but this country is a dead shithole anyway we are probably worse off than argentina and even brazil
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I wish we had walkable cities so fat people would be rare
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Move to New England.
yeah I would wanna move from chicago to new england
Is this sarcasm? I'd genuinely rather be almost anywhere in the US besides Chicago.
He said from not to
I'm gonna guess you've never been to Chicago.
I have. Its cold and full of blacks
Chicago sucks dick. People around the philly/baltimore/NJ/DC area are also highly insufferable, similar the Chitown. They have marginally better public transport but that's about it, coupled with stupid costs of living and pretentious asshats everywhere. Everywhere with actually good urban planning save maybe Miami is plagued with west coast hippies or spoiled deadbeat snobs. Live near a college town.
I like Chicago because it feels like an actual City but yeah if you don't like City stuff just hang out in a college town they tend to also be upper middle class and expensive because obviously but you got the cute young girls you've got the quirky little shit you can walk to and you don't have any of the blacks or the drug addicts.
>local man realizes that societies are complicated and there is no such thing as a perfect city or community because every place has its own problems
Don't do it. New England sucks compared to Chicago.
Yeah, the cities are walkable, because there's no other way to traverse them: the public transportation sucks, and the traffic is blocked all the time.
Shut up anon. Keep up the facade that Chicago is a crime ridden shithole. I like my rent being half what it would be in NY or LA for triple the space and in a prime downtown location.
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See how Hammond, IN is doing in the next year or so. Downtown is going walkable, South Shore interurban rail extension line and everything!
nta but i lived in NE and it's the same way there, unless you're rich enough to live in real downtown Boston or Providence
Every suburb from cambridge to lexington/concord is also walkable.
>rich enough to live in real downtown Boston
You mean "dumb enough" to live downtown Boston, right? No same person would live in that shithole.
I want to move to Boston. The west coast is overrated.
My brother in Christ there is clearly endless green space in that picture. If you weren't so autistic you'd realize they wouldn't have raised protests if your ridiculous world view made any sense. Given they were upset, they evidently did go outside. Funny thing is, the people who protested the least? Those idiots live in small ass apartments. They're the antisocial ones.
roads are pedestrian barriers, so what you see in that picture is a lot of green space that is divided up into thousands of tiny slices. and half of those slices are gated communities that will call the cops on your ass if they see you loitering.
>let me tell you about your country
Every day you American obsessed foreigners make shit up.
i was born in america, have lived in america my entire life, and have formally studied urban planning
And I'm Dolly Parton.
i have no reason to doubt you, ma'am. so why do you doubt me?
Aw thank you sugar. You're just the sweetest thang.
>hell yeah bros i got the last word
Right back at you.
'my brother in christ' automatically makes this meme R*ddit tier and therefore extremely gay. Im sorry for your lots
Boomers did not invent suburbia maskcuck. They had more sense complaining about all the shit social mandates and they were the ones dying from it.
>you made the zoning laws
are people actually this disconnected with how generations work. the entire boomer generation isn't your uncle who works for the city
That picture of Houston is easily thirty years old and it looks nothing like that these days. Currently it has lots of public transit plus walking and biking options.
i dunno man i was in downtown Houston like five years ago and the main thing i remembered was how many city blocks were dedicated to parking lots
Houston is a shit hole and full of blacks that sprawls about a hundred miles in ever I think most of the rapid anti-european posters are probably from Houston and thereabouts and so they get really really afraid when you question their Ford F3 50 or a 12 lane highway flanked by Costco's as far as the eye can see.
>@cars.destroyed.our.cities
Blacks destroyed our cities. The cars were just introduced as a solution to that problem. It's either carparks everywhere or TND. Choose.
what kind of strong man blames every single problem on black people? cringe
The problem with taking this tack is that I'm not black, so being told something doesn't make me sound big and tough doesn't make me freak out.
i'm not the one here who's afwaid of the scawy bwack people
>all the work was outsourced
>Walmart bought all the land
>Walmart sells everything that was previously insourced
You can blame Nixon if you want dumbass. But blame the GI bill and taking us off the gold standard too.
Is that supposed to prove subdivisions are bad? I don't want a fricking corner store in the middle of neighborhood.
Black person
Looks crowded.
its comfy
t. american but spent a month in europe
I'd love some sort of coffee shop or something in my neighborhood I could walk/bike to.
Make your own coffee and invite a neighbor over. Problem solved in a better way.
A lot of this isn't even racial hatred the way we reduce it to for comedic effect. It really is that as Americans especially outside of your local area, you don't have jack shit in common with each other. You can either be a novelty like oh I'm in the military and I got stationed up here, or you just talk about I don't know a TV show that is popular and there's memes about it on Instagram. A lot of how you relate to people was previously through subcultures and shared media. Maybe you're both metalheads or you guys are into hipster shit like craft beer or guns or cars or video games but if that's it you guys probably aren't talking in real life so people just have a hard time and walk on eggshells in case the person they're talking to is a troony or part of some butthurt online community that's going to explode on them if they criticize their hyperfixation. There's no cultural touchstones is what I'm getting at.
There's like a couple of approved topics and everyone is very standoffish with each other and I think I see it more with young people. They feel observed all the time through social media and smartphones and stuff so they never really feel unmonitored. Their standard operating space when they think of doing something is a place that has a moderator and a chat log and you've got people in their 20s worried about quote unquote getting in trouble like seriously? People also underwent political and economic terrorism for like a good decade at this point because the system got sort of shaky and wanted to slap the more uppity elements back into place so young people feel really easily thrown in a dungeon and forgotten about, really easily replaced and not confident in themselves let alone in their fellows so no one has any friends they really trust.
And to be honest with you I think the atomization in America is worse than an actual dictatorship like stalinist Russia or North Korea or whatever because people have cultural touchstones and traditions outside of the political structure bearing down on them here you just have jokes about credit card debt and spending too much money on Amazon plus all of the weird political stuff making people all think and act the same way while also being very mistrustful of one another and divided.
