If CICO is the only way to lose fat, how come two people can be the same height and weight and eat the same diet, but one of them injects hormones into their ass cheek, and the two people will end up having completely different body comps after 3 months? Is this proof that hormones determine your body more than a unit of energy that our bodies don’t even use (calories)?
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how come two people can be the same height and weight and eat the same diet, but one of them injects hormones into their ass cheek, and the two people will end up having completely different body comps after 3 months?
same reason why male and female of the same height and weight will get diverging result - next question bot
>If CICO is the only way to lose fat...
>*Proceeds to give a hypothetical that doesn't involve losing fat*
CICO is for weight gain. Not fat exclusively. Yes hormones and the type of calorie will determine where the weight goes. Fat or muscle.
You are supposed to eat less compared to what you ate before, not what other people ate before.
Hope that answers your question.
Is this just constant bait or are anti-CICO gays really literally moronic?
It's kind of both. Ritual posters do it because they have a chip on their shoulder.
Pretty sure it's 90% bait. Anyone with a brain will tell you cico is approximately right, but impossible to maintain without eating the right macros. Usually comes out to low carb for sustainable weight loss, and high protein high fat for bulking with average carbs
CICO is obviously incorrect because since its invention, it has never reliably worked for everyone. Stories of people saying that they follow it yet cannot lose weight are now like a century old.
It simply doesn't work. We can argue about why this is, but facts are facts. Reality > theory.
>Stories
Exactly. Just stories
>You (moron): Oh yeh I tried CICO for a few weeks and it worked at first but then it stopped working
>Me (GigaChad): What do you mean "stopped working"
>You (moron): Idk I just stopped losing weight
>Me (GigaChad): Then what?
>You (moron): I stopped counting calories
>Me (GigaChad): How long did you do this for?
>You (moron):Idk like a month
>Me (GigaChad): So you stopped tracking calories after a month because you only lost weight in the first few weeks and then stopped losing weight and then gave up shortly after and have concluded it doesn''t work?
>You (moron): Uhh yes I guess so
This is how every single one of those "stories" goes, a bunch of moronic c**ts who think weight loss linear and don't understand how scale weight can remain stalled despite fat loss happening and never track calories & diet long enough to ever experience how it actually works, and then due to not actually doing it properly, come to incorrect conclusions.
>or are anti-CICO gays really literally moronic?
It’s this, and the fact they just don’t want to take accountability for what they shove in their face. I’m convinced the concept of a calorie is extremely misunderstood amongst average people and most everyone who’s not fitpilled has no clue what their daily calorie range should be. People just vaguely label food as either healthy or non healthy, they don’t bother looking into specifics. I’ve seen a coworker who’s tried to lose weight shovel away spoonfuls of peanut butter with her lunch because she heard once “peanut butter is actually good for you and has protein!”, without any clue she just took in an extra 1000 unnecessary calories. And those are the people who will say “I can’t lose weight no matter what I do”.
>conveniently ignores the protein powder and multivitamins he used while doing the twinkie diet
>inject hormone that increases your TDEE
>wow look he’s burning more calories
Really anon?
> how come two people can be the same height and weight and eat the same diet, but one of them injects hormones into their ass cheek, and the two people will end up having completely different body comps after 3 months?
Do you have any studies supporting this hypothesis?
Those hormones increase muscle mass which increases TTDE.
Dang so hormones do change your body comp?
Have you already forgotten what point you were trying to make?
Im not going to answer that because that's genuinely most moronic question I've ever been asked.
>implying we should trust a fat nutritionist
hormones affect calories out
you fricking moron
Total calories = mass
Macros & Hormones & Type of Exercise = body composition
This is why 1 guy at 5’9 175 can be soft and fat with no muscle, and 1 guy at 5’9 175 can have a 6 pack with muscle
CICO is like climate change, voodoo science that is aggressively spammed and defended online. Reality disagrees, of cours,e but nobody cares as long as muh studies confirm it.
Basically
>CICO = THE SCIENCE IS SETTLED, HOW DARE YOU
etc.
Dunning Kruger effect post
CICO is your total mass
Your total mass is always determined by your CICO
Your body-composition at the Total Mass is determined by your type of macronutrients and your type of exercise and your state of hormones, but the total mass is 100% determined by CICO
Total mass = your total body weight
Your total body weight can be 175lbs shredded on 2300 calories, it can also be 175lbs fat on 2300 calories, the difference in body composition between people people at 2300 calories a day at 175lb is made by the exercise, hormones and, but cico at 2300 determines the total mass at 175lb
It’s incredible how low IQ people are on IST to not understand this simple shit
qed
>It’s incredible how low IQ people are on IST to not understand this simple shit
Well, it isn't true. According to you, every single person in the world eating X calories should be the same weight.
Whihc is obviously untrue, even with same height and exercise. BEcause CICOgays for some reason also believe that there is no difference in individual metabolism and digestion, ever.
is correct. It's a cult.
why do you post the same shit every day?
are they keeping you hostage?
do you want a way out?
