So I still have my balls but shrinked,if my T lvl bounces back to base line ,can I reach a nice shape ? I was on hrt for 1,5 years , I will need gyno surgery
If I detrans can I be a fit guy again ?
So I still have my balls but shrinked,if my T lvl bounces back to base line ,can I reach a nice shape ? I was on hrt for 1,5 years , I will need gyno surgery
just work out without worrying about looking like a fit guy and embrace being a complete freak
>he fell for israeli tricks
I hate to tell you Anon but you've done permanent damage to your endocrine system out of mental illness.
You can still probably look alright but I imagine you probablt won't reach your peak like other people
I just want to be in good health tbh,im okay with my choice
I don't about any of that dysphoria stuff, but you can definitely still be fit and healthy. Just exercise and eat right, and you'll be just fine. Probably better off than most, actually. I wish you all the best, anon.
When was it? What made you turn into a troony and what made you change your mind?
I think it’s just a mental illness and I don’t want to waste the rest of life,Im just running after surgeries,I still experience dysphoria but I don’t think transition can cure it in my case
Transitions are impossible, that's why they don't cure shit. I'd prefer to be a girl, but science is just not there yet. I don't want to be a man with breasts in a dress.
Pathetic.
You’re going to transition within the next 2-4 years and hate yourself for the amount of masculinizing you went through in the meantime.
Shalom rabbi
Only real way to de-trans is putting a loaded gun against the roof of your mouth and pulling the trigger you godless homosexual.
you are trying way too hard to fit in bro
no, he's right
>godless
yikes
What you just wrote is considered a sin so youre ngmi either
Honestly just stay a troony on hrt and work out; you’re better off that way, being a man sucks for people like you. Why bother detransitioning?
>train on test suppressors
You're a demon
OP will always be a man, moron. It's better for him to accept reality, go to the gym, and do the best he can.
>Why bother?
So that OP will be less of a homosexual and not have to spend $$$ on israeli pills that will hurt his health??? Are you fricking gay bro?
Start taking steroids to reverse the effects of the estrogen
Tren will man you up
Go see a hormone doctor ASAP they might give you T and also will help you mitigate the consequences of HRT, you'll get much better advice from them than IST
Congratulations on detransitionning by the way, I am actually really proud of you, please start readong the New Testameny
google limpida substack
Dunno about mtf but ftm hormones usually bounce back. Itll probably be hell being low t for a while but israeli tricks can't beat nature
> he fell for it
Sorry, there is little you can do
You can bro I did it went from being a moronic troony to a jacked guy in a few years, lifting and working on yourself feels way better than being a Troon
Please post before after.
Hopecore required
Take raloxifene for your gyno it really helps I also recommend roiding after a while
Hell yeah bro, glad to have you back. You can still make it from here, I know you can - just gotta get yourself in the gym and be patient. In the times ahead, if you feel like you're not progressing as fast as you'd like, remember that's completely normal and everyone feels that way. Everyone. Try not to focus on coulda/woulda/shoulda or blame things on what's already happened.
If you have the resources I'd suggest it would be a positive step for you to engage with a therapist over the next year or so at least. Preferably a non-directive one who can help you explore how you feel without judging positively or negatively. It must be difficult dealing with all this change. You, and only you, have the ability to be the expert on how you want to live your life.
Why are you being nice to that deranged homosexual? If he went so far as trooning out, then he's a complete fricking degenerate. Oh, so he found out that he makes for an ugly fricking "woman" and that no lesbian wants to be in the same building as him, let alone sleep with him?? And now he's de-trooning? Wow, that must mean he became a healthy person, worthy of respect!
FRICK NO!
The only support this latent pedo should get is lessons on how to tie a rope and fricking neck himself
Jesus provides grace for all who repent.
In the afterlife, yes.
But here on earth we should spit at these homosexuals on the street and teach our kids to throw rocks at them, lest some else thinks of following in their wretched path
You're going to hell, you're far too hateful as a person.
I want to protect my children and the kids of other parents.
If you want to put the interests "repented" degenerate homosexuals above those of White children, then we'll see who burns.
Better yet i hope we meet here and settle it in person.
Based
Cringe
>implying white "children" aren't degenerate homosexuals
kek
No kid wants to take dick in their asses until people like OP convince them.
