How do you handle shit talkers?

Not directly related to fitness but because IST deals with concepts such as mogging and social dominance I think it's the most qualified board. Bare with me please.

Ever since my teen years, I've encountered "shit-talkers". People who are quick witted and enjoy verbal confrontation. They like to use their words to flex on you and assert social dominance over you in some way.

The thing is, there is hardly ever any substance to what they say. They just say things, and then act like they are superior. Ever since I was in middle school, it has always thrown me off.

People will try this with me, and come at me with some baseless, stupid remark. I can see right through them. I logically know I am superior and smarter than them, but even so, you have to handle it in some way. I feel like if you don't respond, you look like a bitch to those around you.

I have always found it difficult to handle these situations. I hear what they say, and I analyze it in a cold, clinical way. But my brain does not autofill with quick, snappy remarks to combat them with.

How does one handle this type of person?

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I respond with some bullshit I came up with right then.
    Or I don't interact with them
    Or they don't do this because I am bigger than them.
    Ever since I got over 200lbs I don't encounter many people shit talking me.

    You can always respond with a super basic response.
    Like
    "get fucked"
    "your mom"
    "manlet"
    "gay"
    etc.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I think you just answered my question. Engaging people lowers you to their level. Maybe being so stacked you mog everyone around you is the solution. If they don't dare talk shit in the first place, no problems to worry about.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This

      Think of them like a baby crying or a dog barking, it's just there being annoying but it's not worth your time or attention

      Also, get bigger

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is very true. I was often bullied and tease at school, college, and work of all places. Then I hit bench everyday and got broad. Now no one talks to me...

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    what should I do if a guy says something when Im with my girl, shes gym thicc and guys like to say "he cant handle that" and she usually just chuckles and says "leave him"

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >she usually just chuckles
      it's so over for you

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        well it's not really a chuckle, more like air being released from her nose if you get what i mean

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          this bitch playing you. Get away before you get hurt

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          she's annoyed at it then, as I would be if someone insulted my partner.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I wouldn't ask IST or any IST board questions related to your gf

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >paying attention when other people talk to you
    Ngmi

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >I logically know I am superior and smarter than them
    so why haven't you thought of something to say yet
    >I hear what they say, and I analyze it in a cold, clinical way. But my brain does not autofill with quick, snappy remarks to combat them with.
    at this point they have already won, they want you to respond and when you do it proves you are a seething gay. just ignore them and get on with your life

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's different types of intelligence. morons are often quick witted and excel at talking shit. But does that make them superior? No they are morons.

      Imagine the difference between Beta and Theta brainwaves. That's what's going on.

      Imagine a moron attempting to talk down to a surgeon. It's apples and oranges.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        christ you need help

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          He's right. Blacks are often quick witted even when they're otherwise dumb. You don't often see that in other races.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Your self-image is wrong because if you were really superior and smarter than them you'd think of a witty retort. You also seem to think that being smart and logical is the only thing that matters, while social skills are actually a crucial part of interacting with the world.
    I made a webm but audio streams are not allowed, but I'll let Andrew explain it:

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Hahahah

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I usually call them a gay or worse without even bothering to look at them

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    call them morons. that sure will catch them off guard.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Violence, then they'll stop. Don't telegraph it or threaten them, just do it

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    For all the shit PUAs get this is one area they actually know what they're talking about. Google "agree and amplify" and "amused mastery". If you can't go toe to toe wit wise you can win by smiling like you know something they don't, acting like you don't give a fuck or taking what they've said and making a joke out of it by taking it even further. Defending yourself in any way is a guaranteed L.

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    By not caring what shit talkers say. If you laugh at it it takes away it's power, clearly it's not in your personality so dont do it back. It's garbage and you shouldn't feel ashamed that you can't shit talk good. You should be most concerned you care so much about it. If somebody is actually getting under your skin learn to stand up for yourself by telling cut that shit out. Learn to own all your insecurities and it won't be a problem. If you can learn to relax while it's happening, you can even learn to say witty shit that owns them. But first you have to not care

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    man the advice in this thread is absolute shit.

    op I know your feel. it happens to me too. blacks and youths are exceptionally good at it. I tend to just try and ignore most people's existence that I think might say some shit. keep some headphones in while going out.

    I've tried thinking of pre rehearsed comebacks but the quips people throw my way are never what I expect at the time.

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Watch how metokur "debates" and copy it, he's maxed out shit talking

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Usually I post my cock on IST when something like that happens to me, OP. It usually helps.

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you are in a friendly, formal or professional context the Socratic method can work fairly well. This type of subtle social "bullying" (for lack of a better word) only work when the bystanders don't realize the intent of the offender.

    Try responding with questions like:
    What do you mean?
    Why would you say that?
    What makes you feel that way?
    I didn't quite catch that, can you repeat?
    Why should I care what you have to say?

    As always, posture and non-verbal communication is key. You should aim to come across non-confrontational and slightly amused. Bystanders should get the impression that you don't care what the offender is saying but you are humoring them out of good will/politeness.

    This should work because you are reverting the social pressure of the situation back on them, and most midwits crumble under pressure. If they are actually intelligent and witty this strategy could backfire though, so be warned.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Try responding with questions like:
      >What do you mean?
      >Why would you say that?
      >What makes you feel that way?
      >I didn't quite catch that, can you repeat?
      >Why should I care what you have to say?
      How to be an insufferable killjoy 101

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This, the non-confrontational approach is key

      >Try responding with questions like:
      >What do you mean?
      >Why would you say that?
      >What makes you feel that way?
      >I didn't quite catch that, can you repeat?
      >Why should I care what you have to say?
      How to be an insufferable killjoy 101

      I slightly agree that those question make you a killjoy; but if you use them in the appropiate context, i.e. with a shit talker, they become essential. You can throw people off so much with
      >what do you mean?
      You just need to look at their eyes and ask it. It's surprising the quantity of people that get anxiety level 100 from that simple question.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Makes you look like a pussy.

      Instead say:
      >Who asked?
      >What has two thumbs and doesn't give a shit about your opinion? *point at yourself with your thumbs and say your name*
      >Oh sorry if I gave you the impression that I care about your bullshit.
      >When I want your opinion, I'll beat it out of you.
      >If God had wanted you to babble at me, He would have made you my wife.
      Or do pic related.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >>Oh sorry if I gave you the impression that I care about your bullshit.
        woman tier
        the rest in ok

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >woman tier
          How do you figure, you never talked to a woman.

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    You sound like a moron nerd

    Best strategy is to laugh it off and come up with your own snappy remark

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    if you dont have the comebacks ur getting mogged the same way you mog others and theres nothing they can do about it in the moment, either get bigger so theyre scared to talk shit or learn to talk shit back, or the most based of all is to actually not care

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Find something that will shut them down. If they're fat, "shut up bro, you're fat". Don't try to be reasonable. If they retreat, it makes them look like a spineless cunt. If they get angry, they'll look like a complete asshole.

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    "look fat look: here's the deal"

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      wanna try that again champ ?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Then you challenge the shit talker to a push-up contest.

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't say anything back I let my little KNIFE do the talking

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Knives don't have mouths so they can't talk bro

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        *stabs u 57 times in the chest*

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Stabbing is still not talking bro

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >t. gay dyel

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        See

        *stabs u 57 times in the chest*

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          you have to be 18 or older to post buddy

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      THE JUDAS KNIFE???

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >anon pulls his knife:

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      A-anon… nani?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      zach hadel itt

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why are you constantly in situations where people shit talk you? Are you in the military? I havnt experienced this since high school. In any case, just get fucking big, learn a martial art, then just physically threaten them. Usually just getting big alone will prevent this from happening.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The general rule of winning mogging is that whoever reacts less wins, and that it is very important to not have an emotional reaction.