You’re implying everyone in the world tracks calories and we have a database of peoples calorie tracking and weight and everything is tracked correctly and methodically
Nobody besides autistic calorie tracking shredded sick c**ts like me are doing that, 99.99% of the human people is not doing that and you’re part of the 99.99% of ignorant clueless masses
Then you wonder why guys like me are shredded year round and claim it’s something magical, when it is infact me just being super autistically dedicated to tracking my calories and doing it extremely methodically such as weighing out literally every single thing I eat down to the single ingredient and never eating anything I havent prepared and weighed out myself
You will never be shredded because you refuse to accept CICO
Post body
IST is full of autists and CICO is math so they prefer it for obvious reasons.
Doesn't mean it's correct but that never stopped anyone on IST, now did it?
No it’s not moron. Total mass is determined by mass in and mass out. How fricking stupid are you?
And the mass we’re talking about here is calories
100 grams of fat is 900 calories and your body absorbs about 95% of those calories, so not sure why you dumb fricks who are against CICO are obsessed with fat intake being best
100 grams of protein is 400 calories and you absorb about 70% of those calories
100 grams of carbs is 400 calories and you absorb about 85% of those calories
So if you want to maximise low body fat your diet would be
High protein
Moderate carb
Low fat
These macros are the most thermodynamic for the calories consumed.
This would translate to something like
200g protein (800 calories)
150g carbs (600 calories)
75g fats (675 calories)
Total calories: 2125
That person would have a shredded body at 2125 calories
If they wanted to bulk they can simply increase calories by adding carbs
You’re a fricking moron not gonna lie
It’s always autistic people who are obsessed with CICO because numbers
You have a low level of intelligence and you can’t comprehend how this impacts your ability to understand how the world around you works, which is why you ended up falling into old wives tales and witch doctor fad diets.
It’s a waste of time for me to even talk to you, it’s like trying to make dog understand algebra
You’re literally of peasant blood Lowe human, part of a subhuman class of masses, and the peasant life of mediocrity is what you shall have
>filtered by simple math and science
have fun making my burgers, wagie.
You can lead a CICOgay to water, and have him briefly call to mind the fact that BMR and TDEE are not static variables, and in fact can vary wildly based on various lifestyle choices, including dietary ones. But you simply cannot make him drink, and think through the full implications of that fact.
You guys who don’t follow cico will never be able to make it
You will forever spin your wheels following meme diets
You will die without making it
Filtered out due to low IQ
Owned
Nobody's saying the numbers and science aren't real you dumb sperg. The point is that the actual math that's going on inside a body isn't captured reliably by a midwit plug and chug TDEE/calorie-counter estimation that treats all calories as equal. You're getting filtered.
Don't care, will keep weighing my food and calories like a boss.
also, samegay.
They want you to become a fat tub of shit fad dieter wheel spinning skinnyfat dyel who gets nowhere, like they are
Imagine dying a skinnyfat moron because you refuse to accept cico kek
Hormones are the single most important piece of the body composition equation, if your metabolism is wrecked and your hormones are too (rarely will you have one and not the other), nothing you do will fix your body. The focus should be on healing the body and increasing metabolic function
hey botto...
not too smart huh, lacking in context any everything.
>electron theory of metabolism.
just keep spam posting nonsense, it's fun.
CICO is true in the strictest autistic sense like how for their to be less or more people in a stadium, people have to leave or get in, but it doesn't explain why people leave or get in the stadium. Which is why it appeals to ISTards who are simultaneously autistic and need to validate themselves by insulting fatties. The real truth is that most every fatty is that way because they are metabolically damaged from goyschlop. If you eat healthy, meaning, no foods that damage your metabolism, meaning no pufas primarily, you can eat as much as you want, and you'll be lean. Unless you're force feeding yourself, it is impossible to get fat if you are metabolically healthy, and no one force feeds themselves to get fat, everyone eats to satiation like people have since the dawn of time the only things that changed is the composition of foods. Watch as people reply to this comment calling me fatty, even though I'm skinny, asking me to post body, so they can post it in their gay folder, all to defend their vitriol against people who were simply misinformed and victims of the food supply. It's also of course a way for losers to in some way validate themselves for accomplishing nothing, if you can punch down on fatties and act like being lean is a monumental task of discipline, when it actually isn't. Being lean is incredibly easy, if you know which foods are pro-metabolic and which ones are anti-metabolic, you can eat as much as you want and be lean, no orthorexia (counting calories) required.
Based and Peat-pilled
>the real truth
>you can eat as much as you want and be lean.
yeah, nah.
Yes if you eat 5000 calories a day with a diet high in fat you will be fat, but you don’t have to starve yourself to lose weight
>you can eat anything as much as you want and be lean
>eat 5000 calories a day high in fat
>you will be fat
okay what is it?
>but one of them injects hormones into their ass cheek, and the two people will end up having completely different body comps after 3 months?
lmfao
Good one Op, this is a subtle joke despite the hard hitting punchline, nicely done.
>hormones tell body what to do
>a hormone-taker's body does things a natty's doesnt
are you moronic? is this a bullshit bot thread?
>Is this proof that hormones determine your body more than a unit of energy that our bodies don’t even use (calories)?
Have you thought about what would happen if they had different caloric intakes?