How do you feel about saturated fats?

How do you feel about saturated fats?

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  1. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    God tier

  2. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    It only deposits in arteries if you're doing something stupid like eating a lot of it while eating no fruit and vegetables which contain nutrients that remove it. I hardly think that in 2023 there could be someone as dumb as that.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      You mean keto and carnitards?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      You mean keto and carnitards?

      Please be bait please be bait.
      >Ppl are genuinly this braindead

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Explain the biomechanics of that one to me.
      Does saturated fat deposit in your arteries? lol this idea is so fricking outdated
      Do fruit and vegetables have some component that "removes" saturated fat from your arteries somehow? Please spare no detail. I'm ready to see everything you have to write on this topic from your clear years of research and totally not a lump of shit you pulled straight out of your 4 shits a day butthole.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        eating too much saturated fats causes your body to make big cholestorerol clumps, that get stuck in your arteries, but eating healthy causes them to get smaller so they dont pile up in your veins, here, explained it for you, got this in school

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          that's a load of horseshit about the big cholesterol clumps just so you know

          "Correlation does not equal causation" is a piece of midwit bumber-sticker wisdom that does not apply to as many situations as you think. If your aphorisms and analogies lead you to thinking that there's no plausible causation between between a massive overhaul to your diet and changes in your metabolic health, then they are turning you into a moron and you should use other types of thinking, such as using actual reasons. Try something like "the wholesale replacement of one of the 3 macronutrients with novel industrial slop warrants no concern about its effects on our health because ..."

          >"Correlation does not equal causation" is a piece of midwit bumber-sticker wisdom that does not apply to as many situations as you think
          not him but -
          Explain why it doesn't apply to the premise of this thread.

          https://i.imgur.com/SKS1Tc3.png

          >(You)

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >child mortality rate to express the healthfulness of red meat in everyone
            at this point you should expect dishonest arguments like this

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              Learn to read
              Child mortality is accounted for in this data but it also looks at long lifespans

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                That graph can be fully explained as lifespan increasing with reduction in calories in general and the processed junk that tends to accompany american meat products.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                The graph says more meat = live longer
                Are you stupid? There's no other data, you are speculating.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                demonstrably wrong
                your shitty inferior graph is irrelevant to all-cause mortality systemic reviews

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                The fact that both of these data points exist should make anyone question whether or not we actually know anything about human nutrition.
                Very laughable to pretend that you do based on your little homosexual graph that can't account for the million variables of a human life

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >doesn't understand what a systemic review is
                proof of moronation

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            its called LDL Black person

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              see

              https://i.imgur.com/M7TFqS7.jpg

              We are still waiting and have been for 63 years at this point.

              Plaque deposits in arteries have very little fat in them at all they are made up of scar tissue

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                ooh woo a bunch of Black folk sandBlack folk and chinks are dying because of shit healthcare, must be our high cholesterol diets!

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >120kg/yr equates to a 3 year old eating 320g beef/day
            >~800 cals of just meat
            >healthy 3 year olds weigh 12-16kg and need 1000-1300 calories
            so basically obese children die sooner?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >it's only bad for you if you eat it

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        First grade reading comprehension

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      fruits and vegetables contain ANTInturients and excessive hydration can break down the saturated fats and send them straight into your arteries. Get your facts straight or shut the FRICK up.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >MUH ANTINUTRIENTS

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yes, YOUR antinutrients because I have enough sense to stay tf away from them.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >excessive hydration can break down the saturated fats and send them straight into your arteries

  3. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    I WANT my cholesterol to be higher than whatever doctors recommend

  4. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    I drink a cup of cream and a dozen raw eggs a day and i dont got no heart issues cause im not a little vaxed b***h

  5. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's great, I eat it with no downsides

  6. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Can anyone explain how animal fats get into your arteries? I'll wait.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Intravenous injection

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      they sticky

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        At body temperature, saturated fats are nice and melted while unsaturated fats more easily oxidize into stuff that is actually sticky at that temp

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      We are still waiting and have been for 63 years at this point.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Stomach connects directly into bloodstream. When you eat Nutella your blood turns brown

      [...]

