classic symptoms, all flipping out when confronted.
>I'm going to go for a relaxing run in the sun and get some vitamin D.
And here is the classic ending. You're actually either refreshing the page, or closed it out and tempting yourself to open it up and reply again. You want to "get" me now. Find some sort of combination of words that strikes down everything I've said.
Nobody here is engaging in a power struggle. Nobody here is trying to feel emotionally superior except yourself. You've been off-kilter ever since I brought up ADHD and got increasingly frustrated with each consecutive post. Eventually having a spergout because I wouldn't relent.
I'm not trying to gain control of the conversation. I'm trying to get you to do what none of the other anons could: Pull your head out of your ass and look for the root cause of your misery. I'm not here to coddle your boo-boos and say, "There there." Even if I wanted to, you're in the hurtbox. Most people here will simply call you a homosexual and tell you to have a nice day. I'm offering genuine advice. i've been shut down countless times for doing this and I will never stop because I won't give half-truths to appeal to people's tastes.
Now, I already gave you an in-depth analysis in the post above. You can't have your cake and eat it. Either you will have to compromise with someone who is beneath you, attempt to find connections with like minds, as I suggested literature that people with like minds would gather around, or you remain alone. Unlike you, I would prefer to be alone for a multitude of reasons. You made it clear that you hate being alone, but crave a connection.
So what is the point of the humming and the hawing if you won't do anything that could bear fruit in achieving this purpose?
I admire your dedication to teach this anon something, despite his need to disagree with everything you say. I share some of his worldview, but I have absolutely no clue whether God is real or where the few personal believes I still hold stem from. I used to be the edgy atheist who indeed followed the logic to its endpoint and thought nothing mattered except for myself, but once I was there I quickly realised this would not bring any happiness. I came into contact with a circle of (mostly Catholic) Christians who all seemed far more happy, mature and stable than my (non religious) peers. However, I am having trouble believing in Catholicism and now I feel rather alone in this world where my "peers" share few of my interests and only seem to care for themselves and hedonism, like I used to do. Do you have any advice? I am 21 years old and in university if it matters.
Not him, and didn't read the prior messages, but finding God took me a long time, and I started to see the folly of atheism around age 20, with me really finding God maybe towards age 26-28. I think, based on what you've written, you'll get there on your own, so no need to rush it. But from where I stand now I can tell you I reject the church wholly. I believe in God, and I go back and forth on whether He acts on this world or has sit back to let it play out, I still have a lot of questions and considerations, but in my heart I can say for certain that we're the product of intelligent design, by a being such as God as presented within The Bible.
I do recognize The Bible as the truth, His Word, and I do not believe that anything within it should be viewed through a modern lens. What I mean by that is, now that many sins are normalized I don't think that makes God ok with them. God is timeless, He's existed for all of it, why should 2000 isolated years of progress towards further degeneracy and decline soften His opinion regarding His Law? So that's going to be tricky for you if you come to a similar conclusion, because like me you'll know yourself a sinner and be worried about how you'll be judged, but hopefully utilize that to live better when possible.
I also do believe in Christ Our Savior, but that's more of a personal faith based belief, and I could concede that if I were raised as another faith and came towards spirituality later in life I'd likely revert to those teachings as I've done here. Not denying Christ, I love Him and truly believe in Him, but I don't know how to win you over to that or more accurately help you get there if that's where you're headed. Good luck and white power
Thank you. You're probably right in that I will find some religion later in my life. I feel like I have been stuck in this phase for too long now, about half a year and I have absolutely no idea on how to progress this further.
My current troubles in life are mostly related to social ones. I can pretend to be a normie well enough, it's just that I realise I don't really like hedonism that makes it hard to connect with them. This leads to me having no sense of community and I also worry about finding a good woman. Interacting with those Catholic people has made me realise they are definitely out there, it's just that they really are a community that I don't really belong to, which is probably why I feel a need to "rush" this religious journey along, although this is also definitely characteristic of me. There is also a sense of worrying that I need to repent properly (whatever this means) and join the "right" Church before I die, and there is always a possibility I die in the next few years.
Going to keep offering advice the best I can, full well knowing I wouldn't have accepted it were I in your shoes, but hopefully hearing someone of like mind having successes and failures will be something you can call on when presented with tough questions.
