It’s actually not like that at all, lol.. if you have big shoulders, he wants to know how often you do lateral raises and with how much weight. It’s really not hard to understand.
On a separate note, if you’re actually this moronic you shouldn’t be allowed to use the internet or communicate with anyone ever.
180lbs upright rows for reps.
Not natty tho.
You want big shoulders ditch the gay ass dumbells.
And ignore these dyel drill sergeant form police here. Its ok to cheat a little at the top.
You're such an idiot. Can you bench press 200lb dumbbells? The answer is no. You can max your limit with dumbbells. Like holy shit. Can you do laterals with 100lb dumbbells? The answer is no again LOL. As long as you're not using weights that are too light, they work.
12 months ago
Anonymous
If you think you'll get a big chest with just dumbbell flys then you're obviously just another moronic dyel.
There's little cartoon drawings of what exercises work what muscles and then there's reality.
12 months ago
Anonymous
>dumbbell flys then you're obviously just another moronic dyel.
Learn to read, Black person. Can you BENCH 200lb dumbbells? Yes or no?
Answer is NO, you skinny b***h. https://youtu.be/gSMaI63H9hc
^watch that for a btfo, dyel.
12 months ago
Anonymous
I never said anything about dumb bell bench press so what are you carrying on about?
Can you do 200lbs? Obviously not that's why show one of the strongest people in the world doing it not you.
Yes. Unless you're going for a world class physique complete with 30+ffmi, a good dumbell fly (bent arms looks like a half rep press to noobs) is enough for your chest. I agree with you on the need for variants in many cases but you chose the one where I don't.
also you sound like a woman. "I dont want to get too big tee hee hee"
12 months ago
Anonymous
>I never said anything about dumb bell bench press so what are you carrying on about?
And I never mentioned flyovers, you stupid fricking moron, but it's the same fricking idea anyways, you mother fricking moron.
12 months ago
Anonymous
dumb bell bench press is nothing like dumb bell flys in reality
12 months ago
Anonymous
>Can you do 200lbs? Obviously not that's why show one of the strongest people in the world doing it not you.
YOU'RE MISSING MY POINT, moron. Holy shit. Skinny AND low IQ. My point is you can properly max with dumbbells. Imagine being this dense
12 months ago
Anonymous
fricking manlet brain. I never said anything at any point about dumbbell presses. I was comparing lat raises to flys which are similar.
For some reason you stared sperging about dumbbell presses and calling me weak because a world class body builder is doing them.
12 months ago
Anonymous
>I never said anything at any point about dumbbell presses.
AND I NEVER MENTIONED FLYOVERS, YOU STUPID FRICKING moron
YOU responded to ME about flyovers. I never mentioned that, but flyovers are still a fine thing to add anyways. Incline/decline/flat/flyovers/Cable cross
Also lateral raises work perfectly fine for delt isolation, fricking dyel tard.
Yes. Unless you're going for a world class physique complete with 30+ffmi, a good dumbell fly (bent arms looks like a half rep press to noobs) is enough for your chest. I agree with you on the need for variants in many cases but you chose the one where I don't.
12 months ago
Anonymous
oh I see. You are a manlet.
And moronic. Life must be hard for you.
No 6+ foot guy is getting a big chest from flys.
I didnt realize this was a manlet thread. Ignore all my previous posts and have fun with your pink dumbbells lol
12 months ago
Anonymous
Cope. Use your bigger bones and longer muscle attachments to pick up heavier dumbells and then put more food in your bigger digestive system.
12 months ago
Anonymous
Post body. I can tell you're skinny LMAO
It's a staple for olympia champion body builders, moron. Obviously you add VARIANTS too. Not just stick to ONE thing
12 months ago
Anonymous
>roidtroonys dont even have to lift or can just do shitty half assed workouts to get big >do these exercises roidtroonys do if you want to get big
the mental state of IST
12 months ago
Anonymous
>half assed >200lb dumbbell bench presses
LMFAOOOO
The absolute state of /fat LOL
12 months ago
Anonymous
yeah I see I'm dealing with anime watching pedos who just want a "gotcha" moment on the internet instead of any serious discussion
12 months ago
Anonymous
Why are you projecting your mental illness unto me? You're sick in the head for even mentioning that, fricking degenerate >serious discussion
Says the moron that says lateral raises are bad simply because you don't do them LMFAO. You don't know how to train. Post delts
12 months ago
Anonymous
Btw, fricking moron, delts require less weight to work than chest. It's not the same to compare chest to fricking delts, moron
Roid trannies are a mistake. I bet you still look natty despite doing roids LOL
12 months ago
Anonymous
>steriods are magic beauty pills that make you swole without even having to lift >I bet you look dyel
the mental state of natty
post body. You brag so much, it better actually be olympia level shit and not some twink shit
>it better actually be olympia level shit
nattys think 180lbs upright rows are "olympia level shit".
And it doesnt matter if I post body because even if I look like Arnold with 3% body fat you losers will just say "roiding for this" then have some circle jerk cackling like monkeys because my traps aren't proportional to my earlobes or some autistic shit
12 months ago
Anonymous
are magic beauty pills that make you swole without even having to lift
but that's they literally what they do
12 months ago
Anonymous
then how come every single time someone posts body all the nattys do is say "roiding for this" and laugh at him?
So either you're lying now or just here to demoralize people
12 months ago
Anonymous
>all the nattys do is say "roiding for this" and laugh at him?
because roiding just to look natty still is genuinely sad
Roiding is to pass the natty limit. Anything less than that is pathetic
12 months ago
Anonymous
Getting the natty limit can take 5 years or more though, while on gear you can probably get there in 1 by blasting and cruising
12 months ago
Anonymous
so now you're just making up shit and saying everyone who posts body is still under the natty limit.
People have posted amazing physiques here time and again and all you sad little apes do is laugh and mock them because their chest insertions aren't up to your elite genetic standards.
Some guy posted a vid a few weeks backs doing like 300lbs weighted pullups and all you useless homosexuals did was call him dyel, say the none of the reps counted because his thumb was in the wrong position etc.
And you wonder why no one posts body? Because you ruined your own meme is why
12 months ago
Anonymous
con't
You're all just pathetic little weaklings playing around with your pink 10lbs dumbells and when big guys try to give you actual helpful advice all you do is say "post body" and "roidtroony"
What a sad bunch of losers kek
12 months ago
Anonymous
>weaklings
If your physique is so amazing, why are you being such a pussy about it, roidtroony? LOL
12 months ago
Anonymous
you moronic monkeys already said I should have an "olympia tier physique" because I can upright row 180lbs.
So obviously anything less than an "olympia tier physique" will just get mocked and laughed at.
12 months ago
Anonymous
You boasted and chickened out. I can tell you look like shit
12 months ago
Anonymous
>who posts body is still under the natty limit.
