If humans were meant to eat meat, why do we need to cook it first? Posted on February 4, 2023 by Anonymous If humans were meant to eat meat, why do we need to cook it first?
Because our bodies arent suited to do so anymore. A good majority of us dont even have the proper jaw to live such a life of raw meat eating (we did this to ourselves) plus im pretty confident if you were in a situation where you had no choice, your gay ass could and would eat raw meat.
That applies at least as much to uncooked vegetables and many fruit.
Throw away your jawzrsize and eat a raw carrot once in a while - it's a bit too late now for developmental gains but it'll at least help strengthen what's there, especially to mitigate against aging losses.
Bc it make the meat yummy as can be
We don't need to cook it first. Raw carnivores don't cook it and they aren't starving to death.
We don't. Cooking is just for sterilization + increasing nutritional value.
But we could very well eat fresh raw meat too.
Also get fucked vegan cuck.
This, most people arent eating freshly hunted/caught animals.
>eating freshly hunted/caught animals
this was normal to me growing up, as well as knowing people who raise animals on farms
>Tfw no Mongolian wife with whom to live a basic, semi-nomadic life in the steppes and raise based kids together.
Is so much to ask for a woman with a wide face who will bear my warrior children???
Do we actually "need" to cook it first? Or do we just prefer to?
Raw meat can be delicious as long as it isn't factory farmed crap. I recommend trying raw whale if you ever go to a nation where whaling is legal.
It's explained in the SpongeBob caveman episode.
Drink water from lakes, came here 1 month later and tell us how much your ass itch
Take the pinworm pill anon.
>need to cut
>drink lake water and have homo sex (for the gains, no homo)
>eat like normal
>flush out the pin worms, tape worms and other parasites
>ez pz cut
technically we don't the living animal it's attached to has it's own immune system and all that it's mostly when it dies things get sketchy. Cooking mainly lets us eat sketchier meat. There's not even many parasites we can catch from fish or eating muscle meats of ruminants. When you get into organ meats, birds and rodents is when things get really nasty. We can't even really utilize most starches without cooking them either.
We didn't always cook our meat, cooking "predigests" the meat so that we absorb more nutrients and more energy, which fueled the evolution of the human brain. Some still eat raw meat like sushi or German raw pork dishes.
It also smells and tastes very good, which is your brain telling you to eat it for nutrients. It's why people like Hispanicy peppers, because those peppers in their environment had vitamins and minerals that their body needed. It's how traditional diets were formed.
>which fueled the evolution of the human brain
Human brain size started increasing way before we started cooking.
I don't know about that, there is definitely a period of extreme brain growth that came out of nowhere that has people in the field stumped and theorizing.
The brain growth of humans did seemingly pop out of nowhere and there are theories ranging from the stoned ape to understanding how moon phases affected tidal waves allowing access to a steady food supply to the discovery of fire as all part of this.
It wasn't like we just grew smart slowly over time, it was a spike in our evolution.
Our very understanding of the human brain is not yet complete, but the invention of fire and cooking meat was a major change in the human career, which is a theory for brain development as it coincided with the rapid increase in brain size two million years ago.
bro wtf are you talking about moon phases and shit. humans/human ancestors made hunting tools and then had way more access to meat. this massive increase in eating fresh meat (easily digestible, highly nutritious, high in energy) allowed our brains to grow massively. fire came WAY later. as soon as we started eating a shitton of meat (thanks to hunting, thanks to tools), our brains grew.
what fucking astrology did you study to learn brain size increased because of moon phases lmao
I'm not the guy talking about moon phases and all that other stuff, I am just talking about cooking meat like OP. The discovery of fire was found by human evolutionary biologists to occur around the same time as a rapid increase in human brain size. Yes of course hunting and fishing came before fire, you are talking to two different people lol.
>The discovery of fire was found by human evolutionary biologists to occur around the same time as a rapid increase in human brain size
This is not true at all. You're off by like a million years lol. My entire point is that the invention of hunting tools correlates to the time human brain size started rapidly increasing. Fire came many many years later. Did fire contribute in the middle of the increase? Maybe.
