From the obese down to those just carrying some extra fat they'd like to shed, there's almost unanimous agreement that sugar is evil, while fat is fine, because supposedly low fat gov recommendations (which no one followed) caused obesity (through increased carb intake).
But at some point you have to wonder, all of these people struggling with weight, trying to minimize sugar consumption without concern for fat consumption... and they're still fat.
What if the "fat makes you fat" thing really is true?
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Of course fat can make you fat, it's easy to consume too much of it because it tastes good and is very calorie-dense.
>muh calories
3000 calories of carbs will increase your energy expenditure and make you lean. meanwhile 3000 calories of fat will make you obese like ketoschizo
>3000 calories of carbs will increase your energy expenditure and make you lean.
Yes I often see people finish their goyslop and start jogging.
What do you think the kenyan sprinters eat buddy
Historically they would've eaten all meat
Nobody asked
Nobody has ever eaten an all meat diet stop with this nonsense
look at old menus. theyre almost all meat
They aren't and your wrong
>Restaurants serve the natural diet of mankind
>HISTORICALLY THEY WOULD'VE ALL EATEN MEAT!!!
>Rome
>In the period of the kings and the early Republic, but also in later periods (for the working classes), the cena essentially consisted of a kind of porridge, the puls. The simplest kind would be made from emmer, water, salt and fat. A more sophisticated variation was made with olive oil, and consumed with an accompaniment of assorted vegetables when available. The wealthy commonly ate their puls with eggs, cheese, and honey and it was also OCCASIONALLY served with meat or fish.
Human history is hundreds of thousands of years. Mostly meat most of that time
>OCCASIONALLY
Sounds like a word that was added because the author was biased. It was most commonly eaten with fish and meat. Meats, especially cold cuts during lunch, were a regular part of meals in Rome.
3000 pure fat cals wont even fill you up
have a nice day, moxyte.
>3000 calories of carbs will increase your energy expenditure and make you lean. meanwhile 3000 calories of fat will make you obese like ketoschizo
CICO doesn't work, confirmed.
It's officially over for CICOlets.
It's finally over.
>3000 calories of carbs will increase your energy expenditure and make you lean
no it will make you diabetic. very few people will exert so much energy to control their blood sugar on that. but technically speaking high carb diets work better than high fat diets because glucose gets used for energy faster than fat does.
No. It's not true. They're still fat because they eat too much, they're too sedentary, and they still eat mostly garbage. The only way to get fat is to eat too much. Sugar contributes because in too large quantities, the resulting large insulin spike makes you sedentary, hence less likely to get up and move.
>3000 calories of carbs will increase your energy expenditure
It won't. That rule only applies to protein.
> make you lean
Only if your daily caloric expenditure is sufficiently greater than 3000 calories. Though given that the consumption is all carbs, you're likely deficient in a few vitamins necessary for the metabolism since they are not found in carb sources. Your metabolism would actually suffer as a result of eating an all carb diet if you hadn't eaten other sources of nutrition each day. The deficiency in protein would also mean that you'd get flabbier since you'd lose muscle being unable to maintain it.
This why you dont eat 1K calories milkshakes your local drive thru goyslop sells
It's all CICO you moron.
There is no magical category that makes you fat.
Look what changed over time.
People eat more cereals, more added sugar, and more added fat (vegetable oil) than they used to, and now they're obese as frick.
fat makes you fat, CICO doesn't work
Kys Moxyte.
>Kys Moxyte.
you're not funny, my dude. forced memes are always cringe
Wasn't "CICO doesn't work" one of the "ketoschizo's" mantras? Jesus Moxyte, not only are you a projecting schizo, you are also a directionless israelite.
I've given up on trying to explain this to the morons on this board. It's much more fun to sit back and watch the bicker with each other over which on of their moronic theories holds more water.
I've become a fat accelerationist
CICO isn't everything. Factor in the hormonal response, do you know what glycemic load is?
It's not impossible to become fat on a high fat diet, but less than 1% of fat people are fat because of eating fat.
then why is jimmy moore obese?
Moxyte is a busy bee this morning huh? Too bad you’re not busy killing yourself.
Kys Moxyte.
He secretly binges on carbs, which makes him fat.
Why do all of those dudes look like shit?
because that's the average person
They are female to male trannies
1. Several have mastectomy scars under their breasts.
2. Feminine faces
3. Many have small female skulls
4. Small hands
5. The one lying on the ground has small girl feet.
You know, I actually wouldn't have noticed, at least until I realized they all had the scars. FTMs have it way easier.