What a fricking pussy. You brag and shit talk natties, but now you chicken out because you realize your physique is lame even with roids. Typical
12 months ago
Anonymous
>roid troony malding
what's new?
12 months ago
Anonymous
Holy shit, post body you pussy. Imagine being afraid to post your body when YOUR ON ROIDS LOL
Have you even done any progress at all or you look dyel still? And no your workouts aren't impressive which makes it even sadder because you roid for it
12 months ago
Anonymous
>on roids >afraid to post body
lmfao, roiding for this
>having balloon shoulders from gear is so embarrassing
oh and the girl I met yesterday from the bawdfinder app was rubbing my shoulders in the car telling me how big they were
>(and practically every dumbbell isolation)
The frick. No. Shoulders are a bit iffy for most people because they are prone to injury, but everywhere else you want to max what you can in about 10-12 reps and do 5 sets of them for hypertrophy
>10-12 reps and do 5 sets of them for hypertrophy
I can get on board with the 10-12 rep mentality, but why do 5 sets? If you're not burned out by the 3rd or 4th set, why even bother lifting?
5 sets on anything is goated >warmup set >pump starts >working set >working set (probably grinding out the last rep or 2) >set to failure
all the same weight so the intensity varies because of muscle fatigue not effort or weight used. It pretty much forces you to hit failure at least twice.
Try doing 3x10, waiting 5 minutes and suddenly you can do a whole new set if you grind hard enough. People really underestimate how many reps they can ACTUALLY do with a certain weight.
12 months ago
Anonymous
I can agree that 5 sets is good for compounds but if you're gonna do isolations, why would you do a warmup set? why not aim for 10-12 reps for 4 good sets and see if you reach failure at that number?
You don't know what hypertrophy training looks like.
For power you want to max out at 1-6. For hypertrophy you want to max out at 10-12. For endurance you go over that. Typically around 20+. If you're able to do too many reps in a single set, that means the weight you're using is too little for hypertrophy.
I can't tell if this is true or not because that's the consensus online but a guy I know who has the biggest shoulders and is 10% said he lateral raises 60 lbs
All hypertrophy training is the same. 7-12 reps and having your max rep reached within that range i.e. you have to push to make it into the rep range and shouldn't be able to go much farther if at all
lateral raises isnt some power movement, if you arent feeling a disgusting pump
after 7-9 reps at the weight range of 10-20kg then youre doing something wrong
dont listen to powershitters, youll only never get big delts if you treat all 3 shoulder heads together
like its "3 different bicep muscles" in need of complementing eachother to manifest the boulder visuals
kind of like the biceps is in need of brachialis to look real juicy
10kg is the most I've seen someone do a full workout with without egolifting or roidtroon delts. Pretty crazy because an untrained man you probably starts with 5s. Took me a year to go from 4s to 8s (3x10 and eventually 5x12)
yeah that is completely normal. You could try doing short pauses at the top if the jump to the next KG is too much. Really try to get a mind muscle connection on them so you arent just swinging your arm but are actually contracting your delt to get your arm up.
prob low t, I started working out at 25 after doing nothing all my life. I am doing clean reps though, you really see some fricked up form on dbl raises these days
Same...Im a bit confused if people are trolling in this thread or not...
Maybe I do them wrong or something. I don't look like the OP's picture. I lean forward a bit and I rotate the dumbells more up, not down like in the pic.
i've been lifting for 5 months and i'm still a "novice" according to symmetric strength but i can do 8kg lat raises for 8 reps
i think stronger people could do 12kg for reps
The replies to this post is why the majority of gymbros have shit shoulders. You can't cheat your way to strong median delts, you have to take the ego hit and pick up the light weights.
Honestly, the key for me is to go heavy, cheat reps, frick the form police, than drop sets, cleaner form
Get your volume in
Intensity and volume
Every 3-4 days repeat
Delt will blow up, wide shoulders incoming
based.
i do the same.
4 sets of 10 with the heaviest i can reasonably do (14kg at the moment), i don't do clean reps because idgaf, i use a bit of back momentum.
my last set is always an absolutely BRVTAL drop set, i do AMRAPs with lower and lower weights until i reach 2kg baby weights and can no longer move my arms, not even joking.
by the end my delts are on FIRE and they definitely grow.
my strategy is similar for most isolations. drop sets are absolutely based and keyed
10kg is the most I've seen someone do a full workout with without egolifting or roidtroon delts. Pretty crazy because an untrained man you probably starts with 5s. Took me a year to go from 4s to 8s (3x10 and eventually 5x12)
Natties shouldn't be doing lateral raises with dumbbells. The important part of the movement is right at the top of the movement which is always where people fail.
You're better off doing laterals with a cable whilst leaning away. This keeps the tension constant on the delt enabling you to hit it every time.
>The important part of the movement is right at the top of the movement which is always where people fail. >the most important part is where the muscle is also the shortest
unless you've inferred something else, slowing the eccentric, and taking advantage of stretch under load (at long muscle lengths) is more beneficial
source: just trust me bro
I do my lat raises after shoulder press. So its pre-exhausted but then I do 12kg x 8 for my top set. I then go for 10kg and more reps and a dropset lastly.
There's a guy at my gym that does perfect form lat raises with 8 kilo dumbbells and slow, concentrated wrist curls with about 10kilos and he's got MASSIVE arms, including shoulders. I have also never seen him curl more than 22-23 kilos with an EZ curl bar.
Pretty sure he's taking at least *some* PEDs. No fricking way did he get frickhuge front and rear delts by raising 8 kilo weights a few times a week. I refuse to believe it.
It do be true though, I personally do seated lateral raises, 4 sets to failure, usually like 20x7.5kg followed by some more 5kg reps and I have respectable shoulders. This muscle LOVES burn volume.
are you a slightly balding persian guy that works security?
also, redpill me on wrist curls with low weight, please. Why not just do deadhangs or reverse or hammer curls?
>I'm not really sure about deadhangs
the grip strength muscles that you use for a deadhang are the same muscles you isolate when doing wrist/reverse/hammer curls, which leads me to believe they are a great addition to forearm building exercises
I have Huge shoulders and do 30lbs for max 20 reps.
I also ohp 200 lbs after 1.5 years of training, sadly i haven't progressed much as i began focusing on chest at it was shit. Next bulk will be shoulders.
it's hilarious, because i spam chest. even in this picture. Another picture will make it more nuanced, but it's like my body just maxed out on shoulders in the skill tree. real weird.
When i have finished my cut i think it will be more as i have gained a lot of strength in my chest on full rom dumbell press, but i am a bit fat atm
Bros, how the frick am I supposed to do 15 to 20 reps of this shit? My shoulders are burning at the 9th or 10th rep and I always have to cheat my way to 12.
>you say so but I haven't really noticed any shoulder growth, hence the question above
couple things.
