This is the perfect example of "trust me, I'm a doctor" backfiring. That's like a band-aid that makes you need more band-aids until your entire back is fubar.
I blew my L4/L5 from second last warm up set with front squat, around 200lbs was on bar I think. There was other factors like alot of sitting at school and I lifted early in morning (disc fluids still little frozen). But other than that my techique didn't break or anything. It was just my time to enter snap city I guess.
Truth is if you put spine under massive amount of pressure the possibility of disc injury is very high. Compared to doing excercises which doesn't put so much pressure to spine. Choice is yours.
Squats and deadlifts are the only exercises which can prevent it from happening. You have to put a load on your spine if you want to strengthen it, there's no way around that. Just be smart about it. And before some brainlet writes his moronic opinion, yes, you can strengthen your bones and increase their density, look it up.
>Take NSAIDs >Walk more >See a physical therapist >Get an MRI/specialist who can do steroid injections into the herniated disc
It really depends how severe/chronic it is but these are your basic options. For me the first time physical therapy was enough and the 2nd time steroid injections were mandatory but gave me immediate relief. I'll warn you now that it's a long road back to normal so plan on 1-2 years to rebuild your body.
I have one in my lower back, the worst thing to do is try to lift through it. If you get early symptoms, go to the doctor and do physical therapy for a month or so, DO NOT LIFT HEAVY.
Got one and thought I was being a pussy about it and continued to lift heavy until the pain became unbearable and the injury became permanent.
You cannot get rid of a herniated disc, but can limit the pain. I went from being in constant agony to minimum pain after a year of having it.
My hernia is in my lower back so it might be different depending on where its located but this did it for me. >Stop lifting heavy compounds all the time, ohp/bench >STOP squatting or deadlifting period >Replace everything with calisthenic counterpart, once the pain decrease enough, start doing them weighted to build strength. >Get a stiff mattress and sleep in a fetal position. >If you sit at a desk a lot, switch to a standing desk. >Do core exercises, strength it as much as possible >Take anti inflammatory meds when it flares up >Avoid any weird twisting movements >Do spine decompression >Give it time, after a year or so the hernia shrinks a bit.
I went from constant back breaking pain, to almost nothing. Weighted pushups and pullups are extremely effective as well, ignore the SS rippletards. I am way stronger than i was before on bench, ohp and rows while being pain free.
>If you get early symptoms, go to the doctor and do physical therapy for a month or so, DO NOT LIFT HEAVY.
how would you know you have early symptoms? what would that look like?
my lower back often gets really tired doing squats or dead lifts, but it's more like lactic acid build up or something. it's always fine by the end of my workout
I had two herniated discs in my neck. Early signs are shooting pain down your arms or legs, a sharp pain on your spine, dull aching pain in the surrounding muscles, and numbness in your hands or feet. These symptoms progressively become worse over time without treatment.
Anon is correct, do NOT lift heavy when you start getting symptoms. Take a few weeks to rest and see a physical therapist. I was a dumbass and continued pushing myself at the gym thinking it would improve but it only worsened, now I've had two fusions in my neck and while I am generally pain free can no longer put pressure on my cervical spine which means no deadlifts, squats, or anything overhead with more than 20 pounds.
Original anon here, these where my symptoms at the start. >Lower back is abnormally sore for over a week or so after initial injury. >Start feeling pain in the region when sitting down or lifting. >Pain that shoots down the leg.
It started off mild, but progressively got worse as I tried to lift through it. It got to the point where I could not move my left leg due to the pain and inflammation.
Same boat basically. Deadlifts are kinda possible, but it feels safer to avoid them. Squats always give me minor pains for a few days in the lower back, even with baby weights. As you said though, it's not a big issue, you can still do a lot of stuff to stay athletic and it usually stays fine, only squats or lunges seem to flare it up right away.
>Give it time, after a year or so the hernia shrinks a bit.
This. There is hope anons. For many people the nerves adjust with time and the injury is mitigated.