Reddit actually got fooled and though they were all actual men, apart from some people detecting the troony on the right with the glasses.
CICO is everything, CICO is essentially energy in energy out, or maybe you're a scientist and have found evidence which contradicts the first law of thermodynamics? No? Ok moron then shut the frick up
geez i wonder why, maybe because fat is already fat, an excellent source of energy, while protein isn't and has to be converted into fat before it can be stored as fat you absolute fricking moron.
Proteins are build building blocks, not fuels like fats or carbs. Getting fat off protein is basically impossible. It's either fat or carbs that make you fat.
*Carb calories
We got fatter after the low-fat craze.
That being said, it still is CICO by large. You just gotta make sure to eat plenty of protein and be sparing on carbs OR fats. OMAD works well enough for this.
>We got fatter after the low-fat craze.
People never actually made an effort to lower their fat consumption though
>eat 8k kcal a day
>take a hacksaw and cut your arm off
Here you go, weight loss at a massive calorie sulprus, laws of thermodynamics broken.
CICO isn't everything. People don't want to just lose weight, they want to lose fat. Someone with higher insulin on average will lose more muscule as insulin controls store/release of energy in fat cells. Muscule uses more energy than fat so that's an even worse compound loss. Same CI can result in different CO - type of energy consumed influences metabolic rate.
And of course CI influences CI. Being less hungry on the same amount of calories is better
Lmao you're fricking stupid, how low is your IQ? 30? That's the dumbest shit I've read today
Cico isnt everything but it is over 90%, so for practical reasons its negligeable
You can have some cornercases with keto/fasting/all meat where its scewed into one direction, or things like 1g of uranium wont make you instantly 1000kg overweight.
If yyou follow regular diet its the best predictor for weight change. The end
>eat more fat
>fat handles the energy needs
>carbs gets stored as fat
Still cico
>It's all CICO you moron.
The overfeeding literature contradicts this.
Protein excess calories are the least likely to be stored as fat, while excess fat calories are the most.
This is true.
This is also true though and they don't contradict each other. The only people that day cico is false are idiots that turn it into a strawman.
It's all press on the gas pedal moron.
There is no magic category that makes your car go.
Look at what changed over time.
Car go faster, more added gas, and more added engine than they used to and now car go fast as frick.
This is what you sound like. You are standing at the peak, on both graphs, dunning kruger and bell curve.
>There is no magic category that makes your car go.
But that's wrong. If you put shitty gasoline or, like, jet fuel into your car, it won't work as well or at all. Just like with the body. Conveniently, sugar in the gas tank kills both cars and humans.
> If you put shitty gasoline or, like, jet fuel into your car, it won't work as well or at all.
Okay, so would you say there's more to nutrition and health than simply calories in and calories out?
To health yes. To weight loss no. The issue is morons conflating the two.
>To health yes. To weight loss no
The human body is an open system, so you're wrong to even assume no. You're fricking moronic.
Open in what way?
Hormonal differences and shit, hence why some people can still look shripped as frick while eating McGoyslop all day while others can just barely not be fat by autistically eating salads to meet their TDEE.
Consumption of anything is inextricably linked for both health and weight loss.
Drink caffeine from black coffee and your metabolism will increase a little bit, that means that that you expend more energy than the calories in the coffee.
Drink cyanide and the mitochondria in your cells will die, that's less healthy than the caloric content of cyanide. The inability to distinguish the necessity of specificity when referring to what you consume is where most people stand, and sure saying calories in calories out is easy, but it's no better than saying press on gas make car go fast.
Yeah, and if I shoot myself in the head, my TDEE becomes negative as other shit eats me. Great weight loss tip!
Remind me of the part where you consume the bullet and it affects your endocrine system in any way?
Carbohydrate consumption blocks leptin signalling (the satiety hormone) which leads to binge-eating and hyperinsulinemia/hyperglycemia, which leads to muscle wasting + lipogenesis + glycation + cell dysfunction due to insulin resistance, which leads to chronic ailments such as diabetes, CVD, stroke, dementia, etc. and minor debilitations such as IBS and other inflammatory diseases.