This spawned a lot of the really cringe awkward millennial "erm, well so that just happened..." humor, where it's like the person isn't funny they're acting like they have a camera rolling because of their lived experiences primarily through media not real life or firsthand interaction with reality
Like if you've ever seen clips of The Big Bang Theory without the laugh track it's the most unpleasant uncomfortable thing ever but everybody for years and years was obsessed with this and it informed a lot of cultural references for its time.
Zoomers are aggressively depoliticized and have that sort of ironic acceptance of their fate economically and culturally so they carved out more of a humor and more cultural references through Corporate social media platform friendly memes but it doesn't translate into real life Zoomers in real life are just as awkward and dead as millennials the only difference is the Zoomers don't pretend to be happy
But yeah that's why there's no 'eine Hand wäscht die andere', here.
Good posts. Do you think there was a single defining point that led us down this path towards atomization, or is it just a ball that has been always rolling, and frequently accelerated?
I don't think anyone is actually going to read this essay in earnest, but just skimming it, it seems to be highly unfocused on the topic at hand, making large assumptions about outgroups you don't belong to, and basically advocating for national socialism.
In part of it you're insinuating North Koreans have superior lifestyles to the US because you don't like the Big Bang theory which has lead you to extrapolate far reaching assumptions with a strange degree of confidence about the average American's sense of belonging despite the fact you don't actually know how the average American's day to day is. This is psychotic stuff. You probably should speak to a doctor. I'm not very confident a professional from your home country would think you are of healthy mind.
no wonder americans don't have culture
Why would you build a coffee shop in the middle of an area where people have kitchens in which they can make their own coffee faster and cheaper?
because people like to meet
We have house parties, potlucks, and BBQs in the US my guy. This is typical for neighborhood life, but apartments, not so much.
Great now what about the other 360 days of the year
He only wants an extreme minority of White people to be socialized. Sorry. We deserve to be genocided.
Wtf is this silly liberal moment? Mexicans are out way more than the whites. I live in a white minority town of 110k
Come over to watch the game, come over to play cards and drink. Honestly it's a bit insane you think Americans literally do nothing but sit inside alone. In what world is that believable? A world you invented to cope with something? You should leave average joe Americans out of your issues, we really have nothing to do with them.
Then drive for 5 minutes out of the neighborhood to the coffee shop? America obviously has coffee shops that suburban people can access you silly head.
driving sucks and if you dont understand that then I feel sorry for you.
The ideal situation are small towns, they are everywhere in older cities especially in the north east. You still get your homes, yards, etc. but can walk and bike to a coffee shop, grocery store, bar, and restaurants.
We have those in the US tho
That all sounds great for a gender studies student. But for a family that is pretty worthless.
why don't you let the free market decide homosexual? If people don't like the coffee shop it will go out of business.
Again blaming government but not capitalism like you pretend. And no one is going to defend Home Owners Associations so we can agree there.
NE is fricked too depending on where you're looking. Northern NE (VT, ME, NH) is rural + towns. You live in the woods, drive to a town, and are able to get where you need in town because it's small and walkable, but only because it's so fricking small. The rest is rural. No real urban planning, just low populations enabling our lifestyle. That said I think rural + small towns is a great lifestyle depending on your career. The problem is it doesn't last. Places like Portland, Lebabon/Hanover/WRJ, and Manchester are starting to get congested due to the non existent transit and need to drive in. In a few years you'll sit in traffic like an butthole there same as in DC/NOVA or NYC.
Boston, DC, and NYC are the most "walkable" cities in the US. NYC's transit is dirty Black person infested shit but there is a bus or subway or train literally everywhere, and you can get in from NY or NJ or even PA on pure transit. Boston is the most European of the US's cities and is the safest to bike in in the northeast. DC is very interesting right now. It's made massive improvements to bike and train infrastructure, and gentrification has driven blacks further and further east and north out of the city--google "racial map DC changes" and you can see the clean up operation in action. It's heading in a good direction. Crime spiked post COVID but that's literally all southeast outside the actual city, right where the blacks ended up getting pushed out to.
>brazilians are poor
>billions must drive
if only it was as easy as asking for $1 from every person you encounter and actually getting it
I CANT SPEED
>I wish we had walkable cities
shut up libtard, trump won
>more fat people
>your shitty physique looks better in comparison
is op moronic?
the obesity epidemic affects mostly women. I don't need my physique to look better than women's physiques, I just need them to not look like pic-related
I thought americans loved the free market, how come they support the most stupid government enforced zoning laws? They can't even open a small grocery store on "their" property lol
america is as free as china man
>free market
Dont let the naming fool you. The free market isn't free, just like the federal reserve isn't federal or public.
America does not and has never had anything resembling a “free market.”
Free market is a myth. Nobody elected for or chose this, it was all top down.
>government spending, pedestrian transit
Stupid libshits wasting money
>insane government spending, highway
Yaas queen slay please gib me more lanes
Transit just introduces Black folk and other undesirables into otherwise white dominated areas.
well i guess you better hope your latest bullshit finance bro NFT landlord scam works out so that you stay rich enough to avoid those undesirables anon
I own my home, I'm not poor
dont forget to pay property tax to your landlord. You wouldnt want to lose your property
As opposed to what? Your le epic win "walkable" cities where I live among hostile welfare Black folk and pay astronomical rent prices for an apartment that I can be evicted from at anytime?
What are you even arguing for?
I paid for my home in cash, no mortgage.
>What are you even arguing for?
Since it went over your head: you don't own a goddamn thing.
But you keep telling yourself that, "home owner".
I realize that dipshit. I know I have to pay property taxes. You're arguing a point I wasn't even making. I don't want to live around Black folk, simple as.
Short of living innawoods, you'll never really own your own property anyway.
>I paid for my home in cash, no mortgage.
keep larping elonbro
Family wealth brother.
My folks pitched in to help me buy my home.
your bank owns your home
That’s pretty much exactly why Georgetown elected to not have a DC metro stop, despite being an obvious place for a metro stop. It basically worked, minus a few motivated panhandlers.
