how is it possible that skinny-ass fighters easily knock out competitive weight lifters?

how is it possible that skinny-ass fighters easily knock out competitive weight lifters? I understand that they are trained in striking and all that, but all the weight lifting that the lifters do should translate into striking power.

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    it doesnt matter if you dont know how to punch to begin with, are you stupid?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      anyone can throw a punch.

      >I understand that they are trained in striking and all that, but all the weight lifting that the lifters do should translate into striking power.
      >I'm studying spanish, so I should be able to speak better russian than Russians
      Thats how you sound!

      more muscles equals more strength

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        almost nobody gets basic boxing technique right the first time, it takes a lot of practice and correction

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >anyone can throw a punch.
        retard

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        A fight isnt 2 retards punching each other until one falls over. There is how u punch and where, ur feet work, how well u block punches how well can u predict what the opponents next move is in order to dodge, then placement based on that, that counter strikes. Sure a body builder will have power he will do the classic noob mistake of pulling his arm back giving away he is about to strike allowing a real fight to pull back, embrace, and block.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Or more likely, casually move their head 6 inches to the side and throw one back onto an unguarded chin. Game over.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Anyone can climb a cliff face, throw a football, write a story, sing a song, etc., as well, but the people who dedocate a lot of time to it are better at it than those who don't.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >I understand that they are trained in striking and all that, but all the weight lifting that the lifters do should translate into striking power.
    >I'm studying spanish, so I should be able to speak better russian than Russians
    Thats how you sound!

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    how is it possible that tennis players easily btfo competitive arm wrestlers? I understand that they are trained in tennis and all that, but all the armwrestling that the armwrestlers do should translate into serve power.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    if any of these weightlifters getting heemd on worldstar did boxing or mma training for a month they would likely crush anyone lighter

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Weight lifters train to lift weights (slow, bulky, immobile), fighters train to fight (fast, agile, accurate)

      are you stupid? there have been countless strongmen veering into MMA and getting whooped easily buddy

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        yeah, by professional fighters in their weightclass gay

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because raw strength DOES NOT inherently translate to explosive force.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Trained fighters use the entire kinetic chain, from the soles of their feet to the tip of their knuckles. A bodybuilder with no martial training will at best swing from the waist up, leaving them with a weaker strike. Their strikes are uncoordinated and predictable, leaving them wide open to a counter.

      egs pblain
      this sounds like magic

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        He just did, how retarded are you? Are you 12?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        practicing the skill directly is always the best way to get better at it, its just common sense, hitting a heavybag with good form is going to create a stronger punch and technique, doing OHP some other day of the week is just a small multiplier that can supplement it a bit. mass does equal force however, but it has to be applied correctly or its useless.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The force from a boxers strike comes from the whole body, primarily from the legs.

        Someone untrained in combat sports will usually only utilize his upper body, maybe only his artms in a punch. The result is a much weaker punch despite being stronger.

        Even more important are precision and timing. An untrained fighter wont have these.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Because power is strength as applied to work. Slow contraction and expansion involved for weight training doesn't translate into a strong, fast punch if you don't also train at being able to throw a strong ass punch. I'm NOT saying the two are mutually exclusive by any measure just that you can be a damn fine artist but if you never learned to write you're still illiterate.
        Another even more simplistic model, a multi ton hydraulic bottle jack can push thousands of pounds but it will only push you with force slowly, where as an airbag has considerably less strength, but delivered at 200mph it usually knocks most people out flat.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I literally heard his voice while reading that annon. U have brought a tear to my eyes. I miss him so much bros

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >be powershitter
    >jerk same 4 lifts all your life thinking this translates into muh strength
    >get big ego from egolifting
    >think you can take on a fighter
    >realize you have zero speed, explosiveness, stamina, technique, strategy etc
    >get pinned / KO'd in seconds while you can't catch your breath
    >go back to GOMAD and 7k calories a day telling yourself that at least you have real strength unlike those twigs

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Cope

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        dilate, redditspacer

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Trained fighters use the entire kinetic chain, from the soles of their feet to the tip of their knuckles. A bodybuilder with no martial training will at best swing from the waist up, leaving them with a weaker strike. Their strikes are uncoordinated and predictable, leaving them wide open to a counter.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Its clear that most people here have never fought a single round.