      Seethe, cope, dilate, groomer

  7. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >there are cow cells in your arteries
    vegans are mentally ill

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Your brainfog on keto

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        As opposed to the aggressive b-12 deficiency-induced brain fog on veganism.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          I didn't mention vegans. Do they live in your head rent free?

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            personally when I encounter morons I usually think of moronation

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Perhaps you can explain why you got defensive over an attack of veganism, then? (Your brainfog has probably made you forget. Re-read the comment chain, moron)

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Your brainfog on keto

      Imagine a balanced diet that isn't either extreme, wouldn't that be crazy

  8. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Hungry.

  9. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >solid at room temperature
    how about 98.6 degrees freedom?

  10. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know, I can't make up my mind about it

  11. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >contributes to heart disease
    Source?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Doctors sponsored by Big Food

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        This is true albeit indirectly. The same people that own the big multinational food companies are the same that own pharma companies and have a massive influence on doctors and advisary boards. Modern food makes you ill and modern medicine treats the symptoms. Big pharma is a multimillion dollar i dustry, they want you permanently ill

  12. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    If it's solid at room temperature why is it solid inside your body? My body is not room temp on the inside...

  13. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    they are good, cholesterol is good. most vegetable oils (except good quality olive oil) are bad for you. follow your ancestors, not israeliteed up big pharma and "science".

  14. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm an omnivore who only consumes nutritionally optimal and medicinal or functional foods. macro nutrients take a very far back seat to consuming a wide variety of specific micronutrients or medicinally functional foods, every single day.

    99% of food is sub optimal and contains no unique micronutrients over vastly superior food items. for example, why would I ever purchase anything but bananas, pineapple, avocado, onions, garlic, kiwis or strawberries? these are the objective optimal fruit, literally everything else is sugar water in a vehicle of fiber. Why would I ever eat any meat other than sardines, beef, and eggs? these are the objective best meats to consume.
    why would I buy agaricus/button mushrooms when I can buy shiitake and maitake, lions mane and oyster mushrooms, or dozens of locally foraged species which are a medicine cabinet in themselves on top of being extremely nutritious sources of protein and minerals. Why would I ever eat any nut other than macadamia, almond, pumpkin seeds? Why would I ever buy anything but butter and olive oil? those are the nutritionally optimal cooking oils.

    The list DOESN'T go on, that's literally the optimal human diet and all you need to be putting in your shopping cart for the rest of your life. there is no reply or counter-point to type up in response to this. even financially, since this diet costs $40-$60 weekly.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is a healthier diet than 99% of IST eats I'm sure lol
      but you aren't going to get that much benefit from eating plants my homie
      don't gas yourself up too hard about that part of it
      beef small fish and eggs are very based though

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      You’re on the right track but still off.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      You almost nailed my diet word for word, and it's something I've put a lot of thought and research into. However, I largely eat salmon and only occasionally eat grass fed beef. I am aware that salmon contains high amounts of heavy metals, but I also eat a good amount of brazil nuts, which contain selenium that can chelate mercury and cadmium. Additionally, I supplement r-alpha lipoic acid and methylsulfonylmethane for further protection from heavy metals on top of the other benefits they confer. I find that consuming plenty of salmon in addition to sardines is cheaper than buying triglyceride fish oil. I also consume a lot of cheese because it's just too delicious. Your post is also lacking in green vegetables, of which I mainly just consume broccoli, asparagus, bell peppers, and arugala/spring greens. However, it costs me about 120$ per week for this diet. I could probably make it cost 80$ if I switched from fresh salmon to canned salmon and dropped the cheese in favor of more eggs and nuts, but variety is always nice.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >List of fruits doesn’t contain apples or blueberries.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >these are the objective best
      Depends on the arbitrary metrics you are using to judge this.
      Personally I'm doing a restriction diet of minimizing PUFA and minimizing vitamin A, which causes me to settle on a minimalist diet of red meat, white bread, white rice and apple juice for about 90% of my diet.
      And people used to live off bread and meat for years at a time before the advent of refrigerators and global shipping logistics.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        People have been malnourished for most of history buddy, meat and starch isn't an ideal diet by any stretch

