How did men develop this type of natty physique hundreds of years ago without roids, proper exercise equipment that we have now, all the advanced nutrition and dieting knowledge, advanced workout techniques that we've developed over centuries or any of that shit? Did they know something we don't?
They did physical work every day, mostly carrying stuff from one place to another, doesn't matter if farmer, warrior, sailor or athlete.
aside from farmers carry, what other carry exercises can I incorporate to get a core like that?
Sailor carries
That doesn’t get you ripped.
>carve an adult male
>give him a baby wiener
Why?
Greeks believed a big wiener meant low intelligence. Now we know this is true. Case in point:Black folk.
But nobody cares about intelligence. I'd rather have a ginormous wiener that smacks people when I turn around and explodes women from the inside out when I orgasm than have a brain
And unfortunately you ended up with neither
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Greeks literally did not think that. They were depicting men performing rigorous physical exercise, warfare, etc, where blood flows to the limbs & core rather than the dick. Also, classical and archaic greeks were from more northerly climates, and so had "growers", not "showers". So if anything, it is correct to say greeks had a form of hyper realistic art (relative to other ancient art). Dionysus is depicted as well-endowed in sexual art, it's just that most of the art that survived the christian era depicted more heroic figures than sexual.
>Also, classical and archaic greeks were from more northerly climates
this is a post from someone suffering from AIDS due to HIV brain rot
Artsy, upper class types thought monster wiener = wild and barbarous, not the type of person you want typifying ""civilisation""". I guess the idea is that someone with a horsewiener would be controlled by it, while someone with a flaccid wieney must be the one in control with their big clever brain.
That's wrong, though. They often depicted their oriental neighbours with large penises, the Syrians, Egyptians, Anatolians, etc. These cultures were much older than the Greeks' and they were also considered to be intelligent but effeminate and weak. These things were connected, their weakness and their well-endowedness, as the East was characteristically decadent and luxurious. The Greeks considered themselves rugged and continent, which to them meant the precisely the same thing as masculine. It was for this reason they percieved a large penis to be ugly, though they did think a proportionally long prepuce to be beautiful.
>Greeks
>depicting foreigners as more desirable than themselves
"Weak" doesn't mean "low T" to a group of people where "strong" means intelligent and civil.
The Greeks definetly knew what manliness and strength were. By all metrics they were much manlier than us. However, crucially, the identified manliness with enkrateia, self-mastery, whence comes the conclusion that an excessive desire and partaking in sexual gratification was effeminate. Bodily, too, they believed to much emissions and experience of pleasure weakened a man. The Greeks considered themselves the greatest amongst all the peoples of the cosmos, they simply genuinely thought a smaller penis was more beautiful.
True
t. LWD
The cope is unreal
The israeli brain rot is very real in you
Black folk don't have big dicks
>he actually believes this
and yeah black women don’t have giant, over exaggerated sexual features either.
moron.
i hate the bbc memes, pajeets, and israelites just as much as everyone else but this is pure cope.
Greeks believed an engorged phallus was indicative of effeminate incontinence.
I might be outing myself here but unironically isn't that how a flaccid penis is meant to look like?
No.
Yes, although the flaccid size can vary by temperature it's only slightly smaller proportionally, and it may look that way because other body parts are emphasized proportionally, otherwise it's just cope from guys who think their half chub is their flaccid size, or of course the "shower" cope which doesn't exist either, everyone is a grower, flaccid pps are supposed to be "small".
Cope. It can be 0 degrees outside. My dick never shrinks to where it sits on top my nuts like a cat I'm a cozy spot
My dick always hangs low. When I get hard I get bigger so it's not like I'm some shower either
>the "shower" cope which doesn't exist either,
okay dicklet. now you’re just spreading misinformation because you have a tiny penis.
That looks achievable natural. It's called constant manual labor. Also, that statue is probably now what the average guy looked like. Ever heard of survivorship bias?
probably not*
So what did athletes of that time do? Just carry stones and throw heavy shit around?
Actual athletes did do training like that and it has been recorded in both ancient Rome and ancient Greece. I think Egyptians did it too, and during Medieval Europe in military conditioning and training.
Using barbells is just more ergonomic.
>survivership bias
This. If they had to build a statue for this DYEL, imagine what the average guy must've looked like...
>proper exercise equipment that we have now, all the advanced nutrition and dieting knowledge, advanced workout techniques that we've developed over centuries or any of that shit?
pointless shit to sell to normies
Doryphoros etc. were supposed to be IDEALISED. Nobody ACTUALLY looked like this...
