If you can't hold onto the bar, you can't lift the weight. Simple as pie.
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If you can't hold onto the bar, you can't lift the weight. Simple as pie.
If you can't hold onto the bar, you can't lift the weight. Simple as pie.
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>straps are.. LE BAD
I can actually grip the weight I use for RDLs but I use straps anyway because it allows me to fully focus on my posterior chain without worrying about my grip. Plus I have to do db BSS after so I'd rather not fatigue my grip beforehand
That's fine if you're trying to do that for RDLs. But for conv. deadlifts, it should be completely raw.
I love hitting it raw
>because I say so
What compels midwits to come up with weird positions and frame them as platitudes
I don't have a dog in the fight yet since I've never used straps or a belt. Seems kinda dumb to bash it all together. If grip is a bottle neck, and straps allow you to go heavier... Why not?
Can always work on grip strength. I did mixed grip forever with deadlifts til somebody on here said it was gay.
Also considering using gloves for hex bar farmer carries. The bar is pretty thin, and the grip is awkward. And if gloves allow me to do longer reps it's a win.
Sidenote, carries are frickin goat. They hit my traps and forearms so good.
>straps allow you to go heavier... Why not?
Why are you lifting something you can't even hold onto?
Because I don’t care what internet strangers think
Apathy isn't a good trait to have, your grip would thank you if you lifted raw more.
You can just do weighted dead hangs or axle bar holds if you want to work on your grip you know
>doing correctly
Is there a frickin judge in my gym going "zero, zero, zero" while I'm lifting? Lmao what is this
Yeah, me. Why don't you just hook a engine crane to the barbell to hold it for you?
>weighted deadhangs or axle bar holds
>auxiliary hoop-jumping instead of doing the actual deadlift
you got mogged by your own hands homie, you literally can't lift over 400 lbs. because your hands are too weak
>Yeah, me.
Why the frick are you in my house bro?
>Why don't you just hook a engine crane to the barbell to hold it for you?
Because I can use straps instead
hoop-jumping instead of doing the actual deadlift
The deadlift is for the posterior chain. If I want to work on my grip I can do an actual grip exercise. This isn't complicated lol
>you got mogged by your own hands homie, you literally can't lift over 400 lbs. because your hands are too weak
There is a difference between not being able to do it and being able to do it while choosing not to. Also literally nobody cares, just get your deadlift strong straps or no straps. You cannot seriously tell me that a guy deadlifting 800lb with straps is less impressive than someone deadlifting 315lb without straps lol
>The deadlift is for the posterior chain
The deadlift is a full-body exercise.
>able to do it and being able to do it while choosing not to
Reject soft nature.
>You cannot seriously tell me that a guy deadlifting 800lb with straps is less impressive than someone deadlifting 315lb without straps lol
Yes. He couldn't hold onto the bar. You know who's strong and who has a strong deadlift? Benedikt Magnusson.
>The deadlift is a full-body exercise.
Yes, it involves the upper body and the lower body, because the posterior chain is comprised of muscles in the lower body (glutes, hammies, calves) and muscles in the upper body (erectors and other back muscles eg lats/upper back)
>Reject soft nature.
Reject stupidity. If my grip is highly fatigued from lots of heavy pullups, rows, split squats, etc, why should I limit my posterior chain to what my forearms can handle instead of just using straps? Do what gives the best results instead of abiding by arbitrary standards from dumbasses on the internet
>Yes. He couldn't hold onto the bar.
Okay so if the guy ditched the straps, his deadlift would go from 800lb to under 315lb? The frick are you smoking bro?
>because the posterior chain is comprised of muscles in the lower body (glutes, hammies, calves) and muscles in the upper body (erectors and other back muscles eg lats/upper back)
And forearms (AKA grip)
>If my grip is highly fatigued from lots of heavy pullups, rows, split squats, etc, why should I limit my posterior chain to what my forearms can handle instead of just using straps?
Why are you doing a bunch of auxiliary lifts before deadlifting? Are you moronic?
>Okay so if the guy ditched the straps, his deadlift would go from 800lb to under 315lb?
Probably not that far down. If we are talking full ROM, conventional deadlift with zero assistance gear. I'd say around 490 or something a little more or less, I don't know.
If you don't care about what people think of you, why not do raw? It's more of a challenge and forces you to adapt to it.
>Why are you doing a bunch of auxiliary lifts before deadlifting? Are you moronic?
