Hey IST
I tried to break up a fight at my work (public transport), and got my shit kicked in.
Some drunk straight out of prison dude was bashing a woman, so I tried to stop it, but didn’t end too well for me.
I just want to know what you guys think the best martial arts training is for general self defence and the ability to take someone down, and I guess just stop them.
Im 6’1” but I’m a skinny fat ass, trying to cut before bulking up. I plan on bulking up to become a big bloat lord just so I’m not a weakling.
Anyway I’ve got a broken nose and my eye is fricked but the real pain is the embarrassment of getting wrecked.
Any advice I’d appreciated
Judo.
Also helping others is idiotic, never do it you could get killed.
>Pussy
Yeah but I don’t have a broken nose etc. and am feeling weak
>Judo
Training judo throws in the context of MMA, wrestling and BJJ is a better idea because judo is a very constrained sport
>wrestling and grappling in narrow close spaces
what a bunch of twig wristed morons
>Boxer who gets btfo'd by an MMA guy
youve never been in a street fight and it shows
mma is modern day kung fu, useless larp
you've never been in a street fight with an mma fighter and it shows, they're not gonna have a boxing match with you they gonna blast double your gay ass on the concrete
>youve never been in a street fight with 0.0000000001% of the population and it shows
what a strawmanning load of fricking bullshit
man up and give up your coordinated fairy dances, homosexual
strawman? go back to plebbit you fedora tipping homosexual, you're the one that said it doesn't work and now you're b***hing about how "noooooo i'll never have to fight one"
>my imaginary friend is stronger than you
kek why are mmatrannies so moronic
as someone who just boxes you'd have to be moronic to take a boxer over an mma fighter in a real fight
its funny cause even boxers try to tackle each other when the sparring match gets too heated
street fights end in two to three punches and the one who is least drunk wins
again
youve never been in a street fight
trying to grapple a heaver, larger or stronger opponent on the concrete is a death sentence for you, you should shut the frick up before you start picking up your teeth from the concrete
t. can't fight
They always go to the ground. No one gets knocked out except in a fluke. People throw hands randomly and panic. You have never been in or seen a fight.
post body (you wont)
he's right, ALL fights go to the ground.
If you practice wrestling for self-defense, you need to adjust technique for concrete environments. I've seen multiple wrestlers die from slamming their head and neck into the concrete.
body.
You first. You've never been in a fight.
>no body
>only cope
lmao
slamming your own head into the ground is shitty technique on a mat or concrete
The traditional double leg takedown in the gym usually has the executor slam his head into the mats because you position your head on the side of their body. I saw a video of someone doing a double leg in a fight and they slammed their head on the concrete when they scored the takedown and died.
The adjustment is to place your head on the enemies belly as you do the takedown so your head is cushioned by their stomach.
Single legs have to do this as well though it's more awkward.
So a Karate double leg. Karate stands as possibly the best self defense martial arts. Teaches you to punch as hard as you can. Teaches you to kick as hard as you can. Drills take downs and trips. As long as you avoid the competition stuff Karate is great. Mix in some Judo or old school jui jitsu and you have a great mixed martial art.
>Karate stands as possibly the best self defense martial arts.
Kek here goes that one autistic karate homosexual once again. Give up dude, your martial art is a complete joke and everyone just laughs at you
>but m-muh secret actual true Karate that they teach nowhere
There is a reason why no one from Japan has ever been successful in the ufc
I seem to remember several high level Karate fighters like Lyoto Machida and GSP. The reason you don't see a lot of Japanese in the UFC is you can make a lot more money fighting in Japan.
Yeah and Ken Thompson and Anderson Silva. But only a moron would think that they didn’t modify Karate and also train everything the other guys train. moron
Because they compete in ONE instead
Even ONE doesn't pay out what gambling dens do. Even a complete beginner can make $10,000 on their first fight. Of course these fights are technically illegal, but that isn't really a problem for certain people.
Fishing for wank material doesn't prove you can fight buddy
>no body
lmao
Post yours
everybody's got a plan until they get body slammed on the concrete, I don't know why you think this isn't something that happens but you'll learn when the thing that's getting picked up is your quadraplegic moronic ass after you miss with the worlds ugliest haymaker
At least watch some world star hip hop before you post and say something so insanely moronic.
only experience with street fights you have is what you saw on a video lmaoo
larping gay, you can't fight, you don't fight, and you don't know what a fight looks like
you're scared to grapple with someone bigger than you, post body
body.
>street fights end in two to three punches
no it doesn't. It ends when someone says the cops are coming
You don't train grappling to try pulling guard in a street fight. Anyone serious about training grappling (like cops primarily) is training it to learn takedowns, takedown defense, and to hold bottom position. It isn't something they training to keep from throwing punches in confrontations.
these people don't even know what that means, they think grappling is just rolling on the ground with someone when in a self defense situation you're gonna try to take them down as hard as possible and the fight is probably over
Yeah idk who is to blame for this but morons who watch UFC and think they "get" fighting seem to think jiu jitsu is just guard. It's like side control or mount aren't even real to them.
ehhhh well there is a huge difference between being a cop and being surrounded by strangers and being a random person surrounded by strangers. You never know when the guy's friends are going to smash a bottle over your head if you aren't a cop
I can just stand up from dominant positions if I'm in this situation. You morons lack any comprehension of fighting.
You aren't going to stand up when you're on the ground locked in struggling with a guy while his friends rush over and start kicking the shit out of you, you fricking moronic ape. Get your head out of your fricking ass and diversify your approach you dumb motherfricker. Mediocrity and defensiveness is no substitute for being the kind of frickwit who thinks ground-fighting is acceptable as anything other than a desperate last resort in a public situation.
body
what's wrong with mma? genuinely asking
i would help a chick out and id most likely end up getting arrested for ripping the guy's eyes out, biting his nose off, ripping his cheeks off. fighting dirty is the name of the game
That's a great way to turn a fight into a murder. You will get killed
no. i learned this personally when i battled a methed up schizo hobo as a dyel weakgay at school. Black person tried to rip my left eye out and bite my face
you never been in a fight anon lol
Be a pussy. Listen to the navy seal:
I like judo because you should run away, but if you can't run put them on their ass, then run away. I've been in a few fights and regretted it every time, especially when I won. I'd rather look like a pussy than eat through a tube because I thought it was worth it.
Judo is a fricking meme.
Literally.
Just learn to wrestle at your local MMA gym. Mix with basic boxing and you’ll be ahead of 98% of the population.
>Judo.
Cringe
>Also helping others is idiotic, never do it you could get killed.
Based, don't get involved in others' problems. You might as well get stabbed by a dindu.
> Also helping others is idiotic
Honesty yeah, human nature is inherently selfish
Story now!
Also BJJ
We have a constant influx of people from prison and junkies because the prison puts them on our transport .
