It seems like you’ve hit your natty limit. Either get stronger and fat at the same time, or spin the wheels and keep a lean figure with rapidly diminishing gains. Or you know, hop on gear and see how far the rabbit hole goes
Stop fricking falling for the bulk/cut meme. It's literally just getting unnecessarily fat then losing it again. Figure out your maintenance calories and then eat slightly above it and you'll gain muscle without becoming a fat piece of shit.
It seems like you’ve hit your natty limit. Either get stronger and fat at the same time, or spin the wheels and keep a lean figure with rapidly diminishing gains. Or you know, hop on gear and see how far the rabbit hole goes
Never worked for me, I tried just having more than maintenance and yet I never gained until I did a bulk and cut after years of training I finally gained some muscle.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>natty limit
i've only been working out for 5 months
when is the accepted time to bulk? Im new to this?
Should i build minimal strength first then bulk?
Here are a few potential issues, but I think it's probably the first one as high protein intake isn't necessary for muscle building when you're a beginner:
>Do you do your sets to failure? If not, you should start doing that. Intensity triumphs over volume. >Do you eat enough protein? >Do you get enough sleep?
You definitely don't need to bulk like some moron DYELs suggest, unless you're severely underweight.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Also, genuine question: Why do newbies always obsess about training like or looking like some shitty anime character? They're fictional.
i was trying to make a joke.
because israelites on IST post about bbc all day but a defining moment in guts's life was getting fricked by bbc and the trauma of such is part of what made him who he is and OP wants to be more like him.
GET IT?
>How long did it take you to achieve this body?
It took me around 1.5 years. I started on March 2020 and the gutsanon pic was taken on November 2021. Here's a progress pic for reference, first pic is 1.5 months after starting to lift, second pic was 9 months and last pic is 1.5 years on the spot. >Did you go through cycles of bulk and cutting?
I started cutting as soon as I started lifting despite not knowing what cutting is. I cut a lot of things out of my diet and started replacing them with cleaner options. I cut from March 2020 till November 2020, then I bulked up until April 2020 with equally clean options. Then I recomped until the April of 2021. If anything I was experimenting with my diet at that time before settling on what foods worked for me, since I never did any aggressive bulks and cuts, and mostly maintained my calories above maintenance level. And when I did bulk it was clean as hell, none of that dirty bulking bullshit you see pushed by dudes with no self control. Sorry if that's too much info.
not him but i'm new here and i'd like some advice. Im 5'9 at 180 lbs (down from 190 when I started a few weeks or so ago) My body fat percent is 20.9% down from almost 22% at the start. What should I be focusing on diet and exercise wise? I've been doing 30 minutes of cardio every time i go to lift.
Our stats are mostly identical to when I started. The most important thing in your case is honing your diet and staying consistent. Don't focus on bf percentages or the scale, focus on the mirror and what you see. Understand what foods work for you and your needs. Make sure to cut fast food completely out of your diet and replace it with foods that aid your performance, eg high protein and nutritionally rich foods. What I keep saying is that skinnyfat is not necessarily the presence of fat, but the complete absence of muscle. Since you have no muscle the fat you have stands out on your gangly frame. In your case losing fat and building muscle is absolutely possible. I know because I did that. So, along with losing your fat with your protein rich diet start you need to lift to build up your frame. So to recap >clean up your diet, plenty of protein on a small caloric deficit >lift to gain muscle and escape skinnyfat mode
what foods do you eat normally/to escape skinnyfat? just chicken/rice/potatoes/greens? i've been doing your program a couple weeks now and while i definitely see some improvement already, i can tell my diet is the main thing holding me back (IE; usually i don't eat much/been a bit on the depressive drinking lately...)
What level of fitness are you currently at? Because if you are a beginner I wouldn't recommend my current 5 day routine. I'd recommend a 3 day full body routine until you hit 1/2/3/4. Likewise diet also changes depending on your level. What I ate to lose fat and build muscle was plenty of meat and rice, fish, cheese, eggs, lots of fruit and I cut down heavily on the bread and completely eliminated fast food, candy and soda from my diet. During that time I was eating 4 meals a day compared to my current 6 meals. In your case alcohol is definitely the largest culprit, not even because of the calories, but because alcohol inhibits protein synthesis and dehydrates you.
oh and what core exercises do you do, if any?
