How did people get it into their heads that replacing heavy compound movements with ‘optimal’ machine/cable movements is somehow best for hypertrophy?
Has to be a psyop. Nothing gayer, to be frank.
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How did people get it into their heads that replacing heavy compound movements with optimal machine/cable movements is somehow best for hypertro...
They tried to use a scalpel instead of a claymore. You do the big compounds first to get a shitload of stimulus and then after that you do the "optimal" targeted work to squeeze out more stimulus and total weekly volume without a shitload of fatigue
Personally I'm glad that I got fad'd into doing cable lateral raises & cable reverse flys. They're more effective than the dumbbell alternative & that's a fact.
I’d like to agree but for some reason doing lateral raises with 75s with momentum and okish form gives me better hypertrophy than cable lateral raises
Its just roided out moron advice. If you're natty your goal should just be building general mass through heavy compound movements. Otherwise get on gear and do push downs and get freaky triceps to impress other men
>If you're natty your goal should just be building general mass through heavy compound movements.
This
>building general mass
like git fat kid? no, never get fat kids
>heavy compound movements
i have better name:
HEAVY
TECHNICAL
COMPLEX/COMPLICATED
MOVEMENTS
IN moronic JOINT ANGLES because ur hands are tied with heavy stick AND UR WRISTS ARE LOCKED IN ONE ORIENTATION
Dorian Yates did both
>both
Cables and machines are fine
What I’m seeing however is tons of people saying DON’T bench, deadlift, barbell squat, and just do machines bro it’s optimal
If you think heavy ass low incline smith machine bench, ATG hack squats, RDLs, aren't awesome lifts then you're a dummy
>If you think heavy ass low incline smith machine bench, ATG hack squats, RDLs, aren't awesome lifts then you're a dummy
i think u shouldn't tie ur hands with heavy stick - that's plain moronic, u're just fake robotized traffic bot 😀
Take your meds
engage in conversation bot (pretend to) or royally frick off
that:
is also me
>DON’T bench, deadlift, barbell squat,
i DON"T and i'm liking it more by the day, barbell movements are so stupid it's criminal they are shilled as remedy for all world ills
last thing i did with bb were rows - very strict with 50 kilos sets of 20 - bicep tendinitis would not go literally for years and i was wondering what is causing it, now i know 😀
if u'll be nice to me bot i will tell ya how i grew fraction of an inch (i did'n't it was always there i just didn't use it...), but it's on u bot to make it nice
>doing sets of 20 with 110lbs and getting tendinitis from it
Bro you’re weak as frick
Bragging about 50kg what has happened to fit
You don't need to do the exact standard deadlift, back squat and flat bench, but using heavy freight compound movements is almost essential, especially for beginners.
>How did people get it into their heads that replacing heavy compound movements with ‘optimal’ machine/cable movements is somehow best for hypertrophy?
exact opposite is true bot, dorian blew biceps doing just that, then he got fake "win" lol
for back I've seen more progress from cable machines than pull ups and bent over rows
Those movements require practice, neurological efficiency, and you dont get good at the movements with your little gay duty routines.
My pull ups improved so much from just doing them everyday
Just do what you like and put effort into it, being obsessed with what's "optimal" or not is a major DYEL-ism or the behavior of some fraud fitness influencer trying to sell you something.
Okay bro you keep curling the 20s while I triple my strength
I can lat raise 50lb for reps/sets you're nothing to me
>tripling my strength
Congrats from going from curling 5s to curling 15s
You realise you also gain strength when training for hypertrophy right?
it's a psyop, aka slick marketing of the machines
>How did people get it into their heads that replacing heavy compound movements with ‘optimal’ machine/cable movements is somehow best for hypertrophy?
Maybe it's by noticing for the past 30 years that the biggest, most aesthetic and proportionate guys are those using machines for relatively light weight and high reps while the dyel's doing only compounds look like shit -- when they're not injured, that is.
not even sure if this is bait
if it's not, you're so pathethic, you're so fricking dumb that it's beyond all reason
i love how people defend machines and cables like they're not just a result of clever marketing and nothing else
this is like defending the billion dollar corporations .jpeg meme
and they'll sit there and argue for the corporation that made up, just made up a product, and then advertised it (lied) until it was accepted as truth
you're all pathethic moron trash b***hes
>i love how people defend machines and cables like they're not just a result of clever marketing and nothing else
>this is like defending the billion dollar corporations .jpeg meme
>and they'll sit there and argue for the corporation that made up, just made up a product, and then advertised it (lied) until it was accepted as truth
>you're all pathethic moron trash b***hes
Guess where you fit in. And why are you promoting barbells as if they're a natural resource found in the woods? Why aren't you lifting rocks like a strongman, bro? Your little girly hands like the homosexualy little bar to make things easier for you? "Oh, I can't lift this log, I need the weight to be perfect symmetric on either side, tee hee! And why yes, I WOULD like a wiener up my ass!"
you're either extremely dumb or on the dole
Yeah this truly fits the bell curve meme. Anti machine people are peak midwits. I do think it is better to learn the lifts with free weights, though, especially before doing them on smith machine. Ie have normal squat mechanics down before transitioning to the smith machine squat (the most people tend to do the opposite
Post body
machines are a result of the technology mindset, which is to make life easier with technology, right? machines, like the washing machine, cars, etc
but it doesn't work in this case because the very essence, the core, the entire idea behind training with weights is to push against a hard resistance, it's one of the areas where by definition you cannot intervene to make it easier, because then the thing itself becomes something completley different, and that's what machines are, they're something completley different and the only reason they appear to be effective at anything is because people use drugs, and for those people basically anything can work. so it's a whole dirty industry of drugs, machines, slick marketing. it's a pretty seedy underworld. i'm not saying it was intended to be, but that's how it unfolded
machines and cables have no place in actual physical training
These conversations would be more productive if everybody just acted like free weights and cables were the same because practically they kind of are. Cables just change the direction the resistance comes from so for example instead of having to bend over to do a face pull you can just stand up and set the cable to face height. There's still stabilization involved on cables same as free weights. The real distinction is between free weights plus cables versus fixed path machines. And even on fixed path machines sometimes even that doesn't matter like for example a shrug, it will do nothing at all to do them in a Smith machine versus free weight, won't make any difference whatsoever.
Bro stfu
The DYEL cries because he has no argument
The irony of using Dorian Yates for your pic related. Not only did Dorian use lots of machines, the single most important upper body lift according to him was the nautilus pullover machine
Dorian Based used machines and free weights. You're right about the "optimal" shit though. Hypertrophy is either effected or it isn't. Meaning good enough is good enough. The only thing you can optimize is how often you're able to effect it.