Fatigue persisting from prior sessions. If my forearms are still sore why would I try to train them?
>If we are talking full ROM, conventional deadlift with zero assistance gear. I'd say around 490 or something a little more or less, I don't know.
No frickin way lmao; I can understand this logic if we're talking about hyper-optimized sumo deadlifts (figure 8 straps, pound plates, extra whippy bar, ultra wide stance, etc) but if we're talking conventional this would never happen. At the very most he'd be 100lb lower, which is still extremely impressive and would mog 99.999% of IST
>If you don't care about what people think of you, why not do raw? It's more of a challenge and forces you to adapt to it.
Because there are only four methods of gripping the bar, and I don't like any of them besides double overhand with straps. You have three options:
>double overhand raw
>mixed grip
>hook
>double overhand with straps
Double overhand raw doesn't work past the novice stage because it's too weak so that one is out. Hook is also out because some people are incapable of doing hook grip properly due to their hands, and I'm willing to bet that you consider hook cheating anyway so whatever. This leaves mixed grip and double overhand with straps. Mixed grip has multiple flaws; one, asymmetrical muscular development due the different arm lengths (externally rotated arm becomes shorter) to the point where it can be easily pointed out in certain individuals; two, the possibility of a bicep tear. Yes, I know that if you're natty and if you don't bend your arm at the start of the pull the chance of one happening is low, but it's still MUCH higher than having your arm in a pronated or neutral position, so I don't see why you should risk something that can be easily avoided.
>I can understand this logic if we're talking about hyper-optimized sumo deadlifts (figure 8 straps, pound plates, extra whippy bar, ultra wide stance, etc) but if we're talking conventional this would never happen. At the very most he'd be 100lb lower, which is still extremely impressive and would mog 99.999% of IST
Ye of little faith. https://youtube.com/shorts/Xjcf1BlgrQQ?si=Kp7yPNRPvpjx-WS3
>Double overhand raw doesn't work past the novice stage because it's too weak so that one is out
>a harder exercise that challenges the body more and is less used by most people except for elite lifters is for babbys
wat
>consider hook cheating anyway so whatever
It's in a grey zone for me, it's just hand technique. It still applies a significant amount of force on your grip.
>mixed grip
>the possibility of a bicep tear meme
You're not lifting with your arms anon, you're standing up with the bar.
Look man, if you want to isolate your back and legs with strapped deadlift. Go ahead, I don't care. But don't tell me that you can deadlift 750+ lbs. with straps and sumo stancing and belts and sleeves and other shit. It's like saying you can drive a race car when you're just sitting inside of a bullet train.
Too long didn't read I'm training for hypertrophy primarily and most other anons are competing where your big numbers and rules matter
*Aren't
>Ye of little faith. https://youtube.com/shorts/Xjcf1BlgrQQ?si=Kp7yPNRPvpjx-WS3
This guy pulls like >300lb more without grip being a limiting factor which proves my point lol
>>a harder exercise that challenges the body more and is less used by most people except for elite lifters is for babbys
>wat
Double overhand challenges the body LESS, because your grip will give out long before your posterior chain does. I can do a set of double overhand deadlifts to failure and I won't feel anywhere near as fatigued compared to if I do a set of mixed or strapped deadlifts to failure because my posterior chain is barely doing anything due to my grip failing so much earlier
>It's in a grey zone for me, it's just hand technique. It still applies a significant amount of force on your grip.
Fair enough
>You're not lifting with your arms anon, you're standing up with the bar.
Yes, but if you frick up and accidentally load your bicep tendon, that shit is going bye bye. I don't see why I should risk it, it just isn't worth it to me
>Why do two exercises for one thing?
Why do one thing that does two things rather poorly when I can do two things that do the single thing that they are tasked with doing extremely well?
>Apparently not.
I don't think you understand why those things make the lift easier. When pulling sumo, the bottom of the lift is generally the easiest, which is why people say that if you can get the weight off the floor, you're going to make the lift. Figure 8 straps, pound plates, and a very whippy bar all make the bottom of the lift significantly easier (figure 8 straps allow you to pull from a higher position via fingertipping; pound plates and a whippy bar make it so that the plates don't even leave the floor until you've pulled the bar a fair distance) which is how you get these insane discrepancies. If we're talking conventional, this doesn't happen at all since conventional pullers often struggle higher up in the lift.
