I need schizo meds to fall asleep for 8 hours. Without it at most I get is 2 or 3. I feel wired all the time despite being exhausted, like a zombie.
How do I fix this shit? Everytime I decide not to take my meds I have another shitty night of sleep. are there even any long term concerns for meds like seroquel or zolpidem? I even tried shrooms to cure my insomnia because I read nuking your serotonin (Peat) cures insomnia but it didn't do shit
Do both sides of your nose work?
If I breathe in through my nose really hard, one side collapses while the other doesn't. I considered sleep apnea but I don't fall asleep and then wake up gasping for air. Lot of times I can't sleep at all or get microsleep
I used to have extremely long shifts of manual labor like your friend and that I got insomnia after that. Before I could sleep just fine but after that job I had trouble fall asleep since
I'm in the same boat as you. Maybe 2-3 hours sleep a night. Thought my nose worked pretty well but apparently it's 90% blocked on one side 30% blocked on the other.
I suspect in-taking more air increases oxygen in your blood and makes it easier to sleep.
I have tried every OTC product under the sun and it's all snake oil. Trying the surgery next.
Deviated septum surgery? Have you considered a sleep apnea machine and did you get a test done?
Yes. I'm not a fatass and my GP brushed off sleep apnea being an issue. I'm fairly certain the sleep study would just send me to an ENT next anyway.
Dont matter if you are not a fatass. Sleep apnea can be anatomically based, insist on a sleep study to rule it out or monitor it. You also could have UARS. Mostly diagnosed in non fatasses with sleep issues and you will be sent to an ent but again you should get it checked out so you can gauge the success of your surgeries before and after
Interesting. But a typical symptom of UARS is waking up gasping right? I don't have that issue.
I have UARS never gasped for air. My symptoms are stuffy nose (most like the cause), daytime fatigue(its extreme to the point I need adderall to get out of bed), headaches, and general moronation (I can safely say my fifth grade self is smarter than me). I believe gasping for air is more sleep apnea as you actually stop breathing, uars just makes it a workout to get air into your body as my sleep study results indicated no apneas at all. Waking up is an issue of UARS but that depends on what is causing it. UARS can have a lot of different causes. All however can be fixed with surgeries its just finding the right one which is why monitoring it will be important if you dont have insurance and pay out of pocket on a wasted surgery.
you can read in real time how much this is affecting me based on how poorly written my reply was
Your reply got the point across. Btw do you have trouble falling asleep or excessive day-time sleepiness despite a full night's rest?
yep. I have insomnia on top of fragmented sleep. The days i do get a full 8 hours I feel worse than days I sleep for 5. Constantly exhausted, I only ever become "energetic" around the late afternoon to evening before crashing down again. If you are experiencing these symptoms get checked asap because it will ruin your life. I ignored it a couple years ago when it started and it only get worse
So has anyone discussed treatment to you? Since you have UARS. Are you going to get surgery?
Have to wait to see an ENT. Most likely will be my nose. Septoplasty and turbinate reduction. I also have large tonsils that I never removed so I will ask for them to be removed as well. I only just got diagnosed this week.
I will probably ask my doctor to see a specialist as well. Is there a check you can do for enlarged tonsils?
I just checked in my mirror and they look quite big. I don't know if they are causing obstruction but for me this will all be covered under insurance and I can get it done along with my nose in the same surgery. But definitely go see an ENT and insist on a sleep test even if he says you don't need one if you have insomnia and fatigue that is a reason to get one.
Do a google or youtube search for nursing tonsil assessment
Bro wtf I'm 19 and I'm showing similar symptoms to you holy shit
you need to go get a sleep test and see an ENT now then. Insomnia, daytime fatigue, and diminished cognitive abilities are reason for a sleep study. I started showing symptoms at 17, 21 now and only now am I getting it fixed. Save yourself a couple years of agony and go. Trust me UARS or sleep apnea is not something that is nice to have. At my worst I couldn't even watch a movie my head was just mush. Last couple of years flew by and I dont remember anything.
