I dont care about aesthetics. I like weightlifting and want to be the strongest I can be in the 89kg weightclass.

I don’t care about aesthetics. I like weightlifting and want to be the strongest I can be in the 89kg weightclass. How low can you go before you start fucking up your hormones and energy systems?

Also how does Jeff Cavalier maintain sub 7% year round?

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >How low can you go before you start fucking up your hormones and energy systems?
    What the hell do you mean "fucking up your hormones" ?
    >Also how does Jeff Cavalier maintain sub 7% year round?
    very painfully
    the body is not supposed to be that low

    • 2 weeks ago
      OP

      I meant that some bodyfat is required for hormone production. I’ve heard that weird shit happens to your body at super low percentages.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I meant that some bodyfat is required for hormone production. I’ve heard that weird shit happens to your body at super low percentages
        I have no idea what you're talking about. You said that you don't care about aesthetics so I assumed you wanted to go big
        >I’ve heard that weird shit happens to your body at super low percentages
        Yes, that's true. Peak performance comes between 12-18% bodyfat depending on your genetics

        • 2 weeks ago
          OP

          > I have no idea what you're talking about
          I think we’re on the same page. I meant when your bodyfat gets really low your body starts struggling with a lot of things because fat is a endocrine organ.
          > don't care about aesthetics so I assumed you wanted to go big
          Don’t care about aesthetics but I want to compete in a 89kg weightclass. I’m 93kg now and 15% bodyfat, so I’d be cutting it close to ‘suboptimal’ levels at sub 89kg.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            How tall are you?

            • 2 weeks ago
              OP

              5’11/179cm
              This is an old body comp scan.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Then why the hell do you want to compete at 89kg? There is no 89kg powerlifting class; you should be competiting at 100-105kg if you want peak performance?

              • 2 weeks ago
                OP

                Olympic lifting weight-classes are different.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If you want to compete in olympic weightlifting then you'll have a coach, so ask him

              • 2 weeks ago
                OP

                My hope is that I can get down to 89kg and max out all my technique and power gains there (if I feel healthy at 10%)
                Then I’ll try and bulk up to 96kg

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You won't run into hormone problems if your goal is strength, because you don't want to get shredded for strength anyway. Dropping below 8% body fat just to carry an ounce more muscle in the same weight class would tank your strength.

        Or, if you can leanbulk WAY past that weight class, you have chosen a weight class which is too small for your frame. Pack it on and accept being in the next class up.

    • 2 weeks ago
      OP

      I basically mean:
      > how low can people’s bodyfat go while still strengthmaxxing
      Is this one of those “depends, find out what you can tolerate” physiology questions?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You will not have good performance at single digit bodyfat%. If you want absolute peak performance without any care for health then you'll probably get above 20%

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Idk but guessing 10% is the absolute minimum. Depends on age and bmi aswell (being young and having a high bmi allows for lower % and being OK)
      Cutting hard will affect you for the rest of your life, epigenetics can really fuck with you. My 2 cents stay at 15% if you're not making a living competing

      • 2 weeks ago
        OP

        > Cutting hard will affect you for the rest of your life
        How? Has you observed this?

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Also how does Jeff Cavalier maintain sub 7% year round?
    How can OP maintain being a gay year round?

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Genetics, working hard in the gym for literal decades. His whole brand depends on his image and im sure thats a strong motivator. As far as whether he's natty, when you see actual videos of him he doesn't look near as shredded as in that picture. He's got a pump and probably is dehydrated.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Also how does Jeff Cavalier maintain sub 7% year round?
    8 hours of facepulls a day

  5. 2 weeks ago
    OP

    There’s a chance he is natural. He’s super neurotic about what he eats. Kinda reminds me of my father who does stupid shit like intermittently fast and avoid certain macronutrients. Though lucky genetics and physical training my dad maintains good muscle mass and <10% bodyfat year round.
    But he’s old and doesn’t care about maximum power generation and actually being strong.
    He’s a bit of a mobility and yoga fag now

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Intermittent fasting or time-restricted eating is great and makes me feel great. Maybe due to stabilized sleep/circadian rhythm which resulted in consistently excellent sleep and recovery. The reason I'm not still doing it is that I can't eat enough carbs and protein in an 8 hour window to bulk, and also I'm directing my energy to things other than paying attention to when I eat.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    OP

    I’m a massive gay

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder that you should never roid while trying to have kids like jeff did, you end up infertile and your piss ugly with botched face from plastic surgery alcoholic wife is forced to go in-vitro with your roided sperm, resulting in mentally retarded and facially disfigured alcohol foetal syndrome twins (more than 70% of in-vitro fertilisations end up with twins due to over ovulation from the hormones pumped into the woman)… look at those mongoloids and laugh… they belong in a cage eating eachothers retarded feaces…good job natty jeff good job.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      kek.

      are they trully retarded ? they look like it.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Also how does Jeff Cavalier maintain sub 7% year round?
    Steroids and anyone who thinks this snake oil salesman is natty is legit retarded

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because he doesn't masturbate and he keeps his arm under his pillow as he sleeps so he keeps all dem gains

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I lost 33kg this year but still have a good 15kg to go.
    However losing that and quitting alcohol and weed completely in Jan has made my testosterone go from 340ng/dL to 970ng/dL. I got no fucking idea how me at 40yrs old increased test that much unless alcohol and weed really lowers testosterone that much.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    OP

    I AM A MASSIVE gay

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    The best lifters in olympic weightlifting or powerlifting are short. You're height says you should be 102kg long term

    • 2 weeks ago
      OP

      Long term yes.
      I’m still pretty intermediate/novice. Max clean and jerk was 145kg. I’m kinda looking for quick gainz on the Sinclair scoring by getting to a lower class. And then bulking up lean and clean.

      As much as i respect my coach. He’s bloody old (mid 70s) and has some really old school methodologies that aren’t super current. I just wanted to get a second opinion here

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