  15. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    majority of IST still believes in the PUFAs bad meme, created almost 8y ago

    whenever you ask a ketolard or PUFAs bad troll for evidence, you'll get nothing
    or bro science style collage of a bunch of posts / tweets

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      There isn’t any good evidence that saturated fat is bad either. You can’t perform double blind randomized nutritional studies because they would be ethically wrong, you would have to imprison people and perform this experiment on them over a couple decades to capture long term effects. You would also want to imprison and experiment on a large number of people to make sure that the experiment is statistically significant. What kicked off the saturated fat is bad meme was that seven nations “study” that correlated saturated fat consumption with heart disease rate for seven countries, but only after they threw out 2/3rds of the countries because those countries showed lower rates of heart disease with increased saturated fat consumption.

      What valid nutritional studies we do have are mechanistic studies. Studies that examine how different foods and shit effect your body on a hormonal level, how you process those different foods, etc. And those mechanistic studies all line up one way. Saturated fat is fine, sugar and pufas frick you up. And the whole idea that saturated fat is poison is moronic to begin with. You literally make saturated fat. That’s how your body stores excess food, whenever your body uses stored fat it’s using saturated fat, your body has evolved to process it and use it for energy. If you can’t see it you’re a moron.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >There isn’t any good evidence that saturated fat is bad either
        Wrong

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >any good evidence that saturated fat is bad either
        but there is!?

        https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/fats-and-cholesterol/types-of-fat/

        saturated fats are definitely not super unhealthy but neither are they beneficial to you health

        >Saturated fat is fine
        no it's not
        >sugar and
        that one is non controversial
        >pufas frick you up
        ok where is the evidence??

        exactly my point, you don't have any

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Did you even read the fricking article?

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Nice link
          I see zero hard evidence, only coping about muh healthy unsaturated fats with very little to go on. In fact nothing to go on.
          In order to prove the hypothesis that saturated fat can cause any long term ailment on its own you would need to conduct an experiment that simply isn't possible with human subjects. For that reason I won't listen to any gay pharma wienersucker numbers about relative risk. There is nothing to be afraid of! They don't know anything for certain and data is all over the place. I could link a meta-analysis that show a correlation between PUFA consumption and death and you'd say its not the same.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >valid nutritional studies we do have are mechanistic studies
        why should mechanistic studies be better than health outcome studies?

        especially those 2 kinds usually don't line up
        for PUFAs at least - i don't know why you mention sugar which is universally considered bad with no controversy at all

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >You can’t perform double blind randomized nutritional studies because they would be ethically wrong
        The only one was done in the late 60's, they found a decrease in cardiovascular disease when you swap saturated fat with PUFA

        >Clinical follow-up was carried out on a double-blind basis.
        > Fatal atherosclerotic events numbered 70 in the control group and 48 in the experimental group; P<0.05.
        >when these data were pooled with those for cerebral infarction and other secondary end points, the totals were 96 in the control group and 66 in the experimental group P=0.01

        There was also a reduction in all-cause mortality of over 30% during the intervention period

        https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/01.CIR.40.1S2.II-1
        https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(70)90868-8/fulltext

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          that same trial showed people on vegetable oils got more cancer. and the mortality reduction was not 30% youve made that up

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >that same trial showed people on vegetable oils got more cancer.
            Not significant, and the people who got more cancer in the intervention was the people that had lowest adherence to the diet, so PUFA was not responsible for cancer
            >and the mortality reduction was not 30% youve made that up
            No I didn't, pic related all the hard end outcomes, all cause morality was reduced by over 30% when you do the math
            Any hard end point 96 in the control vs 66 in the intervention
            Fatal cardiovascular death 70 in the control vs 48 in the intervention
            https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(70)90868-8/fulltext

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              >morality
              Mortality**

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              total mortality didnt change significantly. cancer did

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >cancer did
                Why did you delete your previous post? P=0.06 means is not significant lol

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                [...]
                >(P=0.06).
                Not significant, Like I said before the cancer rates were higher in the people who the the lowest adherence to the invervention, the authors themselves even said it, I can quote them if you want
                >mortality wasnt statistically different but the cancer rates were
                >total mortality
                You are quoting total mortality and that total mortality includes deaths that happened outside the intervention and deaths that had nothing to do with the major endpoints, for example total mortality includes deaths due to accidents too and that's useless I can quote from the authors this too if you want, I only care about hard end point data that happened during the intervention
                I already posted the hard end point data here that happened during the intervention and there was a over 30% reduction in mortality [...]