Basically 120,000 or years ago the homosapiens basically went nearly extinct. Massive famine event that nearly wiped us out, one of the oldest settlements they found showed that we basically had learned to tell patterns of the moon to harvest from the sea which basically saved our species.
They found one of the groups we ALL likely came from existed on a tidal shore during this massive famine and made the link between the recessed tides during a full moon which gave them access to larger food sources consistently. They also found garden gnomeelry and art using resources that could only be accessed during these tidal recesses caused by the moon.
It's well documented and I'm not doing it justice, but here it is if you are want to understand and learn:
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i eat raw meat 2-3times a week
we didnt back in the old days, but cooking it made a huge difference in our brain development
We still do it. It's just more expensive because food has to pass regulations to avoid parasites, bacteria and such.
Sushi and Steak Tartare are expensive compared to their cooked counterparts. But they are raw.
Sushi isn't "raw fish" you are talking about is Sashimi, Sushi is more akin to Gravlax, semi-prepped food still cold and almost raw though.
Thanks anon. Big fan of sashimi, my impression was that many varieties of sushi is in essence sashimi, but with specially prepared rice with it underneath. I know that things like unagi are cooked, but otherwise, things like pieces of sushi (not rolls) were raw.
Am I making the mistake of thinking sushi like tuna or salmon is the same as sashimi?
we didn't cook it, we fermented it first because we're adapted for eating rotten food.
it was only later when we became hunters when we already had ancestral knowledge of fire and proper fermentation and preservation were we large meat eaters.
Early hominids were likely largely scavenger omnivores that ate mostly fruits, nuts, roots, scavenged carcasses, bugs, and possibly very light hunting that would consist largely of smaller animals like lizards, rodents, smaller apes, and likely occasional cannibalism. This is all very consistent with fossil evidence and modern apes.
Apes are not adapted hunters though. Basically all animals require that they come close to another animal and use some kind of weapon that their body naturally has: claws, teeth, fists, kicks, etc.
Humans on the other had are extremely well adapted at both running and throwing. While a gorilla could break open your skull with a little low effort bonk, a man could throw decent sized rocks at high speeds causing injury. A large enough rock to the head could be fatal for any any animal. Considering the average prehistory humans were probably stronger than any modern human athlete, throwing would be very effective. Not just throwing rocks but the same mechanical advantages that make throw good make swinging good too. A cross is traditionally stronger than a jab. A 12 to 6 elbow is so powerful it's banned in the UFC. So clubbing weapons, even as crude as just large stones would be quite effective tools. The success in hunting would allow for ancestral knowledge to pass on. So better techniques and tools can evolved with us. So once extremely effective hunting tools exist it makes sense that we become large meat eaters. It's just better food and it's more certain than picking and digging, especially during colder seasons. Humans would not have such a large range if they couldn't survive the coldest regions during some of the coldest times in human history, the ice age.
furthermore, as we carry the ancestral knowledge our biology also evolves with the knowledge.
Not just at a genetic level.
Penicillin wasn't created until the 1900s
yet in a post industrial society there are so many that are fat, lazy, and stupid.
As we do not expose ourselves to harshness we become extremely weak. We choose weakness out of the fear of death.
People use to have 9+ children because only 2 or 3 would survive adulthood.
We live in a weaker age, but it is also somewhat safer.
>we became hunters when we already had ancestral knowledge of fire
Human hunting tools predate human fire by quite a few thousand years, anon.
>early hominids were mostly vegans that ate a very small amount of meat from tiny creatures
This is only true if you are talking about animals that are nothing like homo sapiens. I don't know why you would bring it up as if it was at all similar to the diet of early homo sapiens. It has nothing to do with the early diet of homo sapiens.
>12 to 6 elbow so powerful it's banned in the UFC
That ban has nothing to do with the power of that strike, but the squeamishness of the Nevada athletic commission 25+ years ago (who knew nothing about MMA, which was new at the time) and the UFC making meaningless compromises. Do you really think a 12 to 6 elbow is more powerful than any other elbow from top guard or mount? lol
>Human hunting tools predate human fire by quite a few thousand years, anon.
The oldest "hunting" tool i find valid is going to be 1.5myo hand axes, oldest fire evidence is said to be about 0.5myo
Considering a hand axe isn't a real hunting tool and that it is very hard to find evidence of fire use I will personally not be convinced of anything besides what is a logical theory.
