I would just like to point out to people that the squat (and deadlift) are not necessary, and in my opinion, not a particularly good exercise as a general recommendation to beginner lifters due to the fact that so many people get injured on this exercise. The injuries are often due to structural issues, not form. That is all. Thank you.
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Didn't read. Post quads if you want to have an opinion on squats
why would the size of my quads have anything to do with anything? I will post a picture of some moronic juiced up bodybuilder who just does leg press if that would satisfy your moronic homosexual erectus brain.
If you're shitting on squats but you don't have big quads naturally, why should I listen to you? Juiceheads have nothing to do with this anyway, they can do literally anything for their legs and get them massive
Survivorship bias. People who don't squat and deadlift injure themselves more often.
Also only dyels complain about back pain.
Also people with structural issues will snap one day anyway
Yea dude an exercise that works your entire posterior chain and is so stress inducing that your body has to adapt and produce extra hormones to cope is totally useless.
Frick off DYEL, honestly just frick off.
Silly comments assuming I don't have big quads, and that I don't look like I lift. You are all, unfortunately, well below my intellect.
You haven't really provided any arguments against what I asserted. I am sure you can find many people with big quads on the internet who don't squat or take steroids. More importantly, you can find many people on the internet and in real life who have injured themselves squatting. There are many exercises that are proven, logically, and actually, effective at working the various body parts that quads work in a safer and more natural manner. These include lunges, rdls, sumo landmine/db squats, etc etc.
You have provided no argument either. Words are not an argument, specially coming from a worthless subhuman nonwhite.
Fact: squats are not necessary. Evidence: my own experience + various people on the internet with big legs who don't squat. Please provide proof otherwise.
Fact: many people injure themselves squatting. Evidence - personal experience, that of others in the gym, and on the internet. Please provide proof that they don't get injured.
oh, + biomechanics, physics, emg tests, etc. Squats are not necessary.
Your evidence that they are necessary: "people have done them in the past".
>Fact: many people injure themselves squatting. Evidence - personal experience, that of others in the gym, and on the internet. Please provide proof that they don't get injured.
I can easily go and find videos of people inverting their knees on the leg press and people tearing their adductor on lunges/split squats. I don't go around saying that these exercises are bad, in fact I do split squats quite often in my training and I would probably leg press if it weren't for the fact that I train in a home gym. Your point?
>Fact: squats are not necessary. Evidence: my own experience + various people on the internet with big legs who don't squat. Please provide proof otherwise.
This betrays a lack of understanding of fundamental principles of resistance training. Squats and deadlifts are not necessary, HOWEVER, squat patterns and hinge patterns ARE necessary. The reason why most people do squats and deadlifts as their primary squat/hinge pattern motions is because they are very good squat/hinge pattern movements, for a multitude of reasons, with some notable ones being standardization, consistency, stability, easy variability of movement pattern, and most importantly, fun. Squats and deadlifts technically are not necessary, however they are top tier movements in their respective movement pattern categories, so most people should do them or their close variations anyway.
The reason most people do squats is because historically most people did squats. the reason they historically did squats is not because people sat around thinking of the best exercise, but because powerlifting has had a heavy influence on general weight lifting, even though it has been a negative influence.
>The reason most people do squats is because historically most people did squats.
No, it's because the squat is a very practical and convenient movement to perform. All you need is a barbell, plates, and a rack, which can also be used for numerous other exercises. You don't need some fancy machine that can only be used for a specific leg movement, you just need to put some weight on your back, sit down, and stand up. It doesn't get simpler than that.
Also
>powerlifting
Bodybuilders have been squatting since before powerlifting was a thing, same with bench press and deadlifts.
>Silly comments assuming I don't have big quads, and that I don't look like I lift.
Then post them moron
>You are all, unfortunately, well below my intellect.
Unfortunately you're dealing with one of the local giga-autists on this board so this is definitely false
>I am sure you can find many people with big quads on the internet who don't squat or take steroids.
You are shifting the goal-posts from "squats/deadlifts are inherently bad for you because muh snap city" to "you can build big legs without squats/deadlifts." I entirely disagree with the former, but the latter is entirely reasonable.
>More importantly, you can find many people on the internet and in real life who have injured themselves squatting.
Because the squat/deadlift are some of the most popular exercises around? I'm not going to find anyone injuring themselves doing tempo 5 count pause deficit smith machine bulgarian split squats because it's an extremely esoteric lift that no one does, but millions of people do the squat and deadlift, so of course you'll find many cases of people injuring themselves. No shit
>There are many exercises that are proven, logically, and actually, effective at working the various body parts that quads work in a safer and more natural manner. These include lunges, rdls, sumo landmine/db squats, etc etc.