Sounds like cope brother. If nobody actually looked like then then how the hell did they know what a ripped body looked like, huh?
They had like 10x the amount of testosterone back then, compared to the soibois of today.
homie do you really think they looked like this? they could've sculpted themselves to look like anything
Oh yeah, then why didn't they sculpt themselves to look like 8 eyed aliens? Because they've never seen that shit. If they sculpted something it means they saw it somewhere.
Well I read that they took the best parts of different people and sculpted them.
>proper exercise equipment that we have now,
Black person your "proper exercise equipment" is a fricking DYEL scam bullshit, free weights and galisthenics are by far superior to any of your fancy (and homosexual) machines.
I do lift free weights though. But what calisthenic exercises can I do at home without any bars and shit? I do have a pair of push up bars though.
What makes you think that greeks did not have gym equipment? Their whole fricking culture revolved around masculine virility and military prowess.
You don't need any gym equipment at all to get that kind of physique.
In the early 20th century fit people only did gymnastics and looked like this.
There was one British officer in a concentration camp for 5 years and he looked like this.
>In the early 20th century fit people only did gymnastics and looked like this.
Early 20th century fit people had gym equipment.
>There was one British officer in a concentration camp for 5 years and he looked like this.
Fricking concentration camps had gym equipment. For the more "valuable" prisoners only of course, but british officer POWs would be such if anyone.
>what calisthenic exercises can I do at home without any bars and shit?
Lmao guys this homie has never seen a roughly horizontal tree branch.
>tree branch
Not where I live, I ain't.
>a fricking bedouin
It's called living in a major urban area.
and you can't find anywhere to exercise? wtf
>pull ups, there's always something you can use
>burpees, dands
>split squats, just grab something heavy to hold, I did it with big water canister
etc. plenty of moves
Just burpees alone will get you into shape if you just do a shitton of them.
Brother go to a construction site, a big chunk of them never stepped foot inside a gym and they look like this, decent muscle mass + lean
what are you talking about? construction sites are full of scrawny sinewy speedy gonzales mexicans and fat drunk mexicans. if there is any muscle under there it can't be seen.
>a big chunk of them never stepped foot inside a gym and they look like this
lmfao no they dont. they look like busted up men with scraggy beards and damaged bodies. one week of constuction work can frick your body up long term.
T. did 2 days very light work. construction was fine maybe 50 years ago, i dont mind the work, but nowadays, its just a job for low iq people and rough people. similar to what happend to kitchen jobs. demographics fricked the job, not the job is bad or anything.
most construction workers look like shit
Have you ever been to a construction site mate
That's body type is entirely achievable for an adult man who gets proper nutrition and does daily physical labor. Only slightly above average. It's also idealized. Artists of antiquity didn't depict their subjects as they literally were, they depicted their idealized form. That means this statue depicts an achievable aspiration, not reality. Greek satues are the ancient equivalent of photoshopped models on magazine covers today. I will never understand why the redpilled statue demographic believes that ancient Greek art is somehow representative of what actual regular Greeks looked like at the time. It's absolutely not. Your average Greek peasant would have been skinny and exhausted just like every other subsistence farmer in human history.
At best you will look like a farmer after 10+ years of physical labor.
Build on that with 30%bf for strength and there you go.
Not really "athletic fit".
Higher class people usually did military service and trained long marches, combat and bodyweight conditioning to look like OP's pic.
>Higher class people usually did military service and trained long marches, combat and bodyweight conditioning to look like OP's pic.
Not at all. They trained the pentathlon, sprinting 200m, wrestling, throwing the discus, throwing the javelin, broad jump.
>It's also idealized. Artists of antiquity didn't depict their subjects as they literally were, they depicted their idealized form. That means this statue depicts an achievable aspiration, not reality.
And it still happens to this day. Picrel is extremely common. Making a statue of someone where you can clearly tell it's them but slightly better looking. No one bats an eye at this but they do at the opposiy (like that bust of ronaldo that became a meme).
Watched a video on gladiator training, the romans understood a lot,
a careful balanced diet,
a 4 day training cycle with one heavy training day and a rest day right after,
They understood all cardio vs all heavy weight training vs balanced medicine ball style training. And what each would result in.
Hell They had proto kettle bells.
If you look at those statues irl they're pretty DYEL, about what you would expect from a multi-discipline track athlete, which is kinda how they trained.
he looks like an average manlet
>How did men develop this type of natty physique hundreds of years ago without roids
This type of physique can only ever be attained naturally. The model did not have balloon delts, bulging traps, wiry skin or varicose veins. Everything was proportional.