Even if someone doesn't know the history of capitalism, the last few years showed that pure capitalism is just as much of a meme as pure communism. Just different target demographic (rainbow haired libs on one side, pasty white incels and boomers on the other side).
>increasing government intervention in markets shows captialism is a meme
What did he mean by this?
>pure capitalism
Except we haven’t ever had that especially for the past 90 years and no elected official has campaigned to rip up all the roads. Leftists proclaim rightists non-adherence to their built up straw man as hypocrisy so often.
>last few years
>pure capitalism
you couldn't pick a worse set of years to make that claim tbqh
but that's mostly been true for the past 100 years. every year is last capitalist than the last
It's all a larp. Boomers are fine with government control so long as it benefits them, be it subsidies, tax incentives, zoning, etc cetera. A lot of the sunbelt's development is from military investment.
And this is the only correct answer. Boomers love zoning because it means there house goes up in value, then they go to the bank, do a cash-out refinance, and buy either another house or a something like an RV or a boat they use once a year.
>free market,
they literally have a parking law that obliterated their cities due to central planning
they have a israelite epidemic of the worst class
classic capitalist bootlicker statement. blame "the israelites" as a vague proxy for your valid criticisms against the free market itself, so that you're not perceived as criticizing a broken system that you still hope to benefit from someday. you're not mad at israelites, you're mad at all of the wealth class that already beat the game and is competing against your level 1 character while they're playing with maxed-out armor and weapons.
>all these non Americans replying
be less obvious next time
yes I should also be able to open a brazilian cowhide rendering factory in my backyard and boil barrels of blood every day.
so we have to redesign our cities so people won't be as fat? I would bet my life fat people would still be fat as frick and not walk. there would probably be a small number that would improve health but the lazy and obese would stay that way.
>he complains about america
>he doesn't realise it's even worse everywhere else in the world
op is complaining about the patches of yellow grass in his yard when everywhere else has dirt
i used to think that before visiting japan and the netherlands
The Dutch are getting ready to eat their Prime Minister again. Amsterdam isn't the whole country.
Wait I forgot they just had an election.
I don't live there.
ask me how i know you’ve never visited any european or japanese city
you gotta remember most americans make abbos look like einstein or tesla
>he thinks einstein was a smart guy
I'll give Tesla the benefit of the doubt, but Einstein? lol
I just picked a random scientist i should have picked newton
you have never studied any physics beyond newtonian mechanics ( if that), this contrarian einstein hate is so idiotic. sure in the grand scheme of things he's 'overrated' ( he doesn't stand out as THE genius among geniuses) but to call him dumb is funny
>to call him dumb is funny
his own classmates did it. there's a whole story behind him that you won't get from mainstream media.
But you do you and keep talking shit about americans when you don't know real history to begin with.
I'm not talking shit about americans. america has produced some great scientists and artists, but unironically calling einstein dumb may be the most idiotically contratian thing I've read on here. he was a absent-minded dreamer in his youth yes, and he was a late-bloomer ( cognitive development is notoriously disharmonic during childhood and teenage years) but to base your judgement of his intelligence on some childhood anecdote and not his many revolutionary accomplishements is very very strange
>His classmates made fun of him, so that negates all of his research.
It wasn't his. Else he wouldnt have had a reputation for being dumb.
Much of it was. Actually spend the time studying this shit (not your gay little identity politics but the actual physics and math) before you make these claims.
>another episode of /misc/chud getting btfo
kek, love to see it
he came up with a lot of stuff that still holds true, no matter how you look at it
>the richest country not just in the world but possibly all of history
>getting btfo'd by the fricking ducth
it just makes me sad because I know we could do better
>t. No passport
Growing up I used to think the same as you. I was taught that everyone outside of America lives in mudhuts, so we should be more appreciative of what we have.
I visited Bolivia and Chile with my Bolivian gf, and for being a "3rd world country" it was beautiful and it had:
>better education
>better housing
>everyone's good looking
>clean food
The fricking boomers, and israelites ruined North America and are too scared to admit it.
Maybe it used to be a beautiful country, but we've absolutely raped it
And for what?
And here we see non-Americans making up lies because they are low testosterone and unable to fight their battles by expressing themselves honestly.
Only Americans do that
Or even think that way
It's because we know our "developed nation" is dogshit, but deep down that fact scares us so we project
I'm white
I wish your mom was walkable
UK has “le walkable” cities and its full of fatties. But urban design and moronic zoning policies can create “food deserts” in poor areas.
Sorry but Black folk mean drained pool politics.
This is basically it.
All the smart-ass anons talking about Euro and Japanese cities with great urban planning don’t realize those places aren’t full of sub-saharans. Everyone in the US is so extremely (and understandably) racist that we invented suburbs just to get away from them.
Multiply your retirement money by 5 and see if you can live your laters years here. South is better... Center br is full of Black folk, crime and more Black folk.
Northwest doesn't even have water. There a subset of human development where they hide behind bushes in the hopes that the mosquitoes that cary the Dengue desease will fly by, so they can follow the mosquitoes to find water sources . It is all over the news. Absurd what humans are subjected
Cities are walkable, you fricking Black person.
Want to go somewhere? Just fricking walk!
>Cities are walkable, you fricking Black person.
>Want to go somewhere? Just fricking walk!
I like this anons attitude, but as a Swede who visited a friend in Atlanta for 1 month, I got to say its one of the most unwalkable cities ive ever visited. Probably the most unwalkable.
Its very different from other countries in the EU. Im split in the question , because on the one hand i love driving and cities here frick up your driving experience a lot. It sucks. But on the other hand, driving shouldnt be the only way to get around, with mega highways etc.
The answer is somewhere in between.
FYI OP is a bot that posts the same thread 5+ times a day on IST
Newsflash there's plenty of "Walkable cities." They're all shitholes and they're all full of obese Black folk. I'd rather be an adult with freedom of movement.
Is Tacoma shit now?
Tacoma Washington? LOL yes it's a total shithole. I actually didn't even know it was considered le walkable city.