Also in
I was referring to mixed vs straps, not double overhand vs straps. Obviously there's going to be a 100-300lb discrepancy between double overhand and straps, but between mixed and straps that often isn't the case with many people having their strapped pull be only 20lb higher than their mixed pull
>Why do one thing that does two things rather poorly when I can do two things that do the single thing that they are tasked with doing extremely well?
Deadlifts work everything perfectly, it's why it's the king of lifts. Saves time and is more efficient to just do those, I'm not a bodybuilder trying to work certain muscles. I'm trying to lift heavy shit as hard and fast as possible.
>If we're talking conventional, this doesn't happen at all since conventional pullers often struggle higher up in the lift.
I know, it's sad. The invention of straps and belts and other gimmicks have been lifting into a pish posh thing. If more people just lifted raw, we would be better off.
>Deadlifts work everything perfectly, it's why it's the king of lifts.
Isn't the barbell squat the king of all lifts? Deadlift is a good second place though
>Saves time and is more efficient to just do those, I'm not a bodybuilder trying to work certain muscles. I'm trying to lift heavy shit as hard and fast as possible.
Fair enough as long as you aren't one of those powershitters who rest 15 minutes between sets. There are videos out of there of strong deadlifters (600lb+) doing a full deadlift session in under 10 minutes so you definitely can save time that way
>I know, it's sad. The invention of straps and belts and other gimmicks have been lifting into a pish posh thing. If more people just lifted raw, we would be better off.
My point is that when comparing mixed grip with straps, the discrepancy between them on conventional is fairly minimal compared to sumo. I still use a belt out of habit but I probably don't need one since my erectors are giant and whenever I've gone without one my numbers are basically the same
I just lift hard and fast, I rest for a minute or 2 and go when I feel like I'm ready. I'm not trying to get a world class deadlift or have dorsal fin spinal erectors. I'm just trying to get stronger and more robust, and I've found that through deadlifting raw, as I believe it was intended, is the way to do this (run on sentence but whatever)
I'm very sleepy, I don't want to make enemies with people for no reason. I just don't believe in using straps or gear to lift and it just comes down to the simplest thing:
If you can't hold it, you can't lift it.
>bro i can deadlift 750lbs. !!
>sumo stance, belt, shit rom, straps, sleeves, suit, wraps
>but bro i am getting stronger because i can lift 750 for 1 instead of 745 for 1!
>>but bro i am getting stronger because i can lift 750 for 1 instead of 745 for 1!
Yes.
Sounds like you're mad for no reason.
If you operated a crane, and picked up a car with the boom, would you say you're strong enough to lift a car?
Why can't you just hold the weight?
if you want your muscles to get stronger, do harder things like raw deadlifts
>would you say you're strong enough to lift a car?
Yeah because the crane is using my muscles.
>if you want your muscles to get stronger, do harder things like raw deadlifts
Deadlifting less weight makes my muscles stronger?
Why sacrifice the entire body for the sake of the smallest muscle involved?
>I'm very sleepy, I don't want to make enemies with people for no reason. I just don't believe in using straps or gear to lift and it just comes down to the simplest thing: If you can't hold it, you can't lift it.
Yeah getting angry at each other over miniscule shit like this is dumb, as long as you're lifting you're good in my book. As for myself, while I do have my own thoughts on what the ""best"" way to lift is, it doesn't matter: as long as you're putting in lots of effort and making progress, you're doing well. Deadlift with straps or no straps I don't care, use a belt or don't use one, squat with heels or no heels, bench close grip wide grip medium grip whatever, do curls with a barbell ez bar dumbbells cables machines whatever the hell, doesn't matter. Just put in the effort and make progress.
And another point, we will be lifting for decades (or at least I hope you guys will be), which is more than enough time to cycle through all the major lifts and variations (or at least the relevant ones), so arguing about which one is better is pointless because we'll probably go through everything eventually. As an example I've gone through periods where I did nothing but heavy good mornings and barbell back extensions for the posterior chain, but I don't claim these to be the end all be all of posterior chain training. Deadlifts, RDLs, SLDLs, hell even jefferson curls are also great ways to train the posterior chain.
>But don't tell me that you can deadlift 750+ lbs
Sounds like cope. Weight goes up = lift.
Also, wouldn't you think it's a better feat to lift raw? You see everyone lift with straps and belts, but what about just raw. What about this big homie?