1. Probably not bulking aka you aren't exceeding maintenance calories and aren't consuming enough protein
2. Growth isn't overnight. If you do 5 sets of that exercise, you will see progress of you are maxing out properly
3. If you aren't resting properly (48 hes before hitting the muscle again), you won't grow well because growth occurs during rest
>bulking
I'm quite fat already so I just make sure to maintain TDEE with a slightly higher protein intake >5 sets
again with the 5 sets. why not just 4? >proper rest
shoulder days are usually 2 to 3 days apart, rest depends on how well I sleep which tbqh is not that great
Your cardio is just bad. When your cardio is good your body is much more efficient at flushing lactate and you don’t get the burn as much. My shoulders used to scream with pump for like sets of 10-12 on lateral raises then I got into cardio and after a couple thousand kilometers on my skierg I have to do like sets of 70 with 15 pound dumbbells to feel a burn at all lol.
Only been lifting for a year and severely ignored shoulders because I was scared to get hurt(surprise just needed to lower weight and up the reps till delts developed)
I can do 20lb straight arm lateral raises for like 15 reps or so.
None because I don't do lame homosexual shit like that
Then your shoulders probably look moronic, lol
You don't need to go heavy for lat raises, prefer volume. I hit them twice a week and typically do dropsets. Do cable instead of dbs if possible.
It's literally the same for all hypertrophy. You want to max out at 10-12, but you shouldn't ego max this ever because shoulder injuries are a hyper b***h
>You want to max out at 10-12
you can literally do 5-30 reps so long as it's like 5RIR or less and it'll provide relatively the same hypertrophic stimulus
the only magic zone for reps is the one that give you good stimulus, doesn't frick up your joints, give you pain, or completely tire out another muscle before your target muscle
12 months ago
Anonymous
>you can literally do 5-30 reps so long as it's like 5RIR or less and it'll provide relatively the same hypertrophic stimulus
Uh no. If you can still push yourself well beyond 12, you're using weights that are too light and 1-6 is the amount for power, not hypertrophy. By your logic the maximum hypertrophy range should be 17, not 30. ->
https://i.imgur.com/f7VPTDz.jpg
literally just follow the pic ^. Don't overcomplicate simple shit. Just stick to the science
12 months ago
Anonymous
it's nice that you read your first Men's Health article from 2015 on "5-8 reps for strength, 8-12 reps for hypertrophy, 15-30 reps for endurance" but you're wrong, sorry c**t
5-30
0-5RIR
have fun
12 months ago
Anonymous
Bro science are for fricking morons
Your logic is also moronic because minimum hypertrophy range is 7 so by your logic, 2 Reps is = hypertrophy, when it's actually power range reps lol. Absolutely stupid as frick. That and you think high reps == endurance. You don't know what the hell you're doing, flat earther
12 months ago
Anonymous
none of this is broscience
sets of 5-30 taken relatively close to failure provide essentially the same hypertrophic stimulus
I think I've fricked up on the RIR and it's actually 0-4RIR, rather than 0-5RIR, but the sentiment still stands
I don't know where you're pulling 2 reps and 17 reps from
if you're still going to be a sperg about it, here are some actual sources: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28834797/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7927075/
>jokes on you I'm pretending to be moronic
12 months ago
Anonymous
1. LMAO my source is literally NCBI. You also claimed it was from 2015 when it was from 2020. It's also ironic since your first link is from 2017 LOOOL
2. Your initial logic is you can be off by 5 reps (have 5 reps left in the tank) meaning since the range is 7-12 for hypertrophy, you're saying you can do 2 if you had 5 left in the tank. I messed up with the 17 one though, but regardless you are confusing "any rep" as being hypertrophy. You're very confused because you're mixing power workouts with hypertrophy and with endurance. Yes, reps matter for determining which of the 3 you're training.
12 months ago
Anonymous
you're moronic and illiterate, good luck on your journeys
12 months ago
Anonymous
You got fricked and are in denial. Have fun with your disorganized bullshit routine
At my peak physique I was lat raising 20lb for reps and could OHP 185. I had shoulder surgery unrelated to lifting and look like shit now, but have worked my way back and am doing 22.5 for 5 sets of 8. I can OHP 150.
Hmm, I just learned there is a form police for lateral raises. Maybe that's why everyone is still doing pussy weight. 6-10 reps with as much weight as you can handle.
I do 25s and I do it FULL ROM, I go above my head straight up in the air. I think this is tarting to mess up my shoulder. These types of talk are welcome in my new and somewhat empty because its new fitness discord. discord.gg/a9zucXzc4n
I've done 45lbs kettlebells, but usually like 30 is good enough. I just did a quick set @30 to see if I was still good, tendonitis is fricking a lot of my lifts up right now.
?t=291
stand up properly with proper posture and a hand on the hip for balance,
the whole posture being part of the squeese and no swinging with shouldeers
you might want to rely on leaning over with the use of dumbell if you have
like some severe joint problems or something but then it might just be best
to resort to using those typical cables people bring to competitions and use
for rehab purposes
In a set to failure is it better to go all the way down, take a second to compose yourself, and then go up; or to never take the rom to a resting position?
I can get a lot more weight and reps, strictly and with a controlled eccentric too, if I go all the way down and pause. But I don't feel shit.
On the other hand I can lower the weight, shorten the set, and keep the tension for the whole duration and I feel the burn. But I wonder if it does anything on account of how much less weight I moved for less reps.
Why would I do this shit? When am I ever going to use that movement? You think women can't tell you bloatybuild? They laugh at you if you aren't functionally fit just in the dame way you'd laugh at a clown with bad fake breasts and an overinjected BBL.
>They laugh at you if you aren't functionally fit just in the dame way you'd laugh at a clown with bad fake breasts and an overinjected BBL.