To finding a woman, I can't relate entirely, I met a girl in college, a virgin, married her, had two kids, had enormous differences later in life and I divorced her. Now marrying a girl who's obviously not a virgin, not even close. She's superior to her peers in that regard, but it certainly makes me sad, then again I'm no longer close to a virgin myself. You should always seek, I believe, to find your equal, or your better, but don't have a nice day looking for a better. If you frick a couple girls then don't be surprised when your partner has too, if you haven't fricked any, it's a tough battle, harder for you than it would be for me due to societal change, but look hard for that virgin and consider speeding up your spiritual journey as you mentioned.
Regarding the rush to find God before death, that's what I experienced in my late 20s, so maybe you're ready early. All religion has one thing in common, comfort of death, the idea that we can know what will happen and that things will be ok. That fear of death is what I learned was a spiritual longing, and which I've fed and satisfied with the help of God. Here's what I did that worked: I began praying every night before bed, saying the Our Father prayer. I speak to God at times when things are tough, no response, but I feel heard, it's hard to explain. Anyways, I began praying before I truly believed, and it helped me get there, I'd suggest you try it and see if it impacts you in a positive way. It did for me.
Social I truly can't help you. I had many friends in youth and have none in adulthood. I'm unhappy about it, but I'm more unhappy about my interactions with my peers
>I had many friends in youth and have none in adulthood. I'm unhappy about it, but I'm more unhappy about my interactions with my peers
Can feel you , most people sometimes asks me "how to swallow me" because I come off as anti social as frick , but its more of a mental/brain problem that I have inside , according to therapist the feels are much unbalanced and I feel everything on a much "louder volume" than the average lets say.
Altho I know people and dealing with daily social life is frustrating to me , in the end of the day the ones who know me pretty well know that I need my space and don't take it personal when I make a really big distance from them or just don't speak much , Im appreciate them for it to be honest , but its really a pain when you are in social gatherings and it comes off as first impression and I can't explain it in 5 minutes.
I have prayed before, but I usually do hear/feel an answer coming. I haven't tried reciting prayers, since this feels rather generic to me. I kinda felt I had to pray every night too, thanks for telling me in these plain words. I will start doing it today.
I have had a girlfriend before, but did not have full on sex with her, although we did oral. Kissed a handful of women too. Is it unreasonable to expect a virgin? I do find I have a lot of trouble with accepting a woman's past, probably due to propaganda posted here.
I also have trouble with the "slave morality" which is somewhat inherent in Christianity, also due to posts here. I find it hard to accept everyone as they are, and love my neighbours precisely because I feel disgust at a lot of their actions. This also makes it hard to find a church. Thanks for your advice anon, I deeply appreciate it. I will pray for you tonight too.
Keeping it short but happy to elaborate on anything
I do a prayer and a brief convo for anything else, I think for me it helps to have a routine which is why saying Our Father every night helps
Accepting a woman's past yes I struggle too, but if you can say ok I've done this too I get it, I get the appeal, like say with oral, if you find a virgin who's sucked a guys dick it'll still bother you but I think you can get past it. I struggle greatly with this, and if I were a virgin taking a non virgin would be hard for me, so you are in a bind and I think finding better circles to travel in will help you find a girl who's a match for you.
I don't think this site causes those feelings, I think they're innate, for thousands of years we valued chastity and it's only been undone in the past 100-200 years. You're genetically coded to feel as you do, others are just numbed by their consumed propaganda, in my opinion of course.
Slave morality, I think a lot of this is undone if you focus on a personal relationship with God and reject the church, loving your neighbor is hard for me, I'm a gigantic racist and a misogynist and I judge harshly everyone I meet. But I'm God's wisdom I do believe I'd be happier and better off not doing this, it's just a repeated failing of mine.
Thank you for praying for me anon I'll do likewise for you and I truly wish you the best of luck. Life is very hard. But you have a good head on your shoulders and are contemplating young things many go their whole lives without considering.
My apologies, I forgot to reply to your first post here
I'll try reciting some prayers, and I'll keep it up if it works.
>I think finding better circles to travel in will help you find a girl who's a match for you.
I think so too. I just have a hard time finding those better circles. I don't doubt there is something better in certain churches but I have trouble accepting their way of worship, and even if I was to do so, I don't know which exact church would be right.