Walkable cities just means you live in an apartment instead of a free standing house
No thanks
That's not what it means but okay. Keep coping
Which do you prefer?
Euro cities are better by and large. Even the smallest shitholes have a bus or metro you can easily access.
>inb4 American claims this means no one has cars or lives in houses
WE CAN'T HAVE BUSES BECAUSE WE HAVE Black folk (that we imported, enslaved, freed, demoralised and got hooked on crack) SO THERE
yeah?
>too
Euro cities are better because of demographics, and because you lack good suburbs so the successful people who would have fled to the suburbs are instead trapped in the city.
Honestly, some EU counties are heading to more of that suburb and car culture shit, like in Scandinavian states, but it's not common knowledge right now.
>European cities get culturally enriched
>Europeans start to live in the suburbs and adopt car culture like Americans
hmmm really makes you think!
It's not really a big mystery that people would and do consider public transport pretty fairly but if you don't enforce a common code of conduct or even undermine it by importing smelly third worlders that shout through the tram and litter everywhere people will lean more into cars even for a route that is covered by public transport.
Not to mention that the planning, staffing, timetables and general upkeep for these systems is quite tricky and they don't magically power themselves or integrate into the existing road flow either.
But these 15-minute morons are never actually interested in a well-meaning discussion of tradeoffs or aesthetics, they just basedface over 3d renders and nicely taken photos and think that randomly inserting a tram or traffic slowing will turn a shithole into some nice looking continental city.
It's also usually American or Canadian liberal types that use this as a cover to hate the "dumb flyover" people in a new way and maybe some European weirdos who enjoy the dicksucking they get from them.
the people I know that are fans of public transport and walkable cities just hate driving lol
Dear god no, please no. Not the fricking car culture in europe.
If i ever encounter a wish granting lamp i will wish car culture is gots looked down and abolished, all car companies with planned obsolescence get bombarded and then wish humans average IQ rise 20 points so no idiot thinks about car culture again. Fricking burger people i swear
This is what getting cut off by one too many Civics does to a person.
>The poorest American can still afford a car while the richest European takes a bus that smells like piss and shit
No one here wants what you think we need, homosexual.
This. Non-Americans need to realize they are the ones getting uppity at us, not the other way around. Also I highly doubt they're even European. Probably some shorties from Asia or Latin America.
i mean i'm an american and i hate being tethered to my car. the only reason american public transit is shitty and unsafe is because we focus our attention and resources on maintaining car and airplane infrastructure instead.
I think a core difference between you and Americans is Americans don't feel the need to lie about who they are online. You know, because they aren't effeminate like you. Men typically fight head on rather than use misdirection.
>Men typically fight head on rather than use misdirection
he said emphatically, on an anonymous internet forum
sorry, i really am an american, it's just that i question the worth of our broken consumerist car culture instead of blindly chanting USA USA USA like a moron.
You seem to be jealous of USA USA USA, that much is obvious.
bro we literally split off from britain in 1776 because we questioned their cultural systems and rules of governance. it's a traditional american value to question authority, yet here you are licking henry ford's corporate boots and telling your own countrymen to stop asking questions. if anyone's doing a bad job of acting like an american, it's you.
I'm questioning you right now you double manlet.
>so let’s return to those traditions
No. Leave me out of it. Population decrease with solve a lot of of existing problems. (The new ones will be worse)
It shouldn't come as a surprise on a site mentally deficient social rejects flock to, but it does amaze me the degree to which fools can be so steadfast in their convictions and incapable of seeing a perspective outside of their own that for someone to disagree is not actually possible
holy esl
You know uncommon words don't make you sound smart, right? And before you say anything, yes everyone knows what they mean, you're just cringe.
Read a book sometime, moron
Is that supposed to prove something? lol
>mentally deficient social rejects
perfectly describes your typical "ugh.. USA is so awful. Did you know that in Europe..."
What works for Japan or pre-immigrant Europe would not work here. That is clear and obvious. I could see that even when I was there.
Your ideas are shitty and hardpeddled by international NGOs which means they are not to be trusted. I do not wish to be part of your social engineering nor do i wish to pay for it.
Rural America pref.
How is Rural America different from Rural Europe? Also Rural England >>>>
Europeans are buttholes (see GER). Rural Americans are kind af.
Hmm. Maybe I should take a few months to backpack around Yurop.
Wherever you aren't, homosexual
>dystopian block housing
iktf. At least there's a nice park nearby for running in.
top easily
which one has no Black folk?
frfr
The American one should be 60% parking lot
>he thinks golf courses pay for city water
i have a job that requires me to walk all day along with lifting heavy loads and i'm still a fatass. diet matters far more than just moving.
>I wish we had walkable cities so fat people would be rare
europoor here. It definitely has more to do with diet than just "walkable cities" imo. If I recall correctly, the fatass epidemic in america started around the 80s-90s ? For sure in the 90s anyway. People have been driving in America for a long time, and the same roads and structures with these roads come from the 50s and 60s for the mostpart - I would assume.
I dont think it was driving that made everyone fat in the US. I believe it has to do with diet, and during the 80s and 90s most likely there was a paradigm shift, and companies like Coca cola started using this high fructose corn syrup shit. This is just one example of the garbage they put in "food" today. Definitely there are other culprits. Also another cultural thing ive noticed is that regular americans really buy a lot of crap that isnt food. Just a bunch of candy, snacks, sodas, etc.
To be fair though, we do walk or bike a lot more in europe. Unfortunately due to the wrong reasons most of the time, and not due to health benefits. (poverty, climate scam, etc)
TL;DR - lots of bad diets in America vs Europe although the bad diets are spreading in Germany and other places too.
Walkable cities sound great until you remember Black folk exist
And who drives cars? Black folk, women, Mexicans, Poos, Redskins, all too obese and drunk and high to drive safely
So your options are;
>Drive with Black folk on the road
>Walk with Black folk on the streets
Hmmmm...
AYO We'z be joining yo Waukaboo city'z n shiee. Fuk u gon do?
wypipo BTFO
Open Carry, Open Season on Black folk.
we do have walkable cities. We just have too many fat people who think a mile is unwalkable.