LMAO homy fricking shit the cope. Delts five a broader shoulder look, moron. You're coping if you don't think they find that attractive. I can tell you look like shit
lol, I bet all the dumb homosexuals itt saying 25+ lbs are doing the gay dyel variant where you bend your elbows and rotate to do the lift
that's not lateral raise you moronic bozos
LMFAOOOOOO
you stupid b***h. I KNEW you were going to pussy out LOL. Twink spotted. Also I posted upper because we're focusing on DELTOIDS, not a full body rate, fool
Your turn
12 months ago
Anonymous
>literally too afraid >no timestamp
moronic insecure dyel homosexual joke of a "man"
prob like 5'8" also, you scream feminity
learn proper form next time instead of going apeshit and talking shit
12 months ago
Anonymous
>rees about "dyel" >I post my delts while the twink shit talks pretending they have better delts
Lol. Just post a pic, pussy. That's the problem with people that ask for body pics. When one person puts up, the other hides like a b***h LOL
12 months ago
Anonymous
>no timestamp >"eNtErTaIn mE"
no moron lol
cry
12 months ago
Anonymous
>t-time staaaamp whaaaaa
Post delts now, beta male
12 months ago
Anonymous
>i swear on me mum it's me I'm totally not trolling and doing 50 lbs for lateral haha
have a nice day
post timestamp
12 months ago
Anonymous
I didn't say 50 🙂
I said 30-35lb
post a fricking pic already, twink. I'm not posting another when you haven't even posted 1
12 months ago
Anonymous
yeah yeah, I'm sure you are dyel homosexual
by bending your elbows 45 degrees and lifting inwards like a dumb homosexual, thinking it's lateral raise
I see dumb insecure manlets like you everyday, hence why I know I struck a nerve here >still no timestamp
funniest shit ever is, even if it really is you, those are shit delts
especially since you wont show the rest of your physique to show how fricking small you are lol
12 months ago
Anonymous
I didn't read. Post a fricking pic, you absolute pussy. Holy shit, you are making yourself look pathetic by running away from me. Put up or shut up, dyel
12 months ago
Anonymous
>no timestamp
I accept your concession, dumb manley dyel
thanks for playing
12 months ago
Anonymous
>still hasn't posted pic
You're an actual pussy
12 months ago
Anonymous
>still absolutely seething that he was called out for his bs >can prove it's him in 5 secs but doesnt want to
manlets gonna manlet
12 months ago
Anonymous
Post
A
Fricking
Picture
Of
Your
Delts
Holy fricking shit. You sure are good at crying like a homosexual but not actually putting your money where your mouth is. All bark and no bite.
I have always injured my shoulders doing lateral raises even at low weights. Can anyone give me some advice on what I might be doing wrong?
I always eventually start feeling a warm burn or sharp pain. This can last for weeks unless I stop training shoulders to give it time to heal.
You do not need more rest if you're just accumulating a bit more volume. That's like saying I am not resting properly if I do a set of pushups every day.
rule of thumb is 48 hrs to give the muscle a chance to recover. Even arnold only did chest 3 times a week. Rest is just as important as training and diet
I do this _one_ exercise that frequently, not an entire shoulder workout. It supplements my shoulder workouts on days where I otherwise do not hit them hard or at all. It just adds volume throughout the week because in my opinion that's what they respond best to.
Anyone else get an irritated elbow (I think it's the forearm flexor where it attaches) from lateral raises? One day it got inflamed and since then I cannot bend the elbow anymore without pain and I only started getting that when I added lateral raises to my routine again. My left bicep is literally atrophying visibly because I can not contract it properly anymore as to avoid the pain in the elbow. It's been going on for like 2 months already. I've tried deep tissue massage, ibuprofen and diclofenac and iced it. Sometimes it gets better and I can train but I never get a peak contraction out of my left bicep anymore. Interestingly, chinups still feel okay. To give you a better idea which movement exactly causes the pain, it is the most intense when the elbow is bent and I am pulling up. I literally can't even do the movement of an upright row without any weight, and 2nd worst when I hold weight with an extended arm like the lateral raises or front raises.
I do kettle bell lateral raises one side at a time and brace myself with the other arm. My shoulders have visible striations. I do 14kg and superset with 10kg plate Lu raises. The rotational movement really hits the shoulder, and as you touch the plates together at the bottom and top of the motion you really feel the tension and burn.
what the frick kind of dipshit question is this?
what are you talking about?
i wanna know how much weight people with big shoulders can lateral raise for reps
do you also want to know how long a piece of string is?
do you even understand what you're asking?
well? how long is a piece of string?
Double half of it's length
You're just moronic
Kys tough guy
I do kill myself here and there. It’s more of a right time right place and some wit kind of thing though.
It’s actually not like that at all, lol.. if you have big shoulders, he wants to know how often you do lateral raises and with how much weight. It’s really not hard to understand.
On a separate note, if you’re actually this moronic you shouldn’t be allowed to use the internet or communicate with anyone ever.
I can do 30-40lb, but eventually I want to do 100lb in like 1-2 years
180lbs upright rows for reps.
Not natty tho.
You want big shoulders ditch the gay ass dumbells.
And ignore these dyel drill sergeant form police here. Its ok to cheat a little at the top.
>You want big shoulders ditch the gay ass dumbells.
What a stupid take. Dumbbells work fine. Literally just adjust the weight like the frick?
Do you really think you'll get a huge chest from doing only dumbbell flys?
Same goes for your shoulders.
You're such an idiot. Can you bench press 200lb dumbbells? The answer is no. You can max your limit with dumbbells. Like holy shit. Can you do laterals with 100lb dumbbells? The answer is no again LOL. As long as you're not using weights that are too light, they work.
If you think you'll get a big chest with just dumbbell flys then you're obviously just another moronic dyel.
There's little cartoon drawings of what exercises work what muscles and then there's reality.
>dumbbell flys then you're obviously just another moronic dyel.
Learn to read, Black person. Can you BENCH 200lb dumbbells? Yes or no?
Answer is NO, you skinny b***h. https://youtu.be/gSMaI63H9hc
^watch that for a btfo, dyel.
I never said anything about dumb bell bench press so what are you carrying on about?
Can you do 200lbs? Obviously not that's why show one of the strongest people in the world doing it not you.
also you sound like a woman. "I dont want to get too big tee hee hee"
>I never said anything about dumb bell bench press so what are you carrying on about?
And I never mentioned flyovers, you stupid fricking moron, but it's the same fricking idea anyways, you mother fricking moron.
dumb bell bench press is nothing like dumb bell flys in reality
>Can you do 200lbs? Obviously not that's why show one of the strongest people in the world doing it not you.
YOU'RE MISSING MY POINT, moron. Holy shit. Skinny AND low IQ. My point is you can properly max with dumbbells. Imagine being this dense
fricking manlet brain. I never said anything at any point about dumbbell presses. I was comparing lat raises to flys which are similar.
For some reason you stared sperging about dumbbell presses and calling me weak because a world class body builder is doing them.
>I never said anything at any point about dumbbell presses.
AND I NEVER MENTIONED FLYOVERS, YOU STUPID FRICKING moron
YOU responded to ME about flyovers. I never mentioned that, but flyovers are still a fine thing to add anyways. Incline/decline/flat/flyovers/Cable cross
Also lateral raises work perfectly fine for delt isolation, fricking dyel tard.
Yes. Unless you're going for a world class physique complete with 30+ffmi, a good dumbell fly (bent arms looks like a half rep press to noobs) is enough for your chest. I agree with you on the need for variants in many cases but you chose the one where I don't.
oh I see. You are a manlet.
And moronic. Life must be hard for you.
No 6+ foot guy is getting a big chest from flys.
I didnt realize this was a manlet thread. Ignore all my previous posts and have fun with your pink dumbbells lol
Cope. Use your bigger bones and longer muscle attachments to pick up heavier dumbells and then put more food in your bigger digestive system.