    Punching technique is important for maxing, but strength absolutely does translate into punching power. Eddie Hall could probably kill Mike Tyson with a single punch - if he stood still, put his hands down and chin up, and let him. Boxing is 99% skill and 1% about how hard you hit the other guy. Its the icing on the cake.
    The reason untrained people lose so hard is that hitting a pro fighter is hard, not getting hit by a pro fighter is even harder. They will outmanouver a noob and have them down in seconds. Being strong is useless if you don't land a punch, and it really doesn't take much power to knock someone down, just the right shot at the right time and angle

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      so how exactly can a lightweight person take out a fat moron?

      endurance? by just hitting his lightweight punches and dodging the fat person's hits

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It takes a very small force to knock a person out. One of the first things my boxing coach told me was that a child could knock me out.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Exactly, its about putting torque on the chin. I could knock someone out striking with my fingertips at the right angle. This is why boxers guard the chin at all costs when in range. You go down like a sack of shit and get jelly legs for a few minutes because your brain slams into the inside of your skull

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Confidence to get in close, footwork and head movement to slip some punches, and then watch for a nice opening (all noobs will have shitty defence and guard). Right hook - onto chin - fatty goes down. Strength irrelevant unless you are 90 years old or a 7 year old girl.
        Sounds easy. Is very not easy. Takes a lot of practice.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        hard punches don't do jack shit when a jab to the face interrupts it everytime

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Here how, u walk backward. Fatti moved up, u move backward, fatties is now out of breath, u move backward, fattie throws a punch, u dodge it and get behinds and punch fattie in the back of the neck. Fattie is now having an asthma attack

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Well technique is great but you are not likely to win if you are in a different weight class.

      Take Bruce Lee vs Mike Tyson. Bruce can hit him all day if he does not get a clean hit it won t do shit to him. Mike needs one good hit in and Bruce will be on death door.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        But you are talking two trained fighters here, in that case, of course weight matters. And besides, almost nobody could knock prime Mike Tyson out, he was incredible defensively. A better analogy would be Manny Pacquiao vs Larry Wheels, and in this case Larry wheels would get his shit pushed in almost immediately

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    One hook to the head or liver from a trained boxer is enough to knock Dwayne Johnson out. Boxers know how to defend against a punch using footwork from experience. They also train how to lure the opponent for a punch. Bodybuilders don't.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Fighting is like speaking a language. Everybody can make sounds, but that doesn't mean you can automatically speak a language. Just because you have arms and can throw punches it doesn't mean you can fight.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I am legitimately surprised that fit understands fighting to some degree and that this thread isn't just apes shitslinging stupid IST buzz words at each other. Almost makes me proud that fitizens are becoming more aware that muscles aren't everything. Another point to add is that strength doesn't matter TOO much. That only really affects the stiffness of your frame upon delivery and the speed at which you can throw out a strike.

    Ideally a fighter would translate as much of his mass as possible while also doing this as quickly as possible while being completely stiff on the moment of impact and shortly afterward to transmit as much force as possible. Sometimes more speed is needed. Sometimes you gotta strike a little slower and more deliberately to transmit more mass as you plant your stance. A truly fantastic fighter can do both. Muhammad Ali is a great example. He was loose and agile but stiffened his entire body upon impact. This also saves tons of energy.

    Even without perfect form, someone that is 300 lbs of fat can have some seriously devastating strikes if they know how to leverage their mass through their kinetic chain. Roy Nelson and Butterbean are two great examples of this. Sure they were strong, but they were also built like water balloons. Lots of guys could outlift them, but they knew how to toss their mass. They were very fluid and simply had to move their arms at the right time and a decent speed. Literally the inertia of all that fat put so much force behind their punches that they didn't even have to swing that hard to wreck someone

