I’ve seen many studies on this, though, I’m not sure exactly how these studies were conducted but from what I’ve read the studies suggest that a sedentary man who eats little quality food builds significantly more muscle mass than a natty who intensely diets and lifts.
Is this true or bullshit?
*a sedentary man on anabolic steroids I mean
The study shows an increase in LEAN MASS, not muscle mass. Steroids increase glycogen and water retention in muscles. You don’t build muscle by sitting on your ass under any circumstance.
Cope
https://journals.physiology.org/doi/full/10.1152/ajpendo.2001.281.6.E1172?url_ver=Z39.88-2003&rfr_id=ori%3Arid%3Acrossref.org&rfr_dat=cr_pub%3Dpubmed&
>To determine whether the apparent changes in fat-free mass by DEXA scan and underwater weighing represented water retention, we measured total body water and compared the ratios of total body water to fat-free mass before and after treatment in each group. The ratios of total body water to fat-free mass by underwater weighing did not significantly change with treatment in any treatment group (Table 3), indicating that the apparent increase in fat-free mass measured by underwater weighing did not represent water retention in excess of that associated with protein accretion.
Are you moronic? Teenage boys who play no sports have more muscle than female girls who train solely because of testosterone.
>Teenage boys who play no sports have more muscle than female girls who train
you should have seen the stringbeans i went to HS with
>You don’t build muscle by sitting on your ass under any circumstance.
Literally not true. How can you expect to be taken seriously when you lie?
HOLY COPE
Look everyone, we got a dumb fricking b***h here.
what a chad
This is actually a really good question that you're asking out of curiosity and it doesn't seem your trolling so I'll give you a legit response.
That study you're quoting is a well known one, I know the exact one because everyone talks about it. The problem with it is the fact that this applies to literally no one. You have to understand why the Anabolic you choose is being used and in what context. Is it for a cancer patient? A burn victim, someone with muscular loss from a break, someone with a tear? Depending on the the problem you would deploy a suitable anabolic. Also between males/females there's drastic differences in what you can and can't use ethically.
So the TL:DR is that the study is garbage if you don't workout you won't gain muscle it's seriously that simple.
Anyone who says you can hop on roids with a bad diet and no workout plan can goto MPMD's channel and look up the dude who tried that who blew up his back with acne scars that will be with him for the rest of his life.
"IF" Taking steroids is the easy way out, then why is it that 75% of people on them look like a bag of milk? It's diet/workouts
> "IF" Taking steroids is the easy way out, then why is it that 75% of people on them look like a bag of milk?
Because they abuse them by taking waaaay too much. It’s like how you can eat McDonald’s every day and not get fat but most people who eat McDonald’s eat way too much of it and gain weight.
>sedentary man who eats little quality food builds significantly more muscle mass than a natty who intensely diets and lifts.
You losers cant even keep you're "roidtroony" memes straight
A couple anons here already pointed out what is wrong with the study but putting that aside yes they're "unfair" in that they grant extra recovery and the ability to retain muscle while cutting that you don't naturally have. You can actually do shit like 8 hour arms workouts if you're blasting enough gear to help you recover.
Steroids don’t give you
1. Health
2. Diet knowledge
3. Training skill
4. Dedication/Willpower
But yes they give you free muscle for little to no work, but it’s like cheating in a video game, you can mog people but once you turn the hacks off you’re gona get owned, and your account will likely get banned. The roider equivalent is if you ever get off the steroids, you’re fricked because you never learned how to train or diet, and eventually you’ll get health issues which force you off the steroids, and you’ll lose everything AND have serious health issues to deal with
It’s just not worth it unless you’re mentally ill and suicidal
1.Yes, steroids are undeniably unhealthy, though some are pretty mild, and others are basically poison.
2. Unless you're genuinely sub 80 IQ, basic diet principles are very easy to understand. People over complicate this for no reason.
3. See above.
4. Yes, and motivation is individual. It's pretty common for people on steroids to be highly motivated on blast, then lose that motivation when they come off. Still, I can't imagine this is any worse than the motivation of a longtime natty lifter who has progressed only marginally despite lifting religiously for years on end.