Post body. I can tell you're skinny LMAO
It's a staple for olympia champion body builders, moron. Obviously you add VARIANTS too. Not just stick to ONE thing
>roidtroonys dont even have to lift or can just do shitty half assed workouts to get big
>do these exercises roidtroonys do if you want to get big
the mental state of IST
>half assed
>200lb dumbbell bench presses
LMFAOOOO
The absolute state of /fat LOL
yeah I see I'm dealing with anime watching pedos who just want a "gotcha" moment on the internet instead of any serious discussion
Why are you projecting your mental illness unto me? You're sick in the head for even mentioning that, fricking degenerate
>serious discussion
Says the moron that says lateral raises are bad simply because you don't do them LMFAO. You don't know how to train. Post delts
Btw, fricking moron, delts require less weight to work than chest. It's not the same to compare chest to fricking delts, moron
>roidtroon grows his delts with a trap exercise
>brags about how big his shoulders are
having balloon shoulders from gear is so embarrassing
>trap exercise
nattys are a mistake.
Roid trannies are a mistake. I bet you still look natty despite doing roids LOL
>steriods are magic beauty pills that make you swole without even having to lift
>I bet you look dyel
the mental state of natty
>it better actually be olympia level shit
nattys think 180lbs upright rows are "olympia level shit".
And it doesnt matter if I post body because even if I look like Arnold with 3% body fat you losers will just say "roiding for this" then have some circle jerk cackling like monkeys because my traps aren't proportional to my earlobes or some autistic shit
are magic beauty pills that make you swole without even having to lift
but that's they literally what they do
then how come every single time someone posts body all the nattys do is say "roiding for this" and laugh at him?
So either you're lying now or just here to demoralize people
>all the nattys do is say "roiding for this" and laugh at him?
because roiding just to look natty still is genuinely sad
Roiding is to pass the natty limit. Anything less than that is pathetic
Getting the natty limit can take 5 years or more though, while on gear you can probably get there in 1 by blasting and cruising
so now you're just making up shit and saying everyone who posts body is still under the natty limit.
People have posted amazing physiques here time and again and all you sad little apes do is laugh and mock them because their chest insertions aren't up to your elite genetic standards.
Some guy posted a vid a few weeks backs doing like 300lbs weighted pullups and all you useless homosexuals did was call him dyel, say the none of the reps counted because his thumb was in the wrong position etc.
And you wonder why no one posts body? Because you ruined your own meme is why
con't
You're all just pathetic little weaklings playing around with your pink 10lbs dumbells and when big guys try to give you actual helpful advice all you do is say "post body" and "roidtroony"
What a sad bunch of losers kek
>weaklings
If your physique is so amazing, why are you being such a pussy about it, roidtroony? LOL
you moronic monkeys already said I should have an "olympia tier physique" because I can upright row 180lbs.
So obviously anything less than an "olympia tier physique" will just get mocked and laughed at.
You boasted and chickened out. I can tell you look like shit
>who posts body is still under the natty limit.
What a fricking pussy. You brag and shit talk natties, but now you chicken out because you realize your physique is lame even with roids. Typical
>roid troony malding
what's new?
Holy shit, post body you pussy. Imagine being afraid to post your body when YOUR ON ROIDS LOL
Have you even done any progress at all or you look dyel still? And no your workouts aren't impressive which makes it even sadder because you roid for it
>on roids
>afraid to post body
lmfao, roiding for this
>having balloon shoulders from gear is so embarrassing
oh and the girl I met yesterday from the bawdfinder app was rubbing my shoulders in the car telling me how big they were
post body. You brag so much, it better actually be olympia level shit and not some twink shit
>ditch the dumbells
for what equip./exercise???
sounds dumb bc i know for sure you can achieve great shoulder shape natty with dumbells
As I said in the post you're reply to, upright rows.
I prefer an ez curl bar.
They are not without their problems however compared to lat raises
>Pros: huge medial delts
>Cons: Hard on the elbows and the heavier weights you'll be using can put you at risk for back injuries.
20lbs
i only need to lat raise 20lbs to have shoulders like that?
You should prioritize high reps over high weight with lateral raises (and practically every dumbbell isolation)
good to know, i usually superset light lat raises after my tricep pushdowns and overhead triceps so i end up doing 6x8-12
>(and practically every dumbbell isolation)
The frick. No. Shoulders are a bit iffy for most people because they are prone to injury, but everywhere else you want to max what you can in about 10-12 reps and do 5 sets of them for hypertrophy
>10-12 reps and do 5 sets of them for hypertrophy
I can get on board with the 10-12 rep mentality, but why do 5 sets? If you're not burned out by the 3rd or 4th set, why even bother lifting?
5 sets on anything is goated
>warmup set
>pump starts
>working set
>working set (probably grinding out the last rep or 2)
>set to failure
all the same weight so the intensity varies because of muscle fatigue not effort or weight used. It pretty much forces you to hit failure at least twice.
Try doing 3x10, waiting 5 minutes and suddenly you can do a whole new set if you grind hard enough. People really underestimate how many reps they can ACTUALLY do with a certain weight.
I can agree that 5 sets is good for compounds but if you're gonna do isolations, why would you do a warmup set? why not aim for 10-12 reps for 4 good sets and see if you reach failure at that number?
>no, you shouldn't prioritize high reps over high weight
>instead you should do 50-60 reps
You don't know what hypertrophy training looks like.
For power you want to max out at 1-6. For hypertrophy you want to max out at 10-12. For endurance you go over that. Typically around 20+. If you're able to do too many reps in a single set, that means the weight you're using is too little for hypertrophy.
I can't tell if this is true or not because that's the consensus online but a guy I know who has the biggest shoulders and is 10% said he lateral raises 60 lbs
Anyone else confirm with proof?
All hypertrophy training is the same. 7-12 reps and having your max rep reached within that range i.e. you have to push to make it into the rep range and shouldn't be able to go much farther if at all
lateral raises isnt some power movement, if you arent feeling a disgusting pump
after 7-9 reps at the weight range of 10-20kg then youre doing something wrong
dont listen to powershitters, youll only never get big delts if you treat all 3 shoulder heads together
like its "3 different bicep muscles" in need of complementing eachother to manifest the boulder visuals
kind of like the biceps is in need of brachialis to look real juicy
> *youll only ever
How do I make sure I don't look like this?
More chest and delt emphasis
10kg is the most I've seen someone do a full workout with without egolifting or roidtroon delts. Pretty crazy because an untrained man you probably starts with 5s. Took me a year to go from 4s to 8s (3x10 and eventually 5x12)
ive been lifting for 6 months and can only rep 6 or 7kg for reps
yeah that is completely normal. You could try doing short pauses at the top if the jump to the next KG is too much. Really try to get a mind muscle connection on them so you arent just swinging your arm but are actually contracting your delt to get your arm up.