                0.06 so its not a real thing god you are fricking stupid. either way there was no change in total mortality and carcinoma deaths were demonstrably higher no question

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                I didn't say it was not real, I just said that is not significant like you claimed you mongoloid

                >either way there was no change in total mortality
                Total mortality includes deaths that happened outside the intervention, I only care about hard outcome data of the intervention and I already explained why, I posted such data already here

                https://i.imgur.com/iwPXGED.png

                >that same trial showed people on vegetable oils got more cancer.
                Not significant, and the people who got more cancer in the intervention was the people that had lowest adherence to the diet, so PUFA was not responsible for cancer
                >and the mortality reduction was not 30% youve made that up
                No I didn't, pic related all the hard end outcomes, all cause morality was reduced by over 30% when you do the math
                Any hard end point 96 in the control vs 66 in the intervention
                Fatal cardiovascular death 70 in the control vs 48 in the intervention
                https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(70)90868-8/fulltext

                and there was over 30% reduction of mortality
                >carcinoma deaths were demonstrably higher no question
                Not significant and and highest carcinoma rate was seen in the people that had the lowest adherence to the invervention diet so PUFA had nothing to do with the increase in carcinoma

                I will the quote the authors of the study themselves about the cancer in the study:
                >"Many of the cancer deaths in the experimental group were among those who did not adhere closely to the diet. This reduces the possibility that the feeding of polyunsaturated oils was responsible for the excess carcinoma mortality observed in the experimental group.
                >A high incidence among high adherers would be expected if some constituent of the experimental diet were contributing to cancer fatality."

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >people that had the lowest adherence to the invervention diet
                whats the evidence for that? not eating in the dining hall? not convincing. now they make up some fake data to explain away the inconvenient result and you lap it up like an idiot

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >whats the evidence for that? not eating in the dining hall? not convincing
                They measured adherence with the level of PUFA flowing in the blood
                >now they make up some fake data to explain away the inconvenient result and you lap it up like an idiot
                You are the fake one, mongoloid.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >They measured adherence with the level of PUFA flowing in the blood
                i doubt it. and how do you know this tracks with intake? more supposition to explain away results you dont like

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >i doubt it. and how do you know this tracks with intake?
                We have no reason to believe otherwise, more pufa is seen the blood happens when you consume more pufa
                >more supposition to explain away results you dont like
                But I like the results, cancer was not significant and it was only a thing among those who had low adherence, there's also the fact there was more moderate smokers in the intervention PUFA group which is honestly the real reason why you see this non significant increase in cancer death

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >more pufa is seen the blood happens when you consume more pufa
                youre assuming this
                >the fact there was more moderate smokers in the intervention PUFA group which is honestly the real reason why you see this non significant increase in cancer death
                assuming again. why carcinoma and not lung cancer? does smoking cause every cancer ever? i doubt it

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >youre assuming this
                It's just logic more pufa = more pufa in the blood, do you have a reason to believe more PUFA in the blood happens because of consuming less PUFA? Post evidence or a logical reason
                >assuming again. why carcinoma and not lung cancer? does smoking cause every cancer ever? i doubt it
                There was less skin cancer in the PUFA group, do I know exactly why that was the case? No. Either way the result was not significant and it the biggest amount of carcinoma was seen with low adherers of PUFA so

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >It's just logic
                its not. the more saturated fat you eat the less in your blood. maybe its the same with the PUFA they measured. youre welcome to disprove it. you have thus far presented no real evidence for your assumptions

