butter too. it is less obesogenic, less bad for skin but somewhat more bad for cardiovascular system. original fat is bad, kills you and makes you fat view of diet from 70s to 90s was most correct and best dietary advice for masses. look at movies in 50s and 60s. male leads were pudgy. in 7ps thy got trim and by 80s they often were roided.
no, PUFA oils are still worse for your cardiovascular health, that being said this doesn't mean that you should eat half a stick of butter everyday, just go low fat but make it as saturated as possible
However, I still think it's a moot issue. This is a fitness board, weightlifters and athletes eat a shit ton of protein all the time. Plus a shit ton of fat on bulks. They don't suffer from obesity.
Sure but the obesity is a symptom of a larger problem. You can be a bodybuilder and look great and Still consume trash oils
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At the end of the day it's CICO and gymcels autistically count their calories, you can't weasel your way out of this especially if you're eating a balanced macro. I'd argue that you don't need to count calories if you're doing HCLF or LCHF, ketotards are right about the randle cycle but they use it to shill their shitty diet sadly.
6 months ago
Anonymous
You didn't address anything I said
6 months ago
Anonymous
>you don't need to count calories if you're doing HCLF or LCHF
Then why do you have to count calories for keto to work? Lots of people get fat on keto.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Proper keto macro (low carb, restricted protein) can make you lose weight rapidly but sadly it's all muscle and water. people who got fat on a keto macro are either glutinous pigs or they eat too much protein, eating over 2000 calories of high fat meals is torture and a normal man would likely throw up everything in their stomach if they're forcing themselves, i've been there when i was obese.
6 months ago
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Obesity is a symptom as well as the root of many other illnesses.
If you're a bodybuilder that "looks great" you're likely in better health than a vegan on a low-fat diet.
>Plus a shit ton of fat on bulks. They don't suffer from obesity.
What exactly do you think a "bulk" is, my friend?
>What exactly do you think a "bulk" is, my friend?
Purposeful weight gain? Fat can make you fat if you eat too much of it. So can nearly anything else.
Its not a wonder that the "high carb" countries are less fat. They're eating less calories.
6 months ago
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>Purposeful weight gain
Weight gain leads to obesity. So bulking would also lead to obesity. The reason bodybuilders don't look obese is that they don't bulk year round, but they are in fact becoming more obese.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>weight gain leads to obesity
Wow what a shocking revelation!
You're missing the point. It's true that bodybuilders eat fat on a bulk, but the only reason they're gaining weight is because they're purposefully eating more than their TDEE.
6 months ago
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>Its not a wonder that the "high carb" countries are less fat. They're eating less calories.
That's the whole point. Carbs have less than half the calories as fat, gram for gram.
6 months ago
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3000 calories of pure carbs won't make you fat, not the case when you're eating 3000 calories of pure fat
6 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not sure what you're getting at. Are you saying Americans eat only fat? Or that they only eat 3000 calories?
6 months ago
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They eat too much fat, yes
6 months ago
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>Obesity is a symptom as well as the root of many other illnesses.
Fair enough >If you're a bodybuilder that "looks great" you're likely in better health than a vegan on a low-fat diet.
The statistics say vegans live longer, so I'm inclined to believe the studies. I'm not a vegan but I'm going with them over an anecdote
6 months ago
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Most people aren't vegan and most of those same people are fat as frick. Of course a vegan is going to live longer when you compare them against the average moronic consumer.
Good luck finding a "statistic" for who lives longer- a regular athlete or a vegan?
6 months ago
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1. No idea why your language is so charged.
2. You pivoted from bodybuilder to athlete
6 months ago
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>No idea why your language is so charged
Eh, I don't think it is. >You pivoted from bodybuilder to athlete
In my original post I used "weightlifters and athletes" as my verbiage.
Regardless, is there an actual study on the average lifespan of a bodybuilder? I wonder how many die an early death from trooning the frick out with roids.