What major city isn’t walkable?
The big 3 certainly are. Maybe they mean Houston or some shit? Idk never been there
see
the average American can't walk 3 blocks
Name one US city you cant walk around in.
I live in New England so I piss in this artist's mouth daily
I know how you feel. But the only way we could ever have walkable cities in this country is the full removal of all nonwhites.
I don’t live in a walkable city and I am not fat. Wtf is everyone else’s problem?
What city
I live in a pod and eat micro plastic and slave away 10 hours a day including commute breathing car exhaust.
Why such long hours sir?
commute + "breaks" + preparing before and after work
Frick off commie europoor
What does unwalkable city mean? Is it dangerous, no sidewalks, or something else? I'm a Greek anon, never been to America. Excuse my ignorance.
To my understanding, due to poor city planning and inefficient public transport, it's not viable to go anywhere outside of using a personal vehicle.
In tokyo I can get from pretty much any point A to any point B in around an hour using some combination of walking and trains or buses.
I agree with pretty much everything about how inefficient, soulless, bad for kids etc modern suburbia is, but very few people making these points want to discuss WHY this happened. They'll just say shit like "car industry propaganda" which is pretty fricking stupid when you think about it, as if it could possibly be the sole reason for such a drastic shift in the nature of cities, across an entire continent, over the course of an entire century, or they'll say "zoning laws" which is just putting the cart before the horse. There's a reason middle/upper-middle class people don't want to live in dense cities and it's not because the TV told them.
White flight, quality of living, and the economic means to frick off and still live comfortably. Pretty straightforward. Rich areas in cities are on the outskirts because the center is all business and anywhere near it is too busy and dirty to comfortably live in; residences in these areas are usually occupied by undesirables as it's the cheapest shit for some distance near work.
Yeah it all boils down to the rather uncomfortable truth that people, by and large, want to live around people who look, dress, speak and act like the same way they do.
To anyone interested in the subject, I highly recommend 'Not just bikes' on YouTube. It's a canuck who moved to Amsterdam and he talks a lot about city planning.
That guy is a massive homosexual. Like every immigrant who moves to a new country and spends all his time going "you guys, things are so much better here! In the old country, they did X; but here, they do Y!"
have a nice day shill.
At least we are world champions.
What's Denver like? I'm not American so I have no clue. I think I've heard it's cool if you like nature and hiking but that's it.
Become a total shithole the past 20 years and is not getting better. I don’t know what’s worse. All the caligays moving in or the locals that want to be like California. Housings doubled or tripled. All the parks are infested by tourists. International ones. Was probably the last nice major American city
No one is preventing you from walking. Go outside and walk instead of throwing tantrums.
This is the stupidest fricking thing I’ve ever read in my entire life.
I'm a civil engineer, but at my old job I spent about ten years working on urban planning projects.
Firstly, the people who push these concepts, the ones who are in paid government or consultant positions, are largely uncomprehending of the basic mechanics that enable their lives.
As an example, I had dinner with a client, young woman working for the MPO, and she told me her goal was to get the city to ban all cars and trucks from downtown inside the Interstate loop (circle roughly 2-3 miles in diameter). Transit vehicles only. I asked her as tactfully as I could how the urban Target she wanted next to her high-rise would get its goods delivered. (Planners cream their pants over urban Targets.) She had no comprehension of that problem, it was as if she assumed the products materialized on the shelves out of the ether. I finally got her to concede to allowing trucks in but she only wanted them delivering between midnight and 5:00 AM.
Secondly, you have to understand the motivation. If I'm working with a transit agency, the first question is not "How can we maximize ridership?" or "Where is there a need for transit?" but "What can we get a federal grant to do?" All other considerations take a backseat. I worked on a $2 million light rail study between my city and its largest satellite, funded by the federal government, and the result of initial public involvement was, no one wanted it, no one would ride it, etc. Did the agency stop and reassess? No, they finished the study because they thought they could get a grant to build it, and they would force people to use it through "policy".
I took a pay cut to leave and go back to building roads. I can't abide these people and it's sickening that they not only exist but there are others who will parrot their bullshit for free. I do unironically want us to build several walkable 15-minute cities around the country simply to serve as fly paper for these people in hopes they will move there and leave us alone.
>I do unironically want us to build several walkable 15-minute cities around the country simply to serve as fly paper for these people in hopes they will move there and leave us alone.
I'm in, let's make it happen
You guys know the best thing about walkable cities with attractive spaces?
It keeps the fats and cripples out, making the attractive spaces even more attractive.
Fat people don't want to pay for parking and have to walk to get to where they're going, they do their errands and shopping at the big box malls outside of the city centre and find a fast food place to eat at along the way. The elderly and crippled go to their doctors at the hospital outside of the city centre. The grotesquely deformed do their shopping at the local grocery stores outside the city centre.
When they've done this, they drive, hop and scurry back to their residential areas - where? - Outside of the city centre!
>but Anon, what goes on in the city centre?
That's where the young and beautiful people go to see and be seen, or where the rich and successful live. That's where the nightlife is, that's where the more exclusive shopping is, that's where the beautiful buildings are, that's where dog owners walk through beautifully kept parks, or where lovers can leisurely promenade along the river or the seaside, or friends can meet for lunch or coffee at a lovely little bistro or café, or youthful joggers go jogging through largely car free streets. Maybe there's a public appeal in one of the squares, maybe there's a concert, maybe there's a tour group of two hundred Chinese with selfie sticks shouting SUGOI NA at a statue or a several hundred years old tree, but that all passes, and there's always room for someone to sit down and enjoy the serenity and soaking in the peaceful and beautiful surroundings. When the young and hip are done for the night, there's a Black person wagon, a taxi or light rail ready to take them back to their dwellings outside of the city centre.
I was positively blown away the first time I saw how effectively it worked, as the nearest city to me is nothing like it. It's the first time I've actually felt happy after visiting a city.
>I wish we had walkable cities
They're called college campuses anon.