These two were fricked and screaming kicking shit and it just escalated.
There was some old women on board shaking and crying, I wasn’t even able to help anyone
BJJ isn't that useful in a street fight. Also good luck if the dude has friends, you'll get your head stomped in while going for that triangle. Not to mention rolling around on the ground is just moronic. So many chances for injury.
Judo or greco is superior. Dump someone on the concrete and the fight is over. You don't end up on the ground yourself either unless youre landing on top of them
Striking: Muay Thai or Boxing
Grappling: Judo or Greco wrestling
Anything else listed is just room temperature IQ bullshit.
If you get into a fight, are you going to think to yourself
>I fought a guy with friends, I wish I had known boxing, kickboxing, or Krav
Or
>I'm a moron for getting into a fight with a guy with friends
Or
>I'm a moron for fighting for no fricking reason
Hint: it's always the third one
why do you care about what other people think of you in a self defense situation? the ultimate warrior has nothing to lose and everything to gain
Not once did I mention what other people think of you
you mention in both "thought scenarios" that you'll be demoralizing yourself and acting self-conscious by calling yourself a moron. also
>no fricking reason
what? they're is always a reason, even if it is small and fickle in the grand scheme of things.
You don't think during a fight, you just act subconsciously. You have never been in a fight.
>waaaah people think ill look stupid and brutish i should just cower away like a weak loser and let the guy disrespect me or rob me
You suck.
You caught my grammar error.
AFTER you fight, will you think*
Nice moving goalpost. I'm sure you've won this argument with those and your semantics.
see i dont use modern grammar and terms to try and victimize myself in a argument, i instead use psychological warfare. how was i "moving goalpost"?
Your critique changed from caring what other people think to some shit about demoralization.
>AFTER you fight, will you think
X to Doubt
Sometimes you don't know the dude has friends until its too late. Sometime randoms jump in as well. Rolling around using BJJ is just not optimal in a street fight.
martial arts training, mma or bjj
also lift and gain more weight
>Im 6’1” but I’m a skinny fat ass, trying to cut before bulking up. I plan on bulking up to become a big bloat lord just so I’m not a weakling.
None of that makes any sense
So I’ve got no muscle, but a fat gut.
I look skinny in a shirt but have a pretty high bf%
I want to lose fat before bulking up just so I don’t become obese
>lose fat before bulking up just so I don’t become obese
that doesnt make any sense either
Well I want to bulk up to put on muscle, but since I have too high a body fat percentage (skinnyfat) I’m worried I’ll just become very fat in the process.
just start putting on muscle. you dont need to get rid of body fat just to gain strength or muscle mass
> I’m worried
Stop worrying. Go lift weights and, do ss or sl and get your numbers up quick.
Just start lifting weights. You'll basically recomp a little if you're brand new to lifting
Just do some general mma training. Wrestling is the best martial art. Get used to other peoples strength and being in a physical confrontation so you dont get overwhelmed by adrenaline.
Don't fall for the bulk meme, OP. Too much body fat is a pain in the ass to get rid of and you don't gain shit from eating above maintenance
Asking this website loaded with neck beards, twigs, trolls, and bodybuilders who never trained a day in their lives is mistake #1.
If you want a serious answer (on IST lmao), learn a striking sport and a grappling sport. Don't get roped into some homosexual-filled mcdojo. Make sure people actually spar. Don't try to be fricking Batman either, that is a great way to get shot in ameristan or shanked in europe. Best of luck anon.
general mma training or wrestling plus either muay thai or boxing. Kicking in self defense isn't really a good idea but elbows and knees can frick people up without breaking your hands.
Classical boxing and Greco-Roman wrestling are the meat and potatos of fighting.
Get a gun, no reason to put yourself in harms way.
yeah sure let me get a gun to shoot some one harassing a women
You're moronic. You make sure to shoot her too. Leave no witnesses.
Judo + BJJ
or
Wrestling + BJJ
Either of these will get you 90% of the way there by the time you're a blue belt. so in the space of a year you'll be able to handle almost anyone without grappling training as long as they don't out weigh you by a massive amount.
If you want a striking art, boxing is the go to, anything that involves kicking is too risky in a street fight unless you're at a high level. But I did like training Muay Thai in combination with grappling. Since it focuses so heavily on the clinch it synergizes really well with either Judo or BJJ and gives you a ton of conditioning training so you can take a punch and learn how to effectively defend.
BJJ is what your are looking for. As long as you don't get punched right on the chin, BJJ beats everything one-on-one. The next weak spots are the temples, but attacks against them are will in most cases result in broken knuckles.
Do BJJ, buy treat it as an internal journey. You will get your ass kicked by dyels for at least 6 months and you will suffer from all kind of regrets before you actually gets somewhat decent.
Jiu Jitsu is horrible don't learn it.
What do you think this proves?
It proves that Jiu Jitsu is ineffective in a real combative situation and was plainly archaic. Kano basically took the best of JJ and reformed it into Judo which is far better.
>A picture of someone saying Judo is modern jiu jitsu proves jiu jitsu is ineffective
How? Its like saying that guns are modern cross bows, therefore crossbows are ineffective.
Anyway, when people talk about jiu jitsu today, they are mostly thinking of like Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, which isnt really that connected to ancient japanese jiu jitsu. In fact BJJ comes from Judo guys in Brazil, so according to your modernity-heirarchy, you could say BJJ is modern Judo or something dumb like that.
Judo is largely about throwing people into the ground, hopefully so hard they are incapacitated. The insight of the original Brazilian Jiu Jitsu guys was that someone who is on their back on the ground is at least "still in the fight" if not dangerous from that position. So, they are simply not even the same kind of martial art anymore. Judo is about taking the fight to the ground, and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is about how to fight once you are on the ground. Where one ends the other begins.
Modern judo is about entertaining people watching the Olympics, not about taking people to the ground. Otherwise you'd have the ability to touch the legs
Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is not the same as Japanese Jiu Jitsu
Knowing grappling, takedowns and ground fighting is good but it is better to knock the person out or trip them and kick them in the head than lock yourself down to get stabbed or tag teamed
for a bunch of strong lifting dudes, you guys sound like a bunch of pussies
>I don't like getting my ass kicked, so I'm going to go into a martial arts gym and pay to get my ass kicked two or three times a week
Get a gun.
>get a gun
Shoot and run away. There's a 50% chance you'll get away with it. It goes up to 85% after the first 48 hours. Moreso if the guy is wounded, and more if a convict.
If you are carrying a cell phone tied to your identity when you commit a crime, especially a serious crime (because they actually give a damn then) or your face is exposed at all, because of surveillance and universal smart phone usage, you will be caught.
Getting away with crimes now days requires serious effort.