At what age did you take the first wiener in your ass, anon? And did you grow up with a single mother?
>hate is le bad
you have nothing to contribute, just contrarian parroting
You haven't read the Bible
Unhappy people try to make sure others dont improve. Do better.
Are you a woman? Because you write like a basic b***h straight from tumblr.
I care deeply about the personal growth of everyone in our society, which is why degenerates like OP must be shunned and beaten for the benefit of everyone else. And not just the troons, but all the gays also.
Homunculus is such a good manga
I wonder, doesn't the hrt permanently cripple your balls? I'm no doctor.
God bless you for crawling out of that awful shit OP, idk what health advice to give you but if you do healthy things you will probably eventually end up healthy. maybe ask a doc about TRT but idk. Get your life in order and go to church and let nothing stop you and go to that detrans reddit or whatever the frick and see if you can pull any others out of that awful shit
“Joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth.”
how old were you when you started?
nta but how fricked am i if i'm in a similar situation and started at 18.5 yrs old
T is an incredibly mighty hormone
talk to a doc about it
i'm worried bc i trooned out without consulting a doctor ngl
that's good i guess. i'm 5'2 and i still look like a boy but a teenager which is what worries me
You will develop more masculine features as your T goes up. Go to a fricking doctor
so if i stop the estrogen then i'll be fine is what you're saying?
Why would you take estrogen in the first place you stupid piece of trash
bc i'm moronic and have had identity issues since i was young. whatever.
i mean i bought it off the internet and i'm kind of scared to tell a doctor that. i also just hate doctors anyways bc i think they're partially responsible for getting people to do this shit in the first place.
yeah, i know. it's completely artificial how prevalent identity politics have become recently but i didn't know any better then. i'm almost 20 now and my biggest concern is this bullshit when it really shouldn't be.
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So I still have my balls but shrinked,if my T lvl bounces back to base line ,can I reach a nice shape ? I was on hrt for 1,5 years , I will need gyno surgery (OP)
you're going to be fine. no advice, but i hope you get some inspiration from knowing that other men understand what you've gone through and are rooting for you. you have changed a lot and you'll keep changing. direct that change. lift weights. help others.
I kinda get where you're coming from, but at the same time you're just enforcing traditional gender roles on men and that they have to be physically strong
>i mean i bought it off the internet and i'm kind of scared to tell a doctor that.
Doctors don't give a shit, they can with much worse than you on a daily basis.
You'll be better off regardless.
See a doctor either way, moron. They can help you in other ways just don't get talked into keeping this shit up any longer. It isn't sustainable.
Yes, stop estrogen take arimidex to wipe out the remaining estrogen look into raloxifene for gyno and Clomid to jumpstart your balls non surgical Troon shit is generally reversible if it's only been a few years
at 18 youve gone through the most important part of puberty. You might not reach the peak of your genetic potential but that doesnt mean you cant live like a normal male.
No refunds, goy. I feel bad for you, though - the media decided to spam identity politics to derail the occupy movement when you were still a child. Their oligarchy was being threatened, so they told the field slaves to hate the house slaves and vice versa.
It's hard to watch, I'm 36 and when I was your age what you have done to yourself was considered insane, and practiced by a tiny fringe of people, mostly gay, mostly sex workers.
you wont look as bad as fatsos if you start now, go pay a doctor a visit.
you should detransmaxx and start pinning test, become a gyno'd abomination with neither masculing nor feminine features, shave your eyebrows, get huge
Trannies detransitioning will never not be funny.
So you're admitting that you believed the gay Propaganda of Gender Identity and now see it was all lies a propaganda to femnize men?
You can admit it now, it's okay.
What made you want to detransition?
Is it the realization that you'll nver get pussy using that strategy or was it an epiphany of realizng your own degeneracy was turning you into an eneuch and a freak?
Please, tell us so we can enjoy this thread a bit more.
And I'm not even trying to be mean right now, I'm just enjoying myself and am curious.
i'm
(not op) but i'll answer you bc whatever.
>So you're admitting that you believed the gay Propaganda of Gender Identity and now see it was all lies a propaganda to femnize men?
i guess, yeah? i mean it's been apparent to me for a few months now that it's not really well-intentioned to tell the mentally ill that they can be women when it's not realistically possible. i kind of think at best i'll "pass" and be a good imitation of one but that sucks. realistically i'm stuck looking like a teenage boy like rn.