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >maybe its the same with the PUFA they measured
                It's not, they are different chains of fats who work differently so it doesn't follow and there's no evidence saying otherwise, in the study they specifically measured the amount of Linoleic Acid in the blood, the people with less Linoleic Acid had the most cancer

                >no large cancer increase, that's what a non significant result is
                thats not that means. it was just barely not statistically significant. by frequentist statistics it probably is significant. youre welcome to try and prove me wrong. none of this means large or small those are subjective

                It means not significant, only P=0.05 and below is significant, not P 0.06, all of clinical academia agrees with this to be the case so

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >maybe its the same with the PUFA they measured
                It's not, they are different chains of fats who work differently so it doesn't follow and there's no evidence saying otherwise, in the study they specifically measured the amount of Linoleic Acid in the blood, the people with less Linoleic Acid had the most cancer
                [...]
                It means not significant, only P=0.05 and below is significant, not P 0.06, all of clinical academia agrees with this to be the case so

                To add to this the amount of PUFA in the blood of the control group was lower than the PUFA intervention group so yeah this pretty much confirms what I said
                If we followed your logic then the saturated fat group consumed pufa than the PUFA group and that was not the case

                To finish this up I will quote the authors:

                >The most striking finding was the presence of linoleic acid (18:2) in the experimental diet at a level almost four times as high as that of the control diet, largely at th expense of the saturated fatty acids, particularly palmitic (16:0).

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >group consumed pufa than
                group consumed more pufa than**

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                more lipid peroxidation means less pufa in the blood
                you can probably guess what the relation of said lipid peroxides (HNE for example) is with cancer

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                now whats the p value on the mortality?

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >the authors who are biased in favor of their hypothesis explaining away why their experiment failed
                the hard evidence is people died of cancer and no mortality change. anything else is just an excuse

                For total mortality there was no change but I don't care about total mortality because it includes deaths that didn't happen during the intervention and deaths that had nothing to do with major end points, like accident deaths
                For mortality during the intervention there was a 30% increase of mortality for those in the saturated fat group and a 30% decrease in those in the PUFA group, I already posted the hard outcome data

                https://i.imgur.com/iwPXGED.png

                >that same trial showed people on vegetable oils got more cancer.
                Not significant, and the people who got more cancer in the intervention was the people that had lowest adherence to the diet, so PUFA was not responsible for cancer
                >and the mortality reduction was not 30% youve made that up
                No I didn't, pic related all the hard end outcomes, all cause morality was reduced by over 30% when you do the math
                Any hard end point 96 in the control vs 66 in the intervention
                Fatal cardiovascular death 70 in the control vs 48 in the intervention
                https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(70)90868-8/fulltext

                which you have no response other than bringing up total mortality which I already explained it's useless

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                it also means a few more people in the trial and it would be significant. just barely not statistically significant doesnt mean its not real just very slightly more likely it could be due to random chance (its not as other experiments human and animal indicate)

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Huge increase in cancer
              >Not important bro
              Fascinating

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                Not significant and the PUFA was not responsible for it not even the authors believe that nor anyone should

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >the authors who are biased in favor of their hypothesis explaining away why their experiment failed
                the hard evidence is people died of cancer and no mortality change. anything else is just an excuse

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                You're clearly a fricking idiot if you don't think a large increase in cancer is a big deal.
                And I'm sure you "just know" that the PUFA wasn't responsible. The voices in your head told you after all.
                Anyone that believes a dumb c**t like you deserves it.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >You're clearly a fricking idiot if you don't think a large increase in cancer is a big deal.
                There was no large cancer increase, that's what a non significant result is
                >And I'm sure you "just know" that the PUFA wasn't responsible. The voices in your head told you after all.
                No I mean the authors of the study themselves said so too, I quoted them at the end of this post exactly about that

                https://i.imgur.com/3WxD8v0.png

                I didn't say it was not real, I just said that is not significant like you claimed you mongoloid

                >either way there was no change in total mortality
                Total mortality includes deaths that happened outside the intervention, I only care about hard outcome data of the intervention and I already explained why, I posted such data already here [...] and there was over 30% reduction of mortality
                >carcinoma deaths were demonstrably higher no question
                Not significant and and highest carcinoma rate was seen in the people that had the lowest adherence to the invervention diet so PUFA had nothing to do with the increase in carcinoma

                I will the quote the authors of the study themselves about the cancer in the study:
                >"Many of the cancer deaths in the experimental group were among those who did not adhere closely to the diet. This reduces the possibility that the feeding of polyunsaturated oils was responsible for the excess carcinoma mortality observed in the experimental group.
                >A high incidence among high adherers would be expected if some constituent of the experimental diet were contributing to cancer fatality."

