Also frick you. You reminded me of this really cute and sweet girl who thought boxing had belt rankings and she had that youthful naivete and ditzy personality that drives men wild, and that I'm still khhv and I'll be 23 in a few months
Tae Kwon Do is kicking and a little bit of punching. The only "defense" it ever teaches is "raise your arm to block an incoming strike." HEAVY cardio and REALLY EASY to get a black belt. Your town has at least two Tae Kwon Do schools.
Tang Soo Do is equal punching and kicking and also includes a couple weapons (nunchaku, tsai, tonfa, bo). Offensive-based, but it teaches defense, too. Cardio extreme with lots of personal training.
Muay Thai & Kickboxing are also striking extreme offensive martial arts, but are more sport than self-disciplined training. It's not really about gaining a black belt, but it's probably the best/most hurtful striking you can do when you're good at it. The downside it, when you're good at it, your shins and knees and feet and forearms and forehead and every joint in your body is destroyed nonsense and you'll suffer from age 20 until the rest of your life for choosing to slam your bones into hard surfaces.
There are. of course, many more martial arts, but you're not gonna find schools for them in your American town.
Bjj is good for one on one but useless for more I'd say learn some judo and muay thai since it teaches clinches punches kicks elbows and knees judo teaches takedowns if you can find a decent itf tkd dojo you'll be great they have very powerful kicks
Black belts are only impressive to Americans outside of the United States it's about how long you've practiced not your respective belt mcdojos give out black belts
True, OP if you don't care whether you're learning bullshit or something actually useful just go to some random mcdojo. Or better yet if you just want a black belt buy one on amazon, they can't be that expensive.
Then the black belt will take years it's either easy and you learn jack shit or hard takes years but you become a beast. If the belt is unnecessary and you want to learn to be a bad ass take a boxing or mma class if it's for dick swinging because muh black belt then mcdojo all day if you want both bjj, judo, some tkd and karate classes but only select ones since mcdojo are so common
I didn’t say I wouldn’t mind working hard for the belt.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Bjj is generally over 3 years you can realistically get black belt in tkd and karate much more quickly
1 year ago
Anonymous
And tkd and karate are still useful skills too?
1 year ago
Anonymous
If you find the right school but most these places are glorified day care/mcdojos judo and bjj mean more getting a belt
1 year ago
Anonymous
Depends on the instructors.
If nothing else, most any martial art (Hell, even YOGA) is going to teach you balance and muscle fitness. They generally train your body to keep stamina and train your mind to keep control.
Anyone taking these classes and engage in sparring matches will very quickly come to the conclusion, >"Oh! Fighting hurts! I... I am going to avoid getting into a fight for the rest of my life!"
But the training is good for you.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>>"Oh! Fighting hurts! I... I am going to avoid getting into a fight for the rest of my life!"
Honestly this, people really underestimate how awful fighting can feel once you crank up the intensity, to the point I'm convinced it takes a special breed of psycho to still want to do it. If you actually get injured fighting it's even normal to become scared about the very idea of fights for a while until you fully recover, even when you consciously know you won't be training for that period. It's instinctive, some more empathetic people even feel that if they're the ones to cause the injury.
Once I started fighting for real I understood why in the past every society developed a warrior class that drilled psychopathy into their kids from a young age and why people that could reliably fight were held in such high regard. That shit just isn't for normal people.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Flinching can be a major obstacle too why I've seen some start with slow light spars then move into hard spars so it's not as bad psychologically
1 year ago
Anonymous
Bas's flinch drill helped me immensely when I started out boxing. I now exclusively grapple so it's a different kind of fighting where flinching doesn't really come into as much effect, but it's still great to know even for grapplers.
1 year ago
Anonymous
It's true. Once people start even light sparring they usually quit. Thing is, if you force yourself to spar for awhile you will be mentally tougher than before.
The way I think of it is, if you're gonna die one day, what will this small amount of pain be in the long run? If you have been thinking of fighting sports for a long time, you're just gonna regret it one day if you avoid it because it hurts. You wanna at least try it. It hurts yes , but people have been fighting for centuries and still lived. It's completely possible for anyone with the right motivation to do some fighting sports
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Yeah, fighting damages your body, but what's the downside?
Dude.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Some people don't mind it. They get over that fear
>Thing is, if you force yourself to spar for awhile you will be mentally tougher than before
Only to a certain point, I feel. Once you start to fight and not just spar, in actual competitions it's a whole different vibe, you getting injured isn't just a possibility anymore, it's what the other guy's objective, his goal there. You're face to face with someone who's there for no reason except hurting you. If you're not afraid it's because you're an idiot; the only difference between a good and a bad fighter is then whether or not he can still function even when he's afraid and his instincts are freaking out.