These are all dogshit replacements. Lunges are okay but they're more glute-dominant and they're primarily useful as an adjunct to the squat, not a replacement. RDLs are extremely close to deadlifts so you aren't actually wrong on that one if your goal is glute/hamstring/lower back hypertrophy, however deadlifts will generally be better for the upper back (depends on multiple factors tho, just a generalization) and they're also much better for strength. Sumo landmine/db squats are dogshit, no one does either of those because they're shit for the most part.
I just wish there was a way to add weight to a squat without a dumb fricking barbell on my back
Hexbar squats?
I squatted 3.5pl8 today bros.. after 4 years of constant grinding I got the 2x bodyweight lift.
80kg, 5'10, sub 13% bodyfat and natty. I think I've hit my genetic limit at 29. Might be time to hit the gear now, turn in the natty card.
>fundamental exercises people have been doing just fine since the barbell was invented are actually bad
great and interesting thread thanks op
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Maybe because beginners don't have strong muscles at all in their whole body? And their ego is urging them to do exercises and weights they really shouldn't. I think that nothing is necessary, and it's a simple fact, however when it comes to lower body exercises, compound exercises like squats and deadlifts are simply the best.
OP is correct. But the only reason to skip one of the primary barbell lifts is because you have a physiological issue that prevents you from doing them with proper form, eg every time I squat or deadlift heavy, I tweak my neck and have to go back to the chiropractor (inb4 big pharma shilling), thus I quit doing them and I do other lifts instead.
Tl;dr: I lift for aesthetics
Fact: if you don't squat, you're gay.
Women don't care about glutes, do lunge walks instead.
>everything I do is and must always be for women
this mindset makes you more gay than having gay sex with another man
the poster you replied to is ontologically correct
> Somehow having sex with women is gay.
PIV isn't gay unless you are a gay man due can't get laid syndrome.
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to avoid squat and diddly. The bracing is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of gradeschool physics most of the reps will injure a typical lifter's back. There's also DL's high effort requirement, which is deftly woven into its lifting potential - its high muscle contraction draws heavily from the Gluteus maximus, for instance. OP understands this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly avoid the depths of these squats, to realize that they're not just unnecessary- they cause serious injury. As a consequence people who like squats and DL truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the danger in squats
No exercise is "necessary" strictly speaking, because for every exercise that hits a certain muscle there are equivalent alternatives. However squats, deadlifts and their respective variations are considered the kings of leg exercises because they hit so many muscles indirectly. As for the risk of injury, for squats especially this is highly exaggerated.
Just don't do both on the same day if you don't want to feel like garbage.
OHP, Cleans and Deadlifts certainly are necessary and very much natural movement patterns as long as you don't wear accessories like a powershitter to get his lifts up cuz they got weak ankles, core and wrists.
I genuinely don't understand how you injure yourself back squatting if there isn't some sort of equipment failure (which can easily be prevented by not going to poverty gyms or investing in solid equipment if you're a home gym guy) or some extreme/unsafe behavior (like going beyond your 1RM for a brutal murder rep at a powerlifting meet) at play. Any squat done outside of a full rack with the safeties set at the correct height counts as unsafe behavior. Please don't give me any (you)s with some dumbass squatting on some piece of shit half rack and missing the safeties because he's moronic and didn't pay attention to how far back he walked the weight out. Some idiot passing out after he racks the weight is also unsafe behavior. It's not my problem you wanted to stand around pawing at your lifting belt after doing a hard set instead of taking a knee or sitting down like a sensible person. What issue am I going to have squatting in a high quality rack that's set up correctly?
Every single "squat fail" in this video is a result of some easily avoidable moronation
I don't squat because
>there are no safeties on my home weight rack
>I have bad butt wink when going ATG
>Squatting may have cause a weird dull burning pain in my left spinal erector
When I was a fresh lifter doing SS, I used to love squatting, but thats before I learned all this stuff
Just do more reps at a lower weight slowly. Frick doing more than three exercises at the gym a day. In and out in 30ish minutes.
How do i replace deadlifts?
The rate of injuries from lifting is lower than basically any other sport
Cant cure stupid
I don't squat but I love Deadlifts. It's easier for me to DL as a manlet.
I tried squatting one day and it felt weird so I stopped, didn't really want to snap my back, i have some mild scoliosis.