      So say a guy insults you, some options are:
      >don't react at all
      >say a witty comeback if you have one
      >say a standard insult like "K gay", as long as it shows that you don't care but the other guy is a loser for caring
      >if they call out an insecurity hit them with an insecurity right back, so that they will learn very quickly to not insult you.
      >agree and amplify - gay leftists like to do this with the oppression olympics as a way of fitting in, but it can work well if pulled off correctly

      Construction industry has a lot of it.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >>don't react at all
        This can work great, but it only truly works if you truly don't react, and the other guy reacted at least a little bit in telling the joke.
        If the case of a nagging woman, not reacting means they will grind you down until you set some boundaries.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah honestly even when I go to the bar or something I very rarely will get into a situation that involves some douche shit talk me or my group, and we’re not antisocial fags that hang out in the corner. We banter with some strangers but it’s always all smiles.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah honestly even when I go to the bar or something I very rarely will get into a situation that involves some douche shit talk me or my group, and we’re not antisocial fags that hang out in the corner. We banter with some strangers but it’s always all smiles.

      It’s not something that’s typically done by randoms but rather a person in your group.

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just out retard them. Stupid people only listen to stupidity. Like pick up on one of their features (eg slightly off centre nose etc) and make a big deal about it and give them a shitty nickname

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Lmao, sad but true. Imagine what our species could be...

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The video of Tom Cruise getting sprayed by a water bottle and then absolutely chastising the person who did it is the ultimate anti-mog defense.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      what video?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous
  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ok dude so you're being bullied. What this means is your peers think you're doing something weird. It's natural to be social and these guys would not even look in your direction if they didn't like you. They want you to change whatever gay shit you're doing and join the pack. My best friends ever were my bullies at first. We still shit talk after 15 years

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      OP here, your reply kinda fucked with me a bit. You've given me an interesting perspective. Never even once considered that people who bully you may subconsciously have your best interest at heart. I hope that's how it works.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Kek he's right tho. I pondered your OP for a while, because I felt I have not encountered shit talkers since high school. Then I realized I am the one shit talking. It's not to be mean. Honestly. I shit talk Chad too but it just becomes banter, you see? When I try to banter with the weaker dudes in my friend group it probably comes off mean and belittling, because they fold the instant there is confrontation. It's quite difficult for me to put in words what you should do. Just don't take anything seriously - you can even make jokes at your own expense as a response. Keep your tone of voice neutral. It's just how males bond. Through banter. Getting defensive and trying to take down the other person will come off as weird, at least until you have practised a bit.

        Ignoring will come off as weird too, you can't just exist in a social environment and not play the social game.

        t. Brad (friend of chad)

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    you need to learn to fight. you wont give a shit what someone says to you when you know you can kill them barehanded.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Can confirm. Trained in various martial arts and all of that low T high cortisol social bullshit doesn't matter after you've fought. So long as you're alive and not severely maimed or injured then everything is fine.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        you need to learn to fight. you wont give a shit what someone says to you when you know you can kill them barehanded.

        So true, you just have a different energy to you when know how to fight. Knowing you can KO someone with 1 punch, or break someones knee with a kick or break their jaw with an elbow makes you not give a shit about what anyone says.

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    You can't win a fight with people like that in the sense that, regardless of how it goes, they will feel like they won and/or are correct. The information conveyed by either party is irrelevant since regardless both parties will think they're right at the end.
    I just say "ok" and don't engage.

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    reply to them in sign language, pretend to be deaf

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    used to be a somewhat introverted child, through my friends and competitive FPS I have become a professional shittalker, though I'm often the bottom of the leader board
    Like any muscle, even the brain, it's something you grow by use. The thickest armor cannot sfop the most potent projectile. Go on the offensive

  28. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    "Sorry I don't have any change"

  29. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    You kick them where it hurts, but not directly, somehow ironically and wittily.
    Everyone has a weakness: balding, manlets, no mom/dad, poorfag career, obsessed over toys/collectibles, drinks, DYEL, skinnyfat.
    Had a skinnyfat guy trying to act cheeky with me in front of his semi-hot girlfriend, asked me how I got so fit, I must have spent all of my free time in the gym. Replied that eating clean, lifting once a week and that sex is a good workout, cheekily winking at his gf. He got angry and slipped that he has lots of sex and it doesn't help him. I just told him that two minutes is not a very good workout.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Wtf i love you anon

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      what happens when you just have all the weaknesses stacked on your side? socially you're kind of fucked

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        You rope

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Good one.

  30. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >I logically know I am superior and smarter than them
    You are just a sperg gay. It is banter and if you cannot participate you are not as smart as you think you are.

  31. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    t.brainlet

  32. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    take the gooberpill

  33. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Sounds like some school yard scenario. In what setting do you encounter such people?

    My advice:
    >stop hanging around unsocial people
    >seek friends with a brain and emotional intelligence you can network with and/or build meaningful relations

    If you still encounter such people, ignore them. Don't waste your time with childish behavior. If they become physically hostile however, knock them out (and possibly steal their cash, watch and other non-traceable valuables from their body if the situation allows it)

  34. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    You are a pussy whos afraid to fight lol dominance is based on bluffing, if u look like u'd enjoy beating hte shit out of someone while tlaking to them u can say anything and theyll respect u
    today I got drunk and walked around town spitting on the ground and eyeing people to find a fight but because I looked like I'd just go to monkeytown nobody was brave enough
    I used to respect people too much when I was younger and I was afraid to throw punches even though I could break the other person, they could see it and I was made fun of
    Nowadays I treat people like dogshit and literally nobody disrespects me
    This is monkeys world, u get nowhere in life if u think ure a brain in a jar

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >today I got drunk and walked around town spitting on the ground and eyeing people to find a fight
      Unironically a moron.

  35. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    A lot of the time I just double down on whatever they are saying. Apply sarcasm/deadpan/etc. as the situation warrants. It takes the wind out of their sails and ruins it for them. Or they decide I'm funny and cool.

    Basic examples:

    "You're retarded."
    "What's your favorite crayon? Mine's blue, I think it tastes the best."

    "You're a gay."
    "Let me see your dick daddy. I've been practicing on suppressing my gag reflex."

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >"You're a gay."
      >"Let me see your dick daddy. I've been practicing on suppressing my gag reflex."
      Wrong answer.
      Correct answer:
      >Why, you cruising for a piece of man ass?

  36. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    How do I stop being a loser? No one really likes or respects me much, women aren’t interested in me, I struggle in general to meet and talk to new people.

  37. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Practice your shit talking on cod lobbies

    Kids always set themselves up when they say gg ez, I just say ez like your mom, that’s why you were born. And evolve from there something basic

  38. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The trick is never letting it visibly phase you. Same deal on the internet. When you let it glide past you they usually look like dicks. Otherwise you just make a joke back at them using your wit but don't self deprecate. Nothing is worse than being self deprecating to someone who is ripping on you

  39. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    You gotta talk like you can hang. Like you don't give a shit. I spent my youth around minorities and addicts so it's easy for me but I see normies get butt blasted in public all the time and I can't help but laugh at your guy predicament. Growing up poor really helps this

  40. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >at the club with a friend of mine
    >dancing with some girls
    >I'm doing that fist pump move to a song
    >guy coming out of the crowd is also feeling the music and does the move along with me
    >we're both wearing tank tops
    >as he gets closer we move our arms up and down in sync
    >he starts flexing and says "what you got bro"
    >we flex ceps right next to each other to compare
    >mine is bigger
    >he says "damn you beat me, and starts to walk away"
    >he then says I'm the nicest referee he's ever met
    >my tank top was black with vertical stripes
    >I reply with "I'd give you a red card but you're already used to rejection"
    >girl next to me laughs
    >his face when

    felt good, but I may have laid it on a bit too thick, it was honestly the first thing to come to my head, I was just trying to bant but it was obvious he took it pretty hard.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >he says "damn you beat me, and starts to walk away"
      >he then says I'm the nicest referee he's ever met

      Idk man, that was rude, could have become bros right there if you complimented him instead of letting him down like that

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        He did say it in a bitchy way, only reason why I said anything

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      sounds like y'all were flirting with each other

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      That is the gayest story I think I've ever read on IST. And I just came from an r9gay thread.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Busting balls is fun.

  41. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Shit testing is going to happen and when it does, the best thing you can do is find ways to visibly not be affected by the remarks and actually patronize your opponent and make them appear immature and insecure. You can also just agree and amplify and turn the situation into something funny.
    >"Oh wow Anon, do you work out because you're overcompensating for something?"
    >"Damn bro, you know that you don't have to make yourself look insecure with obvious shit-testy comments"

    or

    >"oH wOw lOoK aT tHe bIg gUy oVeR hErE!!!"
    >"Thanks for noticing. I will admit that I've been taking a lot of zumba classes and eating my own cum recently."

