>These seem like they'll cause shoulder damage.
They don't if you do them right. The issue is that behind the neck press needs a lot more scapular upward rotation strength than front presses, and most people who go straight into these with heavy weight don't have the upward rotation strength, which results in them grinding their shoulders to dust. If you start light and really focus on upwardly rotating your scapula, you won't get any shoulder impingement and you'll get great results. Also make sure your shoulder mobility is good enough, if you can't even get into the right positions then obviously your shoulders will suffer for it >Do they work?
They're much better for side delts, and you can't turn it into a high incline press like a regular OHP, so I'd say they do work
No. The only reason anyone does OHP of any variety is:
https://i.imgur.com/twb2Eq7.jpg
I feel like the strongest man in the world when I do this lift
One of your replies
>These seem like they'll cause shoulder damage.
They don't if you do them right. The issue is that behind the neck press needs a lot more scapular upward rotation strength than front presses, and most people who go straight into these with heavy weight don't have the upward rotation strength, which results in them grinding their shoulders to dust. If you start light and really focus on upwardly rotating your scapula, you won't get any shoulder impingement and you'll get great results. Also make sure your shoulder mobility is good enough, if you can't even get into the right positions then obviously your shoulders will suffer for it >Do they work?
They're much better for side delts, and you can't turn it into a high incline press like a regular OHP, so I'd say they do work
is an example of the copeium given when you point out how damaging and dangerous they are. They shouldn't even be a lift.
>t. jointlet cope >"it's dangerous bro, I won't explain how though, it just is bro"
Yeah, it's dangerous alright. For you. Not for me though so I'll take all of these gains thank you very much
Your own picture shows front delts highlighted, pressing movements primarily target the front delts. You need raise exercises or something else for lateral delts
If you had done these before then you'd know that it's mostly side delt, you barely feel your front delts at all. Which makes sense since the movement is pretty much all shoulder abduction (function of the side delts) as opposed to shoulder flexion (function of the front delts). As for the highlighted muscles they're often somewhat incorrect so that's besides the point
>posts a different lift
The sots press is safer than the seated BTN press due to the squat position.
It doesn't mean that it's not a highly technical exercise that's absolutely pointless unless you're training for Olympic lifting.
Holy shit you're moronic, and I guarantee you've never done a Sots press in your life. A standing or sitting position is by far more advantageous for shoulder mobility than the squatting position.
The ceiling in my basement is too low to do OHP and I know people say seated ones can mess your back up, if i put my bench at a 90° incline to support my back will that get me ~90% of the way there?
based >filters out shoulderlets by injuring them until they're ready >filters out wristlets because the wrist flexion will hurt them >filters out egolifters by not allowing them to load heavy weight >filters wannabe powershitters
>lift heavy weight >hard but not too much struggle >add 2.5s >bar becomes immovable
These are very humbling. Love them. Also I like to do 'em with cleans.
how do i avoid lower back pain when doing ohp?
listen to gain strength you do have to push the envelop a bit to push through
but i feel every session my lowerback hurts more and more
any form tips anons can give me? id switch to seated or smitch machine but i just love free standing ohp so much
Train core, do hyperextensions, roll your back out, do sphinx/cobra/upward facing dog stretch. I recommend also trying to do exercises like Zercher squats/deadlifts and Jefferson curls (with light weights), since that helped me with my lower back issues a bit. Also, stuff like push press and power jerks might help to get you to set your back right in those vertical pressing movements. In the OHP, I also recommend squeezing your buttcheeks together, as this will help get that last rep that you otherwise couldn't.
how would you even set this up with heavy weights?
what a moronic excercise
If standing, just lift it up and get it into position. If sitting, use a rack. Are you mentally challenged or something?
>Train core
i do weighted crunches and ab wheel every 3 days although the ab wheel seems to be too easy now, i have to go buy a hair dryer and heat up the handles so i can make them the harder version (lol.)
i would do hanging leg raises but i use too much momentum
any other core exercises i can fit in? i don't like squatting because my spine feels so painful after no matter how much form help i get
Hanging leg raises are the GOAT for lower core. Try to just do them slowly. Go as high as you can slowly while keeping your legs straight and lower back vertical, and then "cheat" by leaning backwards/bending your knees to get a little higher.
Hanging windshield wipers are also one of the best if you can build up to them (you can do a lying down variant which is pretty good)
Dish holds are also an excellent exercise for the lower core. Make sure you keep your back entirely on the ground (you might have to raise your legs a bit higher until this occurs).