We can never have real "Walkable" cities outside of things like that because you would get mugged instantly in the average American city if you're not in a car.
you can thank the automobile and airline lobbyists for our lack of public transit in the US
Absolutely. And it's not gonna get better unless we relax our zoning laws and get better public transport everywhere.
Want to be fit? Kill your car
Or just don't eat goyslop.
i agree, but my point was that those zoning laws won't easily be relaxed because the "correct" people are making a lot of money from them. best you can do is canvas for local candidates who can slowly chip away at the capitalist chokehold on cities.
>American's don't walk enough
Idk it seems like a good 10 minute walk just to get out of the parking
Why are chuds against walkable cities?
>having to drive 30 minutes to my nearest walmart to be able to get food is so hecking BASED and TRAD
Better than not being able to drive and having to get groceries everyday
Reminder:
Every criticism about the US isn't true for people who work a half decent job. All of that shit you fling only applies to poor American people, and we hate them just like you hate them. It's also piss easy to not be poor in the US, offices really don't expect much here. And don't be telling me some bullshit about how America's poor don't deserve it, you all shitpost so much about how stupid Americans are but you only ever focus on our poor, obviously you look down on them too. Get it? We agree with each other.
the american poor don't deserve it. i don't mock the poor for being stupid, i mock the rich for being equally stupid because they don't have an excuse. i'd much rather talk to a poor person who doesn't know who JFK is, than some rich winemom double-parking her massive range rover while her entitled kids scream at their iphones and throw their starbucks cups on the ground
cope
My guy, do you not see the backyards? I mean, I know such luxuries are foreign to you, but...
I would call you moronic, except you probably were legitimately running around in circles and digging for worms at age 15
Americans
>Private pool party with Stacey, Dad's cooking BBQ
You
>Walking through an overpopulated concrete shit hole smelling fumes and eating slop at a shitty corner store
>backyard
much better, right?
>he blames suburbia for kids staying inside instead of computer/video game/porn/smart phone addiction
Uh, yeah?
How else are you supposed to engage socially when you're not of driving age, not able to get to friends' houses other than by driving, and have nowhere else in safe walking/biking range to hang out with them?
>get out of the house
>walk 1-2 houses over to my buddy's house
>call the rest of the neighborhood boys to play some street hockey right in front of your house
???
It's possible that one feeds into the others. A walkable city with things you actually want to do nearby might help. In those kinds of neighborhoods, video games, porn, phone, and computer is all there is to do unless you have a car.
I lived in canadian suburbs.
I used to walk to nearby parks and play soccer all the time with my friends. Vidya was a rainy day past time and that's it.
Granted, a lot of us were spoiled and had stay-at-home moms who'd often drive us to anywhere that we didn't feel like wasting over an hour walking to. But even that being said, we had days where we'd just walk all over town the entire day.
Crazy how foreigners keep spamming this site begging Americans to humor them. Y'all Black folk come to us with this bullshit, not the other way around, not once did we bother with you. You're all obviously insecure as shit about the US.
I really don't want to drive either. Nobody knows how to drive they almost murder me for following traffic laws. Lot of hassle with no payoff.
>This stupid goy must hate freedom!!!!
Yawn
Walkable cities is such a fricking meme.
If you live in suburban US you're within 10 minutes of shopping centers that are basically outdoor walking malls dressed up with plants and groundskeeping as well as city parks and other things. We have tons of natural parks as well and sports equipment is affordable here.
The truth is, a lot of Americans are simply lazy and eat too much, nothing more to it. But you guys hate that it's that simple because it implies America is prosperous enough to have a large amount of people that can be wealthy enough to eat and sit on their asses all day. You make up these ridiculous stories ignoring the fact Latin America, Western Europe, the Middle East, China, etc. are currently comparably fat or at least as fat as the US was 10 years ago.
"Walkable cities" are totally irrelevant to everything. The whole world is getting fat due to luxuries spreading everywhere and America is simply the front runner. That's all. If it wasn't true only the US would be getting fatter every year.
To be clear, this isn't exactly a pro US point, I'm calling Americans lazy and gluttonous. Any American that says they're fat because of not having "walkable cities" or "public transport" is just shifting the blame away from themselves. As it turns out, if you give people infinite food and the option to entertain themselves at home with the Internet that's all most of them will fricking do with their lives.
And really, I think it's time you read the writing on the wall and realize people have been calling the US fat and lazy for decades, even back when the US was thinner than whatever your counties current fatness is at. If they were fat then, you are fat now, you Black person.
Even with walking a lot you can still be fat
Walking for 1 hour will burn about 300-400 calories
one big gulp of sugar soda will wipe that out. Or a starbucks coffee (fancy one)
400 calories of sugar is nothing since most of it turns into heat it only fattens you when you add fat
calories in = calories out
Bait
Take the bike pill. If more people in America biked for commuting it would unironically fix all of our problems:
> everyone would be more fit, better cardio, healthier
> mental health benefits from the exercise
> biking is more social. You are connected to those around you. Unlike driving where you view the fat middle aged slob in front of you as a car instead of human
> saves money. Car debt leaves most Americans spinning their tires financially no pun intended. People could actually save fore retirement
> better for the environment. I don’t give a shit about “global warming” but do care about air quality and some cities like NYC you can’t even run without coughing up a lung
There are a few cities that have developed the biking infrastructure to realize this dream and it’s awesome, they are usually smaller college town type cities that have a highly educated and fit population.
Sadly it’s a pipe dream because god forbid an American has to actually inconvenience themselves even if momentarily and for their own well being
There are actually tons of US cities built around bikable infrastructure, but they aren't cities people outside of the US would have heard of. You should Google it.
Got any recos? In my experience there are cities like Boulder, Madison, and Oklahoma City that are big enough to be a city with job opportunities , but small enough to support very accessible biking infrastructure
Cities like Chicago , DC, NYC are called “bikeable” but that’s a fricking lie. Sure they have great areas for biking like lake shore drive, but to actually get anywhere in the city enjoy ending up being splattered on Muhammad’s taxi
Other cities I’ve been to typically have great bike areas but they are in the burbs. No one that isn’t homeless is biking around downtown Nashville, Cincinnati, etc
Denver is pretty bikeable. They have nice bike paths along the rivers too. You need to be in good biking shape though because there are some big hills depending on where you are.