    I've used the second scenario response a few times and it always gets some good laughs.

  42. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Literally just do the saitama “ok” and go back to what you’re doing. If they’re persistent call them a bitch and go back to what you’re doing.

  43. 2 months ago
    sage

    The real issue is that you have people talking shit to you at all. Bullies will only target people that wont fight back. I used to be the type of person to not fight back and i got bullied. Thats probably why i decided to get strong and learn how to throw a punch. My face looks different than it used to. I look like i could kill a motherfucker. So yeah i dont get bullied anymore and i'd consider someone to be very foolish if they tried

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Can you offer me advice? I’m the guy posting paragraphs below you. This shit always happens. They push and prod and I genuinely don’t give a fuck so I don’t even react, and so they keep doing it until I’m having a shitty time in life or they cross a line for me, and I snap and put them in their place and then I’m the bad guy. Everyone ignores them fucking with me but the second I pick someone up and slam them or verbally go for the throat everyone takes notice and I’m seen as some unhinged psychopath. Like I’ve had co workers belittle me for a full year with no reaction from me, everyone witnessed it and said nothing or joined in even, and then after a year I pushed the guy 10 feet onto his ass and told him “stop fucking with me you’re a weak gay.” And everyone’s against me.

      Obviously the shit isn’t bantering either

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Get jacked

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        popularity contest. They sense you have lower social status so they feel the right to abuse you. Striking back is going above your position. Normies hate it when someone with percieved lower social rank is better than them at something. It implies they're the one with low status, or that they're lower than someone as low as you and it hurts so they find ways to reconfigure reality in their head until they're right and you're wrong.

        typical lemming/leftist social dynamics

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          > typical lemming/leftist social dynamics
          The guy in question is a poster child leftie soiboy cuck but what you posted makes a lot of sense. He’s a manlet and I’m tall, I’m the newcomer to this social circle so he’s doing all he can to inflate himself. Others in this group have talked to me about it, calling it totem pole shit and saying it needs to stop. I would make the analogy that it’s like he has some imaginary social credit system based on points.
          When he got his first GF it got even worse. I realized he was begging me to hang out with him so he could do this shit in front of her. Dude had to be right next to this girl 24/7 and refused to do anything unless it was something she wanted to do or thought of. “No bro we can’t game she’d be left out (for a whopping 30 minutes/the entire night)”.
          I ultimately just cut him off after getting tired of it. He’s having issues with his bitch now and keeps hitting me up after I told him I’m no longer interested in being buddies.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        normies don't think social interaction is special. so they see normal shit, normal shit, normal shit, and then all of a sudden you do something 'out of turn'. you do something animated and explosive, something that could have hurt someone.

        that, in the eyes of a normie, is a bigger 'violation' than normal conversation, even if it's a little rude or snarky. that is why. normies are weary of abnormal people (im sure we both know this from experience).

        one thing I will put out there - learning social skills has huge returns given the number of normies out there, especially normies that control your salary. so learn to be a normie in little bursts. literally 2 or 3 minutes at a time. if you're skilled enough, you won't have to 'be normal' for longer than that and it won't be an exhasting charade or anything. trust me, this will have huge, huge returns.

        the way people treat me now is night and day compared to a few years ago when an instructor at a programming class said I was "staring at her like a serial killer" with clear annoyance in her voice. i legitimately considered killing myself after that zoom call. i was convinced i will never be anything close to normal.

        but with a new job, new city, etc. nobody knows how abnormal I was back then. because now I can pull it out for a few minutes. and honestly, nobody backs me into a corner where I have to do it for longer than that. they just accept it as "Oh, anon is an introvert, so he won't really want to go out for drinks with us" and it's not a huge deal.

  44. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Hey man I can shed light on this as I’ve struggled with it too. What you describe is an amount of shit talking most people don’t see or experience. We mention it once and people just assume we’re bitching over nothing but it’s a constant thing. Yeah everyone deals with it, but not on this level. I can mostly say what I’ve determined it to be in my case but I believe it will help you too.
    So the biggest shit talkers I know are manlets. For me I’m 6’2”, good frame, but I’m reserved and introverted and I’m also generally pretty kind to people. If someone shit talks me or gives me any crap I normally don’t care (because I’m used to it and it takes nothing from my own life) and don’t even really react. These manlets will then convince themselves it’s fear or stupidity or something and it makes them feel good and big to have a punching bag my size. Every now and again I’ve gotten fed up if I was having a hard time and snapped or lashed out and then everyone who they cry to just sees me as the bad guy who bullied a man half my size. I go for the throat when I retaliate, and it’s really not a good habit. It’s not just manlets, but I noticed 90% of the time in my life at school or work or social circles it’s from a guy around 5’5” or below.
    I recently cut off my best friend for this. 5’2” gay who would try to insist he was 10x more intelligent than everyone. He’s actually a bumbling moron but that’s besides the point. He would do the same stuff and it was obviously a way of stroking his own ego. Any chance he got to belittle someone myself included he took even if like you said it made zero sense. For example, he didn’t understand sarcasm. If I said “oh yeah I’m actually a Trump superfan and I only beat off with a pic of him watching me.” He would turn around and tell everyone
    >Guys I found out something crazy. Anon is a hardcore Trumper! He said he jacks off to his pictures!!!
    In a completely serious way.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The guys entire life revolves around trying to make himself feel better than other people. He was an elitist and only thought music, movies, shows, anime, manga, food/restaurants were good if a majority of people held it in high regards. If someone he considers beneath him finds something or introduces him to something genuinely good, even if it is held in high regards by many, and he didn’t find it in his own, it was considered terrible by him and shit all over. I even tested this. Made some desert for a party from my country and he said it was horrible and idk what I’m doing (I’ve baked as a hobby since I was 7 years old following my grandmothers old recipes to a T, my shit is good.) so a week later at another party I went out and bought the same deserts from a bakery. They tasted different than mine but still really good. He does the same stuff thinking I made it.
      He would also talk mad shit behind my back to mutual friends thinking I never knew or never heard about it afterwards.
      Some people can’t help but hate on others because they hate themselves. This same guy was suicidal when we began hanging and BEGGED me crying to hang out with him and I did. He gets out of his slump and pulls this shit. If we hung just the two of us he was chill. Other friends around and he belittles and talks shit about me or others. Dude got a 3/10 obese girlfriend and it was like a bomb went off. His entire existence is convincing himself and her that he’s better than he is by trying to make others look bad.

      Anyways to the point these people are just fucking losers. Seriously dude, ask yourself this: Would anyone who was confident or happy with themselves and their life be wasting this much time on another person? They’re weaker than you. Why care about someone weaker than you lol

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Hey man I can shed light on this as I’ve struggled with it too. What you describe is an amount of shit talking most people don’t see or experience. We mention it once and people just assume we’re bitching over nothing but it’s a constant thing. Yeah everyone deals with it, but not on this level. I can mostly say what I’ve determined it to be in my case but I believe it will help you too.
        So the biggest shit talkers I know are manlets. For me I’m 6’2”, good frame, but I’m reserved and introverted and I’m also generally pretty kind to people. If someone shit talks me or gives me any crap I normally don’t care (because I’m used to it and it takes nothing from my own life) and don’t even really react. These manlets will then convince themselves it’s fear or stupidity or something and it makes them feel good and big to have a punching bag my size. Every now and again I’ve gotten fed up if I was having a hard time and snapped or lashed out and then everyone who they cry to just sees me as the bad guy who bullied a man half my size. I go for the throat when I retaliate, and it’s really not a good habit. It’s not just manlets, but I noticed 90% of the time in my life at school or work or social circles it’s from a guy around 5’5” or below.
        I recently cut off my best friend for this. 5’2” gay who would try to insist he was 10x more intelligent than everyone. He’s actually a bumbling moron but that’s besides the point. He would do the same stuff and it was obviously a way of stroking his own ego. Any chance he got to belittle someone myself included he took even if like you said it made zero sense. For example, he didn’t understand sarcasm. If I said “oh yeah I’m actually a Trump superfan and I only beat off with a pic of him watching me.” He would turn around and tell everyone
        >Guys I found out something crazy. Anon is a hardcore Trumper! He said he jacks off to his pictures!!!
        In a completely serious way.

