I did combat sports before and want to get back to them while still going to the gym without losing gains and progressing in muscle growth. My options are:
-Kickboxing
-MMA
-Boxing
What should I choose?
I want to start a combat sport white going to the gym but prioritize muscle growth
How do you lose gains and progress if you still go to the gym at least in maintenance amounts? Just eat more and you're fine I guess.
Judo
Sumo
Incredibly based.
As an added bonus there are no wrislets or handlets in sumo because they slap their hands against a wooden pole and grapple daily so they develop big meaty man hands and thick wrists. They also rarely do cardio which is also a bonus.
holy frick that dudes warrior mode
Chiyonofuji is his name. He's famous for his training and muscles. People called him the wolf.
He had that old timey sumo physique but upgraded with better training methods and diet and also possibly roids.
MMA is your only option if you care about being a body builder. Body builders can crotch sniff but that stiff big for nothing build will get you exposed in boxing. Ask Anthony Joshua what body building did for him against a middleweight.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/KZrqafnzl5A
Isn't MMA the most energy demanding? That would mean a lot of calories that are not going to muscle growth, isn't it?
I think boxing is the least demanding in cardio than the others. But I would miss kicking
I would try to go 2 or 3 times while still going to the gym the same day
>That would mean a lot of calories that are not going to muscle growth, isn't it?
So eat more?
>I think boxing is the least demanding in cardio than the others
You're fricking insane if you think this. If you've trained for boxing 90% of it is cardio followed by more cardio with a but of cardio to end the session
I know, but compared to kickboxing and MMA
It's easy to tell by "training" martial arts before you went to a McDojo and did some Zumba fitness if this is your honest perception of martial arts training.
I did 7 years of taekwondo, 1 of boxing and 1 of northern kung fu, "training" is becouse I'm not a native english speaker. I'm just searching the right choice for my actual case of muscle growth search
>Taekwondo
Thanks for letting me know you only have trained in a McDojo.
>did 7 years of taekwondo, 1 of boxing and 1 of northern kung fu
>taekwondo
>kung fu
literally just dancing for easterners. Hard to believe you did a year of boxing and then went to kung fu
It really depends on the kung fu school, it was really towards "sanda" which I liked becouse I could use taekwondo kicks and boxing hands. There are many types and schools of kungfu.
It's amazing how kung fu stops being shit the second it becomes kickboxing
So you've done 1 yeara of marrial arts training.
All of them need so much cardio that it'll interfere with gains. Kickboxing would be the least intrusive if you're doing it for fun. If you're looking to eventually get paid then boxing is a better choice.
Getting to marry an azn qt3.14 is another bonus.
Depends on how seriously you want to take both sports. Going to a martial arts class one or two times a week shouldn't ruin your lifting routine, but you're probably not going to be a pro fighter or a pro lifter/bodybuilder if you do both.
Obviously none of us will end up getting paid to fight, so all of us are going to eventually reach a ceiling.
it will be hard because after a few weeks, you're body will need days off, and you'll have to choose between lifting and sport
Muay Thai mogs them all
If you eat on a surplus and lift weights you will still gain muscle.
To gain muscle useable for combat sports just lift explosively either by doing slow eccentrics and fast concentrics or explosive lifts like oly lifts or weighted plyometrics.
You want to do submaximal volume with submaximal weight to minimize fatigue and prioritize skill training, this will obviously make progress slower but over time you will build more muscle, just slower than with a hypertrophy routine obviously.
Lifting will be the least of a detriment in jiujitsu.
Grappling like mma may wear on your shoulder and knee joints more than striking would. God forbid you snap something while under the bar. If you want to keep your gains and get more then you’ll probably just need to do 2-3 times a week of combat sports with your lifting routine. It’s great cardio and will def help shed some flub but you’ll need to eat more and absolutely be on a stretching routine. You’ll be more sore than you’ve felt in a long time all the time.
As long as you're eating enough food/protein and are lifting alongside your training there's no issue. There's debate about whether lifting before or after is better, but generally the one you do first is the one you are prioritizing.
Each COULD be good, but I'd do something that is more working on form and less on cardio, so you aren't burning TOO much of your calories away and fatiguing your muscles as much between lifting sessions. Boxing tends to be lots of cardio, and isn't really even the best for striking IMO. Kickboxing/muay thai is similar, but I think you can find a class that's more on light sparring and less on cardio bag work, which I think is better for your fighting capacity anyways. Tradional thai sparring is playful anyways, so you can practice and perfect your form in a fight scenario without learning bad habits by going all out with spazzy "out-muscle" movements. Wrestling/judo/jiujitsu is very technique based, but the live rounds are INCREDIBLY taxing and will make you sore as shit and very tired. MMA can go either way, might be more slow technique with a few live rounds, or it could be super intense and cardio heavy, really depends on the gym.
TLDR: Don't skip lifting and do it before practice ideally, try Muay thai/kickboxing or MMA gyms and see if their classes will make you sore as shit and unable to lift effectively, or more light sparring so you can learn technique without too much tax on your body. If the classes are all bag work and cardio, I'd stay away. Not just because it'll hurt your lifts, but also because gyms that don't spar a lot ain't shit.
How much have you actually gained? Unless you are already amateur bodybuilder status or equivalent I'm not sure you stand to lose much. Since you clearly believe the muh cardio kills gains nonsense then none of those 3 are going to be worth your time from your limited perspective since they are all going to exert your cardiovascular system. If you can forget that programming then MMA should probably be your top pick, it is the one most fatties go for because of its incredibly liberal weight classing. As someone who has done all 3 I would recommend kickboxing, it is probably the most physically demanding of the 3 and since you are looking for more fitness application it just makes sense to me. Boxing is also excellent but you will be doing tons of cardio if you ever want to have a shot in hell of being decent at it.
Where do you live that you have a kickboxing, mma, and boxing gym and that the quality of any of them isn't much better at one than the other? Just practice the other shit at home that the good gym doesn't have.
Most big cities in the States have plenty of options within 30m of home/work. I live in California which is a fricking mecca for martial arts, especially jiujitsu and MMA
I've been doing judo for a few years and started Muay Thai recently and I feel this is an excellent combination. Genuinely think this is the best comb for self defense.
I care mainly about self defense and bjj looks fun but looks like it puts you in a vulnerable position.
Both judo and muay thai are hard sports really hard on the body really hard mentally to get through the training.
Takes a good while to get good at judo though.