    Force is equal to Mass times Acceleration
    F=M*A

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >being completely stiff on the moment of impact and shortly afterward to transmit as much force as possible.
      hmm never thought of this actually. so you mean when you deliver a punch, you want to be very stiff on impact?
      >F=M*A
      I recall reading that speed mattered more because kinetic energy equals (m*V^2)/2. so having twice the mass doubles it, but having twice the speed makes it 4x higher. not sure how this applies.
      >Literally the inertia of all that fat put so much force behind their punches that they didn't even have to swing that hard to wreck someone
      it's true. there's a reason a jab won't kill anyone. but when you can put your whole body weight in a punch, that could easily KO

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        > but having twice the speed
        Not him but it’s much easier to double your weight than to double the speed of a punch

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >it’s much easier to double your weight than to double the speed of a punch
          t. starting strength connoisseur on GOMAD and 7k calories daily

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >I recall reading that speed mattered more
        Yeah I can see that., what you rather be shot with, a .223 or a 45 acp?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, weight matters a lot more for that reason. Don't ever fight a fat guy if he's all red and moving around quickly/crying/visibly upset. He will have enough energy to do a few quick punches and that's all he would need. You're unironically safer to go to the ground with a fatty and let him ground and pound you if your defense is good enough. They will all be winging arm punches with none of his main mass behind them. He will tire extremely quickly then you can fight for position and work him.
        Stiff on impact is ideal. The inertia from all that blubber forms a pretty solid connective chain without trying at all. Ironically enough, fatties that are like Butterbean will almost always get more solid punches than any other body type. Leaner people like Bruce Lee need to make a concerted effort to be stiff on impact or they will apply this weird 'snapping' type of force or just deflect completely. I know in the universal laws force is force, but if you hit a bag trying different speeds and techniques you'll know what I'm talking about. Look up a Tae Kwon do snap kick vs a may thai round kick and witness the beauty and raw savagery of follow through vs snapping force.

        You actually can put your entire body weight into a jab and kill someone with it. Be big. Turn your body sideways so you are completely perpendicular to your opponent Take a lunging step forward so that your entire body moves perpendicular to your opponent like a fencer. Hit them directly on the chin so they pass out. If their head smacks the ground on a hard surface they very well could die.

        Nobody really uses this classical stance anymore since the proliferation of MMA, but it used to be fairly common to box like that. Now people will just kick your leg or go for a takedown.

        Well technique is great but you are not likely to win if you are in a different weight class.

        Take Bruce Lee vs Mike Tyson. Bruce can hit him all day if he does not get a clean hit it won t do shit to him. Mike needs one good hit in and Bruce will be on death door.

        Truth. Bruce would have to land a perfect spinning heel kick to the liver or chin to win, which is hard. Mike just has to bull rush and throw punches until it's over. A lot easier to do.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      this shit is like dragon ball

      >changing from ssb to deliver punches to ssg to conserve energy

      goddamn

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >athlete a trains for activity x
    >athlete b trains for activity y
    >athlete a is better at activity x
    what a fucking surprise

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Almost related to OP, but what martial art correlates better with lifting? I assume lifting is more applicable to grecoroman wrestling since it's mostly about flexing, grip strentgh and pulling. Asking because I want to get into grecoroman and I don't think it'll hinder my gains the same way a striking martial art would

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Grappling obviously has a much better carryover for strength than striking, but still much less then you would think. The golden rule is that strength only applies if the technical skill is about equal (because, you know, weight classes are a thing). The movements are mostly very fast and dynamic, so prepare to still get absolutely pummeled by complete dyels in the first half year

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        So what martial art would you say has the best carryover?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Grappling is still the best in general. I think BJJ has a little bit more than wrestling because the movements are even slower, but in all honesty, just accept that you’ll get beaten in the beginning no matter what, do it out of fun and love for the sport and eventually you’ll have an advantage

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            That's fine. I'm latching onto the dudes question because hey martial arts are fun, I just don't want something that would interfere too greatly with weightlifting, which is also fun.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    There's no muscle on your chin

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because they spend all their time training to fight, not training to slowly lift heavy things up and down.
    Whats with people who think going to the gym makes them tough?
    I don't go horse riding and assume it teaches me piano.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    you have a childs understanding of the world. Do you think DBZ is real too?

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