6 months ago
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>is there an actual study on the average lifespan of a bodybuilder
Yes. Its 47.
.https://www.auajournals.org/doi/10.1016/j.juro.2016.02.336
6 months ago
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>professional roid trannies >"look great"
Not trying to move the goal posts, honestly, but there's such a huge gap between the average bodybuilder and a professional. The shit they do is beyond crazy.
6 months ago
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You didn't specify professional or not. But I see your point. I feel like that still includes them under the umbrella of bodybuilders though
6 months ago
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>3,480-3,770
Jesus Christ. When I was really going hard in the gym and bulking that's what I ate. The average Amercan really does that every day without exercising?
6 months ago
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>Sure but the obesity is a symptom of a larger problem. You can be a bodybuilder and look great and Still consume trash oils
It is really simple dude, fats are 9 calories per gram and carbs are 4.
Carbs though are an evolutionary rarity, when we found an apple tree, we would stay and eat all day.
Fats satiate you though. You will not over eat fats unless you are intentionally trying to OR also eating carbohydrates.
We dont have receptors to tell us when we are full of carbs, it is why we can crush a 20" large pizza have a food coma, then be starving 45 minutes later even thoigh we just ate 6000 calories.
6 months ago
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Nothing you said is relevant to what I said
6 months ago
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>Fats satiate you though. You will not over eat fats unless you are intentionally trying to OR also eating carbohydrates.
I dont share the same experience. I notice when i eat nuts is when i get into those almost unstoppable binge. I can finish off an entire bag of nuts and still dont feel satisfied. It really feels like an animal trying to pack on fat for winter.
Not the case with fruits or grains. I can easily stop myself when i eat those.
6 months ago
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>We dont have receptors to tell us when we are full of carbs,
There are actual signalers like ghrelin and insulin for carbs. On the other hand, you can store infinite fat.
butter too. it is less obesogenic, less bad for skin but somewhat more bad for cardiovascular system. original fat is bad, kills you and makes you fat view of diet from 70s to 90s was most correct and best dietary advice for masses. look at movies in 50s and 60s. male leads were pudgy. in 7ps thy got trim and by 80s they often were roided.
Regardless, we've become more sedentary. In the east they rely more on public transit and walking whereas in the US and Gulf countries virtually everyone has a car that they use every single day.
What really bothers me with nutritional science is that my father and mothers generation lived to like 99 on good health. I literally work with a 90 year old woman who is spiffy and quirky and works hard as hell and talks about eating bacon and eggs and bagels etc. I think it has to do Kore with food quality and other factors. Ask your parents if anyone in their childhood had peanut allergies or was allergic to gluten or anything like that. Its deeper than just x is bad
Confirmation bias, people from 100 years ago and beyond died way more often than today, it was pretty common for a family to be very big and have a couple siblings die for a multitude of reasons. The ones that are alive today are so because they were the healthiest, more resilient of the bunch
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I clicked the link and it's not there. To recap you post a pic rel when it's irrelevant. You tell me the actual data is in the link. It's not. Are you intentionally trying to waste my time? Just admit made shit up in the op without evidence
bmi is a meme. For fricksakes women and men share the same bmi formula when men have like double their muscle mass or whatever. I've also never been to bugland so i have no idea what the average bug looks like
We haven't evolved to eat lots of fat. There's very little fat in the wild. Game is lean, no sneed oils, wild nuts are tiny. We evolved to eat protein and starch, with some sugar/fat when we get lucky.
Sneed oils
butter too. it is less obesogenic, less bad for skin but somewhat more bad for cardiovascular system. original fat is bad, kills you and makes you fat view of diet from 70s to 90s was most correct and best dietary advice for masses. look at movies in 50s and 60s. male leads were pudgy. in 7ps thy got trim and by 80s they often were roided.
no, PUFA oils are still worse for your cardiovascular health, that being said this doesn't mean that you should eat half a stick of butter everyday, just go low fat but make it as saturated as possible
>low fat but make it as saturated as possible
How would one do this? Small portions of meat?