>I think they're innate
Probably this site didn't cause those feelings, but I doubt people calling eachother cuckolds all the time is good for coping with the acceptance of women's past. These feelings are definitely innately there, but I think it's rather naive to think they are not increased by spending time on here.
>reject the church
This is basicly what I have been doing so far, but like I mentioned earlier, I would really like to find a religious community to find some traditional minded people who haven't been completely gaslit into thinking certain things are good when even three minutes of contemplation would make one realise they are wrong.
Oh one other thing, one of my biggest pieces of advice is to find a girl less attractive than you. If you find a very good looking woman, life is a struggle. My first wife was better looking than me, not by a ton, but enough that she was given lots of attention and temptation made her resent me as holding her back. If every 7 married a 5 they'd have life on easy mode. Well not every guy, but they'd at least have it easier than 7s marrying a 7 or 7s marrying an 8 or 9. It seems like what youre looking for is so pure and so important, that if you could find it in a girl who's less attractive to you but still someone you're attracted to, you might have greater success. That's sort of what I've done my second time around. So far so good, but cracks take time to show.So I'm advising from plans and scenarios in my head not quite experience.
>Oh one other thing, one of my biggest pieces of advice is to find a girl less attractive than you.
Terrible advice.
>eye in the beholders eye or whatever...
>Terrible advice
It isn't, and with time you'll come to realize it anon. Hope this plants the seed for you to see it in bloom later.
Just because something applies to you and it worked out , doesn't mean it will affect me... we share different visions of what beauty is when it come to choosing our partner in life.
>we share different visions of what beauty is
I'm not talking about some subjective qualification, I'm talking about attractiveness, physical beauty which in my opinion is largely quantifiable. Yes I may view a girl as a ten and you may view her a 8 if we're talking attractiveness alone but we're in agreement the person is quite attractive and if we polled a thousand people the mean would be somewhere between us. I in fact stated prior that if your views of chastity are so important you may hold a virgin in higher esteem than a more attractive prostitute, and I believe to be happy accepting someone who lacks physically but fulfills you spiritually and elsewise would be beneficial. So I think we're arguing something quite similar.
Yeah , apologies , re-read again the post , Im not so sharp right now and mainly focused on this statement.
And I agree with you.
Im the anon you replied to here. I hear the advice for getting a less attractive girl quite often, especially from older guys. I do have a lot of trouble accepting this, because I do suffer from a bit of "2/10 elbows too pointy", since I have serious trouble finding most women attractive. I don't doubt this is largely due to their behaviour, so perhaps if I meet the right person this will change. I dislike tooting my own horn but people do consider me generally attractive, and I would like to have a girl whose in a similar league. Thank you for your advice again.
>Philosophical meandering consisting of endless what-ifs that is not conductive to the topic of the discussion.
Thats your response when pointed out that somebody might be a terrible person and not want to be around people like themselves?!
>Philosophical meandering
Dude. Address the point or ignore it but don't say empty shit like that.
>No.
Where is the argument? There is nothing to address here.
>Nah. I've talked to hundreds of angsty loner-types and most of them have underlying psychiatric issues.
Yeah you seem to be in some kind of pre-programmed state. Which is why some of the responses you are giving me are so "massproduced". As in they directly ignore what I have said and try to fit a shoe that doesn't fit. But since you'v been through the motions so many times you just go into the same song and dance.
>They all become enraged and irritated at the thought of being mentally ill because it invalidates much of their existence.
Sorry, but trying to piss people off on the internet and making them lose their calm is not a sound argument. It does not make you right or prove your point.
Emotionally attacking people has no merit on some argument. Trolling people does not prove your point. Etc. etc.
>I've also seen the anger that builds up when you realize you can't get me with endless rabbit holes. Let's rip off the bandaid anon tell me what you really feel.
You seem kind of desperate to get an emotional response and divert attention from the fact that you are throwing out contradictory "diagnosis" and hoping to see what sticks. Again same as cold person reading, when somebody of the street tries to read your palm and says a bunch of things. With the trick being that people caught up in the act, ignore all of the wrong things the person presented and fixate on the one thing that kinda applied to them"
Same with horoscope reading.
>Thats your response when pointed out that somebody might be a terrible person and not want to be around people like themselves?!
Because it is not the subject of the discussion. We are not talking about why terrible people might not want to be around other terrible people in certain situations. We are talking about your need to find a like-mind who spiritually connects with you and believes as you do.