Took me 4 months to go from 7kg to 12.5kg 4x12
Were you Auschwitz mode or something...?
prob low t, I started working out at 25 after doing nothing all my life. I am doing clean reps though, you really see some fricked up form on dbl raises these days
another episode of "everyone on fit happens to be stronger than anyone you have ever seen at the gym irl"
I guess I'll take it as a compliment then. Been lifting for 2 years or so
Idk what you want to hear here buddy, a guy that started at my gym 2 months ago is now on 10kgs with form.
Is this srs? I do 25lbs x 8 comfortably and I'm skinnyfat. Definitely not ego lifting
Same...Im a bit confused if people are trolling in this thread or not...
Maybe I do them wrong or something. I don't look like the OP's picture. I lean forward a bit and I rotate the dumbells more up, not down like in the pic.
Yeah what you described is good form
Post form. I bet you swing them up with your core and bent arms, and think you're done.
post your traps
i could do 8 killos after 3 months of lifting, you must be a shoulderlet.
Holy weak.
>Took me a year to go from 4s to 8s
height? i started at 8
i've been lifting for 5 months and i'm still a "novice" according to symmetric strength but i can do 8kg lat raises for 8 reps
i think stronger people could do 12kg for reps
The replies to this post is why the majority of gymbros have shit shoulders. You can't cheat your way to strong median delts, you have to take the ego hit and pick up the light weights.
No natties have big shoulders.
sure thing bud
Post an example then if you disagree.
just did
post shouldies
roid troony
im confused. from one side he is manlet so this is attainable from another obviously looks liek he is roiding
One of these sides is wrong.
Hint, he's roiding.
thought so
Those are small shoulders sir
>Those are small shoulders
wtf you say to me essay.
Another body ruined by huge traps. It makes his shoulders look tiny.
Honestly, the key for me is to go heavy, cheat reps, frick the form police, than drop sets, cleaner form
Get your volume in
Intensity and volume
Every 3-4 days repeat
Delt will blow up, wide shoulders incoming
Post shoulders.
Fine. Here’s me in the sauna post workout
HAHAHA what a pathetic moron. It's OBVIOUSLY mpmd
true thanks for posting that i actually thought it was that cute, k-on girl.
i wouldn't have realized otherwise :DD
H-how!? How did you foil my clever ruse !!?
so you take 3-4 day break between hitting shoulders?
If you hit your shoulders right, yes
72 hours minimum for hypertrophy
Get quality volume in and intensity
adequate rest equals growth
based.
i do the same.
4 sets of 10 with the heaviest i can reasonably do (14kg at the moment), i don't do clean reps because idgaf, i use a bit of back momentum.
my last set is always an absolutely BRVTAL drop set, i do AMRAPs with lower and lower weights until i reach 2kg baby weights and can no longer move my arms, not even joking.
by the end my delts are on FIRE and they definitely grow.
my strategy is similar for most isolations. drop sets are absolutely based and keyed
Never in my life
15lbs in each hand is where 90% of lifters should tap out. Lateral head is small, when you ego lift you just shift that weight to your traps.
Frog mode powershitter ~30lbs for sets of 10
Strongfat >200lbgay ~25lbs for sets of 10
Normie lifter ~20lbs for sets of 10
Add 10-15lbs if not natty. You really can't go heavier on them without cheating.
I thought I'm weak, but I do 44lbs for 4x10-12
Don’t worry, you can still be weak. Don’t let people tell you your this or that. You’re weak if you want to be.
Thank you.
My ohp 1rm is 230 and I use 45s for sets of 10
Natties shouldn't be doing lateral raises with dumbbells. The important part of the movement is right at the top of the movement which is always where people fail.
You're better off doing laterals with a cable whilst leaning away. This keeps the tension constant on the delt enabling you to hit it every time.
Cables do not build muscle
Kys dyel
the only exercise i feel my shit a lot on cables is tricep pushdown
>The important part of the movement is right at the top of the movement which is always where people fail.
>the most important part is where the muscle is also the shortest
unless you've inferred something else, slowing the eccentric, and taking advantage of stretch under load (at long muscle lengths) is more beneficial
source: just trust me bro
10kg
Gotta do high reps. I do 25lb’ers for sets of 40
I do my lat raises after shoulder press. So its pre-exhausted but then I do 12kg x 8 for my top set. I then go for 10kg and more reps and a dropset lastly.
There's a guy at my gym that does perfect form lat raises with 8 kilo dumbbells and slow, concentrated wrist curls with about 10kilos and he's got MASSIVE arms, including shoulders. I have also never seen him curl more than 22-23 kilos with an EZ curl bar.
Pretty sure he's taking at least *some* PEDs. No fricking way did he get frickhuge front and rear delts by raising 8 kilo weights a few times a week. I refuse to believe it.
It do be true though, I personally do seated lateral raises, 4 sets to failure, usually like 20x7.5kg followed by some more 5kg reps and I have respectable shoulders. This muscle LOVES burn volume.
homies prob on peds
the biggest guy in my gym who seems to have 18-19inch biceps is curling 50kg
i can barely curl 12kg
I'm gonna pretend ur talking about me since I do lat raises with 8kg and 10kg wrist curls.
are you a slightly balding persian guy that works security?
also, redpill me on wrist curls with low weight, please. Why not just do deadhangs or reverse or hammer curls?
not me feelsbadman
I'm not really sure about deadhangs, but reverse and hammer curls I believe are sort of the opposite of wrist curls, kind of like wrist extensions.
>I'm not really sure about deadhangs
the grip strength muscles that you use for a deadhang are the same muscles you isolate when doing wrist/reverse/hammer curls, which leads me to believe they are a great addition to forearm building exercises
Big dudes lifting baby weight are pretty much always on PEDs. They train for the pump, natties make no gains training like that
I would assume arm length would play a huge role in how heavy a weight feels on lateral raises
absolutely. I have slightly longer arms than I should have and lat raises are absolutely brutal.
I have Huge shoulders and do 30lbs for max 20 reps.
I also ohp 200 lbs after 1.5 years of training, sadly i haven't progressed much as i began focusing on chest at it was shit. Next bulk will be shoulders.
Pic related
Did you forget to train everything apart from shoulders? You have a meme build like Derek from MPMD.
it's hilarious, because i spam chest. even in this picture. Another picture will make it more nuanced, but it's like my body just maxed out on shoulders in the skill tree. real weird.
When i have finished my cut i think it will be more as i have gained a lot of strength in my chest on full rom dumbell press, but i am a bit fat atm
Derek is that u
literally my housemates
dude ur pecs are tiny
Bros, how the frick am I supposed to do 15 to 20 reps of this shit? My shoulders are burning at the 9th or 10th rep and I always have to cheat my way to 12.
>My shoulders are burning at the 9th or 10th rep and I always have to cheat my way to 12.
That's literally ideal for hypertrophy
thats literally the whole point, u want that burn. 12 reps is probably fine, but if u want to do higher rep, just lower the weight by a kilo or two.
>thats literally the whole point, u want that burn
good to hear. How often do I need to train them for hypertrophy?