Humans use basic tools to crack open bones, nuts, and dig for roots. This is probably a million years ago.
Human eat rotting/fermenting carcasses. humans discover fire and learn to maintain it, but cannot create it. Discovered fire is extremely useful and can improve survival. Humans become generic hunters, hunting small prey, and learn how to use tools for defense. Of course I believe tools are older than fire use, and that even fire use is older than fire creation. The myths go that man steals fire from the gods, and that only later very wise magicians can create fire. Fire preservation is very common culture in ancient civilizations. Eating carrion -> drying -> primitive fermentation -> fire cooking -> boiling
The motivation to use fire would have to be inspired by drying. I am certain of this. Earthenware is a very old technology and it is cooked earth, extremely dry. You can create crude clay creation with just drying.
When I say hunters I mean specifically specialized hunters.
I am extremely doubtful humans took on herd animals without being extremely skilled hunters with missile technology. Possibly bashing the a stray lone grazer and feasting on it within the span a few days. I do not consider that an adapted hunter though, it is more out of circumstance.
I am not saying they wouldn't be adjusted to eating raw meat, I think they would be adjusted to even eating rotting fetid meat.
>This is only true if you are talking about animals that are nothing like homo sapiens
I am, I am talking about early human species. And Homo sapiens would still be adapted in the very same way. Sapiens are not an ancient species at all, in comparison to other tool using and fire using human species. The earliest homo sapiens fossil evidence is not even a million years old.
If homo sapiens were large game hunters, which is believably by their biology, then they were born large game hunters. Genetically adapted hunters by their nature. They came into existence when fire usage was becoming popular, and preservation techniques would have already been known.
Also a 12-6 elbow would probably kill someone that was grounded. It simply has the best mechanical lever advantages of any elbow strike, when measured it will almost always be stronger than any other elbow strike.
>Also a 12-6 elbow would probably kill someone that was grounded.
>when measured it will almost always be stronger than any other elbow strike.
anon wtf are you talking about, for real. someone who truly believes this must have 0 striking experience and, I would think, has never actually watched MMA. do you think a 12-6 elbow is more powerful than a round kick to the temple?
out legs are stronger because we're leg dominant. But if you know anything about mechanical advantages you'd realize that someone swinging down a hammer would snap someone's leg mid kick easily.
Your post doesn't make any sense, and the fact you're invoking "mechanical advantages" and "hammers" instead of real, actual knowledge of humans fighting other humans (e.g. UFC) shows you have no idea what you're talking about.
Humans are tool users, there was no octagon, no regulations, they were grabbing stones and bashing each other
for fucks sake there was not even martial arts, so nothing you're saying about flying kicks to the head fucking matters.
The point of discussion from my original post was always about the idea of mechanical advantages, and how humans are adapted for swinging motions, to throw, bash, chop, cleave, etc.
No one mentioned flying kicks. Anyway, thanks for confirming you don't watch MMA or practice any martial art. Please don't post about MMA, martial arts or 12-to-6 elbows again.
I thought this was the meat vs vegans thread. What are you talking about? Are you really so much of a gay you can't go 5 minutes without thinking about a man topping another?
>huh what's going on i can't read
Why are you responding to me?
>I can't go 5 minutes without bitching and correcting people on my gay sport I know so much about
Why are YOU responding ME?
AND WHY ARE YOU DISCUSSING YOUR GAY "SPORT" ON THIS THREAD?
>a gay sport
You seem confused because you aren't making any sense right now.
Just stop shitting up threads with your off topic garbage man. If you want to discuss elbows and shit or whatever make your own homo general thread. Don't bother replying I'm closing all my tabs, already wasted 2 hours doing absolutely jack shit.
>he spent 2 hours calling anonymous people homosexual
who gonna stop me? you? I've got a big rock right here on the ground next to me, I will destroy your chinese flying dragon kick
stay seething martial art cuck
holy shit imagine being this angry that someone called you out for making up nonsense on an anonymous imageboard.
Asia pipo can eat animals while they heart still beating THOUGH
We have to cook shitloads of other vegetables too. The greatest staple of ireland the potato has to be cooked before eating.