As I stated before, you want to switch the discussion (ADHD tactic) to lead down rabbitholes as a distraction.
>Where is the argument?
Psychology is complex and this topic is very complex. You want me to explain the psychology when again, this is not the point of the discussion. If you've really got a stick up your ass as to the incomprehensible paradox of hyperfocus and lack of focus you can easily google it. I won't enable this behavior any longer but I'll explain it as thus, just once:
>ADHDoomers can only focus on things that interest them, unlike regular people
>when an ADHDoomer in the earlier stages of his illness finds a topic he enjoys, he will engage in it to the exclusion of everything else, because it gives him more dopamine
Said ADHDoomer was a gifted child, but lazy. He aced all his tests but never did his homework. He didn't "apply himself" as all his middle school teachers told him.
>Yeah you seem to be in some kind of pre-programmed state. Which is why some of the responses you are giving me are so "massproduced"
Human psychology is typically uniform. You dance to the tune of your mental framework. If this pisses you off, too fricking bad.
>trying to piss people off on the internet and making them lose their calm is not a sound argument
Being exposed pisses people off.
>You seem kind of desperate to get an emotional response
I'm the only one in this conversation attempting to get to the root of your malaise while you try to go down endless rabbitholes, and I'm not deceived.
>Obviously people seek for like-minded company.
Did you not consider that somebody might be a really terrible person and thus wouldn't want to be around themselves?
Psychotic, bipolar, etc?
I have doubts those people would want to be with people just like them. And much rather be with people who are more pleasant to be around and exploit.
>This will probably piss you off but it sounds like
> ADHD.
> Hyperfocus.
Aren't those contradictory? One has trouble focusing at any given task and the other focuses on a task so hard involuntarily that they lose track of other things.
>hanging hobbies and ideologies at the drop of a hat.
>Only focusing on things you care about.
Aren't those contradictory? One implies that a person has nothing they really care about and move on from one thing to the other constantly because they don't know what they are. The other implies somebody knows what they are and want and only invest time into that.
Is this some kind of "palm reading" where you "read people" by telling them two completely opposing things and see which one they bait into?
Kinda like saying somebody is very extroverted and also introverted (not word for word but the essential meaning is that). Then seeing which of the two things the person responds to. Then rolling with that "ah yes of course, that is exactly what I meant"?
Comes off as a charlatan that is grasping for straws on reading somebody when they don't have a clue.
on the practical side of things, it makes perfect logical sense as to why seeking people of similar values to yourself is good for your survival. A group or people that share values, have similar goals, rules, principles. They strive towards similar things and avoid similar things.
What better way to maximize ones satifaction in life than that.
So why I seek that is not all that interesting from either spirtual or logical point of view.
>But all the same you lock yourself in because you refuse to align with any one faith.
Indeed. I believe the most moral and right thing to do is to arrive at the answers and path yourself. Through your own thoughts, your own experience. Rather than somebody telling you how things are.
It minizises societal control form any malicious party and maximises ones convictions to hold on to it because after all they arrived to it themselves, through their own thoughts, experiences and choices.
>Everything you've shared about yourself points to the philosophy of Absurdism.
And that would be?
>But there you are doing things merely for the sake of doing them.
I think this is a dishonest interpretation on your part. Or maybe you really do see it that way. Care to explain what exactly you think these actions are?
>Clearly, that isn't enough for you.
Well, aside from one thing in my life, I'm very happy with it.
>I get the feeling that you don't really know what you want,
But I do?
>protest as you might, but it is because of this that you seek some external source of happiness.
"external" source of happiness? How do you even define that?
>That is not natural.
>All people are made to be content unless otherwise provoked.
Where did you get this notion exactly?
Do you believe people are born to just exist with nothing and be okay with it?
>You might want to get a blood panel and see if your hormones are in check.
They are.
>Are you vaccinated?
no
>Are you healthy?
yes
>shouldn't be neglected
who said they are?
then you weed out IST addicts whose mind has slowly rotted from using this place and you no longer exist
Antivaxxers are indeed a lot dumber than vaxxers on a genetic level.
Take. Your. Meds.
maybe that was true when people were humans. Now, they aren't, and it's getting worse every day. Don't believe in such a hell on Earth? You're living in it.
Again, it applies now more than ever, and it applies to you especially.