Weird that fruit has so few % considering its more calorie dense than vegetables
That's just for dumb middle aged trophy wives who need a bogeyman for everything because they're incapable of navigating concepts that aren't entirely linear. Sugar, saturated and trans fats are bad. Polyunsaturated is healthy and comes in small amounts. Monounsaturated is tolerable. Cholesterol is a non-issue as long as you have good blood pressure and fitness. Sugar is cancer. Any kind of artificial additive may as well be agent orange. This is as complicated as it has to be
>Sugar is cancer
I think moderation is the key, I feel like diet fads are like religion, people are seeking for a quick solution to all of their problems. Nothing that isn't sustainable will work. People need to learn to cook good food for themselves so they don't get cravings for junk.
"all of these people struggling with weight, trying to minimize sugar consumption without concern for fat consumption... "
There are literally none of them. Can't trust a fatty to stick to a diet. They may claim to have minimized sugar, but the ubiquity of added sugars in the American food supply means that only the most informed, disciplined eaters manage to minimize sugar.
>Can't trust a fatty to stick to a diet.
Yep. They're all obese because they're stupid, lying, and weak.
I hate them.
>What if the "fat makes you fat" thing really is true?
Umm because we know what happens when the body consumes simple carbs, insulin spike and fat storage. That does not happen when consuming fats. We know it is a primary contributor to diabetes too.
We know people through history who have consumed high fat diets, and were not fat. Meanwhile sugar in then excess scale we see today has never been seen.
500 calories of fats vs sugar has a massively different impact upon the body.
And if you want to keep it to the bodybuilding side, Arnie and the golden era of guys would drink glasses of full fat milk cream as part of their diet.
There is no doubt to me sugar and simple carbs are the culprit.
t. Didn't pass high school biology
I love avocado so much is unreal. I dont eat sugar or proccesed foods since i realize how clean, smooth and young my skin was after 3 weeks without sugar. That is my only motivation kek, never fricking again
mmmm yummy sugar
xhe eats a high fat diet, ketoschizo
>He expects the sugar to instantly dilute itself without stirring the Pepsi
He can't even be good at being a fat frick.
Glad i dont live in america where they even put sugar into salads
mmmm yummy sugar for my tummy wummy
The most annoying thing about this webm to me is the proportion of seafood to spaghetti. It appears to be only only muscles and a dismal amount for that portion. If that was served for a table of people (which obviously it would be if that was a normal menu item) I would be furious.
Fat provides much better satiety. Obviously though if you keep eating fatty food after you feel full, it will become a problem.
All these debates about fat, carbs, sugar etc is meaningless. Fatties just need to eat less.
I have started to log what I am eating recently. Aiming for about 3000 kcal a day at 6'0 172 lbs, and its honestly a struggle. I naturally eat closer to 2000-2500, and have to put in quite a bit of extra effort to reach that number. Most days I don't. I have also noticed how I almost never get enough carbs, even though I am eating large portions of pasta, rice, potatoes, sweet potatoes or whole wheat bread. The frick are these carb-loading people eating?
Fatties somehow have no issue gorging themselves everyday. Not only is it a highly expensive hobby, it also requires quite a lot of time and effort spent on eating. If they just stopped with their hobby of stuffing their fat lard stomachs everyday and ate like a normal human, they wouldn't be fat anymore.
kys moxyte
Is moxyte in the room with us right now? Keto must make you schizophrenic at this level of schizo-posting.
That one anti-keto głowie schizoid incoming
Calories make you fat. You need moderate fat to keep your testosterone from tanking
Very high protein + moderate fat + remainder carbs is the widely agreed upon cutting meta
If you’re on TRT/roiding, you don’t need to worry about your natural testosterone (because it’s already 0) so you can eat less fat and more carbs
>You need moderate fat
stopped reading, you don't need fat unless you want cancer and diabetes
>Moxyte misinfo
>classic Moxyte image with same file name
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19641727/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6371871/#:~:text=Ketogenic%20diets%20can%20help%20patients,10%20kg%20with%20any%20diet.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7641470/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2690585/
https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/0003-4819-140-10-200405180-00007
>all of these people struggling with weight, trying to minimize sugar consumption without concern for fat consumption... and they're still fat.
Key word is "trying" and they're rarely trying hard.
Both refined sugar and refined fat make you fat. If you eat sugar and fat in the form of naturally occurring foods, you’re unlikely to get fat.
When I eat carbs I just want to eat more. When I eat fat I feel full. I don't complicate it beyond that because it's worked for me to lose weight.
Carbs bloat you and you feel fat. Lardies interpret that as actual fat even though it’s really just water and glycogen.