Lean cuts, sure.
However, I still think it's a moot issue. This is a fitness board, weightlifters and athletes eat a shit ton of protein all the time. Plus a shit ton of fat on bulks. They don't suffer from obesity.
Sure but the obesity is a symptom of a larger problem. You can be a bodybuilder and look great and Still consume trash oils
At the end of the day it's CICO and gymcels autistically count their calories, you can't weasel your way out of this especially if you're eating a balanced macro. I'd argue that you don't need to count calories if you're doing HCLF or LCHF, ketotards are right about the randle cycle but they use it to shill their shitty diet sadly.
You didn't address anything I said
>you don't need to count calories if you're doing HCLF or LCHF
Then why do you have to count calories for keto to work? Lots of people get fat on keto.
Proper keto macro (low carb, restricted protein) can make you lose weight rapidly but sadly it's all muscle and water. people who got fat on a keto macro are either glutinous pigs or they eat too much protein, eating over 2000 calories of high fat meals is torture and a normal man would likely throw up everything in their stomach if they're forcing themselves, i've been there when i was obese.
Obesity is a symptom as well as the root of many other illnesses.
If you're a bodybuilder that "looks great" you're likely in better health than a vegan on a low-fat diet.
>What exactly do you think a "bulk" is, my friend?
Purposeful weight gain? Fat can make you fat if you eat too much of it. So can nearly anything else.
Its not a wonder that the "high carb" countries are less fat. They're eating less calories.
>Purposeful weight gain
Weight gain leads to obesity. So bulking would also lead to obesity. The reason bodybuilders don't look obese is that they don't bulk year round, but they are in fact becoming more obese.
>weight gain leads to obesity
Wow what a shocking revelation!
You're missing the point. It's true that bodybuilders eat fat on a bulk, but the only reason they're gaining weight is because they're purposefully eating more than their TDEE.
>Its not a wonder that the "high carb" countries are less fat. They're eating less calories.
That's the whole point. Carbs have less than half the calories as fat, gram for gram.
3000 calories of pure carbs won't make you fat, not the case when you're eating 3000 calories of pure fat
I'm not sure what you're getting at. Are you saying Americans eat only fat? Or that they only eat 3000 calories?
They eat too much fat, yes
>Obesity is a symptom as well as the root of many other illnesses.
Fair enough
>If you're a bodybuilder that "looks great" you're likely in better health than a vegan on a low-fat diet.
The statistics say vegans live longer, so I'm inclined to believe the studies. I'm not a vegan but I'm going with them over an anecdote
Most people aren't vegan and most of those same people are fat as frick. Of course a vegan is going to live longer when you compare them against the average moronic consumer.
Good luck finding a "statistic" for who lives longer- a regular athlete or a vegan?
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1. No idea why your language is so charged.
2. You pivoted from bodybuilder to athlete
>No idea why your language is so charged
Eh, I don't think it is.
>You pivoted from bodybuilder to athlete
In my original post I used "weightlifters and athletes" as my verbiage.
Regardless, is there an actual study on the average lifespan of a bodybuilder? I wonder how many die an early death from trooning the frick out with roids.
>is there an actual study on the average lifespan of a bodybuilder
Yes. Its 47.
.https://www.auajournals.org/doi/10.1016/j.juro.2016.02.336
>professional roid trannies
>"look great"
Not trying to move the goal posts, honestly, but there's such a huge gap between the average bodybuilder and a professional. The shit they do is beyond crazy.
You didn't specify professional or not. But I see your point. I feel like that still includes them under the umbrella of bodybuilders though
>3,480-3,770
Jesus Christ. When I was really going hard in the gym and bulking that's what I ate. The average Amercan really does that every day without exercising?
>Sure but the obesity is a symptom of a larger problem. You can be a bodybuilder and look great and Still consume trash oils
It is really simple dude, fats are 9 calories per gram and carbs are 4.