Dude just go to lofta.com and buy a watch Pat, do the sleep test, get the script for the CPAP and buy it right then. No sense in waiting 12 months for the local sleep study to reach out to you and have some homosexual watch you sleep on a shitty bed while you're hooked up to 45 different wires.
>I used to have extremely long shifts of manual labor like your friend and that I got insomnia after that. Before I could sleep just fine but after that job I had trouble fall asleep since
Your body has too much ehat and/or dryness. Try drinking milk. You can even eat ice cream if you want. Salad is also good. Don't eat spicy or deep fried food, don't train hard if you want to train at all (Better take a 3 weeks break if you can). Eat turkey or pork (Pork is probably better), not chicken or beef.
Basically eat cooling and moistening foods, not warming or drying foods.
I don't know if this means anything but I've had white tongue for a while now, at least since my insomnia started. It's like a thick white coating. I'm taking probiotics so that the bacteria keeps the yeast in check
>I don't know if this means anything but I've had white tongue for a while now, at least since my insomnia started.
Eh? That's weird. Then the hard work is not responsible and instead it's a case of too much phlegm and you should do the opposite of what I just said.
Did you gain weight? Brain fog? Frequent colds?
Strange that this would appear after heavy physical work..
A white tongue is a 100% sure sign for too much phlegm/cold, but strenuous activity burns phlegm and heats the body. So if you got it after a stint of physical work, it's strange.
Yeah I've gained weight and do get colds
No, but I sleep like a baby, should I see a doctor? They both work at the same time when I lift or run
no
t. doctor
go back to /ftl/
It's just a beautiful woman, chud.
You are not doing nearly enough cardio. I had a buddy like you until he joined the navy and they work his ass for 16 hours and he takes caffeine pills and the moment his head hits the pillow he falls asleep. If you have insomnia for no reason, you’re lazy.
https://stanfordhealthcare.org/medical-treatments/c/cognitive-behavioral-therapy-insomnia.html
Melatonin, sleepy time tea (val root), alcohol/weed, food coma, no screens for an hour before/during bedtime.
t. Fighting the same battle for 40 years
I know everyone metabolizes differently but val root made me extremely depressed and borderline suicidal for a few days.
I found that melatonin doesn't work for me and I tried different dosages from 1-5mg
I take 20 mg a day but I just like the feeling
does that much even do anything for sleep at that point?
oh yeah big time, that shit knocks me out
All that is basic stuff for morons. Anyone know how to actually cure insomnia? I can do breathing exercises and calm down but they just instantly switch back to wide awake. Doesn't matter if I have no screens all day and do 5h of cardio a day
homosexual I told you in the post above. I ak schizophrenic as well I have the same issue if not worse. Longest I've gone without sleep is 8 bloody days. Wim Hof breathing doesn't calm you down in any way whatever, totally different thing. Fricking try it. Watch this video 3 times, that's an hour of breathing, you'll be asleep. Promise you.
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You mention Zolpidem, and your experience sounds like mine. The truth is not that your meds help you sleep, it's that you can't sleep without them anymore. The whole thing about feeling wired all the time is classic benzo withdrawal symptoms, which you go through every time you stop taking them, because you have become physically addicted.
Quit taking these meds for good. You're going to feel like shit for a while because withdrawal sucks, but it's the only way to fix your problem for good.
I had this wired feeling prior to taking meds. After a a job I had which required me to stay awake even when I wanted to fall asleep fricked up my sleep pattern and now I can't "switch off". I mostly use seroquel and it acts as an antihistamine to make me drowsy
never taken zopi either, and I'm exactly the same. Melatonin seemed to worked for a few years, but now has no effect what so ever. Running off 2 - 4 hours sleep a night is driving me nutty.
Same here. Melatonin got so bad, that I woke up after the half life wore off, so after 3 to 4 hours I've been awake and couldn't fall back asleep.
Also, melatonin has to get dosed below 0.3mg, everything is overkill and against the dose you naturally produce anyway.
sunlight
avoid screens
basically live your life on the outside
How does this gay vampire manage to get a 100% sleep score? He barely goes outside and only works out for 45 minutes a day and eats a vegan diet of a caloric restriction which should be bad for sleep. What does he do differently?