Nigs get away with it every day. 40% of murders go unsolved, and in the other 60% the person who did it was an obvious suspect like the husband not a stranger. The govermnet sucks at everything it does, that's why libertarianism is the answer not just for moral but economic reasons as well.
>40% of murders go unsolved
Only because they literally don't care.
The surveillance infrastructure of select cities is akin to a max security prison. Facial recognition is all you need when cameras are everywhere.
Also Cell phone and technology companies keep an active record of all cell phone locations using cell tower triangulation with accuracy with in inches of true location.
Most crimes are solved these days by getting a record of what cell phones were in the area.
If you do a high visibility crime like a shooting, you WILL be recorded by the public and the video will make it to social media.
God help you if it goes viral and the public internet man hunters start looking for you.
You sound buck broken. Completely petrified by the government.
it's just the reality we live in. I don't see how acknowledging reality makes someone "broken".
If you get away with a crime these days, it's usually do to an over burdened or corrupt justice system that just doesn't care.
The san francisco prosecutor was unironically pulling a Big Guy For You a couple years ago when they set a bunch of criminals free. Total corruption.
Facial recognition. That is why blacks get away with it. Even the computers can't tell them apart. Same with Asians.
You don't pull out the gun and start screaming orders like a cop, you act injured and submissive and when they least expect it reach it and start blasting.
kek this
When you help or protect others, you walk with God. When you walk with God, there is no shame. Consider, you lost the fight, but your goal was to protect the lady being beaten, and you did that, although you lost, you still protected her. I protected someone once and got a double black eye, though I did not lose. Our injuries are the shame, and the pride.
To answer your question, eat clean and a lot, run for cardio, do squats and shadow box, and take wrestling and boxing classes and in 6 months you will be the most dangerous hand to hand fighter at your work, but you must put the work in to become that. If someone has a weapon you will still be in danger and I recommend carrying multiple tasers and bear spray in case people group up on you.
Honestly Tae Kwon Do is pretty good to stop someone attacking someone else. You can kick someone in the back of the head and put them out or even kill them.
Good Taekwondo is so hard to find around here. There are plenty of Muay Thai places that are solid but the Taekwondo scene is all grifters who do an hour of katas and no sparring. Tempted to just pay my father in law to do private lessons in Kempo
Kempo would be good, but takes a lot of dedication to put into practice. You could also look for Karate. Muay Thai has useful skills and very good training practices that you don't find in a lot of martial arts. I would train in more than one thing if you can. Boxing is also an option as they have the best training practices in my opinion.
Having done both, I would say that Muay Thai is a lot more practical in a fight than taekwondo, it's very direct and agressive, tkd has a lot of impractical flashy kicks, and teaches some bad habits like chambering punches at your waist, also I found a lot of the blocks to be rather ineffective
tae kwon do has degraded quite a bit. The more traditional forms are a lot better. The blocking is often taught very stiff but if you loosen up they are very effective. Coming from the waist is a bit of bad practice but you can throw punches from the waist in a fight very effectively. Look no further than Anderson Silva and Muhammad Ali. The main problem again is being very stiff. A lot of practices in Tae Kwon Do are to build strength and speed and not for practical use. The problem is that they do not make distinctions between what is what. Crescent kicks are for hip flexibility and building the muscles for throwing roundhouses, side kicks, and hook kicks. Back kicks are used to build power in side kicks and spinning kicks. Axe kicks help speed up how fast you can reset after roundhouses or front kicks. The problem is that the way competitions are now the masters have lower fight IQ despite knowing a lot of techniques. Muay Thai has a high fighter IQ do to the sport being much more combative. Personally I think muay thai is often lacking in technique. The less practical techniques are removed in favor of practical ones, but this also cuts out the benefits in flexibility and power that training those other techniques yield.
what a fricking reddit-tier white knight moron
Mma is simply the best, specially for untrained bums if you want to fight for self defence.
All other styles like boxing, kickboxing, muay thai, wrestling and judo are all great too but all are too specialized and don't cover defense for most scenarios.
Ideally focus on mma and cross train in another style for half a year and then move to the other of the list i mentioned, this way you will be very well rounded.
For strength and conditioning, lift heavy, lift explosively and do plyos, for cardio run a lot for intensity rather than distance, 1 mile runs at 7 minute mile pace is better than 3 mile run at 10-12 minute mile pace, do a lot of sprints.
Best way to take a punch is to alway grit your teeth whenever you are in punching range, doesn't matter what is happening, grit your teeth as you get closer and that way even if you get hit it won't be so bad because you are bracing for impact.
For your neck, train isometric holds as you want your neck to be as stiff as possible to absorb impact better, obviously dynamic reps are also good but your want to focus on time and isometrics rather than reps and weight.
As for bjj, bjj is fricking useless, the karate of grappling, in a self defense fight you'll get biten or have your balls squeezed and if someone doesn't like what they are seeing, you'll get your head kicked like a soccer ball, avoid the ground at all cost, focus on techniques that end the fight as soon as possible.
Even in a sport context bjj is only good for bjj, even in mma ta lot of bjj experts get humiliated by average mma grapplers.
sounds like good advice
>Even in a sport context bjj is only good for bjj, even in mma ta lot of bjj experts get humiliated by average mma grapplers.
First of all, there isn’t a single guy in mma that doesn’t train bjj, bjj against someone who doesn’t know bjj is brutally effective. There is a reason why rounds in the ufc only go 3 minutes, because otherwise grappling would be even more dominant than it already is.
Also:
>Paul Filho, 23-6-3
>Antonio Nogueira 31-4-1
>Demian Maia 28-11-0
>Charles Oliveira 33-8-1
Actual complete moron opinion
the rounds are always 5 minutes since almost the beginning of the UFC
All of them btfo by wrestler and guys that only did grappling that you learn in mma, not even bjj specialist, just strikers with grappling knowledge.
you have no idea what you're talking about, you're a moron gay that thinks mma is a style and doesn't even train it.
>you're a moron gay that thinks mma is a style
Kek, ok child.
>doesn't respond to me calling you out for giving advice on something you have never done
moron
>There is a reason why rounds in the ufc only go 3 minutes
They go 5 minutes. Originally the UFC had no time limit.
>boxing, kickboxing, muay thai, wrestling and judo are all great too but all are too specialized
Well they are specialized, but how are they _too_ specialized?
Like if you got really good at boxing, and you didnt know anything about kicking or grappling, I think you would likely have good self defense skills. You would be dangerous to the average person.
It just turns out there are a lot of ways to be dangerous. That doesnt mean to that focusing on any particular way is "too specialized" or somehow deficient for not including the others.
>Best way to take a punch is to alway grit your teeth whenever you are in punching range, doesn't matter what is happening, grit your teeth as you get closer and that way even if you get hit it won't be so bad because you are bracing for impact.
tf is this?