        >turbo-manlet is an insecure piece of shit who belittles everyone around him
        many such cases

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          It’s not just manlets, but they disproportionately do that crap. Of all turbo manlets I’ve met 1 was actually a cool dude and ironically he was the shortest. Not even 5’. He was jacked but it didn’t even seem like he was compensating. Just a genuinely cool guy who treated everyone with kindness, super confident. He was a mini chad. Got girls easily.
          All others were geeky gays who got off on belittling anyone they thought they could.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            my best friend is a turbo manlet like 5' 3. And the same as your friend also super nice. Not all are bad but i treat manlets like morons, around manlets never relax

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        i know a shit talker. hes my older brother. he's had a pretty ugly personality basically his entire life. it's weird because as a kid i thought he was cool because I just figured older guys were cool I guess. now I realize nothing I did would have gotten his respect in any way, he went out of his way to shit on others and feel superior.

        now, to no surprise to anyone with life experience, he's a 35-year-old burnout that can't hold down a job or a relationship. he also lives paycheck to paycheck despite making 6 figures when he DOES have a job (as a programmer). hes legitimately absolutely terrible with money and has literally asked everyone in the family for money while he's employed.

        that's how mismanaged his life is.
        my parents keep on guilting me to moving back to where they are so I can be near them. but that's where he is, so it's a no-go for me. he lives near them so that he can live in one of their houses for free, by the way (which im sure also doesn't surprise anyone that has a decent amount of life experience)

        anyways, such is life. honestly the less I think about it the happier I am. but i know just from observing my own life quality that thinking about people that irritate me literally serves no purpose. distract yourself. if you have no distractions, then that is your primary task - to make distractions. pick up hobbies, make friends, make money to buy distracting things. eventually you'll be so distracted with your own life that you'll wonder why you ever cared in the first place.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      get better friends
      stop wasting time on low-quality people

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I already cut them off. Last straw was too much to ignore. I’m just grinding solo now with a modest goal of having a business to support myself and achieve a position in life to travel a few times a year with my dog.

  45. 2 months ago
    LaserAnonsBiggestFan

    Shit talker here.
    Being a shit talker is shit and we have miserable lives because of it. It comes from insecurity and just wanting to be liked too much. The best way to turn shit talking into your advantage is to be like "hell yeah man, you got the hottest takes and should do stand up or something". That disarms a shit talker unless they are a manlet. Manlet shit talkers are some of the biggest psychos.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      > Manlet shit talkers are some of the biggest psychos.
      I’m

      Hey man I can shed light on this as I’ve struggled with it too. What you describe is an amount of shit talking most people don’t see or experience. We mention it once and people just assume we’re bitching over nothing but it’s a constant thing. Yeah everyone deals with it, but not on this level. I can mostly say what I’ve determined it to be in my case but I believe it will help you too.
      So the biggest shit talkers I know are manlets. For me I’m 6’2”, good frame, but I’m reserved and introverted and I’m also generally pretty kind to people. If someone shit talks me or gives me any crap I normally don’t care (because I’m used to it and it takes nothing from my own life) and don’t even really react. These manlets will then convince themselves it’s fear or stupidity or something and it makes them feel good and big to have a punching bag my size. Every now and again I’ve gotten fed up if I was having a hard time and snapped or lashed out and then everyone who they cry to just sees me as the bad guy who bullied a man half my size. I go for the throat when I retaliate, and it’s really not a good habit. It’s not just manlets, but I noticed 90% of the time in my life at school or work or social circles it’s from a guy around 5’5” or below.
      I recently cut off my best friend for this. 5’2” gay who would try to insist he was 10x more intelligent than everyone. He’s actually a bumbling moron but that’s besides the point. He would do the same stuff and it was obviously a way of stroking his own ego. Any chance he got to belittle someone myself included he took even if like you said it made zero sense. For example, he didn’t understand sarcasm. If I said “oh yeah I’m actually a Trump superfan and I only beat off with a pic of him watching me.” He would turn around and tell everyone
      >Guys I found out something crazy. Anon is a hardcore Trumper! He said he jacks off to his pictures!!!
      In a completely serious way.

      The guys entire life revolves around trying to make himself feel better than other people. He was an elitist and only thought music, movies, shows, anime, manga, food/restaurants were good if a majority of people held it in high regards. If someone he considers beneath him finds something or introduces him to something genuinely good, even if it is held in high regards by many, and he didn’t find it in his own, it was considered terrible by him and shit all over. I even tested this. Made some desert for a party from my country and he said it was horrible and idk what I’m doing (I’ve baked as a hobby since I was 7 years old following my grandmothers old recipes to a T, my shit is good.) so a week later at another party I went out and bought the same deserts from a bakery. They tasted different than mine but still really good. He does the same stuff thinking I made it.
      He would also talk mad shit behind my back to mutual friends thinking I never knew or never heard about it afterwards.
      Some people can’t help but hate on others because they hate themselves. This same guy was suicidal when we began hanging and BEGGED me crying to hang out with him and I did. He gets out of his slump and pulls this shit. If we hung just the two of us he was chill. Other friends around and he belittles and talks shit about me or others. Dude got a 3/10 obese girlfriend and it was like a bomb went off. His entire existence is convincing himself and her that he’s better than he is by trying to make others look bad.

      Anyways to the point these people are just fucking losers. Seriously dude, ask yourself this: Would anyone who was confident or happy with themselves and their life be wasting this much time on another person? They’re weaker than you. Why care about someone weaker than you lol

      and I haven’t even touched half the shit that little runt would do. I love the stories I have though, I find it all pretty amusing.
      >drunkenly walk into bathroom at his apartment
      >dudes taking a shit, see his penis by mistake
      >legit just a little nub like what Eric Cartmen had in that south park episode. Just a tiny acorn penis head. Even on soft mode it was tiny
      >within a week at next hangout he’s telling everyone and glancing at me that he has a 9 inch horse cock
      >lol
      >don’t say anything but grin, he gets pissy
      >every time I hang with this circle he starts randomly mentioning or finding any excuse to talk about his 9 nine inch horse cock
      >never say a word and let him make a fool of himself
      >finally get annoyed with it because I’m not trying to talk about dudes dicks so I engage the convo with him, ask him how he measures, guy says he starts at the bottom (I would be 18” if I started at the bottom lmfao)
      >ffw couple years I start dating/having sex again first time in half a decade since I was 20, have issues having sex with girl because im too thick
      >my dick isn’t huge but it’s proportionate to my body, 7”x5.5” head is way thicker
      >mention to this friend group what happened
      >now manlets gf can’t stop bringing up my dick in front of this absolute cucks face
      >for weeks she casually mentions stuff like “wow anon got so scared, he almost peed. It would probably only be wet on one side near his knee though haha”
      >[forget the context here] “well for those of us who wanted to see anon without clothes… I feel like anon has a good penis”
      >does it in front of her mom who calls her out on it
      I hated it because I knew it would only make the guy more insecure and more of a dickhead which it did.