I agree sparring is different than legit competition, but I know that you can overcome that fear of it if you really wanna. It is a shock when you get punches and kicks thrown at you by somebody who really wants to hurt you, but it is a riveting experience that will bring you confidence later in life.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Thing is, if you force yourself to spar for awhile you will be mentally tougher than before
Only to a certain point, I feel. Once you start to fight and not just spar, in actual competitions it's a whole different vibe, you getting injured isn't just a possibility anymore, it's what the other guy's objective, his goal there. You're face to face with someone who's there for no reason except hurting you. If you're not afraid it's because you're an idiot; the only difference between a good and a bad fighter is then whether or not he can still function even when he's afraid and his instincts are freaking out.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Bjj is generally over 3 years
KEK
Anon, in 3 years most people will get their Blue. Black Belts are supposed to be a decade-long journey, if you put in the effort. If you're REALLY FRICKING GOOD then maybe 7 years. But 3? No fricking way.
1 year ago
Anonymous
over 3 years meanwhile other martial arts are less bad wording on it
1 year ago
Anonymous
>3 years xD
1 year ago
Anonymous
I mean it as other martial arts you can get in 3 years but not bjj I had bad wording
Bjj is great for one on one and you can absolutely dominate them but if it's a group fight it's no bueno tkd dependant on which school might be shit at training but if you find a nice itf tkd class you learn takedowns, kicks, joint locks, and punches judo is great for takedowns I took tkd from 7 to 16 in the early 90s then started taking judo and bjj in combination and I fight amateur mma and do really well for myself
BJJ is the goat but it takes over 10 years to get a black belt
Judo is good but very old school bowing and shit
TKD you can pretty much buy a black belt
>TKD
Punch and kick fighting from a standing position. Most people these days recommend muay thai as it spars and gets great results, but if your TKD place spars, it'll cover most of the same ground. Amazing for starting and winning street fights, winning fist fights, and starting 1v1s, but bad for self-defense because any time you could be punching is a time you could be running away.
>BJJ
Ground fighting focused on submissions. They teach you to win fights by either putting someone to sleep with chokes or putting them in positions where you have total control and can snap their limbs, and how to escape when grappled from people trying the above. Absolutely brutal in 1v1s, especially self-defense situations where you don't want to injure the other person (BJJ is about getting control, you don't have to use it to inflict injury once you have it unless you want to), bad in street fights where others might jump in because your head is eminently kickable when you're fighting someone on the ground. Also if you choose it you really want to supplement with striking at some point to get the basics, because it doesn't do any
>Judo
25% BJJ stuff, 65% throws and wrestling stuff designed to force people to the ground from a standing position, and10% non-sparring striking. Bad in 1v1s as you'll get outcompeted by any specialist at their art, but it's a complete art, its good in street fights (throws OP) and it's great for self defense because you have a pinch of everything, have a lot of tools to get away and win, and can adapt to how the fight is going
Only striking art with the traditional belt system worth a damn is full contact Karate, and even then the schools that teach it and are worth the effort are few and far between. If you absolutely want the black belt bragging rights Judo ones are just a matter of time for getting, since a plain black belt there doesn't actually mean much and it's than dans that count. If you want to be a good and versatile striker Muay Thai or any regional variant of western Kickboxing (American, Dutch, French, etc.) will be a great pick, but they don't have belts. I believe Savate (French Kickboxing) has a coloured gloves ranking system, if that counts.
Hey this seems like it would be the thread to ask, how fit should I be before joining a boxing gym? I started working out in January and now I'm able to jog at a 5 mile pace for an hour and do a lot of calisthenics at 240 pounds. Obviously my physique isn't impressive at all but I feel reasonably fit, should I try and do more before I go?
Actually be teachable watch channels like fight tips and Tony Jeffries on YouTube so you can train additionally at home watch boxing matches and learn from it Lomachenko is great technical boxer boxing life does a good breakdown in its video "3 of lomachenkos tricks and techniques"
>Any tips for a beginner?
1. Stop drinking alcohol. Forever.
2. Stop using any tobacco or smoking product.
3. Drink lots of water. So much, every day, your urine is transparent. That means at least a gallon.
4. Get lots of sleep. 8 hours of it. Everyday. And go to bed at the same time.
I'm sure you've heard that advice your entire life, but you know what?
IT'S GOOD ADVICE.
just show up and be ready to leave exhausted, stop wasting time trying to get a good baseline of a kind of endurance you can't really train without doing. They're not gonna throw you into sparring, unless they're a really shitty gym you should walk out of, so you have nothing to worry about except feeling out of shape, which everyone does if they haven't boxed before.