You take damage when your brain shakes. How tf are your teeth going to protect your brain? Sudden and violent motion to the skull is what you want to avoid. So you want to brace your head, and make it stiff on your body. The best way to do that is to angle your head forward and tuck your chin into your chest. Like pic related (you could even go more extreme). If he gets punched in the face, his head is angled against the direction of the blow, and his body (via support from his neck) absorbs some of the force and most importantly his head does not launch back independently of his body.
>As for bjj, bjj is fricking useless,
>Even in a sport context bjj is only good for bjj, even in mma ta lot of bjj experts get humiliated by average mma grapplers.
No idea what you are talking about. After wrestling, more UFC champions come from a background in BJJ than any other martial art. Today 2 of the 8 male UFC champions are BJJ guys.
Original UFC was rigged to favor Gracies either way so doesn't count lmao, typical propaganda piece.
The reason most people train BJJ in a BJJ favored setting since you can't strike them in the back of the head when they are going for a low tackle or elbow them in the ground or do other things that would violate their pussy pyjama cosplay moment, now frick off.
good mma bjj guys train bjj in the context of mma and also if your first instinct when someone is in on a takedown is to just start hitting them you're going for a ride
> First instinct.
Reading comprehension please, you autistic fricking homosexual. There are obviously rules in place so you can't frick up your play pretend fighting that favor Brazlian Blowjob Jujutsu.
are you a literal moron? do you not understand why people aren't training elbows to the back of the head in grappling training? If you need to do it to defend yourself no one's gonna tell you not to, but most people don't want brain bleeds out of their training.
You said competition and championship and other BS and then retreated to "MUH TRAINING!"
KYS moron. Can't take an elbow to the back of your head? Don't train martial arts that forces your back of the head to be elbowed because you are a dumbfrick that wants to go to the ground.
I'm not the same guy you dumb homosexual, but we can talk in the context of competition. What competitive organization wants their fighters to literally die or become moronic after a couple fights because they have severe brain hemorhaging. You could also allow eye gouges, nut shots, and stomps on the ground, but that would make for shitty competition. Are you upset they're not fights to the death?
Original UFC allowed a lot of nasty shots and things to go on without the referee stopping them.
You said its effective for self-defense, I proved why it wasn't.
I disagree, you don't need to train cheap shots or use them in competition to know how to use them in a self defense context. Elbows to the back of the head are more dangerous when the person doing them has good elbows and can control your head in the clinch.
Exactly, so why not train Myau Thai instead and maybe something like wrestling or judo? Better for street setting since a lot of BJJ gyms practice only the ground part with the guards and takedowns from a seated position.
BJJ alone isn't the most effective for self defense but any good gym is drilling takedowns and prioritizing top position and doing damage instead of guard pulling gay shit, that shit has no value outside of sport
> Implying most plebeian BJJ gyms aren't sports focused.
it's up to the individual to decide what they're gonna get out of it. You can make the decision that you want to supplement takedowns and learn how to avoid and escape bottom position instead of playing guard.
The only ones that do that are gyms with wrestling coaches and typically are mma gyms.
Pure bjj gyms are focused on the sport aspects so there is little to no takedown drilling in bjj gyms.
This. My gym teaches takedowns, and some standup but not enough to be really good at it. You need to take wrestling/sambo
Your head & my fist:
>neck to be as stiff as possible
this is the opposite of what you want, although having a strong neck is useful for taking shots. You want to roll with punches and let them slide off your head, not tense up and absorb the full amount of energy
Is true that rolling with the punches is a lot better because it reduces the impact but homie that is a extremely high level technique, not only you need to be able to see the punch coming, you need the reflexes to move in time and the distance management to move to the right direction because if you do it wrong you can easily put yourself in a worse position that makes the impact worse.
Rolling with the punches is so vague and too advanced for most people to pull off, in that case just tell them to not get punch at all lmao, like
>Oh you want to know how to take a punch? just don't get hit bro lol.
Is not useful for the average person that just want to be able to defend themselves and either way, even the best boxers can't dodge everything, you are going to get hit so is better to know how to take a punch that you can't dodge in case you still get hit.
Obviously defense is important but knowing how to take a punch is equally important.
this. If you gotta throw hands chin down hands up and don't try shit you see mayweather or canelo doing because you aren't them.
A modified philly shell isn't bad for stuffing takedowns
For self defense? Not too bad, as long as the other guy hasn't practiced a single hip throw in his life. If the guy is half-competent he won't have too hard a time clinching you and throwing you to hell and back. I'd say peak a boo is probably an overall better stance for self defense since you cover up your chin to allow you to rush the other guy while also keep a lower center of gravity and something between the two of you to make clinching a bit harder.
i would not recommend emulating a philly shell in self defense to someone that hasn't put in the hours working it, its effective but it's not for everyone and especially not for the inexperienced
The best martial arts for self defense is the 400M dash. Minding your fricking business, apologizing, and running will help you avoid 99% of all the fights you could get into and you just provided evidence for that. Just think, you got your ass kicked for a roastie - one that you don't even know! You're a moron for that. Redemption will come to you the next time you hear a woman in distress, you check your phone until she quiets down, and get to go on your merry way unscathed.
But you should do BJJ, very fun and a nice entry level martial art to get you familiar with what a combat sport is like. Not particularly useful outside of the gym, but it is comprehensive submission grappling.
i'm just stopping by to say that i could lay the smackdown on every last one of you shitheads.
based bait post, cant wait to see the riled up cogs reply
nah, they won't. but they know it in their heart of hearts. they're fat frick obese shill traitors and they'd be mincemeat before they even knew what hit them. it would be so brutal they'd have to censor it for the news.
Fighting is for Black folk and animals.
Carry a gun. Learn, very carefully, under what circumstances you are allowed to use it.
99% of the time and you'll defuse the threat instantly. One percent of the time you'll have to kill someone.
A woman was being bashed? Open and shut case.
Guns are for weak men.
Damn, he didn't have to kick his head like that, that guy may be dead now
Sheltered cuck detected. Someone comes at you like that, you make sure they can never do it again.
>Someone starts a fight and you immediately have the right to kill him
No
When the guy is on the ground and no longer a threat but you keep hurting him you've turned into the aggressor
He pulled a gun on him, moron.
He was no longer in possession of the gun when the other guy started using his head for football practice, butthole
Try to kill me I will kill you. Doesn't matter if he isn't able to kill me now he tried to seconds ago. It is just getting rid of trash.
Enjoy life in prison
>Muh self defense
Went out of the window when he was knocked out on the ground
Kek. It depends on who is on the call, the case and the DA. Plenty of cops feel the same way. I know a few who would shake my hand send me on my way. Laws don't matter as much as who is enforcing them. Hell even if it gets to court the judge has so much power he could throw it before it gets to the jury or even after the jury verdict let me walk out with a few months probation.