Squats, front squats, rows and OHP is what I do for core. I've been doing some leg raises on dip bars lately but it's not a priority
9 months ago
Anonymous
>what level of fitness
skinnyfat dyel at the moment, using your routine as a starting point, but i'll swap to a 3 day full body if that's what i should be doing. is there any particular program i should follow that covers those bases? (also thanks a lot for the all the info, i'm blessed to be in your good graces, gusanon)
not him but i'm new here and i'd like some advice. Im 5'9 at 180 lbs (down from 190 when I started a few weeks or so ago) My body fat percent is 20.9% down from almost 22% at the start. What should I be focusing on diet and exercise wise? I've been doing 30 minutes of cardio every time i go to lift.
Just a play on words since I haven't posted in a while and don't like namegayging or tripgayging
>what level of fitness
skinnyfat dyel at the moment, using your routine as a starting point, but i'll swap to a 3 day full body if that's what i should be doing. is there any particular program i should follow that covers those bases? (also thanks a lot for the all the info, i'm blessed to be in your good graces, gusanon)
Happy to help friend. Sadly I don't have any specific program to recommend since I was free wheeling it with 2 dumbbells when I started. Natural Hypertrophy on youtube has some solid programs. Just make sure to hit all the major muscle groups in a single session, with an exercise selection which you like.
I have a lot of stuff I'd like to share but sadly not a lot of time, hence why I've been posting so scarcely as of late. Regarding the programs, be careful of compound heavy programs. I like compounds and include at least one in my routines but don't go overboard and start chasing numbers if your goal is aesthetics.
Is that really your progress in the pic?? That’s insane
You will never be Guts. You have no insane willpower, you have no Band of the Hawk, you haven't slain evils. You are a gym nerd twisted by daddy issues and trauma into a crude mockery of the strugglers perfection.
All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back Chads mock you. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “friends” laugh at your cringe avatargayging behind closed doors.
Anons are utterly laughing at you. Thousands of shitposts have allowed anons to sniff out LARPers with incredible efficiency. Even roiders who “pass” as Guts look uncanny and unnatural to a natty. Your inserts alone are a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a black girl home with you, she’ll die of cringe the moment she hears a second of your trap anime workout mix.
You will never be badass. You wrench out an "intimidating" grin after every poor night of sleep and tell yourself this is going to be just another struggle, but deep inside you feel the cope creeping up like an apostle, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.
Eventually it’ll be too much to bear – you’ll buy a life-size Dragonslayer replica, do an overhead press, accidentally smash your skull, and plunge into the cold abyss. Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll bury you with a headstone marked with your birth name, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a background character is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a skeleton that is unmistakably of a fodder soldier.
Picrel is me on the right, from around October. I’m bigger now. Been lifting 3.5-4 years consistently. This is my routine:
Achillean Lifting Program
[U1.L1.A.X.U2.L2.X]
I’d like to add Ive substituted all my ab work for either weighted russian twists, decline weighted situps, or cable crunches if I’m not at my home gym
It seems like you’ve hit your natty limit. Either get stronger and fat at the same time, or spin the wheels and keep a lean figure with rapidly diminishing gains. Or you know, hop on gear and see how far the rabbit hole goes
>natty limit
i've only been working out for 5 months
Then why on earth would you bulk
when is the accepted time to bulk? Im new to this?
Should i build minimal strength first then bulk?
Yes
>minimal strength
No you shouls definitely still maximize your strength
Stop fricking falling for the bulk/cut meme. It's literally just getting unnecessarily fat then losing it again. Figure out your maintenance calories and then eat slightly above it and you'll gain muscle without becoming a fat piece of shit.
moron
Never worked for me, I tried just having more than maintenance and yet I never gained until I did a bulk and cut after years of training I finally gained some muscle.
Here are a few potential issues, but I think it's probably the first one as high protein intake isn't necessary for muscle building when you're a beginner:
>Do you do your sets to failure? If not, you should start doing that. Intensity triumphs over volume.
>Do you eat enough protein?
>Do you get enough sleep?