>That's literally ideal for hypertrophy
you say so but I haven't really noticed any shoulder growth, hence the question above
>you say so but I haven't really noticed any shoulder growth, hence the question above
couple things.
1. Probably not bulking aka you aren't exceeding maintenance calories and aren't consuming enough protein
2. Growth isn't overnight. If you do 5 sets of that exercise, you will see progress of you are maxing out properly
3. If you aren't resting properly (48 hes before hitting the muscle again), you won't grow well because growth occurs during rest
>bulking
I'm quite fat already so I just make sure to maintain TDEE with a slightly higher protein intake
>5 sets
again with the 5 sets. why not just 4?
>proper rest
shoulder days are usually 2 to 3 days apart, rest depends on how well I sleep which tbqh is not that great
to be fair I sometimes do 5 sets if I'm not happy with the movement, but doing 5 sets for every single isolation would just take forever
Your cardio is just bad. When your cardio is good your body is much more efficient at flushing lactate and you don’t get the burn as much. My shoulders used to scream with pump for like sets of 10-12 on lateral raises then I got into cardio and after a couple thousand kilometers on my skierg I have to do like sets of 70 with 15 pound dumbbells to feel a burn at all lol.
>skierg
you mean this strange contraption? why not just go for a jog or ride a bike instead?
bout tree fiddy
20kg dropset to 10kg.
Drop sets are the best shit for all shoulder, bicep, forearm, and calve exercises.
Only been lifting for a year and severely ignored shoulders because I was scared to get hurt(surprise just needed to lower weight and up the reps till delts developed)
I can do 20lb straight arm lateral raises for like 15 reps or so.
20lbs is super low weight imo
20lbs is expected from where youre at and youre lacking both rear and front delts
I lateral raise 60 pounds and I can overhead press 205. It helps build OHP and decent shoulders as a natty.
>doing a meme exercise
bruh, ywnmi
its not a meme exercise redditard
k, DYEL.
Post your shoulders. I guarante they look like sloped shit.
morons that don't do Laterals end up looking like fricking sloped pigs.
this
keep at it, brooo!!!
Then your shoulders probably look moronic, lol
It's literally the same for all hypertrophy. You want to max out at 10-12, but you shouldn't ego max this ever because shoulder injuries are a hyper b***h
>You want to max out at 10-12
you can literally do 5-30 reps so long as it's like 5RIR or less and it'll provide relatively the same hypertrophic stimulus
the only magic zone for reps is the one that give you good stimulus, doesn't frick up your joints, give you pain, or completely tire out another muscle before your target muscle
>you can literally do 5-30 reps so long as it's like 5RIR or less and it'll provide relatively the same hypertrophic stimulus
Uh no. If you can still push yourself well beyond 12, you're using weights that are too light and 1-6 is the amount for power, not hypertrophy. By your logic the maximum hypertrophy range should be 17, not 30. ->
literally just follow the pic ^. Don't overcomplicate simple shit. Just stick to the science
it's nice that you read your first Men's Health article from 2015 on "5-8 reps for strength, 8-12 reps for hypertrophy, 15-30 reps for endurance" but you're wrong, sorry c**t
5-30
0-5RIR
have fun
Bro science are for fricking morons
Your logic is also moronic because minimum hypertrophy range is 7 so by your logic, 2 Reps is = hypertrophy, when it's actually power range reps lol. Absolutely stupid as frick. That and you think high reps == endurance. You don't know what the hell you're doing, flat earther
none of this is broscience
sets of 5-30 taken relatively close to failure provide essentially the same hypertrophic stimulus
I think I've fricked up on the RIR and it's actually 0-4RIR, rather than 0-5RIR, but the sentiment still stands
I don't know where you're pulling 2 reps and 17 reps from
if you're still going to be a sperg about it, here are some actual sources: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28834797/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7927075/
>jokes on you I'm pretending to be moronic
1. LMAO my source is literally NCBI. You also claimed it was from 2015 when it was from 2020. It's also ironic since your first link is from 2017 LOOOL
2. Your initial logic is you can be off by 5 reps (have 5 reps left in the tank) meaning since the range is 7-12 for hypertrophy, you're saying you can do 2 if you had 5 left in the tank. I messed up with the 17 one though, but regardless you are confusing "any rep" as being hypertrophy. You're very confused because you're mixing power workouts with hypertrophy and with endurance. Yes, reps matter for determining which of the 3 you're training.
you're moronic and illiterate, good luck on your journeys
You got fricked and are in denial. Have fun with your disorganized bullshit routine
Truth but volumetards here don’t understand shut. I do one set to failure every week on laterals. You all must be low test from all that stress
10-20kg dumbells or holding plates, preferrably i do mine with cables
its not that much weight too me after these many years but going overboard with weights
doesnt help me in the slightest
At my peak physique I was lat raising 20lb for reps and could OHP 185. I had shoulder surgery unrelated to lifting and look like shit now, but have worked my way back and am doing 22.5 for 5 sets of 8. I can OHP 150.
People with big shoulders arent natty
i have baby wrists and doing just 20lb fricked my right wrist for months. hate doing high reps tho
I don't, I just OHP.
It doesn't hit your side delts at all, you moron.
why wouldnt you lat raise and ohp?
He's a lazy /SS/ Black person. Those morons that do legs more than once a week will regret that after some time.
Shoulders are the biggest muscles on the upperbody.
>Those morons that do legs more than once a week will regret that after some time.
Why?
Because you're gonna look like a woman with lower body bigger than upperbody.
This tbh. I had to modify my pplpplx into PPLPPxx
Frick training legs twice a week, also frick squats
Good lad. Hope it isn't too late.
Hmm, I just learned there is a form police for lateral raises. Maybe that's why everyone is still doing pussy weight. 6-10 reps with as much weight as you can handle.
> pussy weight
sounds like the barbell benchpress guy entered the room sitting in a wifebeater and with stinky gloves on
20kg 3x8
12kg 3x12-15
Yes. I do 6 sets of laterals.
What do you hope to accomplish with this
Big shoulders and developed traps that I have after doing this for years. Turns out you have to work the muscles to make them grow, you know.
But why do half of the sets with light weight and high reps and the other half with heavy weight and lower reps?
None because I don't do lame homosexual shit like that
You have small delts.
personally I can do 10 reps for 12 kilos. then again I switched to ohp
You don't need to go heavy for lat raises, prefer volume. I hit them twice a week and typically do dropsets. Do cable instead of dbs if possible.
I do 25s and I do it FULL ROM, I go above my head straight up in the air. I think this is tarting to mess up my shoulder. These types of talk are welcome in my new and somewhat empty because its new fitness discord. discord.gg/a9zucXzc4n
I've done 45lbs kettlebells, but usually like 30 is good enough. I just did a quick set @30 to see if I was still good, tendonitis is fricking a lot of my lifts up right now.