However, Denver is full of refugees from California now, so not only is it an overcrowded expensive shithole, but the whole state is getting taken over by the same politics that ruined California in the first place.
Bikes really do seem like the optimal form of urban transportation up until you’re like 70+ years old. I get that people need cars for longer distances but I would bike for most of my trips if I was less of a pussy and not afraid of sharing the road with them. Biking to work should actually be faster for me than taking the bus rn but there are no bike lanes along most of the route
Biking is great. It turns a soulless commute of hearing the same pop song 50x and being stuck in traffic while looking at your phone, to one where you are part of nature, the elements, and feeling true wind in your face from the efforts of your own muscle
Only works if you actually live in the city.
A lot of people live in towns that require at least 30 minutes of driving.
>I wish we had walkable cities
>sits on his ass and plays vidya all day
>keyboard warrior for the pedoagenda
Walkable city is code for "easily controlled area."
Ah its some moron from r/frickcars or some other den of the New Urbanists. Just another leftoid idea where this one simple trick will surely solve all these problems if you just let them steamroll over everything currently in place.
Walkable cities are only a desired talking point by the well off liberal class, who likely are college educated and have good incomes, are healthy, and oh yea also own a car
The middle of the bell curve fat suburbanites have too much in common with livestock cattle to see the benefit. Why walk when you can drive? Why pay $20 for a taco at this hipster restaurant when chipotle or Panera bread is easier?
Then the lower end of the bell curve , the ones the libs naively try to actually help, end up getting zoned out and gentrified out of their shit holes and then pushed somewhere else
It’s as much a pipe dream in America as developing a train system. Which again, would quickly become a shit show fast.
What Europeans and Asians don’t get is the bottom 20% of American society is far worse, more disgusting, and disruptive than the bottom 20% of their home countries. These people would quickly take any public transit and it would eventually be unappealing to anyone who could afford a car
the best is to live in the suburbs but be walking distance to a shopping center. I'm in a suburban house but I can walk to a grocery store and several restaurants.
What do you consider walking distance?
I live in a more rural area and my nearest grocery store is a 15 minute drive away.
Living the dream
I have a few stores one or two miles from me. It would be too long of a walk if I bought anything frozen or a few bags of groceries though.
Gentrification eventually comes to affect those suburbanites when the hedge fund manager decides it's profitable to tear everything down for the latest trend in shopping
Just because people CAN walk doesn't mean they WILL.
Obesity is an individual mental disorder, not a societal one.
Europeans seem to brag about walkable cities or public transportation, yet they seeing to be gaining weight as fast as Americans were decades ago.
Even in LA and NYC people, who seem to brag about everything in walking distance, would rather order food through DoorDash than walk a block to pick it up.
Europe as fat as America decades ago? Try less than one decade. Western countries are fat.
>no mlkj blvd
I guess we're just not going to address the root of our problems
>Water waster golf course
Literally frick yourself. I discovered golf start of last year and it's the only thing that keeps me sane. Yes my handicap is +60, but I'm slowly improving every single weekend.
just because you like golf doesn't mean that anon is wrong. i play golf too but i recognize that the courses are basically dead carpet land that wastes tons of fresh water. the grass too short for insect habitats, which handicaps the entire local food chain.
No one's complaining about the Black basketball courts, or the schools they destroy or the prison space they consume but a wealthy white male hobby? Let's hear about how fricking bad that is. You disgust me. Everything has a cost, that of mine is miniscule and doesn't deserve reproach
>but anon there is something worse than a golf course so you're not allowed to criticize the golf course
yeah, and terrorism is worse than those things you listed. and nuclear war is worse than terrorism. what's your point? nobody is telling you to stop playing golf, they're just asking you to acknowledge an inconvenient reality about golf courses without shitting your pants in anger.
the cargay r/the_zognald refugees need the FREEDOM to drive to Washington DC and hobble around like the toothless zombies they are not actually doing anything to fight THE DEMONRAT$
I grew up poor in Germany. I was crazy jealous of classmates with a house and backyard. Garden parties and getting drunk in the garage was cash...
Also we used to ride our bikes to friends and then hang out, what's stopping the suburban kids?
>what's stopping the suburban kids?
smartphones and tiktok. and i don't even blame them for that - their parents chose to buy their kids the phones
>Also we used to ride our bikes to friends and then hang out, what's stopping the suburban kids?
I had friends who lived close enough to be a 10-15 minute ride away, but between our subdivisions were 45-55 mph roads with no shoulder or sidewalk. I still would ride on them to get places, craving freedom, but would get grounded if mom found out
Where are the ghettos where the gas stations have armed security and bulletproof glass?
i don't understand why you don't just move to where you're wanted instead of hanging around where you're disliked and trying to change it
Any city is walkable if you want to walk that much. I used to walk 6 miles from my house to the other end of town, then 6 miles back and I never thought twice about it but at this point if I'm not a block or two from the store I'm driving frick that shit. Take 45 fricking minutes to grab a bag of chips and get back home? Naw I'm okay.
People really live in dog kennels they call apartments then seeth endlessly online about how they're upset Americans don't want to live like them. Dog kennels surrounded by concrete nonetheless.
You can't have walkable cities if you have large black or indio populations.
Why is there an apparent inability to differentiate single family housing as a whole from tract built disjointed subdivisions? As though any criticism of the latter means being necessarily anti-house or home ownership?
kek @ thinking walkable cities will fix obesity, you're fricking moronic if you think that people won't still just use scooters and other shit instead of moving on their own, you Eurogays are truly stupid c**ts.
>lol joke's on you european, us americans are lazy entitled fricks that'll just use scooters instead of walking
you sure showed him anon
The joke is Europe is at least as fat as the US was a decade ago and they're getting fatter. "Walkable cities" solve jack shit.
