I can only pull 60kg for 5 reps or so, i've been training at this machine for months but i can't pull more weight
On the other hand, I saw another guy doing progressive overload sets, he started with 50kg until pulling 80kg for 10 reps, how is that much difference possible? He was lean and muscular, not a fat beast that can pull full-stack.
Cheat reps, sets of 3-5
Cheat reps on a cable movement is moronic. The whole point of them is better range of motion and deep isolation. Why the frick would you want to do cheat reps on them.
less chance of an injury
>mfw throwing your back out doing cheat barbell rows
Yes, however, cheat reps on back exercises are necessary. If you're not doing some cheating on pull ups, cable rows, or shrugs you're just going to stay small and weak.
Weakling
Why would you stop a set just because you can’t complete a full rep with perfect form? You can still bang out the lengthened partials, or get some hip hinge involved and control the negative. Who cares exactly how much you can lift on exercises like this? It’s just way too hard to standardize ROM. Just use pullups with good form to gauge your pull strength instead.
These Black folk will tell you youre doing 0 reps on a pulldown machine as the weights hit the stack between reps, then go on to do “strict” pulldowns with half the ROM and half the weight
Cheat reps means you can't lift the weight
If you can't lift the weight you're egolifting
If you're egolifting you're going to snap city
Sorry but all you're doing is encouraging people to injure themselves
Post body pls
The strength curve on a strict row sucks.
Using some level of momentum can even it out so you can keep going, it all depends on what the 'cheating' is and the lift.
Overly strict bent over rows are pointless, pull-ups should be strict, use your head to figure out why
Nobody's fricking lats or traps are going to snap city kid.
Yea dude, you know better than bodybuilders that cheat cable rows and lat pulldowns. It's easy af to cheat pull exercises while keeping the work focused where it should be you little baby
cheating is fine. You cheat a higher weight and then do the reps cleaner the next couple times
I never feel shit doing cable rows
I don't like them either. I don't really like any cable pulling exercises tbdesu, the plate-loaded row/pulldown machines feel much better (plus pull ups and inverted rows, of course)
This is not an exercise that you should actively try to "improve" on.
Your focus for strength and amount of weight moved should be on free weight movements like pendlay rows, Weighted chin ups, one arm rows.
Cable movements should just be a thing you do for easy extra volume, never a main movement It doesn't matter if you're doing 60kg for 15 reps or 70kg for 15. Just do whatever feels doable. If it's feeling easier it means your strength work is working.
>This is not an exercise that you should actively try to "improve" on.
lol
>Your focus for strength and amount of weight moved should be on free weight movements like pendlay rows, Weighted chin ups, one arm rows.
lol
>Cable movements should just be a thing you do for easy extra volume, never a main movement
lol
Get a load of this guy
He is right, some lifts aren't meant to be aggressively progressed in terms of numbers. It's a secondary lift to bent over rows and weighted pull-ups or pull-downs.
>He is right
lol
>some lifts aren't meant to be aggressively progressed in terms of numbers.
lol
>It's a secondary lift to bent over rows and weighted pull-ups or pull-downs.
lol
Dumb and dumber over here
It’s a horizontal pull down, anon.
I don’t know if what you said is true for powerlifting but it isn’t for body building.
Any row is for building back thickness.
OP asked for strength though so your paint might be very valid to him.
Still I want to point out:
In bb any exercise is just a tool to be applied when feasible. Dont wanna do heavy deadlifts bc injury danger? Fine. Prefer hack squads over reg squads because they isolate legs and thus fatigue less and target specific focus area? Fine!
Can’t do bench press anymore because shoulder pain? Fine, use a machine instead.
Just tools, anons, just tools as far as bb goes
why not just use dumbbells and barbells
at least you're lifting some weight that actually transfers into being useful in real life
It's the same
i think both parties are correct here. who knows what someones level of skill is. getting strong on this leads to barbell stuff eventually.
>transfers into being useful in real life
someone post it
I just said frick it and got some straps and now I pull 80kg for 12 reps
Probably do more next week
hold it for two seconds at the top then let it back down slowly. time under tension is massive for power development, I stated holding my cable rows for 2 sec at the top and after a few months i'm rowing my bw for reps.
you could try doing isometric sets with weights you can't do many reps with. this might fatigue your arms pretty heavily though. you could do like.
like ten reps at something you feel comfortable with with. then a heavier weight that maybe you can only pull one time. you pull it and hold it for as long as you possibly can and then control the eccentric. go down again and get more volume. or keep doing isometrics. i like both
Change it up, homie. Try any of the following to see if it helps:
1. Try doing sets with slow 5+ second negatives.
2. Try going heavier for a bit, then back to normal working weight in a few months. Maybe move to doing 3x5 with 70-75kg, get to where that weight isn't too hard to hit reps after 4-8 weeks, then, drop back to 60kg and see if you can hit MORE reps with it as may well happen.
3. Try holds or 1.5 reps. For holds, just try to do a 2-3 second hold at the full contraction on each rep. For 1.5 reps, it's just like it sounds - do a full rep, then, do a half rep (just the part from full pull to chest, then, let it back slowly halfway, pull back, do a full rep, then repeat.
Mostly, it sounds like you just need to change your shit up a bit. Or, micro-load, put a 2.5 or 5 lb. plate on the 60 kg, build to where you're hitting sets cleanly with it, then microload more and repeat.
Lots of ways to get through sticking points. But, make sure your nutrition and sleep are solid, or, it'll probably do you minimal good.
Maybe you're just really weak.
i feel this in my back real nice. not so much with lat pulls though :/ just can’t get the mind muscle connection there
What is the reason why you cant row more? Is your grip failing you or actually its the back?
Im not sure, i guess it's the back, when i try to pull more weight my arms just can't pull it, like i can't do the movement, so it has to be the back i think