Enjoy catching a bullet in the back of your head the next time he finds you.
An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind
Live by the sword, die by the sword. Or in that Black person's case, the gun.
If he wants money that bad I will gladly give him disability. I am a charitable man.
Good.
No guns in my country and any type of self defence weapon or item will land you in prison for possessing
Guns are for pussies
Found the Black person
Also
>guntroony
>reddit spacing
checks out.
>assuming owning a gun and gun interest are the same level of homosexualry that browsing reddit is
what are you, a reverse psychology roastie? get fricked moron9
I assumed you are a reddit troony because of the reddit spacing you single digit iq moron.
>tried to defend m'lady
>get shit kicked in
next time mind your own business, she probably deserved it
Just do MMA, I've done it and even a fatass like me learned a lot
Wrestling and muay thai.
Put on some mass and strength
Why are you trannies so obsessed with Asian martial arts designed for people who are like 5'6 and 140lbs? Learn boxing and lift so you can pick someone up if need be, you aren't going to be fighting Khabib so not sure what grappling and shit would be for.
BJJ is from Brazil, not Asia.
Where do you think the JJ in BJJ comes from? It’s just Japanese jujutsu that Brazilians wanted to market so they added the weird Brazilian to the front of it. Kosen judo was the same thing but no one does that
Wrestling
Its probably a bad idea to interfere with ppl, you dont know if they have weapons or anything but MMA is the best base. Having basic wrestling, BJJ and boxing ability is all you need.
You want striking and grappling. Whatever is most accessible to you. If you live in a place with lots of different clubs/gyms then you can have your pick. The best would be MMA that teaches you to use grappling and striking in tandem. But if all you have is a boxing gym nearby, or a judo club do that, do whatever is most expedient for you.
Don't worry about bulking up or cutting right now. Focus on strength training and physical conditioning. Once you start lifting/training your body will improve. All the diet advice you need is eat whole foods, eat enough build muscle, or let yourself be hungry enough to lose fat.
Good luck and godspeed. All you need to do is make sure whatever you choose to do is something that you want to do every day and can get excited for. If you aren't satisfied and it feels empty that means you need to change something. Also, give it lots of time, progress with fighting is slow and you will won't see a lot of results with your skill for a few months.
Follow this routine.
sweet thanks. not op tho
lift weights. buy a grippy thing and build up grip strength
Best way to build grip strength is to get a bag of rice and squeeze handfuls of rice it over and over. After a few minutes you will really feel the burn in your forearms.
yeah ok ill try that later. got lots of rice bags at home. i like to do 10 reps on my grip thing then hold for 5 seconds and do 3 sets each one i add 5 more seconds. when im got nothing better to do and i find myself wasting time i hold it for 1 minutes several times. i noticed a hige difference in my gripping power especially as someone whose broken their wrist and forearm
just yell sneed
>mma isn't a style
>but you don't train in it.
Beautiful analysis.
also moron, you train aspects and put them together (punching to set up single leg, entry, run the pipe, into side control)
>Explains a style
>But it isn't a style tho.
there is no mma style, mma fighters just combine skills that they like using and add them to their game. Someone's striking base could be boxing, muay thai, karate, taekwondo, their grappling base could be bjj, freestyle wrestling, greco-roman, sambo, judo. Look at Khabib and then look at Michel Pereira and tell me there's an MMA style.
>There is no mma style
>Explains a style again
Mma means mixed martial arts, MIXED MARTIAL ARTS.
It means that you ARE MIXING THE MARTIAL ARTS
If a wrestler like khabib uses some boxing combinations to set up his takedowns, then his is MIXING THE MARTIAL ARTS.
If a striker like Pereira is using strikes to defend takedowns, uses takedown defense then what is he doing? You guessed it, HE IS MIXING THE MARTIAL ARTS.
The style of mma is MIXING THE MARTIAL ARTS, if a kickboxers adds tdd or takedowns he is MIXING THE MARTIAL ARTS.
If a grappler adds kickboxing to his styles, then he is MIXING THE MARTIAL ARTS.
Did you got that or do i need to break it down even further for your autistic moronic ass.
there is no style except what the fighter makes for themself. You don't train.
I accept your concession.
And most guys use a stance that's a mix of a wrestler's, kickboxer's, and boxer's. The kicking game has become very different from Muay Thai on account of takedown concerns. MMA is a style.
This.
Worst shit I have seen in a while. Thanks for the video.
ah so this is the true power of BJJ makes basedboys feel like theyre tough without them getting hurt
>tfw i forgot to take my meds and went to an abandoned place thinking it was a mma gym
I can't believe the ufc, the entire sport of mma and all those mma gyms around the world are not actually real.
>reddit spacing
All this thread tells me is that bjjgays don't even train bjj much less other combat sports or martial arts.
Muay Thai with a grappling art of your choice. The use practical use of elbows and knees can be deadly, and mix that with grappling and you are a force to be reckoned with.
>Wrestler throws 1-2 to a roundhouse, shoots for a takedown, passes guard with a knee slide, takes the mount and gnp
>That's not mixed martial arts tho he is just using different techniques from different styles
>ryan hall rolls around on the ground for 10 minutes looking to grab a leg
>that's the mixed martial arts style
>Ryan Hall doesn't mix the martial arts
>Losses in mixed martial arts
Ryan hall is what happens when a bjjgay goes to mma.
Ryan Hall was basically undefeated until he was defeated just once.
Shouldnt a 8-2 record demonstrate the power or just rolling around trying to grab someones leg?
It would mean something if those opponents were any good, the first half decent opponent he faced btfo him.
Many of those opponents are in the UFC. Certainly being in the UFC already puts you among the very best in the world. Like even the worst UFC fighter has got to be better than nearly anyone else you would meet IRL.
there's one at my gym and anyone in the UFC is just on a whole other level, there are some absolute killers that are light work for UFC fighters. There are really levels to fighting. Ryan Hall could take most fighters legs home with him, and he has solid kicks too, my coach has sparred with him and said they hurt like a b***h.
>A professional fighter is better than a none professional fighter.
No shit homosexual, bet you thought you did something there.
ignore what the homosexual are saying
boxing is the best for the streets
First start boxing and get one of these brass knuckles to carry. That will give you a quick boost in fighting power.
After you can defend your ground learn mma leaning to wrestling or bjj. When you are avarage on these you can lose the brass knuckles.
You are welcome
Don't do this. Assault with a deadly weapon is a serious offense.
Carry a roll of quarters in your pocket and put it in your dominant hand before you throw the first punch. If you know how to throw a punch your first becomes a boulder.