Time. Got one in October of last year. Dealt with severe pain for months. Went away slowly in February. Mostly gone by summer. I lift heavy still but I know my limits and had to take off 4-5 months completely. All things are possible through Christ.
do a load of core exercises
do yoga (and work out which positions give you relief)
don't try anything that triggers it even slightly and use alternative exercises instead
>newbie egolifter snaps his shit up DLing/squatting
Many such cases.
The human spine isn't meant to withstand repeated repetitions of hundreds of pounds of force pushing in your vertebrae.
You don't need to squat/DL to get big, just do what monkeys do - basic body pulling movements.
Let this be a warning to all newbies - once you snap your shit up you've ruined your life. Stick to weighted pullups for a big back.
Weighted pull ups wont give you upper back, for me it was lats only
You could do some machine rows if you want to be safe, but deadlift is really upper back GOAT imo
Time. I fricked mine doing unilateral DB press of all things. Surgery is a scam, 5 year outcome is better without it unless you have severe foot drop. Just eat well, get plenty of glycine/gelatin/collagen, and exercise as best you can. Took about 7 months until I was doing big lifts again.
I was pretty new to lifting. I made a full recovery and went on to deadlift 5.5plate. Your blackpill advice is unbecoming, try making the world a better place with your precious time instead.
Ignore all morons about that were too low IQ to fix their own body
Determine direction of herniation
Do stretch that elongate the spine in that direction opening up that side to create a vacuum inside of the disc and suck the disk material back inside of the spine on your bed
Carefully, without squeezing the disk material back out, roll over on to your back and sleep with pillows on both sides of you so you don't change position at all while sleeping
Do LOTS (lots) (did I say a lot) of cardio to promote blood flow because they have almost no blood flow by default to allow the disk to heal
Don't do cardio that pushes the disk material back out of the disk
I healed an L5S1 posterolateral in 4 months and then went from not being able to put my shoes on to deadlifting 650 lbs for reps over the course of 5 years after the injury. Fully healed. MRI Confirmed original injury.
Please do not be a fricking brainlet and master your body.
Thanks brother. 4 months in I barely feel anything. Most important's been keeping physically active and a positive mindset. My case wasn't so bad apparently and went back to work after a weel of shots. Also been taking collagen, gelatin and milgamma along with my regular vitamins. What do you think of reverse hyper extensions? I believe in another 2 months I'll be healed enough to fortify my body with squats and deadlifts. Huge part of my strategy has been to tell my vody to go frick itself. Although unfortunately I don't yet feel confident enough to return to BJJ.
There are several treatment options for a herniated disc, and the best course of action will depend on the severity of your symptoms and the underlying cause of the herniation. Some treatment options include:
Rest and physiotherapy: In some cases, rest and physiotherapy may be enough to allow the herniated disc to heal on its own. Your physiotherapist can teach you exercises to help reduce pain and improve mobility.
Medications: Your doctor may prescribe pain medication to help manage your symptoms. Nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) such as ibuprofen and naproxen can help reduce swelling and pain.
Epidural injections: An epidural injection delivers corticosteroids directly to the area around the spinal cord, which can help reduce inflammation and pain.
Surgery: In severe cases, surgery may be necessary to repair or remove the herniated disc. There are several different types of surgery that can be used to treat a herniated disc, including microdiscectomy, laminectomy, and spinal fusion.
you don't. a surgeon does.
Spinal surgery for back pain is shit tier; do not get this
This is the perfect example of "trust me, I'm a doctor" backfiring. That's like a band-aid that makes you need more band-aids until your entire back is fubar.
Frick getting screws and stuff unless you’re already super old. Don’t they have stem cell bullshit for this yet?
I dunno, uncle Rip says only 1/3 of back surgeries do nothing and another 1/3 actually make things worse.
By keeping the metabolism up (there are many ways to do it)
How the frick do you prevent this from happening? I'm fricking scared bros...
dont ever ego lift on squats and deadlifts
I blew my L4/L5 from second last warm up set with front squat, around 200lbs was on bar I think. There was other factors like alot of sitting at school and I lifted early in morning (disc fluids still little frozen). But other than that my techique didn't break or anything. It was just my time to enter snap city I guess.