Has it ever occurred to you that he might be lying?
He provides sources
Posting pictures of underage people is not allowed here. MODS!
red light therapy. exercise. and supplements. Trt.
Lack of stress probably
Why would literally any of that be bad for sleep, also the answer is drugs
>summergay
lmao this is the lamest coalburner i've seen in a minute "can i do the black power kneel?" rest in piss
Don't care chud. She's unironically sweet which is hard to come by. She needs a hero but no MDE dickrider can become that for her
What's wrong with you gimps? Who actually unironically watches MDE stuff, and who unironically was actually entertained by that gameshow house he did? The emo girl simping by fanbase was embarrassing, you're grown ass men ffs.
summer who?
close your eyes and never open them again.
Avoid all caffeinated beverages and that includes diet soda
Get a gf
I fall asleep so much easier when I’m at my fiancée’s place. Like I’m tired and ready to fall asleep at 10 versus doom scrolling IST until 2am at my place.
This. Shift work fricks my circadian rhythm so I never get sleepy, and anxiety nukes my sleep quality.
But whenever I'm dating someone and sleeping with them I'm passed out like a rock.
It’s kind of wild. I’m actually tired and ready for bed at 10-11 with fiancée, whereas at home I have to make myself get in bed and put the phone down and could easily just not go to bed and be awake until 4 if I wanted to.
What causes this?
I think my anxiety, or stress, just melts away when I'm with someone.
I'm never consciously aware that I am anxious/stressed so it was hard to pin down as the cause of my shit sleep quality.
It's literally loneliness. We're just not equipped to deal with being alone and it can cause some bizarre effects on our bodies.
Magnesium Glycinate has been helping me a bit.
Stop smoking weed
Gg ez
I don't do drugs besides the ones I'm prescribed
Just listen to druids
Fellow insomniacel. I'm trying a new thing where first thing in the morning I go outside and get sunlight on my eyeballs, it's supposed to help fix your sleep.
There's some neuroscientist guy who has a whole protocol for fixing your sleep: https://www.hubermanlab.com/newsletter/toolkit-for-sleep
It's a lot though so I'm starting with the morning sunlight thing only and seeing if that helps. First day was today so idk if it works yet lol, but it's something to try.
Interesting read. Thanks for sharing.
Keep in mind that huberisraelite himself has issues with sleep. He can't deal with his own insomnia byt has guts to teach people how to deal with it.
Yeah huberman seems like a fraud and his sleep routine sucks. His whole thing is just excessively spiking cortisol in the morning and hoping that tires you enough. There is something fundamentally missing in insomniacs. Regular people are able to lay on a couch and just doze off
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summer is can only be cured with facial abuse
i cured it by getting a full time job
But I am a nurse and I swap between nights and days 🙁
drinking yourself into oblivion. alcohol is made from fermented organic material it's natural
Arsenic is natural
Used to have terrible insomnia
Did a parasite cleanse shat out a tapeworm now I sleep normally
Ivermectin?
kys
>are there even any long term concerns for meds like seroquel
Seroquel has been known to make people diabetic
yeah seroquel is a pretty nasty antipsychotic with a list of side effects a mile long. i would have to be REALLY desperate to take that for sleep.
Please dont take it. I gave experience its absolutely terrible
How is seroquel bad for you? Isn't it it just an anti-histamine at lower doses? I do get a faster heart rate when using it by I suspect that it is because it lowers one's blood pressure
Redpill me on seroquel lads
>How is seroquel bad for you?
He literally just said
>Isn't it it just an anti-histamine at lower doses?
No
No he didn't he just said it has a list of side effects like any other drug
That's not what he said, you can read the thread if you want, I'm not going to argue semantics and get into the physiology of how medications work as if that is going to affect your decision anyway
You're a midwit at best. List me the issues instead of arguing like an anti-vaxxer
Google it instead of insulting people on the internet
dumb gay
maybe stop watching that garbage 24/7 and you'll sleep better
have sex
dunno, my insomnia issues just went away on their own, took about 10 years. So just wait and it might go away by itself after a decade or two in the future. Not long really.