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>Also, wouldn't you think it's a better feat to lift raw? You see everyone lift with straps and belts, but what about just raw. What about this big homie?
Sure, if you have a guy pulling 800lb with straps and a guy pulling 800lb without straps, the latter is more impressive. However, I see no reason why you need to avoid using straps in training since there is no difference between the stimulus the forearms get from deadlifting and the stimulus they get from actual grip exercises (weighted dead hangs, fat grip/axle bar holds, etc). Therefore, if you deadlift with straps and train your grip separately, you could walk in and pull your max without straps just fine, or at least within 20lb of it.
Why do two exercises for one thing? If you're strengthen your WHOLE body, just do raw deadlifts. Not strapped deadlifts and weighted deadhangs or fat grips.
>Therefore, if you deadlift with straps and train your grip separately, you could walk in and pull your max without straps just fine, or at least within 20lb of it.
Apparently not.
>No frickin way lmao; I can understand this logic if we're talking about hyper-optimized sumo deadlifts (figure 8 straps, pound plates, extra whippy bar, ultra wide stance, etc) but if we're talking conventional this would never happen. At the very most he'd be 100lb lower, which is still extremely impressive and would mog 99.999% of IST
Because I want to train my muscles to get stronger instead of being limited
>another episode of "anon's coping because he saw some teen repping his 1RM and this time he's using straps as an ego crutch"
How can he do more multiple reps of something he isn't even doing correctly?
>proving (Me) right by using straps as an ego crutch
Cheers anon, try not to get buck broken after getting strength mogged by a teen next time
I think you think this. And for that, I'm sorry.
I feel sorry for your weak grip anon.
Is your brain fried? are you arguing against straps or for them?
I'm arguing against weaklings like you
I think I struck a nerve when I'm telling you can't actually pick up 400+ lbs. when you're using a completely separate form of assistance to hold on and lift a weight.
>getting this mad because of getting called weak
Idk bro, just get stronger if the truth hurts you that much. Your 300lbs diddly is a good start tho.
Anon, you lift the same. Actually, probably less if that's what you're doing raw. I'm up to 440 lbs raw for 1. If I took off your straps, what would you be able to lift for 3 reps? If I took away your training wheels, would you ride or fall?
>If I took off your straps, what would you be able to lift for 3 reps?
441lbs just to have a laugh at your weak grip.
You can't hold onto the bar.
>specialize in grip for 2 months
>can now hold onto the bar
Why not just deadlift raw?
Because I like using straps?
Why? Is it a sensational thing?
It's easier to focus on utilizing the posterior chain when I don't have to think about gripping the bar as hard as possible so that it doesn't slip out of my hands
Ok
I think we're arguing on two different wave lengths. You care more about the hypertrophy part or getting the number big in any way possible. I just want to lift heavy shit really hard and fast.
>I just want to lift heavy shit really hard and fast
>440lbs 1rm
skill issue
Yes I can lol. I got a +155lbs chin up as well. I'd also beat you at arm wrestling.
You're just kinda weak bro.
Well, why are you using straps? Are you just moronic?
Because I'm high IQ.
I don't care, straps are great and I'm not competing
I usually do 4 sets of heavy dumbell shrugs twice a week and I use Versa Grips for them. Worry about your training and if you hit enough volume heavy enough you would see why people use straps on their pull day.
you don't need straps for light weights and you don't use light weights for shrugs. you might as well be one of those people jumping in the air on the cable tricep pulldown
At this point I legit can't tell if incels like OP are just trolling or being actually low IQ.
>all this posturing for a lmao4.5pl8 deadlift
not even worth a (You)
my deadlift be like that too
my forearms say "no" but the rest of my body wants to do more
If you can't squat high bar ass to grass and resort to low bar, you can't lift the weight.
If you can only squat 275 because you insist on squatting "ass to grass" then you "can't squat the weight" ("the weight" being a good squat)
Tell me, who is stronger: the person who squats 405 low bar, or the person who squats 405 high bar ass to grass?
Probably the high bar squatter because he also deadlifts 600+ (he has an artificially low squat relative to his other lifts because he has handicapped it by insisting on going "ass to grass")
I’ve never used straps or a belt for any of my lifts, not even deadlifting.
If you don't use straps, you are leaving gains on the table. Simple as. You can train your grip in the warm up reps and with other lifts. If you put stupid limits on yourself, you are stupid.