>I just want to know what you guys think the best martial arts training is for general self defence and the ability to take someone down, and I guess just stop them.
if you want purely self defence, and if you are 6'1, which is ideal, I'd say
>get more grounded and stable. Meaning, get more muscular from legts to back. Being strong and stable is main thing in any fight or manual work. Go play ice hockey for skating, do squats, learn dancing, archery etc. anything to be STABLE. No matter what kung fu master you are, if you fall down, and your body has not some autopilot stability inside (muscle memory) you won't do any good in a fight.
>learn confidence and projection. I am not even that big of a guy (30yo, looking like 20, 6'0, but I am a very strong person and still have been in an actual aggressive fight just few times. Often it all ends with simply psychologically intimidating the other person. Look how animals do it. Just have the presence of confidence and most people will back off. Yes, even bigger ones. And don't be stupid with it- you obviously won't intimidate a drunk military teen the same way you'd intimidate some drug thug. I think this "weapon" of words is extremely good, but you need to be intelligent when using it.
I'd say, if you are a strong and stable person, getting close to your supposed opponent and strongly and loudly addressing them will kick some fight out of them right there.
>ok, and for actual throwing of hands I believe boxing is the best.
Learning to block, throw the most natural 1-2 punches a human body can, and learning to dodge and slip is 99.99% of anything you'll ever need in a fight.
I think you'd need a coach who'd teach you boxing for exact purpose of self-defence, i..e less focused on dancing around and jabbing. then again - taking a liking to boxing will make learning easier.
cont.
The beauty of boxing is that it is overall very natural and simple, and you often repeat the movements enough that you can do them on autopilot. Especially to have the ability to react to sudden attempt of cheapshot.
My personal experience - some thugs wanted to rob me, One comes to me aggressivelly and I see from his movements that he is going to punch me. I am fricking drunk as frick at the moment btw. And without thinking I slipped his punch jabbed him, which surprised him and immediately punched him out cold with a cross. All on autopilot.
regarding other suggestions
>guns and weapons usually make people carrying them apply them when situation didn't call for it. E.g. my family are very pro-guns and all hunters, and e.g. father deliberately does not carry pistols around, because he said he has had an urge to solve any conflict with just pulling out a piece, and he said it is a very dangerous feeling and can end up with shooting someone who is just dumb and possessed no threat.
I am not sure if grappling is any good in a street-fight, then again grapplers are super stable and to be able to throw an opponent or grab him and control him any w
oh, and even though kicking is really good, if you know it, I'd avoid focusing on it. Too hard to execute. I personally was involved with soccer and some martial arts from childhood, and still when I eventually decided to do sports for health and leave the fighting for extreme situations, I only retained two kicks, if I ever need them - the karate type turning sidekick. You can crack some bones with that.
look at this vid
and the bruce lee style jumping sidekick - you can deliver almost all mass*velocity your body can muster with it at a distance of about 2 meters - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCPc8nHUv7s
skip the movie theatrics and try it vs a bag. It delivers massive amounts of energy.
that's it. Eat to about 90 kilos at your heigt btw
Train bjj
"But if he has friends"
No martial art can defeat multiple opponents, and if you cant safely beat a single opponent its lunacy to train for multiple
"Get a gun"
Would shooting that guy and going to jail be a good option OP?
If you choke someone out with a rear naked choke you cant get charges pressed
>Train bjj
This but Judo and not bjj
There are some individuals who can beat multiple opponents. This requires a different kind of fighter though and a different mentality. Not very many people on this level. The absolute minimum is to be at least 200 pounds and lean. Capable of many different kicks. Capable of many judo and wrestling throws. Incredible flexibility. Able to throw a powerful punch from many angles. Able to take blunt force trauma that could kill a person and keep fighting. You will have to be able to take baseball bat to the back of the head and be able to keep going. Looking at these requirement you see that you would have to weight lift, train multiple martial arts, do yoga, and do body hardening. It isn't impossible, but it would be an 8 hour routine 5 days a week and your body might not keep up.
So basically one in a billion and basically impossible?
Judo is cool and used to mog bjj, but olympics fricked the martial art aspect of it removing leg grabs and most of the newaza and i think that only 1/10 of everyone advocating for judo actually trains judo
Yeah dude the average boxing hobbyist can knock out multiple people in fights, thats not 1/1000000 for sure
Really? Well in my country at least you dont get in trouble for imobilizing with grappling someone who wants to hurt you, now if you break his teeth and nose you are screwed
No just a different routine than many fighters. Many elite military branches are full of such people. It is more of a one in 100,000 type of thing.
>cant beat multiple opponents
someone post one of the thirty webms of drunks knocking out like five other dudes
>If you choke someone out with a rear naked choke you cant get charges pressed
No matter how safe it is, strangulation is an aggravated assault in many jurisdictions.
The first step is knowing the squaring up and fighting is a horrible idea, just immediately attack. Don't have a clench fist at the start, if you close your first right before hitting someone you'll be faster try it: First hold and fist and strike the air a few times and then try with a relaxed fist that tenses up at the end, faster right? All in all though, you should be using a palm strike since it covers more surface and has more of a pushing motion which is favorable in the courts. Grabbing someone by the collar or throat and immediately taking out the leg from behind them is a good start.
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>Boxing
>Some form of grappling/wrestling just in case it goes to the ground.
>If it comes to Asocial violence, then use a gun, simple as
There you go, OP, everything you need.
>Some drunk straight out of prison dude was bashing a woman, so I tried to stop it, but didn’t end too well for me.
Never ever EVER intervene in lover spats. The modal outcome is that the broad blames you. Worst case, you get arrested. She likes him enough to frick him, which is much more than she likes you.
Buy jack Dempsey book explosive punching and start training after you take some damn boxing lessons (learn form and footwork) get a sandbag and practice workouts after a while take some judo lessons and gi bjj no gi sounds nice but all the greats trained gi
https://www.bjjee.com/articles/sandbag-training-for-grapplers/
Also spar all the fricking time can't expect to be a great golfer without having ever picked up a club you also can't expect to be a decent fighter without actually fighting since you really can't pick fights like you used to without ending up in serious trouble with police your only alternative is to spar. Practice in front of a mirror make sure your throwing proper punches and not leaving yourself wide open. Tony Jeffries has lots of boxing videos so you can practice at home once you take a few lessons
You need to read Rory Miller. He's essential for anything to do with self-defence. Look up his credentials if you doubt me.
I'd also advise you ignore people in this thread who suggest wrestling/ground-based martial arts or any art which inflexibly focuses on striking. Neither of those are a good idea when:
1) a guy might have buddies nearby who can come over as you choke their friend out and kick your head all over the pavement, or
2) you're trying to strike a guy into submission while he's absolutely pumped on adrenaline to a point where he won't even notice his bones breaking or other permanent damage
Sorry you got your shit kicked in, anon. You did the right thing, thanks for trying. Good luck -- and, seriously, read Miller.