Actually be teachable watch channels like fight tips and Tony Jeffries on YouTube so you can train additionally at home watch boxing matches and learn from it Lomachenko is great technical boxer boxing life does a good breakdown in its video "3 of lomachenkos tricks and techniques"
You can join regardless of your fitness level. Just don't keep entering the doors expecting praise from the instructors; they aren't there to reward you with affection. Expect them to be EXTREMELY taxing on your stamina, every time, and disappointed when you can't keep up. "Getting fit" isn't the same as "being fit."
>Any tips for a beginner?
Invest into at least two good gloves, a 16oz one for bags and mitt works and a 12oz for sparring.
Always make a conscious effort to keep your guard up, even if you think it's good enough it'll start to drop once you get tired, so focus on that.
Power comes from the legs, hips and abs, extending the arms is just a detail. Practice each punch in the mirror without actually taking your hands out of the guard position and just focus on developing the mindfulness of the kinetic chain that starts with kicking the ground and twisting your body all the way up to your shoulders. Then do the same but also extending your elbows. Finally train actually punching.
Never, EVER, think you can tank a punch to trade a strike, that may be a viable winning tactic for certain kinda of fighters, but will frick you up in the long term.
Sparring is for drilling movement, coordination, technique and breathing. If frickheads decide to punch you for real tell them to cut the bullshit. You're training, not fighting. Spar brawling is the best way to get yourself injures for no reason.
You can join regardless of your fitness level. Just don't keep entering the doors expecting praise from the instructors; they aren't there to reward you with affection. Expect them to be EXTREMELY taxing on your stamina, every time, and disappointed when you can't keep up. "Getting fit" isn't the same as "being fit."
just show up and be ready to leave exhausted, stop wasting time trying to get a good baseline of a kind of endurance you can't really train without doing. They're not gonna throw you into sparring, unless they're a really shitty gym you should walk out of, so you have nothing to worry about except feeling out of shape, which everyone does if they haven't boxed before.
The best martial arts don't have belt systems but competitive sport systems. Try sambo, mauy Thai, boxing, wrestling, MMA, or whatever. Bjj is kinda of gay no offense
BJJers are probably the most offensive of all the karate gays with their shitty tattoos, tap out shirts and nonstop bragging.
You post this in every single martial arts thread. Rent free.
literally built for BJJ
kyokushin or you're a homosexual
Full contact karate. Enshin or Ashihara style if you don't care much about collecting kata.
One of those hard-core karate schools.
Also frick you. You reminded me of this really cute and sweet girl who thought boxing had belt rankings and she had that youthful naivete and ditzy personality that drives men wild, and that I'm still khhv and I'll be 23 in a few months
You are young af bro, stop looking back start looking forward.
Tae Kwon Do is kicking and a little bit of punching. The only "defense" it ever teaches is "raise your arm to block an incoming strike." HEAVY cardio and REALLY EASY to get a black belt. Your town has at least two Tae Kwon Do schools.
Tang Soo Do is equal punching and kicking and also includes a couple weapons (nunchaku, tsai, tonfa, bo). Offensive-based, but it teaches defense, too. Cardio extreme with lots of personal training.
Muay Thai & Kickboxing are also striking extreme offensive martial arts, but are more sport than self-disciplined training. It's not really about gaining a black belt, but it's probably the best/most hurtful striking you can do when you're good at it. The downside it, when you're good at it, your shins and knees and feet and forearms and forehead and every joint in your body is destroyed nonsense and you'll suffer from age 20 until the rest of your life for choosing to slam your bones into hard surfaces.
There are. of course, many more martial arts, but you're not gonna find schools for them in your American town.
Farting in a full elevator is the most offensive.
Muay thai or kickboxing but they don't use a belt system
Bjj is good for one on one but useless for more I'd say learn some judo and muay thai since it teaches clinches punches kicks elbows and knees judo teaches takedowns if you can find a decent itf tkd dojo you'll be great they have very powerful kicks
Muay thai has no belts that's why I say judo is necessary
Black belts are only impressive to Americans outside of the United States it's about how long you've practiced not your respective belt mcdojos give out black belts
Boxing and Judo or BJJ will turn you into a beast
homosexual only wants a blafk belt bjj is worst choice for a free belt
True, OP if you don't care whether you're learning bullshit or something actually useful just go to some random mcdojo. Or better yet if you just want a black belt buy one on amazon, they can't be that expensive.