For ab wheel, I assume you do it on your knees, so you can go diagonally to make it a bit more challenging. Besides that, try going as far as you can on your feet to build that up.
What are some good accessory lifts to help with OHP? My shoulder's not great so I'd prefer to avoid any kind of dumbbell press on top of barbell OHP. Do pullups help with OHP?
>everything progresses fine for like two months >reach 1pl8 >start to feel a "click" around halfway through the way up on the lift in my left upper delt near the shoulder socket >got worse over time to the point of pain, had to stop to not snap my shit up >months later it hasn't improved, am stuck doing accessory work for shoulders
Anyone experienced this? I've been doing a shitload of stretches, facepulls, deadhangs (bad idea), rows, etc. to try and unfrick my shoulder but the issue was still apparent a week back when I tried pressing as little as 40kg overhead for a few reps.
take a week or two off and then switch to dumbbell ohp
the same thing happened to me (albeit at 95 lbs), took a week off, switched to dumbbells, and now i can press more than 75lbs each
take a week or two off and then switch to dumbbell ohp
the same thing happened to me (albeit at 95 lbs), took a week off, switched to dumbbells, and now i can press more than 75lbs each
I wonder if it's OHP causing me left shoulder pain. I probably should swap to dumbbell variation.
>mogs you
Sitting variations don't mog anything.
I do them standing, I only posted the seated one because I can't find a good standing image for some reason.
These seem like they'll cause shoulder damage. Explain. Do they work?
>These seem like they'll cause shoulder damage.
They don't if you do them right. The issue is that behind the neck press needs a lot more scapular upward rotation strength than front presses, and most people who go straight into these with heavy weight don't have the upward rotation strength, which results in them grinding their shoulders to dust. If you start light and really focus on upwardly rotating your scapula, you won't get any shoulder impingement and you'll get great results. Also make sure your shoulder mobility is good enough, if you can't even get into the right positions then obviously your shoulders will suffer for it
>Do they work?
They're much better for side delts, and you can't turn it into a high incline press like a regular OHP, so I'd say they do work
Fricking love this on shoulders/chest day. As said just focus on scapula rotation and you’ll be fine
No. The only reason anyone does OHP of any variety is:
One of your replies
is an example of the copeium given when you point out how damaging and dangerous they are. They shouldn't even be a lift.
>The only reason anyone does OHP of any variety is:
I feel like the strongest man in the world when I do this lift (OP)
Explain. Isn't the point of lifting to be able to lift heavy stuff, why would you not train to lift heavy things over your head? That makes no sense.
>t. jointlet cope
>"it's dangerous bro, I won't explain how though, it just is bro"
Yeah, it's dangerous alright. For you. Not for me though so I'll take all of these gains thank you very much
>I am weak as piss and have shit mobility.
>I also refuse to improve either of these things.
make way manlets
is that elon musk? why does he have no dick
99% of people have overdeveloped front delts to begin with so this is useless.
These are more for side delts than front delts, dafaq?
Your own picture shows front delts highlighted, pressing movements primarily target the front delts. You need raise exercises or something else for lateral delts
If you had done these before then you'd know that it's mostly side delt, you barely feel your front delts at all. Which makes sense since the movement is pretty much all shoulder abduction (function of the side delts) as opposed to shoulder flexion (function of the front delts). As for the highlighted muscles they're often somewhat incorrect so that's besides the point
You're completely wrong, all pressing movements target the front delt no matter the position, almost zero side delt activation
>sits down
>behind the neck for extra awkward bar path
beta as frick
how would you even set this up with heavy weights?
what a moronic excercise
someone should post the vid of the guy snapping his arms doing this shit standing lol
Great lift to shoulder dislocatemaxx.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/YjWOY8GNlSA
They seem to be doing okay, but sure, you probably know better.
>posts a different lift
The sots press is safer than the seated BTN press due to the squat position.
It doesn't mean that it's not a highly technical exercise that's absolutely pointless unless you're training for Olympic lifting.
Holy shit you're moronic, and I guarantee you've never done a Sots press in your life. A standing or sitting position is by far more advantageous for shoulder mobility than the squatting position.
Post body
Why?
Fat frick.