>proper exercise equipment
The ancient Greeks had their own versions of exercise equipment, among them, primitive versions of dumbbells called halteres (the same word used to describe modern dumbbells in Greek).
>advanced nutrition and dieting knowledge
Such as? Ashwagandha? Tongkat Ali? Or any other meme supplement shilled by youtubers?
>advanced workout techniques that we've developed over centuries
Ancient Greeks were immensely invested in athleticism and sports, it would be moronic to discredit their own methods of training as less than advanced.
In conclusion, as a recreational practitioner, you don't need to overthink your training and diet when it comes to fitness. The Greeks figured that out more than two thousand years ago. Eat plenty of animal protein, train regularly with modest intensity, stay active throughout the day and rest well. That's all there is to it. Optimisation is good but it can lead to obsession and analysis paralysis, the last thing you need when you are not dependent on your physique to make a living. Just b urself :^)
based advice great thread
Thanks boyo
good post
They knew what to eat and when and what should be avoided
They had gyms and knew that if you lifted progressively heavier objects you would see progress
Exercise is not complicated, even a moron can figure it out. Most people here are absolute autists, and autists have a tentency to overcomplicate simple activities.
What kind of question is this. If a healthy young man or teenage boy spent a few years doing physical training he could look like this. A lot of teens hop on juice sure but there are naturals now that are more muscular than these statues
>physically working since you are able to walk
>manlet sized
>statues are marvel heroes posters of antiquity
>less processed diet
something like that
marsbros how the frick did earthlings look like this 500 years ago? they depicted this in their art therefore they must have looked like this
That is clearly a natty physique, what are you even talking about?
If you take roids and only look like that, you are a genetic failure.
Greek aesthetics>
I am determined achieve that distinctive thick abs look of Greek statuery. Doing side bends and high ROM roman chair sit ups right now. My working theory is that you want to stretch the abs as much as possible, basically the opposite of what Vince Geronda did, to induce the plate-like appearance and avoid washboard abs.
Do heavy overhead presses STANDING. They really stress the abs in a good way. The slight layback that goes into a heavy presses requires powerful isometric or quasi isometric contraction of the abs and thickens the body.
Also, wearing a belt allows for bigger abs to grow. The abs contract against the belt, which relaly gives them a workout. You can contract the abs HARDER and LONGER agasnt a belt than you can without it. Thsi also hypertrophies the abs.
looking good, natty? Routine? how long you lift?
that's literally a baseline physique if you workout with resistance. At that time it'd probably have been pulling things, lifting things, etc
He's also lean, that's what makes him look good
Those guys were 5'0" on average.
>Angel's anthropological studies of Greek skeletal remains give mean heights for Classical Greek males of 170.5 cm or 5' 7.1" (n = 58) and for Hellenistic Greek males of 171.9 cm or 5' 7.7" (n = 28), and his figures have been corroborated by further studies of material from Corinth and the Athenian Kerameikos.22 I have been able to estimate the (weighted) mean height of (deceased) Italian adult males at 168.3 cm (5' 6.4"), by synthesizing the results of 49 separate studies, based upon the measurement of long bones from 927 adult male skeletons from throughout Italy dated between 500 B.C. and 500 A.D.23
>927
wow............ the sample is so big.........
Finding 927 skeletons from 2000 years ago aint exactly easy
> everyone 6000 years ago looked exactly like this stylized piece of art created 500 years ago
you morons are hopeless
>Sugar and 'foods to be avoided' simply weren't invented or mass produced.
>Purely manual labour. No electricity, engines, machines or automobiles.
>No internet
>Actually concured and journeyed.
>Had to fight for existence
Gymnastics
These are, in general, 5'9" guys at 160lbs on a natural diet with exercise.
I mean some grains (spelt grain bread) with fish, eggs, and good fats, olive oil, factor in basic more athletic living then, and you get that statue.
It's something I have studied for like 25 years, and is an interest in mine. But it is not something magical.
In short, we see the past such as that as something different, reality is, we are the difference. We are the 0.1% of human existence with an abundance of food, calories, and an exploitation of simple sugars leading to obesity.
Note to remember, the bible itself, 2 thousand years ago, middle east, not the best of food, or medical knowledge, puts the average age of death at 70. People were not as weak, stupid, nor as young as modern day (false) beliefs show them to be.
They probably lifted weights and ate a lot of protein. It's not that fricking complicated anon.
they worked out
What makes you think men looked like that? It's a statue portraying what the ideal physique would look like. It's not a still life portrait of some average guy.