Yeah he could probably also get an honorary black belt for helping a mcdojo so he can be even more of a lazy c**t than he already is
kek I would like to learn how to fight offensively too anon
Then the black belt will take years it's either easy and you learn jack shit or hard takes years but you become a beast. If the belt is unnecessary and you want to learn to be a bad ass take a boxing or mma class if it's for dick swinging because muh black belt then mcdojo all day if you want both bjj, judo, some tkd and karate classes but only select ones since mcdojo are so common
I didn’t say I wouldn’t mind working hard for the belt.
Bjj is generally over 3 years you can realistically get black belt in tkd and karate much more quickly
And tkd and karate are still useful skills too?
If you find the right school but most these places are glorified day care/mcdojos judo and bjj mean more getting a belt
Depends on the instructors.
If nothing else, most any martial art (Hell, even YOGA) is going to teach you balance and muscle fitness. They generally train your body to keep stamina and train your mind to keep control.
Anyone taking these classes and engage in sparring matches will very quickly come to the conclusion,
>"Oh! Fighting hurts! I... I am going to avoid getting into a fight for the rest of my life!"
But the training is good for you.
>>"Oh! Fighting hurts! I... I am going to avoid getting into a fight for the rest of my life!"
Honestly this, people really underestimate how awful fighting can feel once you crank up the intensity, to the point I'm convinced it takes a special breed of psycho to still want to do it. If you actually get injured fighting it's even normal to become scared about the very idea of fights for a while until you fully recover, even when you consciously know you won't be training for that period. It's instinctive, some more empathetic people even feel that if they're the ones to cause the injury.
Once I started fighting for real I understood why in the past every society developed a warrior class that drilled psychopathy into their kids from a young age and why people that could reliably fight were held in such high regard. That shit just isn't for normal people.
Flinching can be a major obstacle too why I've seen some start with slow light spars then move into hard spars so it's not as bad psychologically
Bas's flinch drill helped me immensely when I started out boxing. I now exclusively grapple so it's a different kind of fighting where flinching doesn't really come into as much effect, but it's still great to know even for grapplers.
It's true. Once people start even light sparring they usually quit. Thing is, if you force yourself to spar for awhile you will be mentally tougher than before.
The way I think of it is, if you're gonna die one day, what will this small amount of pain be in the long run? If you have been thinking of fighting sports for a long time, you're just gonna regret it one day if you avoid it because it hurts. You wanna at least try it. It hurts yes , but people have been fighting for centuries and still lived. It's completely possible for anyone with the right motivation to do some fighting sports
>Yeah, fighting damages your body, but what's the downside?
Dude.
Some people don't mind it. They get over that fear
I agree sparring is different than legit competition, but I know that you can overcome that fear of it if you really wanna. It is a shock when you get punches and kicks thrown at you by somebody who really wants to hurt you, but it is a riveting experience that will bring you confidence later in life.
>Thing is, if you force yourself to spar for awhile you will be mentally tougher than before
Only to a certain point, I feel. Once you start to fight and not just spar, in actual competitions it's a whole different vibe, you getting injured isn't just a possibility anymore, it's what the other guy's objective, his goal there. You're face to face with someone who's there for no reason except hurting you. If you're not afraid it's because you're an idiot; the only difference between a good and a bad fighter is then whether or not he can still function even when he's afraid and his instincts are freaking out.
>Bjj is generally over 3 years
KEK
Anon, in 3 years most people will get their Blue. Black Belts are supposed to be a decade-long journey, if you put in the effort. If you're REALLY FRICKING GOOD then maybe 7 years. But 3? No fricking way.
over 3 years meanwhile other martial arts are less bad wording on it
>3 years xD
I mean it as other martial arts you can get in 3 years but not bjj I had bad wording
i heard nog-fu is the most offensive
OP here leaning towards Tae kwon do.
Bjj.
Or Judo as that is what anons recommend.
Red pill me on each please.
Bjj is great for one on one and you can absolutely dominate them but if it's a group fight it's no bueno tkd dependant on which school might be shit at training but if you find a nice itf tkd class you learn takedowns, kicks, joint locks, and punches judo is great for takedowns I took tkd from 7 to 16 in the early 90s then started taking judo and bjj in combination and I fight amateur mma and do really well for myself
Tae Kwon Do = Take my dough
BJJ is the goat but it takes over 10 years to get a black belt
Judo is good but very old school bowing and shit
TKD you can pretty much buy a black belt
>TKD
Punch and kick fighting from a standing position. Most people these days recommend muay thai as it spars and gets great results, but if your TKD place spars, it'll cover most of the same ground. Amazing for starting and winning street fights, winning fist fights, and starting 1v1s, but bad for self-defense because any time you could be punching is a time you could be running away.