      I’ve met chill manlets who were 4’11” chads who pull tons of bitches, and manlets who were just extremely insecure babies. They’re just coping imbeciles.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Why do people dick fraud so hard, i had a friend who is like 6' 2 and for 10 years that I knew him he always said he was 10 inches and that he measured it himself.
        Anyway
        >one day Im at my friends house and I need to borrow his phone because mine died
        >screenshot this one address
        >go into his camera roll to find it so i can send it to myself
        >his camera roll works backwards, latest pics are last, oldest pics are first
        >have to scroll through a bunch of crap
        >scroll to the end
        >next to the screenshot are a bunch of his dickpics
        >he's like 6.5 inch max

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I have no clue man. Like I cannot find any real logic in it. I understand it’s rooted in insecurity but what does it actually accomplish?
          >heheh, all these guys are totally intimidated by me now. *buys into his own lie* they’re afraid their girlfriends will cheat with me because I’ve made it known I have a huge cock. Solid 10” [starting from the gooch]
          Like what kind of coping delusional retard shit is that? Imagine living in Antarctica as a scientist on a research team wearing layers on layers and huge jackets that hide all form of one’s frame and physique and having severe body dysmorphia because you’re a skinny fat and telling all your scientist co workers
          >hey guys I’m jacked. Im super strong and jacked. Im literally single digit bodyfat and 220lbs under all these clothes
          Sex is was more than just thrusting. Shit, most dudes only ever jackhammer donkey fuck women and wonder why they can’t make a girl cum. If your dick is at least 5.5” and average girth you’re fine. Size does matter to a degree obviously but it’s more so about having a dick they can feel. If your bitch isn’t ran through and desensitized or a size queen you’ll do fine if you can actually fuck.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            well its just funny because im 8 inches (grew from 6.5in) and working on my girth with a bathmate, but when I started reading actual studies on dick size its funny to hear when people say theyre 8 or 9 inches because about 70% of men are around 4.75-5.5. So chances are some random guy who says he is 8 inches or 9 inches is lying, there was a street interview where this guy was asking people their dick size and it ranged from 7-12 inches. Which is statistically impossible.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              It is funny. I’ve had a normal 5” dick and from 18-25 it grew to my current size. I’ve fucked with it at 5”, at 6” and at its full size. Yeah there’s a difference in my sex life but I’ve since stopped chasing my own nut like I’m fucking a human fleshlight.

              my best friend is a turbo manlet like 5' 3. And the same as your friend also super nice. Not all are bad but i treat manlets like morons, around manlets never relax

              Yeah dude the thing that gets me is I had zero concept of other peoples height until I was 20. I didn’t even know I was considered tall and always thought I was perfectly face to face with everyone. It wasn’t until I began getting hit on by women (just them asking how tall I am and shit like that) in a college club at a fundraiser thing that I realized.
              After that I started to take notice that the only people who disliked me in my circles were manlets. I got along great with everyone, but manlets and fatties would always make these e passive aggressive remarks and seemingly try to goad reactions out of me.
              I’m kind to everyone by default which is why it bothers me. These runts are the only ones putting themself in an inferior category based on height, getting sensitive and trying to attack me, which is the most ironic part about it. If I was giving them shit first okay sure but I never do.
              Everyone has insecurities, they need to GROW up

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                im 5' 11 so still above average, but I remember being 5' 6. It was pretty annoying when A LOT of women were taller than me. So i couldnt imagine being like 5' 2 as a guy. I feel bad for them but yea they were to grow up lol. Some people have it way worse, no legs, facial deformities etc. I'm a last year medical student and the pediatric hospital always humbles me, seeing how fucked up some of these kids are

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I only grew to over 6’ at 17/18 with a last minute growth spurt from 5’9” so I sort of get it. But it’s not like I’m some chad. I’m quiet introverted and keep to myself, I get shy and nervous with women from growing up fat and ugly. I understand why they’re the way they are but it still annoys me quite a lot. I have nothing to do with their genetics or insecurities and I’m not about to be some cope punching bag for what’s essentially just a chihuahua pissing itself when any animal larger than a house cat crosses its path

                And yeah working in medicine will always show you how well you have it. It’s made me even nicer to people. I no longer road rage at old people having seen how often elderly couples are taking care of their critical care spouses in their old age.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      fellow shit talker here.

      you are GAY and a FUCKING IDIOT and i would bet my left and right nut that you have a tiny, tiny little weiner.
      i fucked your mom, and i will do it again.

  46. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Well, I have the wit so I revel in the company of clever people. I'm also large and muscular so to try and get to me is already a rare encounter by somebody making a very active effort. I also surround myself with positive people, so I don't really have to care if somebody is making that active effort. So you wouldn't want to imitate me.

    That being said, I have to imagine to most energy efficient way to deal with people who come at you is being laconic and stoic. Read philosophy by the stoics and put it into practice and it'll come out when you're pressed if you've internalized it. You know how "come and take it" was coined by the Spartan king after a series of witty, short retorts to the Persians? It'd be shit like that. Unsolicited advice? "I only like to take advice from people I admire." Unsolicited criticism? "Clearly you don't get paid much for your critiques if you're giving them out for free." Unsolicited emotion? "You should save that emotion for someone more meaningful than me." Something that actually gets to you? Laugh and say, "You got me there." A demand (as a display of masculinity)? "I'm good." Basically, if you don't want to mince words like I do, disengage. Much like self-defense, don't look like the weakest target and/or have somebody else there on your side. If you're not me, then you're not there to work the audience and hit them with an ad hominem. You're not there to oversimplify and then call them a nerd when they elaborate. You're not there to say something interesting, wait for a reply, then ask them how they'd get bitches with that. I like to be annoying. Just disengage.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Come_and_take_it

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Way, way too complicated. Verbal Aikido.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        All I said is that you should read and practice stoicism. Based speed reader

  47. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Usually it varies. I just tell them 'fuck you' or 'get lost.' Sometimes if they're just annoying I'll just tell them 'Quit talking to me.' 'Get lost.'

    You could always do the "softer" stoic approach. Just tell them simply 'Do not disrespect me.' or 'Don't do that.'

    Moral is, don't take shit. Don't be scared.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >You could always do the "softer" stoic approach. Just tell them simply 'Do not disrespect me.' or 'Don't do that.'
      That's a good one actually.
      Setting boundaries with woman like that can be very helpful.

  48. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    are they white?
    >Fuck you moron lover.
    are they any other race?
    >Fuck you moron.

  49. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Be being a better shit talker.

  50. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    It’s all about the ironic humor. Agree and amplify to such a ridiculous degree that whoever shit tests you looks small and stupid for even trying

  51. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >read all 6000 words
    >still didn’t comprehend what I was saying
    Retard. You’re actually slow. The point of the post was that I understand what OP is saying and have experienced it too many times and that I also hate how it gets to me but also that I understand why it shouldn’t.

    I bet you thought you did something with that gay picture.
    >*pushes up glasses*
    >heh, heh, this’ll make him le angry and I can post it on leddit
    Guess what gay, I like trump.

  52. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    a condescending "Ok" expressing youre just bored of their bs shuts them down . it gets an amplified effect if you just ignore them for a while

  53. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Act like you didn't hear them but not in an aggressive way. So "sorry, can you repeat that?" Instead of "say that again." Forcing them to repeat a joke weakens it's effectiveness, then you just smile or give a pity laugh and say "good one," or something similar.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah you really do have autism. They won't repeat themselves, they'll just keep talking shit and then everyone will laugh as you totally failed to defend yourself.
      You're making yourself look like a deaf retard in front of everyone.

  54. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Pepper spray usually works.

  55. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >How do you handle shit talkers?
    Wouldn't a smarter man simply walk away?

  56. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Act like you couldn't understand what they said and force them to repeat themselves
    Just smile and nod, give short ironic responses if you have to like "How'd you know?" "You've been spying on me?" etc.
    Then just break it off, start talking to someone else, or look at your phone, like you don't give fuck about them

  57. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    if you really feel compelled to say something just say "okay". why are you wasting time and energy thinking about things like this unless these "shit-talkers" are family/close friends/gf. who gives a shit what a rando says, just say okay and move on. i'd bully the fuck out of you since it seems like you make it fun and easy

  58. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Don't think much of it, but try doing the same thing, except positively
    Just say semi-believable, stupid shit with a straight face while maintaining eye contact
    This is literally 70-80% of the way to being the funny guy, the rest is a stupid grin and fistbumping

  59. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    So i used to get bullied a lot, I wasnt small or anything or a nerd, I played rugby, tennis and did MMA. I just always took it like a moron. And it came from a abandonment wound i had, where my mind basically thought if i say something mean back to this person they will leave me just like my dad did (he died when I was a kid). So i never said anything mean because better for them to stick around and be mean than for them to leave.
    Obviously this is super toxic and self-destructive, this never happens to me now also because I think i put out a idgaf/i will kill you energy (going on 15 years of MMA now). But there were a few times in the past 2 years some people tried some shit with me, 1 guy i put in the hospital (the police classified it as self defense since he started) and the rest I either ignore, call them a gay/garden gnome and ignore or engage them and what i noticed that works to destroy someones ego for life and get them to leave you alone is call them ugly/make fun of their facial appearance and say that their breath smells.