Carbs though are an evolutionary rarity, when we found an apple tree, we would stay and eat all day.
Fats satiate you though. You will not over eat fats unless you are intentionally trying to OR also eating carbohydrates.
We dont have receptors to tell us when we are full of carbs, it is why we can crush a 20" large pizza have a food coma, then be starving 45 minutes later even thoigh we just ate 6000 calories.
Nothing you said is relevant to what I said
>Fats satiate you though. You will not over eat fats unless you are intentionally trying to OR also eating carbohydrates.
I dont share the same experience. I notice when i eat nuts is when i get into those almost unstoppable binge. I can finish off an entire bag of nuts and still dont feel satisfied. It really feels like an animal trying to pack on fat for winter.
Not the case with fruits or grains. I can easily stop myself when i eat those.
>We dont have receptors to tell us when we are full of carbs,
There are actual signalers like ghrelin and insulin for carbs. On the other hand, you can store infinite fat.
>Plus a shit ton of fat on bulks. They don't suffer from obesity.
What exactly do you think a "bulk" is, my friend?
>diet from 70s to 90s was most correct and best dietary advice for masses
kys immediately
Oil is a type of fat, yes.
Not all fats are equal.
Regardless, we've become more sedentary. In the east they rely more on public transit and walking whereas in the US and Gulf countries virtually everyone has a car that they use every single day.
What really bothers me with nutritional science is that my father and mothers generation lived to like 99 on good health. I literally work with a 90 year old woman who is spiffy and quirky and works hard as hell and talks about eating bacon and eggs and bagels etc. I think it has to do Kore with food quality and other factors. Ask your parents if anyone in their childhood had peanut allergies or was allergic to gluten or anything like that. Its deeper than just x is bad
Confirmation bias, people from 100 years ago and beyond died way more often than today, it was pretty common for a family to be very big and have a couple siblings die for a multitude of reasons. The ones that are alive today are so because they were the healthiest, more resilient of the bunch
how do people STILL not understand cico in current year?
It appears you're adding information without evidence. The colored chart is %obesity. Where did you get the information about %carbs in diet?
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You get it by studying the diets, obviously.
Link to studies?
It's not based on a "study", it's based on data.
https://ourworldindata.org/diet-compositions
You appear to be confused. Where in that chart is %carbs listed? And %fats? As was claimed in the OP?
If you actually click on the link, you'll see it.
I clicked the link and it's not there. To recap you post a pic rel when it's irrelevant. You tell me the actual data is in the link. It's not. Are you intentionally trying to waste my time? Just admit made shit up in the op without evidence
account for abdominal fat you moron.
indians accumulate fat in the abdomin
bmi is a meme. For fricksakes women and men share the same bmi formula when men have like double their muscle mass or whatever. I've also never been to bugland so i have no idea what the average bug looks like
Bugs are more human shaped than the average amerifat. Sad reality.
most people i see look good i don't live in the deep south though
There isn't a single state where the average person looks good. Do you never leave your exceptional town or city?
bullshit Pakistan and India consume so much seed and worse oils with everything
Food security by in large.
We haven't evolved to eat lots of fat. There's very little fat in the wild. Game is lean, no sneed oils, wild nuts are tiny. We evolved to eat protein and starch, with some sugar/fat when we get lucky.
>Game is lean
cannot be said enough times. destroys "paleo" delusiobs
"VEGETABLE OILS"
I wonder if there's any truth to the old claim that animal fat=bad but plant fat=good. Maybe we eat too much bacon and not enough avacados.
>If fat doesn't make you fat, then explain this.
You can do high fat or high carb not both.
All in moderation, you inbred fricking mongoloid.
when someone says 'fat is good' they arent talking about deep fried shit and milkshakes
Tell that to keto people. They are out there deep frying turkeys and making milkshakes with heavy cream
>People who eat the most
>People who eat the least
Dang
Am I going to make it bros?
No, you are eating a class A carcinogen.
You're well under starvation Calories, so no.