You definitely don't need to bulk like some moron DYELs suggest, unless you're severely underweight.
Also, genuine question: Why do newbies always obsess about training like or looking like some shitty anime character? They're fictional.
This moron samegayging again kek
You’re not zyzz fgt
you need bbc.
you need a rope, cuck. an hero
i was trying to make a joke.
because israelites on IST post about bbc all day but a defining moment in guts's life was getting fricked by bbc and the trauma of such is part of what made him who he is and OP wants to be more like him.
GET IT?
i want to look like this so fricking bad but i'm a moron when it comes to dieting
Ask away and I'll answer to the best of my abilities friends
t. the poster formerly known as gutsanon
How long did it take you to achieve this body? Did you go through cycles of bulk and cutting?
>How long did it take you to achieve this body?
It took me around 1.5 years. I started on March 2020 and the gutsanon pic was taken on November 2021. Here's a progress pic for reference, first pic is 1.5 months after starting to lift, second pic was 9 months and last pic is 1.5 years on the spot.
>Did you go through cycles of bulk and cutting?
I started cutting as soon as I started lifting despite not knowing what cutting is. I cut a lot of things out of my diet and started replacing them with cleaner options. I cut from March 2020 till November 2020, then I bulked up until April 2020 with equally clean options. Then I recomped until the April of 2021. If anything I was experimenting with my diet at that time before settling on what foods worked for me, since I never did any aggressive bulks and cuts, and mostly maintained my calories above maintenance level. And when I did bulk it was clean as hell, none of that dirty bulking bullshit you see pushed by dudes with no self control. Sorry if that's too much info.
Our stats are mostly identical to when I started. The most important thing in your case is honing your diet and staying consistent. Don't focus on bf percentages or the scale, focus on the mirror and what you see. Understand what foods work for you and your needs. Make sure to cut fast food completely out of your diet and replace it with foods that aid your performance, eg high protein and nutritionally rich foods. What I keep saying is that skinnyfat is not necessarily the presence of fat, but the complete absence of muscle. Since you have no muscle the fat you have stands out on your gangly frame. In your case losing fat and building muscle is absolutely possible. I know because I did that. So, along with losing your fat with your protein rich diet start you need to lift to build up your frame. So to recap
>clean up your diet, plenty of protein on a small caloric deficit
>lift to gain muscle and escape skinnyfat mode
what foods do you eat normally/to escape skinnyfat? just chicken/rice/potatoes/greens? i've been doing your program a couple weeks now and while i definitely see some improvement already, i can tell my diet is the main thing holding me back (IE; usually i don't eat much/been a bit on the depressive drinking lately...)
What level of fitness are you currently at? Because if you are a beginner I wouldn't recommend my current 5 day routine. I'd recommend a 3 day full body routine until you hit 1/2/3/4. Likewise diet also changes depending on your level. What I ate to lose fat and build muscle was plenty of meat and rice, fish, cheese, eggs, lots of fruit and I cut down heavily on the bread and completely eliminated fast food, candy and soda from my diet. During that time I was eating 4 meals a day compared to my current 6 meals. In your case alcohol is definitely the largest culprit, not even because of the calories, but because alcohol inhibits protein synthesis and dehydrates you.
Squats, front squats, rows and OHP is what I do for core. I've been doing some leg raises on dip bars lately but it's not a priority
>what level of fitness
skinnyfat dyel at the moment, using your routine as a starting point, but i'll swap to a 3 day full body if that's what i should be doing. is there any particular program i should follow that covers those bases? (also thanks a lot for the all the info, i'm blessed to be in your good graces, gusanon)
oh and what core exercises do you do, if any?
Is that really your progress in the pic?? That’s insane
not him but i'm new here and i'd like some advice. Im 5'9 at 180 lbs (down from 190 when I started a few weeks or so ago) My body fat percent is 20.9% down from almost 22% at the start. What should I be focusing on diet and exercise wise? I've been doing 30 minutes of cardio every time i go to lift.
formerly?