  60. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I was a fat retard all of my life, having to deal with these people sometimes. In high school, I just let myself get bullied, in my first job, I tried to counter argue with facts and logic, eventually learned there's two options here
    >make a completely savage joke
    >just tell the person to fuck off showing you're annoyed
    This can escalate, but you shouldn't have this fear once you're a adult, it's absolutely worth the gamble of a minuscule chance of fightning than looking humiliated around people you see daily, the latter will make you depressed. If you can't come up with some savage insult in a second, which nobody does it's all preconceived, the best thing you can do is just say "fuck off with this shit" or "fuck you". You don't have to be reasonable with unreasonable people.

  61. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    What the fuck is wrong with you? I'm 30 and I've never had this happen in my entire life. Is this some manlette problem I'm unaware of?

  62. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >But my brain does not autofill with quick, snappy remarks to combat them with.
    Just ignore it then or look at them with disgust.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/GRzrH72.jpg

      Not directly related to fitness but because IST deals with concepts such as mogging and social dominance I think it's the most qualified board. Bare with me please.

      Ever since my teen years, I've encountered "shit-talkers". People who are quick witted and enjoy verbal confrontation. They like to use their words to flex on you and assert social dominance over you in some way.

      The thing is, there is hardly ever any substance to what they say. They just say things, and then act like they are superior. Ever since I was in middle school, it has always thrown me off.

      People will try this with me, and come at me with some baseless, stupid remark. I can see right through them. I logically know I am superior and smarter than them, but even so, you have to handle it in some way. I feel like if you don't respond, you look like a bitch to those around you.

      I have always found it difficult to handle these situations. I hear what they say, and I analyze it in a cold, clinical way. But my brain does not autofill with quick, snappy remarks to combat them with.

      How does one handle this type of person?

      You can also simply say
      >Are you okay?
      And give them a bit of a concerned look. I imagine if they kept trying after that you could just take moral high ground especially if others are watching and say something to the effect of
      >seriously what’s going on? You’re emotional but I know it’s not me you’re mad at. What’s up buddy let’s talk about it
      And then when they get wierd about it or if they keep going a simple
      >Wow, okay well I hope you work through that
      Just try and sound like you’re being genuine about it

  63. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Deal with it with direct threats of violence, especially in front of people. "If you don't stop with your faggy little bullshit (or you can say something like, 'snide little remarks' to keep it PG if you want) then you and I are going to have to fight." Most people are terrified of physical confrontation, which is why they attempt to gain status through verbal dominance. If you want to be even more direct, you can say that you'll beat their ass or slap them like a bitch if they continue. Then, you have to actually follow through if they do. If you don't, you're automatically the lowest person in the group.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      That’s the thing, many of these manlets have never actually been hit because they grew up as the little guy. Most people are more willing to let bullshit slide instead of harming a physically inferior individual. They will usually keep it up. They might chill for a minute but they’ll start up again, or they’ll play the victim card and say something to the effect of
      >wow you’re mentally unhinged holy shit you’re crazy you’re literally crazy idk what you’re talking about
      And try to gaslight everyone. You literally have to follow through if you do that because if you don’t they will only get worse. You also then have an obligation for the rest of the world to put these losers in their place so they’re afraid to do that shit to other people.

  64. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Like other anons itt said, make sure they know you don't care. "Sure thing mate" etc.
    Eventually to try and goad you further they may get physical, then you knock their ass out. I've done this before and people still shit talk but they know to respect my boundaries and do it behind my back. Insecure morones

  65. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    As you grow wiser you will realize that retention becomes more important than conquest. Analyze what you have to gain or lose in a social situation before engaging. This advice will not help you win more social contests but it will help you lose fewer of them.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yep, its more about defense than offence.
      Putting out the fires that other people throw at you.
      If you constantly try to mog other guys you create a lot of enemies, that will very likely get their revenge at some point, such as by shit-talking you or socially ostracizing you. So you win short-term, but lose long-term.

  66. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Are these just randoms and or people you interact with a lot? If it's randoms then you probably just invite it by looking like a chip on shoulder retard.

    If it's family/friend/coworker then they know your personality, so think... do they do this around everyone? Or just you? Because if they are a narcissistic douche all the time you can just ignore it. If they specifically dig into you consistently then it likely means you've done something that irritates them and they are making it clear they don't respect you. In that case you should address it, just call them out on it and ask why they act that way towards you.

    eg: "What's the deal dude? I've noticed that you're really rude and dismissive of me lately. If I did something to piss you off don't be scared to bring it up with me, your attitude is starting to get annoying and this isn't sustainable."

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      And when they tell you you’re a sensitive pussy or try to gaslight and insist they have no idea what you mean?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Give them concrete examples, set expectations, pat them on the shoulder and say thanks for understanding... walk away.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Been there, done that.
          Their jealousy and inferiority complex still rages inside them.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            It doesn’t do anything. It’s either met with further gaslighting and the trying to save face or bullshit excuses and denial all trying to make you out to be an overly sensitive or delusional moron, and/or[...] they just get pissier and pissier.
            I hate how barbaric and grug brained this sounds but I’m starting to really believe in certain circumstances threats of perceived violence are the only way to deal with certain people.

            Get them alone, one on one and look them in the eyes when you speak to them. If you are still getting cucked idk what to tell you... maybe you are just a sensitive pussy.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah I've done shit like that and it just stirs the pot even more.
              It just becomes another humiliation for them if you intimidate them.

              >maybe you are just a sensitive pussy.
              No it is entirely because they are extremely jealous people who never let shit go.
              Constant passive aggressive shit they hold up for years with eternal patience.
              No amount of trying to make friends, or putting them in their place does anything.
              Beware the scorpio moon.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Again, the goal isn't to make friends. It doesn't matter what the person thinks of you, if they have woman brain or are an insufferable gay. If you are forced to be around this person the only thing that matters is making interactions tolerable. Literally spell out to them what kind of behavior is acceptable and firmly reinforce it. People will take the path of least resistance to avoid confrontation, just make it easier for them to interact with you in a formal/clinical/utilitarian manner than otherwise.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Literally spell out to them what kind of behavior is acceptable and firmly reinforce it.
                That would fit into this this category:

                Jealous hater gay:
                >try to make friends
                just makes him seethe more
                >ignore him
                results in a steady stream of passive agressive happenings that roll off pretty easily
                >humiliate him even more
                just makes things worse

                It's a shitty situation but the best is just to ignore him.
                It's a bit like arguing with the vegans on here, how they get wrecked with the arguments every day, but they still come back for more, like they want to be humiliated.

                >try to make friends
                just makes him seethe more

                Or under the category of:
                >humiliate him even more
                just makes things worse

                And the best course of action is:
                >ignore him
                results in a steady stream of passive agressive happenings that roll off pretty easily

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I think we're missing each other a bit here so I'll give an example of what I meant.

                >be me
                >work in competitive sales environment
                >moody guy at work has a bug up his ass about me
                >thinks I get preferential treatment from management (I kinda do because I'm good at my job not a moody gay about everything so im easy to work with)
                >starts acting passive aggressive and shitty around me
                >tell him to knock it off and that I don't like him either but since we both are trying to make a paycheck here and I can respect that, we should only communicate on an as needed basis, be respectful to one another in front of coworkers so we don't ruin their work environment.
                >"Don't fuck with my clients and I won't touch yours, if we start poaching from each other this place will become hell on earth for us both. Good luck next month, I don't like you but I don't want you to struggle paying your bills, focus on work not me... etc."
                >Told him the only way working together can be sustainable is if our interactions are emotionless and transactional, like dealing with the receptionist at the dentist or some shit.
                >Haven't had a non essential conversation with him in over a year, he still talks shit behind my back to other people but I just tell them I don't want to hear about it
                >used to be a major annoyance but now a non-factor
                >one month he even beat me in sales volume and I just gave him a head nod in the meeting and he gave one back, and that was it.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                That sounds a little different. I’m NTA but if what he’s talking about is like what I’ve experienced that shit won’t really work. It worked for you because you’re liked by others. In our case we don’t have co workers telling us people are talking shit behind our backs, we have them beating nothing or even joining in.
                I could fully understand it if I was a moody gay and just generally unlikable, but I focus on my work I keep to myself and I stay out of everyone’s way. Im considerate and helpful where I can be. My entire goal is to focus on myself and worry about myself because I have enough obstacles as is and don’t need social problems. And there’s always a handful of gays shit talking me and convincing others I’m some weird bad guy or some crazy shit. It’s highschool tier BS but it’s difficult to ignore because it inevitably makes doing your job difficult.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Sounds like you need to work on blending in with normies a bit more. People only have what you give them to go off of. Don't give them reasons to think you're weird or creepy. Unironically 1950's era social standards and etiquette are pretty solid guidelines for navigating life without giving people reasons to dislike you.