Lots of other vegetables have more vitamins digestible because of cooking. No cunts eat raw pumpkins either. Also nuts are generally roasted before eating too.
There's a litany of foods that you need to cook before eating, not even including meat.
I hope I land 7.
>nuts are generally roasted
Most nuts will kill you extremely fast if you try to eat them raw. I think it takes like 7 raw almonds to kill a grown man. Those defense chemicals are no joke.
I eat raw almonds, walnuts and sometimes crushed hazelnuts with my oats every morning. You might be confusing almonds with something else
Ok, I did like 10 minutes of research and found out that the almonds we commonly eat are domesticated, sweet almonds. The almonds I was referring to are wild, bitter almonds. The latter are extremely poisonous. The former have much less poisonous compounds in them and that makes them safe to eat. It's just a matter of domestication. With that being said, most "raw nuts" you buy at grocery stores are pasteurized.
Thanks for correcting me—I never really looked into it before.
Nice to know about the domestication, but I ate walnuts and hazelnuts from my parents garden and tbh didn't taste much difference to those I bought and I for sure didn't pasteurize deez nuts. But I dont know about peanuts or cashews or whatever else there is out there
Almonds were only domesticated in the Middle Ages. Before that they contained toxic levels of cyanide.
if humans were meant to eat carbs. Why does it rot our teeth? if humans werent meant to eat meat, why do we turn weak without it?
Fruit don't rot teeth and honey is actually protective for teeth. Obviously humans weren't meant to eat white bread and refined sugars, anon.
>Fruit don't rot teeth
are you retarded
sugar itself isn't what rots your teeth, it's feeding the bacteria that shit all over them, and of course those bacteria can consume fructose as well as glucose
literally all you had to do was google it but I can tell facts don't mean as much as spreading your vegan propaganda to you, fucking dishonest cunt I would beat the living shit out of you if you were ever unfortunate enough to meet me irl
>fruit = fructose
Embarrassing post, anon. If you said "eating fructose powder causes cavities" I wouldn't have corrected you. Fruit (as in "fruit") (as in "sweet things that come from trees or bushes") don't rot your teeth. Also, honey is protective for teeth and still contains your scary fructose molecule. I noticed you ignored that one intentionally.
Bacteria isn't a problem if the 'terrain' is healthy. The mouth and teeth health is bad because of grain consumption messing with minerals etc.
I still eat fruits but i'm not so sure about that. Fruitarians almost always have fucked up teeth
but I agree raw honey is fine
That's because of their extreme lack of calcium, not to mention every other nutrient they're deficient in.
yeah you're probably right now that I think about it
devolved through millenia of cookig. Also, try to eat raw wheat.
If humans were meant to eat vegetables, what would they eat in the winter months?
We can easily eat and digest raw meat, as long as it from a clean animal.
Now try doing that with grains. Or with most vegetables. Find the freshest most organic potato, eat it raw and let me know how you like it
we don't. Inuit eat it raw without problem.
>If humans were meant to eat meat
Who fucking cares if we were or not? It's denser and more nutritional and makes me look like me instead of like you.
>were meant to
Is an appeal to nature logical fallacy and a pointless statement. The human body is highly resilient and adaptable it’s meant to do a wide variety of things and consume a wide variety of things
If humans were meant to eat grass why can't our bodies digest it?
gorillas spend 90% of their calories chewing bamboo and shit, its no joke, they can eat plants but have to chew it up to a fine paste, essentially predigest it in their mouths
cooking meat is what allowed us to evolve and not spend all day chewing like a god damned monkey
To avoid parasites and disease
THIS moron NEVER ATE METTBRÖTTCHEN
We don't need to, but it makes it easier to eat and digest. Cooking is one of the reasons humans evolved the way we did
Retard take. We cook most of our foods because we're not eating low nutritional raw foods all day like most animals, we only eat 3 or 4 times a day. Also, all mammals are supposed to drink milk, we can all agree on that. So how come most of the human population is lactose intolerant then? Your body adapts and doesn't keep enzymes for digesting foods that aren't in your diet. Simple as. If you've never eaten raw meat then why should your body be able to digest it?
Unrelated but it's pretty crazy how ancient humans hunted mammoth. Right?