1 way ticket to snap city
I would like to do it with dumbells but for some reason I always feel a lot of pain in my left shoulder
But I don't feel any pain with the barbell
The ceiling in my basement is too low to do OHP and I know people say seated ones can mess your back up, if i put my bench at a 90° incline to support my back will that get me ~90% of the way there?
bring your barbell upstairs
do it outside and mog your neighbors
Me too anon. Me too.
That's because if you OHP you are in the top 0.0001% of men, no exceptions.
based
>filters out shoulderlets by injuring them until they're ready
>filters out wristlets because the wrist flexion will hurt them
>filters out egolifters by not allowing them to load heavy weight
>filters wannabe powershitters
Ohp is such a dyel lift. OP probably doesn't even ohp lmao1pl8.
>lift heavy weight
>hard but not too much struggle
>add 2.5s
>bar becomes immovable
These are very humbling. Love them. Also I like to do 'em with cleans.
how do i avoid lower back pain when doing ohp?
listen to gain strength you do have to push the envelop a bit to push through
but i feel every session my lowerback hurts more and more
any form tips anons can give me? id switch to seated or smitch machine but i just love free standing ohp so much
Train core, do hyperextensions, roll your back out, do sphinx/cobra/upward facing dog stretch. I recommend also trying to do exercises like Zercher squats/deadlifts and Jefferson curls (with light weights), since that helped me with my lower back issues a bit. Also, stuff like push press and power jerks might help to get you to set your back right in those vertical pressing movements. In the OHP, I also recommend squeezing your buttcheeks together, as this will help get that last rep that you otherwise couldn't.
If standing, just lift it up and get it into position. If sitting, use a rack. Are you mentally challenged or something?
>Train core
i do weighted crunches and ab wheel every 3 days although the ab wheel seems to be too easy now, i have to go buy a hair dryer and heat up the handles so i can make them the harder version (lol.)
i would do hanging leg raises but i use too much momentum
any other core exercises i can fit in? i don't like squatting because my spine feels so painful after no matter how much form help i get
Hanging leg raises are the GOAT for lower core. Try to just do them slowly. Go as high as you can slowly while keeping your legs straight and lower back vertical, and then "cheat" by leaning backwards/bending your knees to get a little higher.
Hanging windshield wipers are also one of the best if you can build up to them (you can do a lying down variant which is pretty good)
Dish holds are also an excellent exercise for the lower core. Make sure you keep your back entirely on the ground (you might have to raise your legs a bit higher until this occurs).
For ab wheel, I assume you do it on your knees, so you can go diagonally to make it a bit more challenging. Besides that, try going as far as you can on your feet to build that up.
thank you for the advice bro i will take them in
I do support hold leg raises because I love my gymnastic rings :3
Your glutes should be tight / your pelvis should be forward.
Everything from the lower back and below should be tight and not moving.
wear a belt
Only lift I do, on top of calisthenics. It's the one exercise I would always recommend.
It's OHP day today :3
I refuse to have a gf or bf that I can't OHP.
What are some good accessory lifts to help with OHP? My shoulder's not great so I'd prefer to avoid any kind of dumbbell press on top of barbell OHP. Do pullups help with OHP?
side and rear lateral raises
Really? That's great to hear actually. I've really been meaning to find a good place to put lateral raises.
tfw can easily do 60kg OHP for 5+ reps, but can barely do 100kg squat for 3 reps.
>everything progresses fine for like two months
>reach 1pl8
>start to feel a "click" around halfway through the way up on the lift in my left upper delt near the shoulder socket
>got worse over time to the point of pain, had to stop to not snap my shit up
>months later it hasn't improved, am stuck doing accessory work for shoulders
Anyone experienced this? I've been doing a shitload of stretches, facepulls, deadhangs (bad idea), rows, etc. to try and unfrick my shoulder but the issue was still apparent a week back when I tried pressing as little as 40kg overhead for a few reps.
take a week or two off and then switch to dumbbell ohp
the same thing happened to me (albeit at 95 lbs), took a week off, switched to dumbbells, and now i can press more than 75lbs each
I wonder if it's OHP causing me left shoulder pain. I probably should swap to dumbbell variation.
You asking advice on IST?
Ultrasound or MRT
To clean and press is to build a monolith.
Can you even call yourself a man if you can't clean and press the equivalent of your bodyweight?
Take the OHP pill. Getting strong at it will not only transform your physique.
I do 40kg 8 reps. Is that good?
no unless you're a girl or very old
Not bad for a beginner a couple of months in.
I started doing military press instead and easily added 25lbs to it. Why does sitting down make OHP easier??