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >no large cancer increase, that's what a non significant result is
                thats not that means. it was just barely not statistically significant. by frequentist statistics it probably is significant. youre welcome to try and prove me wrong. none of this means large or small those are subjective

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                *what that means

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >meme
      Explain why its a meme with hard evidence and I'll consider your point of view.

  16. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >humans/protohumans eat saturated fats for hundreds of thousands of years
    >everyone is healthy even though they are always drunk and smoking
    >invent plant oils in 1911, originally intended to lubricate machinery
    >start eating plant oils because they are cheap and war rationing
    >government says plant oils are actually better for you
    >replace even more animal fat with plant oil
    >everyone is now fat and sick
    Obviously saturated fat bad, the government said so

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'm sure it wasn't the invention of vacuum cleaners
      >humans/protohumans use brooms and hands for thousands of years
      >everyone is healthy even though they are always drunk and smoking
      >invent vacuum cleaners in 1911, originally intended to clean the above posters butthole
      >start vacuuming because they are cheap and war rationing
      >government says vacuums are actually better for you
      >replace even brooms with vacuums
      >everyone is now fat and sick
      >Obviously broom is bad, the government said so
      Your brain(fog) on keto cultism

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Then how is it saturated fat, you dumb shit? We’re eating less saturated fat now then we were before. If saturated fat is bad then why would we have more heart disease? You >people are so fricking stupid.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >The introduction of an irrelevant cleaning device is as important to our metabolic health as the wholesale replacement of one of the 3 macronutrients with novel industrial sludge
        Use fewer analogies in your thinking, they're making you moronic

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Then how is it saturated fat, you dumb shit? We’re eating less saturated fat now then we were before. If saturated fat is bad then why would we have more heart disease? You >people are so fricking stupid.

          Anon was pointing out how your analogy of correlation does not equal causation you smooth brains

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            "Correlation does not equal causation" is a piece of midwit bumber-sticker wisdom that does not apply to as many situations as you think. If your aphorisms and analogies lead you to thinking that there's no plausible causation between between a massive overhaul to your diet and changes in your metabolic health, then they are turning you into a moron and you should use other types of thinking, such as using actual reasons. Try something like "the wholesale replacement of one of the 3 macronutrients with novel industrial slop warrants no concern about its effects on our health because ..."

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Those darned plant oils! I can't believe they have been making everyone fat and sick since...
      >checks notes
      3500 BC! It's all a conspiracy by the United States government that was founded in...
      >checks notes again
      1776!

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        You are either being disingenuous or are a fricking moron talking about shit he doesn't know about. Olive oil is primarily monounsaturated fat, and the oil is derived from the olive flesh itself, which is the fruit and not the seed. The argument anti-sneed oilers make is that consumption of seed oils, which are primarily polyunsaturated omega 6's, throw off the ratio of omega 6's to omega 3's, thus changing your cholesterol profile for the worse, causing an increase in the type of cholesterol that lodges itself in the endothelial walls which results in systemic inflammation.

  17. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    They’re not good for you.

  18. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    i eat em all day every day almost exclusively.

  19. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    kys moxyte

  20. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    eat em all the time
    healthy and good
    taste good
    your whole body is made of lean muscle and saturated fat
    what the frick do you suppose you should eat to have a healthy body?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous
      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >get BTFO and have no evidence
        >resort to paranoid name calling

        post body. I want to see how weak you really are

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Schizo behavior is thinking everyone is the same person. Ketoschizo.