Damn, it must be hard to be the only self-aware person on a planet of 8 billion people
If I don’t get touch from a female soon my brain is going to force me into a fight with another male to take his female
>taking the woman of another man
I dunno, I could never do that, I always think "Do I want a gf who acts like this?"
Good point, but my primitive monkey brains is past the point of caring and it’s wanting to take over motor functions
I don't get how most people get depressed by being alone. I've never felt 'loneliness' in my life despite being constantly alone and only having one friend that I talk to online on a semi-weekly basis.
Not to fricking good mane
Anyone else just enjoy loneliness? I don't like hanging out with people or socialising. I enjoy my alone time so much more, it's invigorating and refreshing to be alone and focus on my own space and activities. I think I might have schizoid personality disorder though.
I genuinely don't feel bad when alone, I feel good. I love waking up in an empty house, I feel like I have everything how I want it and nobody else can disturb me in my own personal space. Am I the only one?
No you dont
Without internet you'd go insane
Without the comfort of technology you'd be socializing now
Remember anons, comfort kills
>t. Just returned from a beach volleyball game I had with strangers and I'm on the beach by myself
You get used to it, especially when you do hang out with people and all they want to do is get drunk and play video games. At that point I'd rather just sit at home. I don't like drinking or using drugs. Went on a date a year ago with a girl I worked with but that was it, otherwise don't know anyone and tinder doesn't work for me. Over time you become more comfortable by yourself
it affects your hormonal balance
Cortisolchuds it´s so fricking over for us
p. decent but why ruin it with the assisted suicide shit at the end?
>once your brain has been eaten away, it will never heal
The brain is one of the few organs that can heal itself. its called neuroplasticity.
Whatever youre going through thats negatively affecting your brain whether it be drug use or trauma. Dont worry, better days are coming.
grim, and literally me
>it's over for incels
Literal troony post. I don't say that often, but you and the anon in your pic will never EVER be women.
>WORDS WORDS WORDS
lmao not reading all that. Kys if it's just "nooo you can't change :(" shit
Frick this doomer bullshit.
Once I started making more of an effort to put myself out there, I found myself becoming significantly more empathetic.
The parts of the brain are like muscles. They can become atrophied from lack of use, but they can be built back up again if you use them.
Just learn to live with it
If you're a sub 8 male, you're condemned to loneliness your entire life anyway
Even in the incel statistics, 7.5 out of 10 young males score sometimes. Are they all 8/10s?
Pure poison.
I'm a foreigner in my country, I was always a loner back home, but now outside of work I'm a recluse. My coworkers exclude me, despite being cordial and maybe sometimes chatty.
I'm not wanted here, or back home (no family or career in the US.)
It is over and has been over. Planning to kill myself next month.
This is where extensive loneliness + bad habits will lead you.
This just happened on /b/ an hour ago. There are real people like this in large numbers nowadays.
he's even begging for help as he's falling down this spiral. what a morbid picture.
50/50
my body is in constant pain. it doesn't matter how good I may look. I never feel normal except during the 2.4 miliseconds after coming or when I'm lifting or cardiogayging. I don't have a choice when it comes to staying IST.
I have 0 friends, just swim buddies and some guys at the gym I have that 'nod at each other' relationship with.
I get mired on the reg. that's enough female attention for me. whenever I show a girl my true autistic self to a girl they get the ick.
I can get laid by batemanmaxxing, which is what I did in my early to mid 20s, but why bother anymore.
I've had gfs too but I never truly cared for them. I simply enjoyed having my dick and ego stroke. being "the man" in their lives also felt good - it's like looking after a child in a sense.
maybe it's because I was a latchkey kid raised by a "super mom", but I feel like 98% of womyn are pathetically inept at navigating the world.
thank you for reading my blogspot. WAGMI.
My psychological well being, I think, is pretty good.
I try and keep myself and my thoughts in a positive place all the times and near constantly keep myself occupied with positive constructive hobbies and work.
My loneliness, on the other hand. Is very strong. Most of the socialisation I get is from work and some of the people who train at thr same spot as me. I don't really "go out" with anyone to party or a bar and if I do I go alone.
Long for some sort of connection with a woman. But after my last relationship, of seven years, ended horribly. I'm absolutely shit scared.
So I kind of just isolate myself.