I started injecting bpc157 into any sore joint and over time the pain goes away
pic related or with 2 dbs?
oops :DDD
?t=291
stand up properly with proper posture and a hand on the hip for balance,
the whole posture being part of the squeese and no swinging with shouldeers
you might want to rely on leaning over with the use of dumbell if you have
like some severe joint problems or something but then it might just be best
to resort to using those typical cables people bring to competitions and use
for rehab purposes
thanks m8 will try today
In a set to failure is it better to go all the way down, take a second to compose yourself, and then go up; or to never take the rom to a resting position?
I can get a lot more weight and reps, strictly and with a controlled eccentric too, if I go all the way down and pause. But I don't feel shit.
On the other hand I can lower the weight, shorten the set, and keep the tension for the whole duration and I feel the burn. But I wonder if it does anything on account of how much less weight I moved for less reps.
Nobody has anything to say about this? You could even have an argument over it. How is it going unnoticed?
nobody lift here
Why would I do this shit? When am I ever going to use that movement? You think women can't tell you bloatybuild? They laugh at you if you aren't functionally fit just in the dame way you'd laugh at a clown with bad fake breasts and an overinjected BBL.
>They laugh at you if you aren't functionally fit just in the dame way you'd laugh at a clown with bad fake breasts and an overinjected BBL.
LMAO homy fricking shit the cope. Delts five a broader shoulder look, moron. You're coping if you don't think they find that attractive. I can tell you look like shit
lol, I bet all the dumb homosexuals itt saying 25+ lbs are doing the gay dyel variant where you bend your elbows and rotate to do the lift
that's not lateral raise you moronic bozos
I'm not, twink. Is this your first month training? When I mean lateral with 30-35lb, I mean arms spread outwards while standing up
>mad cause called out
post timestamped physique
Month ago. No my delts aren't small lol. Your turn
>you won't
>no timestamp
>not even entire body
thanks for playing, moronic dyel homosexual
LMFAOOOOOO
you stupid b***h. I KNEW you were going to pussy out LOL. Twink spotted. Also I posted upper because we're focusing on DELTOIDS, not a full body rate, fool
Your turn
>literally too afraid
>no timestamp
moronic insecure dyel homosexual joke of a "man"
prob like 5'8" also, you scream feminity
learn proper form next time instead of going apeshit and talking shit
>rees about "dyel"
>I post my delts while the twink shit talks pretending they have better delts
Lol. Just post a pic, pussy. That's the problem with people that ask for body pics. When one person puts up, the other hides like a b***h LOL
>no timestamp
>"eNtErTaIn mE"
no moron lol
cry
>t-time staaaamp whaaaaa
Post delts now, beta male
>i swear on me mum it's me I'm totally not trolling and doing 50 lbs for lateral haha
have a nice day
post timestamp
I didn't say 50 🙂
I said 30-35lb
post a fricking pic already, twink. I'm not posting another when you haven't even posted 1
yeah yeah, I'm sure you are dyel homosexual
by bending your elbows 45 degrees and lifting inwards like a dumb homosexual, thinking it's lateral raise
I see dumb insecure manlets like you everyday, hence why I know I struck a nerve here
>still no timestamp
funniest shit ever is, even if it really is you, those are shit delts
especially since you wont show the rest of your physique to show how fricking small you are lol
I didn't read. Post a fricking pic, you absolute pussy. Holy shit, you are making yourself look pathetic by running away from me. Put up or shut up, dyel
>no timestamp
I accept your concession, dumb manley dyel
thanks for playing
>still hasn't posted pic
You're an actual pussy
>still absolutely seething that he was called out for his bs
>can prove it's him in 5 secs but doesnt want to
manlets gonna manlet
Post
A
Fricking
Picture
Of
Your
Delts
Holy fricking shit. You sure are good at crying like a homosexual but not actually putting your money where your mouth is. All bark and no bite.
see
bye dyel, here's your L
are you the form police?
I have always injured my shoulders doing lateral raises even at low weights. Can anyone give me some advice on what I might be doing wrong?
I always eventually start feeling a warm burn or sharp pain. This can last for weeks unless I stop training shoulders to give it time to heal.
most I've done is 11kg 3x10. feels really awkward when it's that heavy tbh. these days I do lu raises currently at 8.5kg 3x12. feels much nicer.
>powersharters and ego lifting dyel manlets unironically think that this is lateral raise
https://m.youtube.com/shorts/EW7LcE6RtVE
Doing super high frequency (like 4-5 times a week) lateral raises did the most for my shoulders.
You're not resting properly with that frequency. Max should be 3 days a week
You do not need more rest if you're just accumulating a bit more volume. That's like saying I am not resting properly if I do a set of pushups every day.
rule of thumb is 48 hrs to give the muscle a chance to recover. Even arnold only did chest 3 times a week. Rest is just as important as training and diet
I do this _one_ exercise that frequently, not an entire shoulder workout. It supplements my shoulder workouts on days where I otherwise do not hit them hard or at all. It just adds volume throughout the week because in my opinion that's what they respond best to.
Anyone else get an irritated elbow (I think it's the forearm flexor where it attaches) from lateral raises? One day it got inflamed and since then I cannot bend the elbow anymore without pain and I only started getting that when I added lateral raises to my routine again. My left bicep is literally atrophying visibly because I can not contract it properly anymore as to avoid the pain in the elbow. It's been going on for like 2 months already. I've tried deep tissue massage, ibuprofen and diclofenac and iced it. Sometimes it gets better and I can train but I never get a peak contraction out of my left bicep anymore. Interestingly, chinups still feel okay. To give you a better idea which movement exactly causes the pain, it is the most intense when the elbow is bent and I am pulling up. I literally can't even do the movement of an upright row without any weight, and 2nd worst when I hold weight with an extended arm like the lateral raises or front raises.
I'm natty and can do them with 14-16 kg as set and strict form
But my delts are huge as frick and you would call me a roidtroony on this dyel board
reminder to dyels
this is the proper form
though you dont need to go as high as he does, parallel to the ground is also ok and will avoid possible injury
I do 15 pounds, 10 - 20 reps, 5 sets.
>21.75" bideltoid
I lift a pair of 10kgs for 8 reps if I'm doing Lu raises, or a pair of 12.5kgs if I'm doing normal lateral raises.
bench more m8
how do I avoid trap activation on db raises
not shrugging your shoulders
Tire them out with UP Right rows first.
I don't want trap hypertrophy tho
Lift in the scapular plane. But theres no reason to avoid it unless your traps are overdeveloped.
My working sets are with 14-16kg.
Anything heavier my form starts to deteriorate
I do kettle bell lateral raises one side at a time and brace myself with the other arm. My shoulders have visible striations. I do 14kg and superset with 10kg plate Lu raises. The rotational movement really hits the shoulder, and as you touch the plates together at the bottom and top of the motion you really feel the tension and burn.
Iam in 14-16 kg