                >be fit
                >be hygenic and presentable
                >no political discussion
                >no religious discussion
                >if you don't have something nice to say stfu
                >say please and thank you
                >if you don't know something just admit to not knowing it
                >listen more than you speak
                >give genuine compliments
                >have a hobby or interest you are willing to freely discuss so people can box you into an identity in their head
                >smile

                I have based friends who I can rant to and say moron etc. but to normies I'm just "oh that's anon, he's cool, he wrestled at XXX college and fixes old cars"... it's not a larp, just a more reserved and generally appealing way of presenting myself.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                this includes no conversation of a sexual nature as well btw forgot to add that

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                be fit
                >be hygenic and presentable
                >no political discussion
                >no religious discussion
                >if you don't have something nice to say stfu
                >say please and thank you
                >if you don't know something just admit to not knowing it
                >listen more than you speak
                >give genuine compliments
                >have a hobby or interest you are willing to freely discuss so people can box you into an identity in their head
                I do all of this. I don’t smile much though but that’s a ridiculous reason for me to be expecting this crap. It’s been like this my whole life, I remember this shit occurring as young as day care aged. Back then it came from adults, but around 2nd grade age it was peers onwards. You know, if I was doing something clearly wrong then okay. But I’m not.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you aren't lying about your behavior and the fact that this has been a common problem your whole life it legitimately sounds like you have some kind of mild aspergers and have a problem reading people/displaying correct emotion tbqh. Blank facial expression (flat affect) is common for spergs.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I’ve suspected it my entire life dude. I think I was caught somewhere in the middle so as a child other kids could tell I was off but couldn’t really tell if I was like the full blown autistic or retarded kids and therefor felt it was okay to exclude or harass me as just some weirdo, while taking pity on the ones who were clearly neuro divergent.
                My parents had me tested as a kid and supposedly I’m normal but I genuinely believe they chose it would be in my best interest to hide it from me, that if I knew whether I was on the spectrum it would just be an excuse for me to not try in life. I think that’s utter bullshit because here I am as an adult still moderately confused over this shit and just coming to terms it will never change.

                I do believe at this point it would do more harm than good for me to get a diagnosis though, because it would only anger me over the harassment I’ve endured by people growing up. Classmates and teachers and administrative staff alike just taking advantage of the social ineptness to bully me. Not talking out my ass or even about some wrongfully perceived Asperger shit, I was legitimately bullied by teachers as a kid. I’d rather just keep moving forward but also have people just stay the fuck out of my way if they can’t treat me like a human.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Getting a diagnosis is mostly useless unless you just want to get a script for some drugs imo, our current mental health infrastructure is a meme and a racket. My advice is figure out some strategies that help where you're having issues and consciously work on them until it becomes habitual and subconscious.

                I was never bullied but was def a weird sperg in school, I eventually forced myself to be extremely social through work and learned what I was missing. I'm still pretty aspie but you'd never know it unless you talked to my family or read my internet posts. Idk where you're at in life age/career wise but if you have the opportunity to work in a public facing job it could be a good choice since you get paid to practice your social skills, even better if it is sales... because you have reward mechanism built in where your earnings are correlated with your ability to socialize and communicate effectively and there's a shitload of educational material on it. Sales training is literally just a Machiavellian guide on how to not be autistic.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Sales training is literally just a Machiavellian guide on how to not be autistic.
                Sales is a different environment from STEM.
                Most people in sales will have above average social skills, and job performance is literally directly dependent on flexing those social skills.
                Much different in STEM offices where status is much more tied to the work quality and productivity.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I have an engineering degree and left STEM to go into sales. Productivity is rewarded more in commission sales than any other profession, it's almost entirely meritocratic. Produce more results = make more money. Simple as, nobody gives a shit about anything besides you producing results.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I once tried sales with the intent of it making me better socially. I was getting better and doing well in terms of revenue and just making legit progress. They started giving me shit hours like 8 hours a week and I still managed to have numbers equal or higher than people who had 20-40 hours a week.
                The GM was a fuck up who stumbled his way into the job and didn’t realize he hired me as permanent instead of seasonal and he couldn’t just fire me, so he switched my job title from sales to loss prevention. It makes no sense. This dude would jerk people off for making a measly bullshit $300 sale or selling maybe $5k in the whole week but in my 8 hours a week I was averaging $10k. I was getting better and better and getting the growth I wanted and then I was forced into a shit position as an over glorified receipt checker so my only human interaction was pissy minorities who thought I was stereotyping them. Bad shit went down at that job and I left but that’s besides the point.
                >where at life/age/career wise
                I just gave up on the field I was working towards after one day on the job because I realized it’s not for me and I actually have zero desire to put myself in it, abhorrent hours and unlivable wage, really shitty job nature. It was medical. So I’m pretty lost in life, I’ll be 27 this month. Looking to take any job atm that pays decently. Looking for something remote to get some income for now. Thinking about trying to start a few businesses and if I can grow them enough just support myself on that. One will for sure work and bring in profit but would take years before I could live off it alone. I would be happier if I owned my own businesses than working for someone else.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                A freeze response to trauma can be confused with aspergers. Going down a diagnosis route might not be such a bad thing as it seems like you are already angry over the things that have happened.
                I think a therapy would really help you and spending time with a STR worker to work on social skills and improve other areas that need improving.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                OK you are posting some super basic bitch stuff.
                But here's some cold truth:
                Sometimes people won't like you because of things you can't change, like:
                >you are more attractive
                >you have higher career status
                >have higher salary
                >racial envy
                Saying please, thank-you, and a compliment that a guy with poor self-esteem can't accept isn't going to fix the inferiority complex fueling their jealousy towards you.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                The funny part is if you give them the same energy it’s a big problem for them and they’ll often throw temper tantrums about it

                >Call me crazy but I don't insult/humiliate people I care about
                Friends banter all the time.
                But if you do it too hard and they can't recover, it can be a bit dangerous.
                But yeah it is mostly highschool shit-talking that people grow out of.

                > if they are a jealous gay with an inferiority complex, they don't want to be your friend.
                You goal isn't to make the person your friend, it's to set a standard with them to make interactions tolerable.

                >There is a place for joking for friends, but if you do it too hard you can create enemies.
                No shit retard, don't disrespect people.
                >Maybe you haven't been in situations like that enough to know how real it is, to turn a friend to an enemy with a few humiliating words.
                Call me crazy but I don't insult/humiliate people I care about... you know, because I care about them... and I'm not a prick.

                See above, it’s not banter when you can’t do it back. In my experience it’s banter when it’s along the lines of calling each other a fag or a pussy. Like we all know what banter is, there’s a whole vocal tonality that implies it’s friendly and not serious. Then there’s shit like
                >passive aggressive indirect comments that everyone in the room knows could only possibly apply to you
                >telling others negative shit about you behind your back seemingly in an effort to socially drag you while uplifting themselves
                Here’s a random example I’ve experienced
                >D&D night, gay makes passing comment about me being a loser wasting my time in college
                >reply that I’d rather do a few years of school to work towards I field I have interest in instead of working a soul crushing desk job like a slave
                >Guy gets all pissy
                >OH YEAH WELL IM DOING GREAT FOR MYSELF IM CERTAINLY DOING BETTER THAN SOMEONE WHO TAKES CLASSES AND WORKS A DEAD END JOB [my part time job that I planned to leave after school] I EVEN HAVE MY OWN APARTMENT [his mother gave him his childhood apartment and paid 50% of the rent for him] I HAD TO STRUGGLE FOR WHAT IVE ACHIEVED
                Crap like that ain’t banter