No matter how much he reads if he freezes up before he can do anything he'll be fricked he's gonna need to work over the fear of being hit from sparring when I was younger I loved slow sparring I thought it was like a game didn't realize until way later how fricking beneficial it is
I completely agree -- Miller even covers this exact point in his work, and he covers the freeze response extensively. Reading alone definitely isn't enough. But training without knowing your shit is inadequate, too, even if it's better than just reading. Knowing the social ins and outs of self-defence, knowing how stuff like the freeze response works, knowing how to keep your cool, knowing what does and doesn't constitute self-defence, knowing the legal implications of stuff -- these things aren't really covered by MMA gyms, BJJ gyms, boxing gyms, etc, unless the instructor happens to have a mind for it.
Those gyms are all too often frequented by dudes who'll want to "learn how to fight", and so the logistics of things like the freeze response don't concern them -- they're tourists, and frickheaded ones at that.
But again, we're in agreement. Tough sparring and drilling desperate situations with good training partners is essential. But reading Miller's work is, too. It's relatively brief and the books are worth their weight in gold.
Defending a hoe from the guy she's fricking is not the right thing
Yes, it is. Beat his fricking ass into submission or be a pathetic coward, it's your choice.
A lover's spat is the couple's business; and ultimately, she has more of an attachment to the guy she's screwing than any erstwhile white knight.
You think it's to get pussy? Sounds like you're just an incel, anon. If you felt yourself capable of getting pussy, you'd be capable of viewing women as something other than pussy.
Here's an alternative thought: it's possible to do nice things because it's the right thing to do. Seems you've given up on that, which is why you're on IST in a martial arts thread calling people white knights. Sorry, but you should either fix yourself up or rope. People who don't believe in anything but their own moronic little power fantasies aren't welcome on the planet I live on.
Literally the only reason to do anything nice for a girl is to frick her, unless you're gay or a cuck
Read my post again, you sodomite wienerroach. You believe in nothing and are worth nothing as a result. Better yourself immediately or rope.
I don't take advice from white-knight cucks, enjoy having your face kicked in by a guy while trying to bang his girlfriend
>incel
Low tes homosexual that had his butthole destroyed by other men is teaching others about women
Time to have a nice day
Incel spotted. Rope, anon!
>192 replies
>not a single body post
>just incels fantasizing about martial arts
take your thread to IST or some shit
>He says while not posting body.
Body posts mean frick all boxers aren't super fricking buff you homosexuals just get hard seeing muscular men and want an excuse to view them
I tend to this of this in ratios of timr spent training. I'm thinking of 80% striking and 20% grappling.
Right now I'm doing 100% boxing, but I might add some BJJ later.
You have to grow up fighting and it helps being a drunk from a bad family where your dad beat you so youre amgry at everyone and fighting , drinking and beating women
Since you're not that, youre soft and will just be that yuppie kid at mma or boxing gym or whatever
This is the only correct post here. None of you here have a fighting spirit. You need low IQ and high test.
All 'which martial art will let me beat Black folk on the street ' threads are fricking moronic.
ALL modern martial arts with the exception of training with firearms are for sport. You aren't training to fricking kill anyone.
When you are fighting on a non - sanctioned enviroment the only goal is to survive relatively unscathed. Which means there are a billion of factors, including the Black folk Black person friends stabbing you/stomping on your head, which you cannot train for.
Ergo, the only consistent way to survive street fights is these 3 simple steps:
1) Be physically fit
2) Always outnumber the threat and if you can't do that get the element of suprise
3) Don't start shit
>the only consistent way to survive a street fight
>be physically fit
>don't bother learning how to fight in any context
boxing for beating the shit out of the guy, and always try to keep the fight on your feet, and wrestling to learn how to body slam someone and avoid being taken down. I seen hundreds of leddit street fights and many of them end with some guy suplexing the other and making him dab from the brain damage of landing on their heads.
this. If they have no takedown defense (they won't) there is no fight.
every street fight starts with boxing so learn to throw a jab idiot, that will keep people off their foot work
judo is good because you can learn to tackle and throw but there are some pro wrestling throws that judo won't teach like a classic suplex
>classic suplex
Risky on hard ground, it's all too easy to knock the shit out of yourself by landing with the back of your head on concrete, even if you're skilled. The same set up but with a slam or pile drive is much better.
What the frick are you talking about? The suplex or ura-nage is part of the judo curriculum and you see it all the time as a counter
train a grappling art + some mma sparring - any striking art is a non starter because the amount of brain damage you must accrue until you're proficient enough to fight is just dumb.
grappling martial arts don't come with the cost of head punches, and if you spar a little mma (where you will get punched in the head, but atleast not as much as full time striking), you will know how to takedown and control people who are trying to hit you.
Just do (kick)boxing instead of meme fight sports
Powerlifting and Neck training with some sparring to get your confidence up.
Easier to just be stronger and have a thicker neck than 99% of men, than be weak and risk them getting a lucky shot in that puts you on your ass.
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Vid related is bodybuilder Jujimufu wrestling some MMA guy, The man has never fought before in his life LMAO.
Boxing/kickboxing/muay thai and be 225 lbs or more buff guy. I'm from Belarus and there was a case in Minsk in 2020 when guy from pic knocked out several policemen that were equipped in helmets, had shields and etc with just bare knuckle punches
join a mma gym in your town, explain that you don't plan on competing just selfdefence and cardio/fitness and go to an actual weight gym twice a week do compounds eat your meals and try to weight 10kg more
Checked
>I’m a skinny fat ass, trying to cut before bulking up.
I don't think "cut" means what you think it means. You said in your post you are "skinny fat ass", which to me means you have little to no muscle at all.
"Cutting" in the bodybuilding world is a period where we eat on a calorie defecit whilst consuming around 150-200g of protein a day. We do this to lose fat, but as you probably know, you inevitably lose muscle whenever you lose fat. By eating high levels of protein, we can slow down the rate at which we lose muscle. But, we will still always lose muscle as we also lose weight.
I don't really understand why you would want to cut, seeing as it seems you don't have enough muscle to afford to lose. You can't really go on a cut if you don't have a lot of muscle mass to begin with - that's why we bulk before we cut, so that we can afford to lose a bit of muscle whilst we lose fat.
If you have no muscle to begin with, your cut is just going to be you losing weight in general.
Also - Krav Maga sounds like the best option for your situation.
>training martial arts for self defense
pepe laugh
Brazil is a hell hole
Thats not such a bad story. Before clicking your image I was worried it would be like "I did 3 years of MT and I got my shit kicked in by one guy in a fist fight".
He kicked one guy hard enough to incapacitate him, and he managed to drag the other guy into a clinch. He did this against two opponents simultaneously. That is impressive; much better than what an untrained person would manage to do.