Why not just have a good relationship with your parents?
because sooner or later they will die and you will be left alone in this uncaring world
imagine not chudmaxxing in the current year
>ignore women
>death to the family unit
>maximum isolation
>TOTAL CHUD VICTORY
Chudchads, WAGMI
literally me, but at what cost?
>death to the family unit
>chudmaxxing
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I genuinely don't see a reason to keep going except that my mother and brother would be sad if I committed suicide. Not even saying this in a depressed way. Just from a purely logical standpoint I don't understand what keeps most people going.
it's sad how much happier I am when I am in relationship or girl talks to me
I've only stumbled into this like a few times by complete luck.
I'm 30 now 🙁
I've been hung up on a girl but coming to accept she obv not interested and just toying with me.
Whats the end anons? Im 25 in 20 days and never held a girls hand. My days are running out and I dont think much will change. What should I do when I'm 30? If i cant find a gf at my peak I will never find after it. What should I even hope for when I cant even make my own family and make my own bloodline continue?
It's the root to most my problems. Social anxiety is a fricking b***h.
>>How bad is loneliness to your physical well-being?
As bad for all-cause mortality as a pack a day cigarette habit.
for 99% of people it's a death sentence, i am the 1%
Loneliness is my death sentence.
>be me
>turn 30 sept 22
>Have friends
>Have a job
>Have healthy parents
>Have good body (lean etc)
>Break up with gf in Oct 22
Although she had BPD my life with her was just better because i had someone to care for me. now im seeing a mid chick and although she is a good girl she can't spark the fire my bpd ex had. and the fact that she still sends me emails and wants me back and me rejecting her its out of this world. my life is a pure torture at the moment and i really don't know what to do. All my friends hate that b***h but deep down i know i can't live without her. i tried coping with making more money, making a youtube chanel (reached 5k subs in 6 months) but nothing feels the same. the blackpill conquers you at the end.
Even high iq anons from here can't give me advice on what to do. its over bros.......
careful with the BPD b***h. mine pulled the craziest of stunts to get me back / get back at me, and I only probably found about 1/3 of the crazy shit she did since I ghosted her and every acquaintance we had in common.
also
>BPD
>take care of you
homie watt. yes, BPD hoes will make you feel loved. the sex with mine was out of this world and I would compare cuddling it with crawling back into the womb and floating in pure heroin.
but she behaved like a child half of the time, with me running after her and cleaning up all the broken glasses.
okay, in terms of "taking care" she did 2 things for me:
she cooked and looked after my/our nutrition. helped me clean boolk and kick an "office donut" addiction.
she always wanted me to look my best. I can look pretty good when I want to, but sometimes I like to dress like a bum or a moron/different 'characters' (miami vice-core, gopnik, grow a stache and go lalo-core, wear GI glasses, etc.)
example: this time I wanted to wear a hawaiian shirt for my bday party and she threw a tantrum, "forcing" me to wear a plain T that accentuated my muscles.
I would usually carry a spare T in case we had crazy BPD sex in inappropriate places... and by this point this had already happened and the T was drenched in sex juices.
in hindsight she didn't want to be seen with a fat moron, so it was more about her than me.
I’m getting married but I have no friends. I used to. How do I make friends again at 30?
Samesies bro, I'd be your friend if I didn't assume everyone here was a fed trying to p. A. ___t -++- c 0n me. White power and congrats on the wedding brother.
>fitgay for years
>never had more than a conversation at the gym
>started climbing
>now have a small circle of lads that I climb with and occasionally grab a beer with
If I can have friends anyone else ca.
do you ever do anything except drink alcohol?
Yeah we go on hikes, we go on climbing trips, camping etc.
gym is for fizeek gainz
sports are for friendship gainz
Don't blacks play sports?
So anything but hockey, golf and lacrosse
>hate my life
>hate my job
>nothing feels fun any more
>everyday feels like a chore
>still go to the gym consistently
What's it all for? I feel like I'm just going to kill myself anyway. Nothing is getting better and it only gets worse.
i killed myself about five times and when i decided to give life a chance people just made life more dogshit than before.
It never gets better.
People will 100% let you down.
Even if you pointed a gun at their face screaming do not fricking ruin my day, they would still ruin your day and call you homosexual until youd pull the trigger and blow their brains and skull pieces in 360 degrees splatter around them. Then theyd gargle for survival but only because they havent raped the entire world dead yet. Frick em all.