John Malkovich lookin good
why are you posting this freak?
none of your bees wax.
you have a problem with men wearing skirts, homosexual?
Kilts are based, especially when you’re jacked. Always wanted to go to a Scottish celebration or wedding to try one.
you're not doing enough during the day you lazy frick
Most of this thread is shit advice. Take meds if you need to but not for sleep. Do NOT take melatonin. That will make it worse in the long run if better at the beginning at all. One guy suggested working yourself to sleep; that's not a long term solution either.
Basically just 1, have a comfortable bed. 2, go to bed early enough.
If your beds not comfortable you won't sleep. If your ENVIRONMENT isn't comfortable you won't sleep. Give yourself plenty of head room to make sure your actual sleep time aligns with when you're in actual rem sleep
It really isn't some complex thing
It's most likely psychological and it won't be fixed regardless of how many moronic tips&tricks that anon posted you try.
Find an older man to go to therapy. If you don't fit look for a different one. Did you get a diagnosis?
Some of the doctors I work with don't believe in melatonin, they say its more of a placebo. Others say not to take it before bed but to do so in the early evening like around 17-1800
Was she really a coal burner?
Are you:
1) Working permanent nights shifts?
2) Working on rotating shifts?
3) A smoker/Vaper/Tobacco?
I used was working on rotating and sometimes permanent night shifts and it gave me insomnia. 5 years of madness. 0 to 5 hours of sleep at most. Once I work a normal day shift job, I sleep better. Just my 2 cents.
I had night shifts and that fricked my sleep pattern even a year later
Stay awake for 72 hours straight, and then go to sleep when you want your bed time to be. It will reset your circadian rhythm
I used to need >150mg of benadryl to fall asleep as a kid. I've been on every sleep medication legal in the US. The only ones that helped short term were temazepam and sonata. My stack has always included valerian root, magnesium, and sublingual melatonin. Lemon balm, chamomille extract, L-theanine, L-tryptophan, and kava can be helpful too but never worked consistently for me. Check if you have restless legs. I've had two sleep tests that both just showed me moving constantly, so I take gabapentin and propranolol too. I take unisom on top of these as a last resort but there are nights when 15+ pills cant make me fall asleep.
Just jerk off dude Christ. Please tell me you at least have a pill container for all that and you don't stand in your medicine cabinet every night opening 15 bottles of shit
jerking off is part of the stack. I have one of these to organize them.
had insomia when i was younger, but have mostly grown out / no longer care about it. tried all the medication and chemical ways to sleep. problem is long term you habituate to them and the issue isnt fixed. What has worked for me is to set myself up in a way that gives me the potential for sleep to happen ( exercise enough, avoid coffee after lunch, make sure my bedroom is cool enough, read a bool instead of phone when in bed) and then stop worrying about whether i've got or am going to get enough sleep. theres a big part of insomnia which is psychological. you notice that you aren't going to sleep, and then worry that your not getting enough sleep. you can easily work yourself up lying on bed and lay their wired & awake. i used to rage at every little sound in my house, could feel my heartrate rise as i heard someone use the bathroom late at night. literal teeth grinding anger and worry about being tired at work, which of course would stop me from sleeping. now what i do is try to keep consistent with the time i wake up, rather than my bedtime and trust that i'll fall asleep at a time to sleep enough for my bodies needs. seems to work pretty well for me. Also the period of my life where i slept the best was on a 3 month hike across my country. Being outside all day, walking all day with a pack, being exposed to sunset & sunrise. Slept like a baby.
Rucking, as in, walking with a heavy backpack
I'm schizo too. Take clozapine and amisulpride. Without the clozapine I don't sleep for days. Feels too weak to sleep, I know the feeling. The answer is Wim Hof's breathing method. On about day 3 or 4 of no sleep, do some breathing and a wave of good health will come over you and you will be out. It's hard work but I promise it works. Here's a video where he guides you through it.
