Going to the gym and gaining muscle almost ALWAYS makes people look worse. Having a slim, lean body is a better look for 99% of people, yet young guys get psyoped into gaining muscles and end up looking like fat neckbeards
I don't get it
Going to the gym and gaining muscle almost ALWAYS makes people look worse. Having a slim, lean body is a better look for 99% of people, yet young guys get psyoped into gaining muscles and end up looking like fat neckbeards
he just got fatter, this is the male equivalent of women saying that they finally found their true self when all they did was get fatter.
powershitting must be stopped
>he just got fatter
>yeah dude he just gained fat in the form of triceps delts and biceps
>he's just fat bro if he cuts he'll end up looking the same bro
Imagine believing this
Left unironically can get mad amount of pussy but sadly the SS+GOMAD meme got him
Powershitting, not even once
These guys get it
This delusional fat guy doesn’t
Mentally illness about "powershitting" isn't "getting" it at all. Most of the dreamer bulkers are people who want to get "big".
Victim weight homosexuals on IST just live in an alternative reality as always where everyone stronger than them is fat. Guess what if you actually lifted, you would know you could get pretty strong without being "big", but you can't get big without eating big, hence all the delusional permabulkers who think they have to eat 4000 calories a day.
Looks like he is on a dreamer bulk. He needs to cut but it isn’t like he’s deformed now or that it was the muscle that made him look worse, it’s the bodyfat
>dreamer bulk
this, you want to bulk as slow as possible. he just got fat way too fast. also lmao zoom frauding so hard. closer up pics for after photos so he looks "bigger".
there is no difference is muscle building whether you are 100-200 kcal or 500-1000 kcal above surplus. you will just get fatter faster which means you will have to spend more time of the year cutting. hard bulk will make you stronger faster but it is mainly just from having better leverages and/or shorter RoM. sort of like built in powerlifting singlet.
Finally someone who has brains. This looks like something I would have written word by word. Its absurd how few people get this. Like its a net negative to bulk too much. You dont want to spend half year bulking and half year cutting. The muscle building caps out at like 30-50 surplus kcal but obviously thats not realistic so 100-200 is more reasonable estimate. You would make more gains bulking for 9 months and cutting for 3 than if you do it half and half. Or even better bulk for 2 years and then cut for 3 months.
Agreed, however I want to add some nuance to that. Mechanically yes, you don't need that much a surplus. However it IS easier to build muscle at 1000kcals than 200, because you have more energy to lift, youre glycogen stores are never empty, you aren't having trouble ever hitting youre protein and you can all do that without having to worry about macros.
So you can lift a bit harder AND it less complex than trying to hit just enough of a surplus that youre gaining muscle and not going into a workout depleted.
Thats why you have so many people convinced they need to "hardcore bulk", because when they try to the more sensible approach they frick it up and end up gaining nothing. But if you do it correctly youl'll definitely spend a lot more time feeling better and a lot less time cutting down from being a fatass.
Dude got that gibbon DNA
How did his hair go from left to right? My hair is alot like left and I always shave it off, would love not to though.
He doesn't look to be on anything but when I take SERMS my curly ass thick hair thins out and straightens up a little.
Any tips to keeping curly hair down like that?
He just looks fat.
Now he just needs to cut and he will look way better than before. Still proof that main-gaining is the only way to go
looks better unironically
>never lose faith in yourself and your own journey
Kek Zoomer moron. Only the seringe took a journey to your ass. Imagine the amount of journeys your boyfriend took
bulktards are as dumb as lean gays
>herp derp i'll just fast till im a healthy weight then I'll FOR SURE get my diet right meanwhile not gaining any muscle or endurance
>herp de derp I'll just bulk till I'm a natty maxx then ill for sure cut and look good once i do so
i'd wager this almost always doesn't end good
So what do you recomend?
500-1000 caloric deficit when cutting, 100-300 surplus when bulking.