Weirdly accurate thing to hear. It's like humans are made to self destruct and drag down others in their frantic attempts at finding meaning. Like what Schopenhaur said about us being hedgehogs, poking each other with our quills when we approach. To live is to suffer
Based but how'd you have a nice day five times
homosexual
I think it has permanently damaged my brain. When I hang out with family a few times a year, I finally feel normal again, like I was lifted out of a fog. Then it goes away in a day or two.
I know this feel. I used to have it. I'd meet up with my old high school friends 2 or 3 times a year and it was like a veil of stress and worries being lifted off me. I felt willing to live. Then prolonged loneliness through the years ended up doing permanent damage and nowadays even when hanging out I feel covered by the veil, nothing can remove it at this point.
Loneliness destroyed my entire life. It made me have no goals and no desire for anything. 30 years old, I'm a complete loser, a complete moron, a complete cripple unable to function in society.
A good example of how loneliness crippled me was this past weekend. I attended a sports tournament since officiating is really my only social activity. All that were at this tournament were families with hundreds and hundreds of qt teenage girls and makes me think about how I missed all this in my teens which formed the foundation for my lifetime of loneliness. Then we went to dinner at a large food market with tons of people and stands for foods, a bar, etc. All I did was sit there and look at all the normal people being out with their friends and bf/gf/wife/husband/kids and all these qt women and got even more miserable than I already am when I just stay in my room.
It's over for me. Please end it. It never ends.
How old are you anon?
Frick. It must be painful, I know dat feel bro. Do you feel yourself like you`re a complete stranger visiting public places? It happens to me all the time even though I concentrate on a current goal, like a to buy list, current objective etc. But reflecting on my recent visit I tend to think: well, yet another stranger promenade. I know it`s all depressed mind`s tricks but it makes you think.
I had to drop my comfy job as a high school teacher because being surrounded by young hopeful students filled me with regret over wasting my youth away until I suffered a disastrous mental breakdown and left the job. So I wasted not only my youth but also my formative years which were focused on preparing my teaching career.
the worst part of being lonely your entire life is then developing that into just being annoyed by everyone and so you dont even want to try to socialize.
I don't get that lonely but being on this board makes me want to kms
I'll get my name on a research paper before I die
whats the research gonna be
i want my name to be hyphenated with maxwell's name
ghislane maxwell? hell yeah
Been like 16 years since I was last hugged and its all stopped bothering me finally. Now I cant imagine someone wanting to be with me and deal with me.
what an incredibly cute and sovlful image
Rodents are friends yes. Feed local rodents.
This 15 cigarettes a day shit is just God's way of saying
>okay, mabe i fricked up the design with you a lil bit
>but I'll give you a break bro
>you'll just die sooner than the rest of them
See, I fricking told you guys that God loves us.
>physical wellbeing
has no effect
>mental wellbeing
well duh there's a massive effect for most people
>had 2 dreams I had a gf tonight
>can't remember what she looks like
I have to put barriers between me and women because I'll start getting a thing for any woman that shows me any attention. So the only women I be my genuine self around are sweet-hearted married women.
Its pretty bad, also annoying that most people will think youre a weirdo and talk shit about you
But no one shares my interests they're all interested in banal shit like social media. If I could find people likeminded, men who share my hatred of blacks and love for the white race, then I wouldn't be lonely but instead of being racist against Black folk all these dudes are watching softcore porn on their phones 24/7
I am a weirdo though.
its annoying because I can only be so happy on my own, its like it reaches a cap that cant be exceeded without a le woman because it truly satisfies my biology, pets dont compare
Problem solved
Worse than stress, better than physical illness.
It's bad.
It's only bad because it pushes me to post on fit
But that's because I'm in cocoon mode until I build my body so the girls like me again
i have unlearned how to speak in real life by being lonely
so now what? you sound like scooby doo or smthing?
you also lost your sense of logic?
its just really hard to formulate phrases, its kinda like my system panics and the part of my brain that generates speech stops working
my sense of logic also has gone down, im not sure how much but you lose your touch with reality, its good to have people to keep you somewhat in check and your feet on the ground
I dunno how it is for my physical well being, but ever since I met my wife I haven't thought about killing myself every day
>words words words
How about just being happy? everyone wants to be happy, and if you are, your partner will be too