He obviously suffered tremendously to his knife wounds, but it doesnt seem to be the fault of his MA training. It is not like he would fair better to a knife if he had not trained in MA. It does sound like he was blaming his MT training for making him choose to get into a clinch, but it really just sounds like he didnt anticipate a knife, which he would have done if he wasnt trained in MT either.
cope
Is there even anyone on IST who knows Japanese Jiu Jitsu? Everyone only ever talks about BJJ.
Unfortunately, 90% of the time the bigger and stronger man wins. You could train a martial art every day but the bigger guy will win. Especially in a bus or train where the assailant can use the tight hallways to gain leverage during a grapple.
Just get some bear mace or a knife OP
There is a point of diminishing returns on size. That point is around 240 pounds. If you are 240 pounds and in decent shape you will be fine in a fight against just about anyone.
Sumo.
Best Martial Art? Most likely any type of boxing-based type that involves a lot of clinching.
Optimal would be Mixed Martial Arts. Although I believe a perfect punch beats a perfect takedown or a perfect rear naked choke.
>a perfect punch beats a perfect takedown or a perfect rear naked choke
Possibly, but given how you simply can't train striking at the same intensity levels you can grappling consider the likelihood of achieving a perfect punch as opposed to a perfect takedown or submission.
What the frick are you talking about? Of course you can train striking at the same or even greater intensity than grappling. Research how some of the best trained.
Anon, I can roll with the exact same intensity as I fight in tournaments during my BJJ classes, but I wouldn't be able to train more than once a week if I sparred like I fight in matches during my boxing classes. There is an inherent gap on how similar practice and application are for every martial art, however that gap.is far, far wider for striking than it is for grappling
That is your fault or your trainers. There is many fighters who sparred everyday and often several times a day. If you are getting too injured to spar everyday you need a lot more practice and maybe a better coach or routine. Are you watching videos of your sparring matches? That can help a lot of fighters. Start from there and maybe double up on your calisthenics.
Anon, I do spar regularly. That's the point, it's sparring, it doesn't feel anything even remotely like fighting, in which I'll 100% try to take the other guy's head off with each punch and receive the same from him in return. Try actually fighting to the point you get knocked out every day. That is simply not possible.
Many fighters sparred exactly that way though and they were absolute killers. GSP and Mike Tyson to name some off the top of my head. spar for 5 rounds 3 minutes a piece where you and your opponent are trying to put each other away. It is a tried a true method. Some fighters had more sparring matches than days between their fights.
>Many fighters sparred exactly that way though and they were absolute killers.
This is the opposite of what I know about Thai fighters, and I do Muay Thai. Thai fighters spar famously light. Basically just playing tag.
And they still end up brain damaged quick due to how often they'll fight.
I'd rather take my brain damage with something to show for it on my record or in my pockets than for nothing more than practice with my friends in the gym.
Anon, you seem to be under the impression Thai fighters get anything more than a few scraps in exchange for permanent damage to their ability to think and experience reality. Though if that seems like a good trade off to you might not have that many neurons to lose in the first place.
boxing and going to transition to muay thai. For me it is worth it, I have never felt any passion for anything other than fighting.
Self-destructive behavior driven by a lack of wants or perspectives is never healthy, anon. I'd know, I too often feel the same way and it was everything I knew a few years back. Take good care of yourself and try to find something really worth living for.
I understand the consequences, I started it just to be self-destructive but my sense of self-worth has improved tremendously since finding something I really like and can be good at. It's what gets me out of bed and I want to take it as far as I can. I appreciate the kind words though.
90% of people never reach perfect grappling levels either way - this is reserved for athletes who have been training their respective martial art for their whole life.
It is definitely more complicated to master a perfect takedown or submission than it would be to throw a perfect punch. The learning curve is not quite as steep. Then again, you could be right in a sense that the average Joe on the street has no idea about any martial art, so even poor technique will work as if it was perfect on an untrained stranger, depending on size differences.
MMA is not a martial art of itself, I agree. I didn't mean it that way. Yet, knowing multiple techniques to use is not a bad thing. Mixing two arts together is nothing else but that. In MMA gyms, there are some inclinations toward certain arts. In most gyms it is just BJJ mixed with kickboxing and that's it.
MMA being a stand alone martial art is the most moronic thing I have ever heard. It is in the name that it is supposed to be a conglomerate of multiple martial arts. Just fricking study two martial arts and mix them together. If you go to a gym the teaches MMA most likely you are going to get no in depth knowledge of anything.
MMA takes the most effective moves from multiple disciplines.
Yeah but the only mma fighters who can kick decently have take karate. The only ones who can land and defend from submissions do grappling. The knock out guys all have a martial arts in their background. Other martial arts create much more spectacular fighters. A guy who has never done Karate can't just do a Karate kick. A guy who hasn't done judo can't do a judo throw. You can't just use a technique you haven't trained to use. It is no different than the guys who emulate Bruce Lee movies. You would have to have someone of one of those disciplines teach you those moves.
None of that extra shit matters in a real fight. The whole point of MMA was to develop the most efficiently brutal stuff but taking the best moves and excising the fluff.
muay thai > karate unless your name is Stephen Thompson or Lyoto Machida, also you don't need to be a karateka to do karate kicks, the most effective ones are not complicated. Michael Chandler is not a karate fighter but anyone can throw a snap kick up the middle.
I disagree, even if you are experienced in, for example, Catch Wrestling and Muay Thai to a substantial degree there would be no guarantee you'd be able to effectively transition from one context to the other or be able to combine elements from each into innovative and effective movements. Training under an MMA ruleset can give you the necessary context to develop this particular skillset you won't get by studying a "pure" style
Maybe with a lot of sparring. MMA is just so broad that that there doesn't seem to be a good way to develop someone into a super dynamic fighter without at least many trainers from multiple martial arts. You are going to have to focus on something as a fighter. The best always do. Also transitioning sports is not difficult for fighters with a high fight IQ. Most of the greats came from another discipline entirely. Kickboxing, wrestling, boxing, jui jitsue, muay thai, etc.
I'm not talking about transitioning between sports, I'm talking about being able to transition from striking and grappling mid fight, using punches to set up take down, kicks to check grapples, wrestle to block avenues to control spacing, etc. That's not something you'll get to practice without sparring within the ruleset of MMA.
dont listen to homosexuals telling you to learn how to do grappling because its useless and unnecessary against drunken old guys. the most practical and realistic martial art is boxing and 3 months training will put you in being able to beat 90% of the population
Boxing has great training regiments engraved into the sport, but it lacking some areas. It is the perfect martial art to pair up with any other martial arts. Take boxing and find another martial art to train in at the same time. After about 6-8 months you should be able to combine the two into an effective fighting style.
Pankatrion
me and the homie "fighting" by tightly gripping our oiled bodies and sticking ourselves together as much as possible while naked and a crowd watches us (no homosexual tho, even if we end up fricking)