>limit stress
>limit sweets
>limit processed foods
>lift and cardio whilst progressively overloading both
I'd wager op's was a result of college, which are notorious for stress and dogshit food. Atleast he put on some muscle and didn't just bloat up like they normally do, but he needs to do cardio is my guess he should be rucking all fricking day with books and shit in his backpack so i don't get it
bulking makes you look worse until you get back to the bodyfat you started at
Yeah wtf?
idiotic thread
you posted someone already fit coping with the fact that he became fat as frick
of course buddy now is pretending "It was intentional"
its all in the genes
Here's what the genetics look like.
Bro why'd you post some fake dbol prohormone? That shit doesn't actually work.
At least in the left photo he competes in natural bodybuilding
he's a little bit fat on the right. if he was equally lean it would be an improvement
This has to be ironic right? Wtf is wrong with powershitters
You say that 99% of people will look worse with excess muscle
I am the 1% that will look like a god.
He doesn’t even have excess muscle, he just got fat and ruined his physique
Hello resolutioner. To create muscle and strength you need to eat at a surplus. This means that you will also gain some fat. Generally people counter-act this by also cutting every now and then. That way they get the both of best worlds. You being afraid of a little fat means that you will peak at the dyel physique on the left. If the guy on the right cut to a good level of leanness he'd look much better, stronger, and bigger.
left only looks good because he looks like a youthful twink
once he hits 30+ he will mog everyone by looking like a strong and powerful dad
great he just has to wait 10 years until he hits his "prime"
he just got fat
don't fall for the powerlifter meme
what bugs me is hes standing far closer to the fricking camera, step back homosexual let us see the actual size with you standing the same difference away
Man he even got a shitty goatee for no reason, his goal really was to get uglier
He went from 10/10 to 4/10. So sad, fatties destroyed another one.
What If I don't care about getting that "fat"
here's what belief looks like
That shit expired 10 years ago
>that image
Truly the duality of IST
It's called bulking. But you don't have to bulk. You can just eat high protein and gain muscle without gaining fat according to new research. This makes sense intuitively from my experience and based on human survival mechanisms. Muscle when it's stimulated will be maintained or grown (adapted) when necessary. Fat is extra. You don't need a huge surplus, you'll end up recomping if you actually are eating in a deficit, gaining muscle and losing fat.
I got plenty strong doing basic barbell exercises regularly. I only looked good when I cut and did cardio. I tried bulking and I got a little stronger, looked a lot worse and eventually got injured. In the gym there are plenty of people much stronger than me and they range from fat to built, but most of them are not that big. These days I'm of the opinion (as someone who kind of has to limit how heavy I go due to past injury) that I should do moderate barbell compounds, hypertrophy machine shit and cardio ensuring I eat a good diet and stay pretty lean. I used to have a squat max of 208kg and do 185kg for reps. I used to alternate leg day A (squats mainly) and leg day B (dead lift mainly). These days I squat 85kg for reps and then hit the leg extension machine. I dead lift 105kg and then hit the leg extension machine, do some extra curls then hit the rowing machine. My previous 1rm dead lift was 247kg. I know, lifting those weights what I looked like and it still wasn't great except when lean.
>you either need to do hypertrophy with child weight or powersharting with high weight
You had a very strong strength base and could've just switched to something more appearance focused instead. Obviously you'd benefit more from doing X reps at Y weight than X reps at Y weight minus 80kg. Why give up that strength? Your story sounds like bullshit.
I fricked my back up three times. Recovery (while bulking fat) and rehabilitation took a long time and while initially I believed gradual progressive overload, perfect form, stretching and accessory work could heal everything good as new after the third time I had to accept capping everything. This basically removed my primary motivation in the gym (adding weight to the bar, pr's etc).
My point relates to OP. I know what I looked like moving those weights around and it wasn't particularly impressive except relatively lean.
You could've just stopped focusing on making strength gains and setting pr's, lowered the weight a bit, and switched to a non-strength focused program.