Just a play on words since I haven't posted in a while and don't like namegayging or tripgayging
Happy to help friend. Sadly I don't have any specific program to recommend since I was free wheeling it with 2 dumbbells when I started. Natural Hypertrophy on youtube has some solid programs. Just make sure to hit all the major muscle groups in a single session, with an exercise selection which you like.
i actually just skimmed the sticky and there's quite a few full body starter programs there, so i'll definitely look over these.
if you have any other general advice or wisdom i'd love to hear them
I have a lot of stuff I'd like to share but sadly not a lot of time, hence why I've been posting so scarcely as of late. Regarding the programs, be careful of compound heavy programs. I like compounds and include at least one in my routines but don't go overboard and start chasing numbers if your goal is aesthetics.
Thanks brother
>not a lot of time
why?
I'm serving my mandatory military service
Learn to use picrel but with both hands at the farthest point
How can you gutsmax if you can't wield his sword?
>some dyel holding meme equipment
sure looks like it works for him kek
>who you callin pinhead
Post body and lifts
>8 day routine
>there's 7 days in a week
you posted on the wrong planet bro
>he's not bending space and time to maximise his gains
NGMI
You will never be Guts. You have no insane willpower, you have no Band of the Hawk, you haven't slain evils. You are a gym nerd twisted by daddy issues and trauma into a crude mockery of the strugglers perfection.
All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back Chads mock you. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “friends” laugh at your cringe avatargayging behind closed doors.
Anons are utterly laughing at you. Thousands of shitposts have allowed anons to sniff out LARPers with incredible efficiency. Even roiders who “pass” as Guts look uncanny and unnatural to a natty. Your inserts alone are a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a black girl home with you, she’ll die of cringe the moment she hears a second of your trap anime workout mix.
You will never be badass. You wrench out an "intimidating" grin after every poor night of sleep and tell yourself this is going to be just another struggle, but deep inside you feel the cope creeping up like an apostle, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.
Eventually it’ll be too much to bear – you’ll buy a life-size Dragonslayer replica, do an overhead press, accidentally smash your skull, and plunge into the cold abyss. Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll bury you with a headstone marked with your birth name, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a background character is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a skeleton that is unmistakably of a fodder soldier.
Picrel is me on the right, from around October. I’m bigger now. Been lifting 3.5-4 years consistently. This is my routine:
Achillean Lifting Program
[U1.L1.A.X.U2.L2.X]
U1
1. Incline press/Seated overhead press 3-4x6-10 + Chinups 3-4x6-10
2. Incline curls 3-4x6-10 + French press 3-4x8-12 + Lateral raises 3-4x10-15
3. Dips 3-4x10-15 + Ring facepulls 3-4x10-15 + Knee raises 3x15-20
L1
1. Deadlifts 1x4-6
2. Reach Romanian Deadlifts 2-3x6-10 + Neck curls 3-4x12-15
3. Power shrugs 2-3x8-12 + Calf raises 2-3x15-20 + Decline sit-ups/Cable Crunches 3x10-15
A
1. EZ curls 3-4x8-12 + Skullcrushers 3-4x8-12 + Upright rows 3-4x10-15
2. DB pullovers 3-4x8-12 + Reverse/incline hammer curls 3-4x8-12 + Neck curls 3-4x12-15
U2
1. Incline press/Seated overhead press 3-4x6-10 + Chinups 3-4x6-10
2. Pullovers 3-4x6-10 + Seated lateral raises 3-4x10-15 + DB/Ring flyes 2-3x6-10
3. Incline/EZ curls 3-4x8-12 + French press/sköllkrushers 3-4x8-12 + Leg raises 3-4xF
L2
1. Hack squats/Heel-raised squats 2-3x6-12 + Deadhang 1xF + Neck curls 3-4x12-18
2. Power shrugs 3-4x610-15 + Calf raises 3-4x15-20
3. DB pullovers 3x10-15 + Russian twists/Decline situps 3x10-15
I’d like to add Ive substituted all my ab work for either weighted russian twists, decline weighted situps, or cable crunches if I’m not at my home gym
>The weight belt to hide the love handles
post abs
You're a fatso who roided, nothing special
tfw shoulderlet lanklet with 0 resemblance to guts frame/physique-wise
not even roids would help
hold me brehs
You already have a better physique than the vast majority of the male population. Don't let memes get you down