>once you turn the hacks off you’re gona get owned
People seem to highly overestimate just how soon it takes to lose muscle tissue. The same thing applies to muscle gained from steroids. Assuming you put on a lot of quality mass (and not just water retention), you won't just lose that mass as soon as you come off. There's also research that steroids permanently alter your myonuclei, so there's a possibilty you always stay enhanced in a sense. It's true that some steroids cause acute dramatic strength gains through nervous system signaling, so once you stop taking these, you will not be as strong. I think It's pretty moronic to take steroids for this reason though (unless you're a powerlifter), when the main focus should be building mass.
>your account will likely get banned.
???
At the end of the day, whether you want to accept this or not, the vast majority of the health consequences of steroids can be mitigated if you know what you're doing and strictly avoid the notoriously harmful compounds. If want to seethe at and make assumptions about why roiders do what they do, that's fine. This doesn't change that fact that the roiders who are careful and intelligent about their protocols will always mog you with little to no consequences. This being said, there's nothing wrong staying natty if that's what you decide is best for you.
Don't forget Test permanently increases penis size.
The main way roiders lose all their muscle coming off anabolics is because they lose all the juice + their natural test is legit gone so their muscle basically melts off. The difficulty in recovering natural test production is also very very tough for many and who knows if it ever fully comes back depending on how long you were on juice for.
The muscle memory aspect of it doenst seem to be real based off what you see IRL and videos. Post roiders never look big unless they are on TRT which is what 99% of them do. Perma-enhancemetn is a meme
proof of this? I would think GH and/or a DHT compound would be far more effective.
>It’s just not worth it unless you’re mentally ill and suicidal
I'm gonna ask a legitimate question here; would a test cycle be advisable to take for a mega ADHD NEET who's unresponsive to meds? I feel like it's my last ditch chance
I started roiding at the nadir of severe depression, as a kind of YOLO attempt to snap out of it. I had basically given up on life at that point, I wasn't terribly out of shape but was generally skinny-fat, frail and ill-looking. It definitely helped, I started on orals then moved to injectables and tried out various things for about a 2 year blast-and-cruise period.
After that point I had a pretty respectable physique, I felt like I had regained my self-respect and my life was moving in a positive direction again. I quit roids cold turkey, it took me a few months to recover but I had a pretty decent natural physique. I didn't look like a bodybuilder but I looked like some of the swimmers who get posted on here. I'm generally against roids and that subculture since it's degenerate, but I can understand how for some people in certain circumstances, the best advice to give them is to stop being inhibited and start taking risks.
Thanks for the response fren. The experience you had is effectively what I've been told about using test as a nuclear last ditch effort if you're depressed and just can't get out of the pits of despair, which causes paralysis (pretty much where I'm at now). I've been told that it's an extremely potent anti-depressant, and that it can give you a "fake it till you make it" effect of at least putting you on your feet and building the risk-taking behaviors needed to move forward.
I'm also against roids for just hedonistic indulgence, but I just keep hearing piling story after story of people being in the slumps, then test giving them the shotgun blast to get their feet moving, and it has me pretty much sold on trying it. That, and I can't get instant release stims from doctors in my country and extended-release meds are pretty dogshit for managing inattention. My physique is pretty much the same exact description as you for when you started - skinny-fat, with a bit of muscle but no totally out of shape. I used to be built as frick when I was 19 and a LTR mindfricked me into letting myself go, but my attempts at recommitting myself have been on and off at best. Thanks for the advice bro
Yes that sums it up well. It's also a matter of intelligence and willpower, because roiding can be a never-ending rabbit hole for some people with insecurities, and for many it only ends in worse mental health, and health problems. I was always fully aware that these drugs were not healthy and it was something temporary I was doing, to live in the present instead of constantly thinking about the future. The frontal cortex is both largely responsible for depression and for thinking about the future, it's why lobotomies used to be "effective" as a treatment. As such for intelligent people who struggle with depression the best solution is to learn to live in the present more, like a normie basically. Roiding and lifting is all about being in the present, living in the moment. It helps to discard inhibitions developed through overthinking future consequences. Going from being a shut-in with all sorts of anxieties about the future, to someone who is motivated and with only one goal in mind that day; to pin and then blast his chest, is mentally freeing.