Think about it. Tribes weren't really big enough to justify it, I'm sure some sort of deer or horse or whatever would have been more than enough to feed the tribe, I don't think they had salt to cure the meat so most of it probably went to waste. Those Mammoth's must have been really tasty. There's nothing else that could justify hunting them for food over other animals.
I guess their large hides were also really good for the cold. But how many pelts do you really need? Don't they last pretty much forever? I'm convinced humans hunted Mammoth's solely because of how good they tasted. And it's really sad we'll never get to try their meat fresh from the corpse of the beast you killed with your bros
You don't have to preserve meat when the temperature is below freezing.
Are you sure? I think it's more like a fridge where the meat would last maybe 3 or 4 days before decomposing
There's an abundance of evidence. Cave paintings, tusks carved, bones with the marks of the tools they used to separate the meat, they even found one with a spear on its rib kek.
Now that I think about it the bones of the beast were probably extremely useful for tools
>I think it's more like a fridge where the meat would last maybe 3 or 4 days before decomposing
First of all, it entirely depends whether it's 40ºF or 0ºF or even lower. Second of all, meat lasts quite a long time at 40ºF. You only think it lasts 3–4 days because you are thinking of grocery store meat, which is already weeks old by the time it reaches you.
I don't know, it just doesn't make sense to me. They couldn't carry the meat around so they'd have to set camp around the corpse. I don't know anything though so you're probably right.
There's no proof that humans were even around with mammoths.
If it's natural to kill, how come men have to go into training to learn how?
>There's an abundance of evidence. Cave paintings, tusks carved, bones with the marks of the tools they used to separate the meat, they even found one with a spear on its rib kek.
>Now that I think about it the bones of the beast were probably extremely useful for tools
Seriously, vegan and keto are the console wars of IST
A balanced diet (PC master race) is still King
fresh raw meat for the most part is fine, storing it isn't
We didn't strictly eat meat only. Even our proto human ancestors still ate tubers and legumes.
If they were starving sure. But they're not making cave paintings of fucking tubers for a reason.
cooking lets you store it
raw is fine
thanks for making it clear from the start that you are retarded
If humans were meant to eat plants, why do we need to cook them to reduce their toxicity to semi-tolerable amounts of poison?
early humans were in competition with other apes. all these questions about "why need cook meat, why need cook plants" is missing that cooking allowed us to eat what other apes couldn't. whether or not competition caused rapid evolution or not, that competition was the condition under which humans evolved.
I can never tell if it’s actually a retard vegan or bait when someone says something this stupid
the proteins are broken down via heat meaning its more energetically efficient
You don't actually need to.
then why won't my mum let me?
You don't need to. People choose to usually due to the fact that people don't know where their meat was before they got it. Good sanitary practice to brown the outside even if it's not really necessary.
You don’t “need” to cook meat, hell my vet even told me it’s risky to feed my cats raw meat which doesn’t make sense since wild cats eat raw meat they kill. If we weren’t meant not to eat meat our stomachs wouldn’t be able to extract any nutrients from it.
lol I feed my cat (and dog) prey model raw and she is the healthiest she's ever been. Kibble is so horrible for cats and dogs. Wet food is fine if the only ingredients are meat + supplements (e.g. no plant oil or plant products).
>hell my vet even told me it’s risky to feed my cats raw meat
almost every vet i've talked to has been an idiot. just don't take your pets to the vet. you see the stray cats on the street going to the doctor? how many of those packs of dogs that roam the streets of italy go and get "sensitive stomach" pills? fuck outta here
You can eat raw meat. Try eating raw beans and see how that works out
Humans were never meant to eat meat. We were meant to eat fruits, nuts and vegetables. Mans sin brought the curse of death in to the world. So now we get to enjoy delicious delicious beef, pork and chicken.
I like how more and more of fit is becoming raw meat pilled.
You don't NEED to per se, it just that our bodies evolved to not have the required gut bacteria to fight off all the bacteria in raw meat in favor of having smarter brains, you could, est raw meat as long as is sterilized
We don't need to.
It's simply safer to do so.
It's why garden gnomes and muslims forbid pork.
Sandmorons were too dumb to recognise that eating raw pork was dangerous.