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Here’s a random example I’ve experienced
                I've heard a lot of shit like that in my own friend group, and a lot of it is just insecurities on the part of both the dudes involved.
                Was mostly just dumb shit we mostly grew out of.
                You look like losers if you talk like that at age 30.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                That’s why I separated myself from that group. We’re almost 30 I don’t have room for that pathetic shit. Everything’s a pissing contest and that one guy isn’t growing out of it like the rest of us. I had to ghost them all, they were all that dudes highschool friends and so it was pretty easy for him to shit talk me and paint an innacurate picture of who I am to everyone behind my back before they really had a chance to get to know me. I feel bad for the rest of them but he didn’t really act that way towards them

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          It doesn’t do anything. It’s either met with further gaslighting and the trying to save face or bullshit excuses and denial all trying to make you out to be an overly sensitive or delusional moron, and/or

          Been there, done that.
          Their jealousy and inferiority complex still rages inside them.

          they just get pissier and pissier.
          I hate how barbaric and grug brained this sounds but I’m starting to really believe in certain circumstances threats of perceived violence are the only way to deal with certain people.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Well you can fight verbal violence with verbal violence - some of the time.
            But it's hard to defend against a woman's nagging, or a jealous gays shit-talking behind your back.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >In that case you should address it, just call them out on it and ask why they act that way towards you.
      This can work sometimes.
      But some people are vengeful and hold grudges they will never let go.
      Maybe you humiliated them somehow, and in their mind you can never compensate for it until they completely dominate you, which will probably never happen.
      I have some experience with people like this, trying to turn enemies to friends, but there is no overcoming their jealousy or their inferiority complex.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >But some people are vengeful and hold grudges they will never let go.
        >Maybe you humiliated them somehow, and in their mind you can never compensate for it until they completely dominate you, which will probably never happen.
        >I have some experience with people like this, trying to turn enemies to friends, but there is no overcoming their jealousy or their inferiority complex.

        So? Who cares about "what if they think this what if they think that". Grow some nuts and self esteem. The only way you're gonna find out whats up is by engaging with this person directly. It's part of being an adult male, you're in control of your life, who you interact with, and how you interact with people. If someone is dragging you down you need to either fix it or get them to stay the fuck away from you.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >If someone is dragging you down you need to either fix it or get them to stay the fuck away from you.
          (1) There are a lot of situations in life, such as school, work and family, where you are forced to interact with people you don't like.

          (2) So How to Fix It:
          Yeah you can confront them directly, but if they are a jealous gay with an inferiority complex, they don't want to be your friend. There is nothing you can say or do that will make them get over their inferiority complex.

          > Who cares about "what if they think this
          Because a careless insult can get a few quick laughs, but turn an enemy into a friend. Before you know it most of your friend group has grudges against you because you wanted to have a laugh at their expense.
          There is a place for joking for friends, but if you do it too hard you can create enemies.
          Maybe you haven't been in situations like that enough to know how real it is, to turn a friend to an enemy with a few humiliating words.

          >It's part of being an adult male, you're in control of your life, who you interact with, and how you interact with people.
          Enemies don't always want to become friends.
          They're out to win, not to make peace.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            > if they are a jealous gay with an inferiority complex, they don't want to be your friend.
            You goal isn't to make the person your friend, it's to set a standard with them to make interactions tolerable.

            >There is a place for joking for friends, but if you do it too hard you can create enemies.
            No shit retard, don't disrespect people.
            >Maybe you haven't been in situations like that enough to know how real it is, to turn a friend to an enemy with a few humiliating words.
            Call me crazy but I don't insult/humiliate people I care about... you know, because I care about them... and I'm not a prick.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Jealous hater gay:
              >try to make friends
              just makes him seethe more
              >ignore him
              results in a steady stream of passive agressive happenings that roll off pretty easily
              >humiliate him even more
              just makes things worse

              It's a shitty situation but the best is just to ignore him.
              It's a bit like arguing with the vegans on here, how they get wrecked with the arguments every day, but they still come back for more, like they want to be humiliated.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Call me crazy but I don't insult/humiliate people I care about
              Friends banter all the time.
              But if you do it too hard and they can't recover, it can be a bit dangerous.
              But yeah it is mostly highschool shit-talking that people grow out of.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >I have some experience with people like this, trying to turn enemies to friends, but there is no overcoming their jealousy or their inferiority complex.

        OK you are posting some super basic bitch stuff.
        But here's some cold truth:
        Sometimes people won't like you because of things you can't change, like:
        >you are more attractive
        >you have higher career status
        >have higher salary
        >racial envy
        Saying please, thank-you, and a compliment that a guy with poor self-esteem can't accept isn't going to fix the inferiority complex fueling their jealousy towards you.

        >Saying please, thank-you, and a compliment that a guy with poor self-esteem can't accept isn't going to fix the inferiority complex fueling their jealousy towards you.

        >Here’s a random example I’ve experienced
        I've heard a lot of shit like that in my own friend group, and a lot of it is just insecurities on the part of both the dudes involved.
        Was mostly just dumb shit we mostly grew out of.
        You look like losers if you talk like that at age 30.

        >No it is entirely because they are extremely jealous people who never let shit go.

        >If someone is dragging you down you need to either fix it or get them to stay the fuck away from you.
        (1) There are a lot of situations in life, such as school, work and family, where you are forced to interact with people you don't like.

        (2) So How to Fix It:
        Yeah you can confront them directly, but if they are a jealous gay with an inferiority complex, they don't want to be your friend. There is nothing you can say or do that will make them get over their inferiority complex.

        > Who cares about "what if they think this
        Because a careless insult can get a few quick laughs, but turn an enemy into a friend. Before you know it most of your friend group has grudges against you because you wanted to have a laugh at their expense.
        There is a place for joking for friends, but if you do it too hard you can create enemies.
        Maybe you haven't been in situations like that enough to know how real it is, to turn a friend to an enemy with a few humiliating words.

        >It's part of being an adult male, you're in control of your life, who you interact with, and how you interact with people.
        Enemies don't always want to become friends.
        They're out to win, not to make peace.

        >Yeah you can confront them directly, but if they are a jealous gay with an inferiority complex, they don't want to be your friend. There is nothing you can say or do that will make them get over their inferiority complex.

        Been there, done that.
        Their jealousy and inferiority complex still rages inside them.

        >Their jealousy and inferiority complex still rages inside them.

        Is the jealous guy with an inferiority complex here in the room with us now anon?

  67. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Sticks and stones baby boy

  68. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >How does one handle this type of person?
    By spending half a neuron on your "logically superior" brain to think on a comeback that would make him shut the fuck up, you unsocialized authistic prick

  69. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Physical violence > all

    But let me guess you're a zoomer and think beating someone up makes you lose face like a fucking pajeet or bamboo moron.

  70. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    nobody shit talks me because I'm legitimately insane

  71. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Hit them

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >hitting a coworker

  72. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    You need to make yourself look oblivious, as if you cant tell you're being insulted. Then you reply something harmless and boring, like this you're not even acknowledging him as a menace.
    As you get good at this you will be able to make them look like idiots from your facade.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Anyhow, most of the time, if I'm sharing a space with them over a period of time, I just let them get comfortable, play weak and wait until they touch me.
      Another think I havent thought of is stalking them until I find the perfect place to beat them to a pulp(I should buy a bat).

  73. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    if you arent naturalyu quick witted then its ogre as you sound dense af OP

    just call them fat or a gay and walk away

  74. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    When bears fight each other, they sacrifice lethality for threatening displays. They posture up, make themselves bigger and get real loud. When they're hunting and ambushing prey, being loud and big are detrimental.
    Any insult is a test of dominance and should be shut down immediately. You can either A) Not care and brush it off, showing that you don't even consider them a threat or B) call them out on it. Which ever one best displays dominance is best.
    Some people are just better at being witty. It's a mistake to play into other peoples strengths.
    Make it known that you are past playing word games and are ready to jump straight to a physical altercation if they carry on.

  75. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >I am smarter than them
    >I cannot think fast enough to banter with them
    You are stupid, anon

  76. 2 months ago
    Anonymous
  77. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly, all the shit talking, even the innocent banter, stopped once I was bigger than most. Once other people respect you they choose their words more wisely. The only thing I can think of that happened years ago was some dude at a party that said shit like "You like big but I bet you aren't strong" and I flexed a 'cep and said "Dude, I'm a beast!" and we both laughed and that was it.

  78. 2 months ago
    Anonymous
  79. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I internalize that most shit talkers are just jealous. Also I have headphones.

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