Im scarred, should I ever squat and deadlift if I dont want this to happen?
Truth is if you put spine under massive amount of pressure the possibility of disc injury is very high. Compared to doing excercises which doesn't put so much pressure to spine. Choice is yours.
Squats and deadlifts are the only exercises which can prevent it from happening. You have to put a load on your spine if you want to strengthen it, there's no way around that. Just be smart about it. And before some brainlet writes his moronic opinion, yes, you can strengthen your bones and increase their density, look it up.
You don't. Most people have them without even knowing it. They aren't as big an issue as people here want you to believe.
I'm recovering from a groin hernia, you're right to be scared.
>Take NSAIDs
>Walk more
>See a physical therapist
>Get an MRI/specialist who can do steroid injections into the herniated disc
It really depends how severe/chronic it is but these are your basic options. For me the first time physical therapy was enough and the 2nd time steroid injections were mandatory but gave me immediate relief. I'll warn you now that it's a long road back to normal so plan on 1-2 years to rebuild your body.
I have one in my lower back, the worst thing to do is try to lift through it. If you get early symptoms, go to the doctor and do physical therapy for a month or so, DO NOT LIFT HEAVY.
Got one and thought I was being a pussy about it and continued to lift heavy until the pain became unbearable and the injury became permanent.
You cannot get rid of a herniated disc, but can limit the pain. I went from being in constant agony to minimum pain after a year of having it.
My hernia is in my lower back so it might be different depending on where its located but this did it for me.
>Stop lifting heavy compounds all the time, ohp/bench
>STOP squatting or deadlifting period
>Replace everything with calisthenic counterpart, once the pain decrease enough, start doing them weighted to build strength.
>Get a stiff mattress and sleep in a fetal position.
>If you sit at a desk a lot, switch to a standing desk.
>Do core exercises, strength it as much as possible
>Take anti inflammatory meds when it flares up
>Avoid any weird twisting movements
>Do spine decompression
>Give it time, after a year or so the hernia shrinks a bit.
I went from constant back breaking pain, to almost nothing. Weighted pushups and pullups are extremely effective as well, ignore the SS rippletards. I am way stronger than i was before on bench, ohp and rows while being pain free.
>If you get early symptoms, go to the doctor and do physical therapy for a month or so, DO NOT LIFT HEAVY.
how would you know you have early symptoms? what would that look like?
my lower back often gets really tired doing squats or dead lifts, but it's more like lactic acid build up or something. it's always fine by the end of my workout
I had two herniated discs in my neck. Early signs are shooting pain down your arms or legs, a sharp pain on your spine, dull aching pain in the surrounding muscles, and numbness in your hands or feet. These symptoms progressively become worse over time without treatment.
Anon is correct, do NOT lift heavy when you start getting symptoms. Take a few weeks to rest and see a physical therapist. I was a dumbass and continued pushing myself at the gym thinking it would improve but it only worsened, now I've had two fusions in my neck and while I am generally pain free can no longer put pressure on my cervical spine which means no deadlifts, squats, or anything overhead with more than 20 pounds.
Original anon here, these where my symptoms at the start.
>Lower back is abnormally sore for over a week or so after initial injury.
>Start feeling pain in the region when sitting down or lifting.
>Pain that shoots down the leg.
It started off mild, but progressively got worse as I tried to lift through it. It got to the point where I could not move my left leg due to the pain and inflammation.
Same boat basically. Deadlifts are kinda possible, but it feels safer to avoid them. Squats always give me minor pains for a few days in the lower back, even with baby weights. As you said though, it's not a big issue, you can still do a lot of stuff to stay athletic and it usually stays fine, only squats or lunges seem to flare it up right away.
>Give it time, after a year or so the hernia shrinks a bit.
This. There is hope anons. For many people the nerves adjust with time and the injury is mitigated.