>What made you want to detransition?
uh the stuff i said earlier i guess. i'd rather be an actual girl and be able to start a family and not be dependent on the medical industry and have to worry about gay shit constantly, etc. i just think the "community" is full of delusional and misguided people who are taking it out on others a lot of the time and i know both "sides" won't like me for being a troony and saying that shit but idrc at this point. hope that helps lol
Best of luck op.
Well thanks for answering my question/post.
It's honestly tragic, for m at least, to see the exploson in numbers of detransition.
Detransition used to be so rare you'd spend you're whole life and die without overhearing of anyone detransition.
Nowadays it's so normalized that's is a reccurent and normal topic of discussion, especially on his side of the internet.
Anyways, good luck on reclaiming your femininity, as I understand you were born a female.
At least you didn't butcher your body, that's the most important thing I guess.
yeah, it's weird i guess how it's suddenly such a big thing, also transgenderism in general, beyond what could be explained as "increased awareness". but yeah, thanks. also no i was born a guy lmao
>also no i was born a guy lmao
My bad bro.
Best of luck.
Honestly,autogynephilia is real, always had phases of crossdressing since my childhood and everything that makes me feel like a woman triggers me, it's a feeling of fullness but the counterpart is body dysmorphia and I can't stand that anymore,I will never be a woman,I must accept my masculinity, and be free.
Thanks for the motivation,trying to be a better person is a more realistic goal.
>Honestly,autogynephilia is real, always had phases of crossdressing since my childhood and everything that makes me feel like a woman triggers me, it's a feeling of fullness but the counterpart is body dysmorphia and I can't stand that anymore,I will never be a woman,I must accept my masculinity, and be free.
Wow, good on you, anon.
As long as you find balance and happiness / fulfilment, I'm happy for you.
>Thanks for the motivation,trying to be a better person is a more realistic goal.
I didn't expect my post o be motivational but it's cool if it did help you feel better.
>trying to be a better person is a more realistic goal.
I have a saying for this, I don' know who I stole it from, but
- "Being Yourself" is decent advice, but the Better form of advice is "Try to be the Best Version of Yourself".
I think it applies very well here.
Troon-actvists always use this "Be yourself, you're a Trans-Woman/Man, but the rest of us who know that phraee is a trap instead focus on beng he best verson of ourselves.
Anyway, good luck with your trials and tribulations, your detransition.
I honsly hope you find balance and happiness.
>I will never be a woman,I must accept my masculinity, and be free.
Fricking based. You’ve got this brother. Lean out and strengthen up. Get yourself to an endocrinologist at some point, maybe even a test clinic if you are having too much trouble.
You now realize that "you will never be a woman" is a message of hope. You will always be a man. All you have to do is get out of its way.
I think so. It might not be on its own, for instance you might need some HGH to help fix it, but generally there shouldn't be any big problem.
Also ask a doctor, not 4chin.
just treat autogynephilia as another fetish - it's ok to indulge sometimes, but don't go full moron. You don't need to transition for that.
>i'd rather be an actual girl
Pretty much everyone sometimes wishes they were someone else, but you must be realist about which wishes are possible and therefore worth of pursuing and which not.
Frankly YWNBAW is true - current transitioning methods are mockery of nature which will never allow you to reach your goal. so just accept what you are and try to make the best with the cards you are dealt.
To all anons ITT. If you ever feel bad about yourself remember that at least your were never a gullible moron that fell for ~~*their*~~ tricks.
I WILL BE LEAN, is that you?
No,it's not.
Nope your fricked for life. Maybe should of self improved instead of listening to morons tell you your mental illness is A OK.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You fricking loser, you will never become normal again and you don't deserve it. Why? Because you were moronic enough to fall for this meme.
Why did yoou think you can become a woman? Why did you think anyone on this beautiful blue earth would ever respect you for making such a decision
if you brave enough to be a troony then you must be brave enough to pin test, blast roids and leave humanity behind
shoot roids and or have a nice day
It's so funny seeing all the christcucks in this thread, good luck OP. E is helping me androgynousmaxx and I love it, always do what's best for you and your mental health rather than what others think is best for you, there is no shame in changing your mind.