>I know what I looked like moving those weights around and it wasn't particularly impressive except relatively lean.
Because you were low rep powersharting. Now imagine what you'd look like doing your current thing but with actual weight. Bodybuilders that deadlift 2pl8 and bench less than 2pl8 don't exist for a reason. Acting as if strength is useless when training for appearance is moronic.
At that point in my training I had a whole pretty complex thing going on to break pr's anyway. I'd have a deload week where I'd work up to a 6 rep working weight for one set, the sets building up to that would be 8, 12 or 15 rep sets anyway. I'd focus my accessory work around weak points in the lift in hypertrophy ranges. I'd focus on stretching and foam rolling too. I'd then have a week where I'd attempt to beat my pr. Usually working up with triples and eventually singles. My mentality at the time was basically it all evens out in the end. I never spent long working at 1rm. After hitting the new pr I'd be deloading and back to the grind again building back up to the next attempt, back in the 8-12 rep range anyway, but + 5kg or something.
Usually progressive repetitive shit, like shoulder issues, inflammation that progresses to bursitis. Something dramatic like dropping a plate on your toes, or stuff like muscle fatigue meaning certain groups fail to do their regular job. The first for me was front squats. I didn't feel bad, but I didn't feel good going into the set. I figured it'd be okay. I didn't really think that my spinal erectors were in spasm and failed to fire leaving my spine to take the brunt of the weight.
We've all had injuries where we've been out for a couple of days. I had back problems like unable to get on and off the toilet, wipe my ass, roll over in bed, basically move in any way shape or form without extreme pain which took about two weeks to improve. The pain is awful, depressing and so bad that I literally lose the will to live for a period of time. The idea of being stuck like that is like ... kill me. These days I work carefully up to a limit and it isn't worth going beyond it because it just happens again and again.
>deadlifts 247kg
>needs to deload to 100kg for reps because otherwise his form breaks down and causes injury
No dude, I don't buy it.
You've obviously never had a good old fashioned back tweak. It happens pretty easily if you lift above your body weight and lose your form. My workouts went from 1hr to 2hrs doing the same routine because I wanted to take it slow and methodical instead of tweaking my shit.
How do you morons always "get injured". Literally what are you even doing in the gym? I've been working out for a decade now, and the worst I've ever had is inflammation in my back and shoulder seperate times that took me out of the gym for a couple of days, a week at the worst.And I've lifted in the low rep range for most of that. But somehow all you people are getting crippled just lifting weights. What the frick are you even doing?
his issue wasn't going to the gym, his issue was going in too large of a caloric surplus and bulking too fast
Mark Rippletoad needs to be put on trial at the Hague for what he's done to entire generations of men
Goes to show how important genetics are
bottom left would look pretty good being lean
the others look like gays
it should be basic intuition that gaining fat for any reason if you're not underweight is a bad idea
You're supposed to cut at the end of bulk
Okay so why bulk then? He will look more or less exactly the same when he cuts from current physique to same leanness as the first. Should have just maingained and look good the rest of your life.
My (biologically female) wife said I was most attractive when I was bulking and about 10 lbs overweight. Do with this information what you will.
That’s because she relaxed knowing you can’t pull any hoes
>I made an assumption because I'm an autistic homosexual that doesnt understand people
this website in a nutshell.. Go have a nice day already
he went from yes to no
Little bro thinks left didn't live in the gym to get that "slim, lean" body.
So, how much weight is an ideal bulk (in BW% from a baseline of, say, 12%bf-ish, to account for different-sized people).
What's the ideal calorie surplus? Is ~500-600 too much?
100-200 calories
excess calories just get stored as fat
I get that if you want a slow-and-steady approach, but doesn't gaining a bit of weight (like 10-20lbs, not all-out bloatmaxxing) make you stronger and make it easier to build muscle?
https://bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/calories-for-muscle-gain
you're just going to gain more fat, it doesn't serve much of a purpose going beyond that in a bulk