Neck hangs to failure
Time. Got one in October of last year. Dealt with severe pain for months. Went away slowly in February. Mostly gone by summer. I lift heavy still but I know my limits and had to take off 4-5 months completely. All things are possible through Christ.
do a load of core exercises
do yoga (and work out which positions give you relief)
don't try anything that triggers it even slightly and use alternative exercises instead
make peace with it, cos it's permanent
>newbie egolifter snaps his shit up DLing/squatting
Many such cases.
The human spine isn't meant to withstand repeated repetitions of hundreds of pounds of force pushing in your vertebrae.
You don't need to squat/DL to get big, just do what monkeys do - basic body pulling movements.
Let this be a warning to all newbies - once you snap your shit up you've ruined your life. Stick to weighted pullups for a big back.
Weighted pull ups wont give you upper back, for me it was lats only
You could do some machine rows if you want to be safe, but deadlift is really upper back GOAT imo
>an upperback exercise wont give you an upperback
Do you mean lower back?
I mean upper/mid traps and rhomboids
Lower back is easy to substitute with roman chair
Time. I fricked mine doing unilateral DB press of all things. Surgery is a scam, 5 year outcome is better without it unless you have severe foot drop. Just eat well, get plenty of glycine/gelatin/collagen, and exercise as best you can. Took about 7 months until I was doing big lifts again.
Hoe did you herniate a disk while doing dumbbell press? Lmao
You should maybe just stop lifting
I was pretty new to lifting. I made a full recovery and went on to deadlift 5.5plate. Your blackpill advice is unbecoming, try making the world a better place with your precious time instead.
Ignore all morons about that were too low IQ to fix their own body
Determine direction of herniation
Do stretch that elongate the spine in that direction opening up that side to create a vacuum inside of the disc and suck the disk material back inside of the spine on your bed
Carefully, without squeezing the disk material back out, roll over on to your back and sleep with pillows on both sides of you so you don't change position at all while sleeping
Do LOTS (lots) (did I say a lot) of cardio to promote blood flow because they have almost no blood flow by default to allow the disk to heal
Don't do cardio that pushes the disk material back out of the disk
I healed an L5S1 posterolateral in 4 months and then went from not being able to put my shoes on to deadlifting 650 lbs for reps over the course of 5 years after the injury. Fully healed. MRI Confirmed original injury.
Please do not be a fricking brainlet and master your body.
Thanks brother. 4 months in I barely feel anything. Most important's been keeping physically active and a positive mindset. My case wasn't so bad apparently and went back to work after a weel of shots. Also been taking collagen, gelatin and milgamma along with my regular vitamins. What do you think of reverse hyper extensions? I believe in another 2 months I'll be healed enough to fortify my body with squats and deadlifts. Huge part of my strategy has been to tell my vody to go frick itself. Although unfortunately I don't yet feel confident enough to return to BJJ.
>you have a herneated disc?
>just suck it back in, dummy
There are several treatment options for a herniated disc, and the best course of action will depend on the severity of your symptoms and the underlying cause of the herniation. Some treatment options include:
Rest and physiotherapy: In some cases, rest and physiotherapy may be enough to allow the herniated disc to heal on its own. Your physiotherapist can teach you exercises to help reduce pain and improve mobility.
Medications: Your doctor may prescribe pain medication to help manage your symptoms. Nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) such as ibuprofen and naproxen can help reduce swelling and pain.
Epidural injections: An epidural injection delivers corticosteroids directly to the area around the spinal cord, which can help reduce inflammation and pain.
Surgery: In severe cases, surgery may be necessary to repair or remove the herniated disc. There are several different types of surgery that can be used to treat a herniated disc, including microdiscectomy, laminectomy, and spinal fusion.
Read Back Mechanic by Stuart Mcgill
It has more information than anything this thread could offer you.
I think I got mine from sitting shoulder press LMAO
Just push it back in by lifting the other way?
fearing herniated disks is like fearing your skin aging