>BJJ
Ground fighting focused on submissions. They teach you to win fights by either putting someone to sleep with chokes or putting them in positions where you have total control and can snap their limbs, and how to escape when grappled from people trying the above. Absolutely brutal in 1v1s, especially self-defense situations where you don't want to injure the other person (BJJ is about getting control, you don't have to use it to inflict injury once you have it unless you want to), bad in street fights where others might jump in because your head is eminently kickable when you're fighting someone on the ground. Also if you choose it you really want to supplement with striking at some point to get the basics, because it doesn't do any
>Judo
25% BJJ stuff, 65% throws and wrestling stuff designed to force people to the ground from a standing position, and10% non-sparring striking. Bad in 1v1s as you'll get outcompeted by any specialist at their art, but it's a complete art, its good in street fights (throws OP) and it's great for self defense because you have a pinch of everything, have a lot of tools to get away and win, and can adapt to how the fight is going
Thanks for the detailed post explaining this anon 🙂
Only striking art with the traditional belt system worth a damn is full contact Karate, and even then the schools that teach it and are worth the effort are few and far between. If you absolutely want the black belt bragging rights Judo ones are just a matter of time for getting, since a plain black belt there doesn't actually mean much and it's than dans that count. If you want to be a good and versatile striker Muay Thai or any regional variant of western Kickboxing (American, Dutch, French, etc.) will be a great pick, but they don't have belts. I believe Savate (French Kickboxing) has a coloured gloves ranking system, if that counts.
Just learn boxing and catch wrestling and you're golden.
>most offensive martial art
saying women don’t have penisses, apparently
Hey this seems like it would be the thread to ask, how fit should I be before joining a boxing gym? I started working out in January and now I'm able to jog at a 5 mile pace for an hour and do a lot of calisthenics at 240 pounds. Obviously my physique isn't impressive at all but I feel reasonably fit, should I try and do more before I go?
They'll strength train you and Conditioning too as long as you are in decent shape
Yeah I figured, I know it's dumb but I'm a little nervous about joining one. Any tips for a beginner?
Actually be teachable watch channels like fight tips and Tony Jeffries on YouTube so you can train additionally at home watch boxing matches and learn from it Lomachenko is great technical boxer boxing life does a good breakdown in its video "3 of lomachenkos tricks and techniques"
Use dit da jow or muscle liniment for soreness also cbd oil is good for soreness
>Any tips for a beginner?
1. Stop drinking alcohol. Forever.
2. Stop using any tobacco or smoking product.
3. Drink lots of water. So much, every day, your urine is transparent. That means at least a gallon.
4. Get lots of sleep. 8 hours of it. Everyday. And go to bed at the same time.
I'm sure you've heard that advice your entire life, but you know what?
IT'S GOOD ADVICE.
Thank you guys
>Any tips for a beginner?
Invest into at least two good gloves, a 16oz one for bags and mitt works and a 12oz for sparring.
Always make a conscious effort to keep your guard up, even if you think it's good enough it'll start to drop once you get tired, so focus on that.
Power comes from the legs, hips and abs, extending the arms is just a detail. Practice each punch in the mirror without actually taking your hands out of the guard position and just focus on developing the mindfulness of the kinetic chain that starts with kicking the ground and twisting your body all the way up to your shoulders. Then do the same but also extending your elbows. Finally train actually punching.
Never, EVER, think you can tank a punch to trade a strike, that may be a viable winning tactic for certain kinda of fighters, but will frick you up in the long term.
Sparring is for drilling movement, coordination, technique and breathing. If frickheads decide to punch you for real tell them to cut the bullshit. You're training, not fighting. Spar brawling is the best way to get yourself injures for no reason.
Roadwork. Every day is running day.
>12oz for sparring.
What shitty boxing gym do you go to that allows 12 oz gloves for sparring? That's a major red flag.
One that doesn't want people breaking their hands with lighter gloves nor getting too trigger happy with heavier ones?
You can join regardless of your fitness level. Just don't keep entering the doors expecting praise from the instructors; they aren't there to reward you with affection. Expect them to be EXTREMELY taxing on your stamina, every time, and disappointed when you can't keep up. "Getting fit" isn't the same as "being fit."
just show up and be ready to leave exhausted, stop wasting time trying to get a good baseline of a kind of endurance you can't really train without doing. They're not gonna throw you into sparring, unless they're a really shitty gym you should walk out of, so you have nothing to worry about except feeling out of shape, which everyone does if they haven't boxed before.
The best martial arts don't have belt systems but competitive sport systems. Try sambo, mauy Thai, boxing, wrestling, MMA, or whatever. Bjj is kinda of gay no offense