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who cares about that grifter and his little parlour trick of starving your brain out of oxygen
just breathe out longer than you breathe in, which activates your parasympathicus and calms you down
stress, sympathetic activation, histamin, cortisol, blue light, irregular breathing, high blood pressure/heart rate -> bad sleep
He's no grifter. The method charges up your blood with oxygen. Leads to amazing things. I used to do it for hours a day and magically ended up with doms in my calves. Don't knock it till you've tried it.
yeah ok moron you just proved u aint got a clue
hyperventialting for prolonged times depletes your blood of CO2, oversaturating everything with O2
your brain has a high O2 demand, hypoxia = dead neurons
presence of CO2 in your blood is the signal your body uses to tell u "homie u gotta breathe"
very low CO2 -> absense of signal to breathe -> body goes into panic mode (cue clips of half naked dimwits in the snow crying of ecstasy after having paid to learn hyperventilating for $1500 and Joe Rogaine going "dude woah, monkeys") -> loss of braincells -> trauma based bonding with cult leader
My IQ is 117. I'm 280 lbs of man. I will rape you and your father at featherpoint. Leave Wim Hof alone. If you ever talk to me or my wife's son again I'll trace your IP and suck you off you fricking dyel trash. Merry Jihad.
At this point, you are dependent on the meds so there is probably just no way to not get bad sleep for a while if you come of them. How long that while is depends on you. I used to take benzos for sleep. When I stopped, it was 3 months before I got somewhat normal sleep again. It actually never went back to normal completely but sort of normal was about 3 months. Those 3 months were hell. I started a routine of daily 5-10 mi walks at that time and that’s basically what helps now.
100% would
My sleep went so much better when i started sleeping on the floor. Dont know the science behind it i just lay down and in a couple of minutes i go to sleep. When i woke up i feel renovated
You're earthing/grounding. You could also look into the Schumann frequency.
Looks almost exactly like my last gf
>insomnia
no more screen time
read a boring novel
milk tea
and drink herbal sleep aids like Valerian root
Get a body pillow unironically. This isn't a joke. This is what's been missing from your life all these years.
What none of these guys will tell you is that the best cure for insomnia is booze or weed, they have their own issues but insomnia wont be one
you might have adhd if your mind races for an hour or two after going to bed and you cant stop fidgeting. We have shifted circadian rythmns, it sucks, I end up getting no sleep at all some nights. inb4 edgy normie opinion about adhd not real etc, heard it all before.
vitamin D supplementation can cause insomnia in some cases
its due to depletion of magnesium and other factors
been eating lots of fish + D3 + K2 recently and likely got bone/back pain + insomnia from it
This. Why not check for all possible deficiëncies before doing anything else
Find the real cause of your insomnia.
None of those sleep hacks (routine shit, ingestion of garbage) actually work if the thing causing your sleep to be disrupted is not solved. Those only work for normies who have a disrupted sleep schedule and think they have insomnia when they really just suffer from mental illnesses. If you've been sleep deprived for 3 fricking months - it is fricking hell. My insomnia stems from my gut.
troony-femcel mixtura
My sleep is so bad that my hematocrit is almost 60 and my hemoglobin is approaching 20. Hoping the CPAP will fix my suffocating in my sleep issues
you know it's the virginity board when the most active thread has an ugly troony as the picture
No artificial light after 7pm (that includes screens)
low carb diet (only carbs allowed are fruit and whole grains)
20 mins of cardio per day
room must be totally black no light
only use your bed for sleep, nothing else.
> fixes your insomnia
i just go to bed and wake up at the same time every day
When do you all stop drinking caffeine for the day? I try to not drink any too close to bed. Even a bit of chocolate will frick me up.
mfs literally will ask this shit like they're gonna find an all natural cure to the shit you're doing wrong, just take pills that will knock you out, cuz nobody is actually *trying* to fricking sleep
I get 0-2 hours of restful sleep a night except unlike you I dont have access to schizo pills.
eh you get used to it, like after a year straight of laying in bed waiting to die, your body just allows it.
guess you have to ask yourself it its worth it to live like this for the rest of your life, because it will never get better. I've had this for 6 years and it only has gotten worse.
cutting is so fricking gross
you want to die? take as many sleeping pills as you can stomach and go for swim in a lake.
if only it were THAT easy