People objectively aren't as fat in walkable cities as they are in the suburbs and Countryside even in places where half of these motherfrickers are riding their gay ass scooters like Seattle.
Fat people be like:
>ITS NOT MY FAULT IM FAT, ITS THE... UNWALKABLE CITIES! PLEASE IGNORE THE FACT THERE ARE ENDLESS PARKS AND WALKABLE SHOPPING CENTERS I COULD TAKE A 5 MINUTE DRIVE TO VISIT! PLEASE IGNORE THAT OTHER COUNTRIES ARE JUST AS FAT AS US! ITS NOT MY FAAAAAULT!
Get bent, fatties.
Anti car people are either too poor to afford cars or too scared to drive
no we just don't want to waste the precious few hours of our lives sitting in traffic
That's why you'd prefer to walk to and from stations and take an indirect route to your destination because you value your time. That's why every single time I've taken public transportation it's taken me longer to get there then if I'd have driven. Many times over double. One time it ok me over 2 hours to get somewhere that takes me 23 minutes to drive too. Missed the bus by 1 minute and had to wait a whole nother hour. Yeah sounds like a real time saver.
my god you are such a dumbass. public transit in america is shitty, just as you describe, BECAUSE we prioritized car culture over everything else back in the 1950s. we created a culture of car dependency. if we actually made mass transit a priority, it would be fast, clean, safe and cheap. you're basically saying "my lord this prison cell is very uncomfortable" like yeah dude, we made it that way on purpose because we don't want you to enjoy your time there. the car lobby in america wants you to assume public transit can never be good because they lose money if you start believing that.
>my lord this prison cell is very uncomfortable
Sounds like your average apartment dwelling poor person.
Rich people outside of the US drive cars, don't get it twisted because you have a complex. The reason the US doesn't have as much public transit is people stopped using what we had as we got richer.
the increase in the number of poor citizens is outpacing the increase in the number of rich citizens, and history is pretty clear about what happens when those numbers reach a tipping point.
A new puppet master gets instilled and the smart fish get to hop up on the social ladder? I'm in.
NYC had 200.000.000 subway passengers in 1907. I do not want to emulate NYC. The elites who want meme cities want you to be subjected to their anacho-tyrannies and I would otherwise agree but unfortunately I live in a world where people have absolute contempt for my existence, let alone my well-being.
Public transportation will never be good because it requires a competent government. The government has never and will never properly manage anything. If public transportation is shitty now, banning private car use and forcing everyone to use it will make it worse. Regardless if rather sit in traffic then have to be inconvenienced using public transportation. Either I go from my house directly to my car and drive directly where I want to go and park exactly where I want to be. With public transportation I have to walk from my house to the station then take an indirect route with multiple stops to another station then walk from the station to my destination. Plus when the weather's shitty I have to deal with that. More inconvenient and more time consuming.
This also brings up the unpaid labor and cost on yourself of spending for most of us about 2 hours per day in traffic of their own unpaid time in relation to their labor. That is, getting to work.
I had to wake up extra early so I can sit in traffic with the rest of the slaves. Rushed fast food, I have an errand to run and I want to eat something on my 10-hour mcshift, so it's going to take 20 minutes of driving to get 2mi down the stroad for a venti goysloppuccino on the way to the bank or whatever. I'd better rush straight back to beat traffic or Mr shekelberg will kill me. Thankfully I'm finally off, now that it's dark outside, despite getting here before the sun rose. Only an hour and a half commute to my affordable suburb 30mi away, thanks to five separate fatal crashes on the highway. Europoors stay losing.
Oh, but riding an elevator, walking to the station, waiting on a train you just missed, taking the slow train to a place that's still a walk from your actual destination... THAT'S OKAY??
see
Seems a bit disconnected to the point.
>Have to go to Chicago on a business trip
>Hear the endless memes
>Think nothing of it
>Go walk outside at night to grab a six pack
>Get robbed
I dont think walkable cities are an option for America as long as they don't take care of their crime problem. I think you need a car in America to be able to drive to a safe location to shop.
and most of those "ponds" are just stormwater retainage pools, stagnant, filled with algae, designed to accommodate the diverted rainwater runoff created by all the excess suburban development.
Walkable cities should be a project for every country in the world. Humanity needs to go back to smaller communities with more significant interactions. So that life quality would go up again.
trips of truth
go back to small communities where everyone knows each other, no sneaky ~~*cosmopolitans*~~ blending in.
Literally a subdivision you gay moron. Walkable cities are crowded.
>every American city
didn't zoom in
>didn't read the post
>didn't read the thread
if its about bashing America Im all in
>exit thread
Not enough diversity and MLK avenues. Where's my spicy ethnic food and sonorous gunshot background noise?
>implying fatties would walk even if they could
Case and point they can right now.
>I wish we had walkable cities so fat people would be rare
You really think a 300+ pound fatty would suddenly become normal sized if his city was built differently?
Dumbest shit I've ever read, even if walking was enough to lose weight for a gluttonous fiend (it's not, you are completely ignorant of fitness and probably look like shit yourself if you think this) they can just get shit delivered.
>indian name high school
gupta shiva?
So if we finally redesign cities around living in dystopic tenements and put in totalitarian taxes on any and all social and physical faux pas will we finally not be fat?
>he still believe that walkable cities is why yuropoors are slimmer than amerifats
Dumb goyim
as an american, why is this seen as bad thing. maybe life maybe better that way.
i dunno, but it seems that suburbia is a prison while in walkable cities, you can be surronded by all sorts of people
you will never feel lonely as an american
-appalachian who escaped his vfshithole
>water waster golf course
This is an NPC argument that people parrot to sound smart. Golf courses DO NOT waste water. Modern golf course irrigation systems are designed to optimize water usage as much as possible, despite the cost of wasting water is absolutely frick-all (american homes waste about one trillion gallons of water every year, farms waste a shit ton too). People that believe this shit are simply jealous of successful people using their money to enjoy the game and beauty of golf. Environmentalists that target golf courses always strike a fricking nerve with me because I've had to deal with them a lot in my work.