Other things that I suspect might help for the same reason (living in the moment) would be meditation and solo travelling.
https://www.strongerbyscience.com/steroids-for-strength-sports/
This is looking at performance only but most people roid for aesthetics. Powerlifting records dont matter powerlifters arent lean, the key to roids is they allow you to be lean and big at the same time which is not possible as a natty lifter.
okay heres a response from actual roider(me) who tried to do it the natty way for 6 years.
It's pretty simple really, roids wont necessarily make you big, but without roids you will necessarily stay small.
What are the downsides? Pinning for life?
Death by snu snu
That's about it yeah. Although after doing it for almost 7 years it's as easy and routine as taking a shower or brushing my teeth. The only other downside is i am sure i will die a few years earlier, but I never wanted to be some 80 year old decrepid frick anyways.
well yeah. but it takes 5 min to pin and you only have to do it twice a week
hardest part about roiding is getting the roids, but if you have a good source then its no biggie
I like the fact that roids are hard to get though, it adds a nice level of exclusivity to the whole thing and filters out the cowards and betas
imagine if every onions boy and zoomietard could get their hands on roids, it would ruin the whole thing for all of us
roids need to be hard to get a hold of, so only the serious people can play around with it
They do though, or at least sarma. The amount of zoomies ruining their natural hormones at 19 and dooming themselves is really something to behold
>be autismo
>want to roid
>can't because you need social skills to obtain steroids
>you need social skills to place an order online
what
thanks for telling me how to do it, sucker
Awful health for life requiring you to do frequent doctor visits and an early death
Unironically a guy on 250mg of test that does some pushups and pullups a few times a week, works an active job and just tracks calories will look better than a natty who meticulously trains and diets. I know this because I am the test guy and mt friends are the natty autists who give up all their free time and joy to cook and go to the gym just to look like shit.
why dont you use tren and anadrol
test only is lame
I used to but I no longer go to the gym. I wasted my youth there. The last thing I wanna do after spending 10 hours at work is spend 2 hours surrounded by sweaty autistics and roasties. I just maintain my physique now at 6'3" 210.
1 hour of full body twice a week is plenty to gain on roids
You might mog normie idiots eating chicken broccoli and rice who dont know how to train either. A natty can achieve an extremely good physique such as a greek stature or bronze era bodybuilders, but yes will never go mass monster
>unfair advantage
>roids
Maybe in sports, sure, but the reason most nattys hate on roiders is primarily for 1 of 2 reasons.
1.) They're jealous because they can't get it.
2.) They don't know what to use or more importantly how to use it.
Steroids are everywhere. They're in your favorite motives, favorite celebrities, even your gf is on steroids if she's taking the pill. The issue for nattys is that anabolic steroids completely crush natural lifting in every aspect. Get a natty who diets and trains meticulously, now get 500mg of test into a normie and watch him absolutely crush the dedicated individual. Go one step above that and take the dedicated natty and give him the juice, you'll see this is the most optimal scenario as his physique will quickly ascend to the top 0.001% for his age group.
Steroids aren't magic, they're enhancements. In saying that, blast enough and have a good diet and you'll ascend into a god.
Hormones are literally the only thing that matter when talking about body composition
That's why you should do cardio, eat a bunch of fat including saturated fat, keep your protein intake under 0.8g/lb of LEAN body weight, avoid sugar of all kinds, never drink alcohol and always do hard things while controlling your cortisol
look at that hairstyle he's got desperately trying to hide how his hair is thinning lmao
norwood reaper coming for all you roid trannies
Frick I want to punch every person that quotes that study. Even if it was correct, who the frick cares about results of roiders who don't lift? You should compare the results of roiders who lift to natties who lift, and yes the difference is huge. You pay with your health though, unless ur rich enough to do it properly with a doctor