  21. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    They're good.
    FDA shills against it because they want to harm people and make them dependent on insulin

  22. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Not a single informative post in the entire thread
    You're all useless

  23. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    I eat mostly saturated fats, it intuitively makes sense to me to avoid seed oils.

  24. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    sweet, another rightoid dietschizo thread

  25. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Every time I see someone post something on IST telling me not to do something, I do it.
    I will continue to consume saturated foods

    >Ok well I hope you enjoy dying early
    Oh well I'm so thankful I have some anonymous frick I will never meet care so much about my health

  26. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Health train coming through

  27. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    I eat butter and 5 eggs everyday >:D

  28. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Love them.

  29. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    He drank too much water

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      yeah he should eat sticks of butter to hydrate

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        preferably salted butter and not a whole stick of course

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >berg

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Reminder that you are not immune to propaganda and vegan infiltrators will post images like this without explaining things to prime you towards eventually trooning out and and going plant-based. Propaganda works 100% of the time and you WILL adopt false beliefs with constant spamming. Advertising is a billion-dollar industry because it works.
        This image is describing how water without electrolytes will sap your body of hydration, however the average IST user has been mindfricked by troony vegan propaganda. I'm talking to you, the lurker. Not the posters. They are too far gone.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Maybe he should not create misleading clickbait video titles then? If these Youtubers create videos with provocative titles like "Don't Drink Water" and the argument of the video is actually not that you should not drink water, then they deserve for people to ridicule them and write them off as morons without watching their videos. As for me, I'm not going to watch his video. I'm just going to remember that Dr. Eric Berg is a ~~*moron*~~ who believes that drinking water is bad for you.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Lmao do the ketos really think this.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          plain water will flush away the electrolytes in your body

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Video advices consumption of electrolytes to hydration
        >People that don't bother checking anything assume he is saying don't drink water
        >This are the same people telling you wich diet is good or bad for you.
        And this is why not a single one of you has a good body.

  30. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >How do you feel about saturated fats?
    it's ok if you eat a balanced diet, fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds, dairy, eggs, meat, fish and seafood etc... the more variety of food you eat the better

  31. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Paradox?

  32. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    I think people should eat more for good health.

  33. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    if you have shit genetics and can't clear out cholesterol properly you're fricked
    Otherwise probably fine, if you're eating enough to clog your arteries you're probably a fatty anyways

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      youve got it backwards assuming youre referring to familial hypercholesteromia. the liver cranks up production because it cant get enough cholesterol into your cells. the only problem is when you have excess clotting factors which sometimes come along with this

  34. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    You mean like hitting a fat chick with a super soaker?

  35. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >(P=0.06).
    Not significant, Like I said before the cancer rates were higher in the people who the the lowest adherence to the invervention, the authors themselves even said it, I can quote them if you want
    >mortality wasnt statistically different but the cancer rates were
    >total mortality
    You are quoting total mortality and that total mortality includes deaths that happened outside the intervention and deaths that had nothing to do with the major endpoints, for example total mortality includes deaths due to accidents too and that's useless I can quote from the authors this too if you want, I only care about hard end point data that happened during the intervention
    I already posted the hard end point data here that happened during the intervention and there was a over 30% reduction in mortality

    https://i.imgur.com/iwPXGED.png

    >that same trial showed people on vegetable oils got more cancer.
    Not significant, and the people who got more cancer in the intervention was the people that had lowest adherence to the diet, so PUFA was not responsible for cancer
    >and the mortality reduction was not 30% youve made that up
    No I didn't, pic related all the hard end outcomes, all cause morality was reduced by over 30% when you do the math
    Any hard end point 96 in the control vs 66 in the intervention
    Fatal cardiovascular death 70 in the control vs 48 in the intervention
    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(70)90868-8/fulltext

  36. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just don’t eat lots of processed food or fatty meat and you’ll be fine. It is difficult to eat heart-damaging amounts of saturated fat naturally.

  37. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >be mystery meat mutt
    >get heart attack
    It's all genetics BTW.

  38. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    And people say natural selection isn't a thing anymore
    It's nice for ketotards to remove themselves from the gene pool

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