There is no good solution if you are like me. Some nights I just know I will be until 3 am. Just accept it and do something with that time instead of laying in bed suffering.
Best advice I have is to fully cut out caffeine though. I have noticed its effects last WAY longer than "science" would tell you. There is probably some unknown effect on the circadian rhythm such that even if all the caffeine is out of your system by bed time, a coffee at noon still affects your ability to fall asleep.
You literally have to be moving around all day long so you're tired by the sunset. I struggle going to sleep too but when I'm backpacking in the mountains it's way easier to fall down and sleep on the ground because I'm so exhausted. And nights are a little spoopy when you're on the mountain alone.
It depends. Some psychological conditions like ADHD will inevitably frick you over in terms of getting a good sleep.
In terms of life style choices:
>Get sunlight in the morning >Keep yourself physically active >Avoid blue light screens before bed, or use a screen dimmer or blue light blocking glasses >ZMA an hour before bed
Also avoid alcohol. Cannabis can be the lesser of two evils if it helps you get to sleep. Not sleeping is the worst thing for you.
I turn all my screens and lights off at least an hour before I intend to fall asleep. That does seem to help somewhat. I also flush out my sinuses with saline.
>insomniac who has plenty of time to sleep
99.9999999999% you are a loser with not enough going on in your life and you spend way too much time on the computer. get a real job and you will sleep.
I switched over to incandescent light bulbs in my bedroom. Man went to sleep for thousands of years next to red, warm heat based light sources, from fire to candles to incandescent light bulbs. If you do some research, basically incandescents aid in producing melatonin for your body because it compromises of both long and short wavelengths and all colors on the spectrum from red to blue. They also don't flicker like LEDs, but glow which is important to preventing eyesight strain. All LEDs flicker whether you consciously notice it or not and contribute to eyestrain and headaches.
Now, LEDs are cold sources of light that compromise of only short wavelengths and blue spectrum of light which is what prevents melatonin production and keeps your body from feeling sleepy and getting quality sleep. People will say to get warmer colored LEDs but they don't fix the fact that they do not have the missing wavelengths and spectrum of color as incandescents. Look into Red Ligjt Therapy to see benefits people are having with the missing wavelengths.
The Biden administration banned certain incandescent light bulbs claiming LEDs are perfect replacements as the LEDs are energy efficient whereas incandescents are not. While this is true, the energy inefficiency of incandescents, which result in generating heat, outweigh the money and energy saved from LEDs through health benefits. My eyesight has improved, I get less headaches, I am extremely energetic in the evenings with these bulbs on, and when its time for bed I can eagerly fall asleep.
While some bulbs are banned,.there are plenty available for purchase still at your local hardware store because of exceptions. You can get 60 watt colored incandescent light bulbs, 2100k-2200k in color spectrum, or 40 watt 2700k bulbs.
I highly recommend every anon to switch over to these bulbs in the bedroom. The only drawbacks are electricity costs going up and your room temperature going up a few degrees but to me the health benefits outweigh it.
Remember, humanity has always slept next to warm heat based sources of light, not souless cold based sources of light.
I also keep a Himalayan salt lamp next to bed with a 15 watt incandescent light bulb. I turn off all the lights for bedtime but they're basically part of my night routine.
I highly recommend every anon to switch over to these bulbs in the bedroom. The only drawbacks are electricity costs going up and your room temperature going up a few degrees but to me the health benefits outweigh it.
Remember, humanity has always slept next to warm heat based sources of light, not souless cold based sources of light.
I also keep a Himalayan salt lamp next to bed with a 15 watt incandescent light bulb. I turn off all the lights for bedtime but they're basically part of my night routine.
Thanks, when the ban went into effect I basically did a deep dive into why people were upset at the ban and learned about all the health benefits. The fact that the free markets did not phase out these bulbs because their was clear demand was very telling. I hope the ban gets reversed by the next administration and I do believe it was done for more nefarious reasons. Anyways, for any anons reading still, I bought all my lightbulbs AFTER the ban using whatever bulbs were exempt. Home depot/Lowes has plenty in stock. Pic rel on exemptions. And minor typo correction, i keep spelling comprise as compromise lol,
You know, the ban in EU came into action 10 years ago. Frick EU
When they change steet lights they always introduce blue LEDs. It's matter of time until those frickers are everywhere. Frick EU.
Just like you I have salt lamp by my bed. Finding halogenic lamps is easy but they are branded as "industrial" that should not be used at home.
Pic related is something I took the other weeek in a hypermarket for kids toys and junk. You can see the fricking glow and the flickers frick up the brain and nervous system.
Are there no exemptions for incandescents in EU? Appliance bulbs need to be incandescents with the unfortunate drawback of only being 15 watts, so not that bright. And yeah LEDs are everywhere especially businesses, as they pinch pennies to maximize profits, it results in the reduction in quality of life. All I do is try to minimize exposure in these businesses by shopping quickly lol.
>All I do is try to minimize exposure in these businesses by shopping quickly lol.
Same. Because I would have a terrible headache after staying in ilea for an hour.
My first job had cheap luminescent lights in the office. I know I am hyper sensitive which is rare but those gave me terrible pain.
As for incandescent you can find those. Any colour you like it and any power - 50W, 75W, 100W, whatever. But those burn out really quickly. Sometimes matter of days or weeks. Don't know why. They used to make them better years ago.
Also in the pic anon provided, (b) is a perfect demonstration how incandescents have all colors of light on the spectrum and both short and long wavelengths where as (e) LEDs mostly have blue light with short wavelengths at a strong intensity.
If you've tried all of the sleep hygiene memes without success, you can try:
melatonin (low dose, more than 2mg is counter intuitive), ashwagandha, doxylamine or other sedating anti-histamines, low dose mirtazapine, ultra low dose quetiapine
of these doxylamine and quetiapine would be the most effective, quetiapine is technically an 'antipsychotic' but up to around 50mg it's basically just an anti-histamine, dopaminergic effects don't start until around 300+mg
>always go to sleep at the same time >minimal light for 20 minutes before bed >no lights when trying to go to sleep (black out curtains, no computer lights, no screens: near blackout conditions) >no screens on all night, not even for a moment >no screens on at night! they're actively trying to kill your sleep >every second of light at night is making it more likely you won't sleep >always stay in bed until your wakeup time >always get out of bed and look at bright lights after you wake up after some threshold wakeup time, you can try to fall asleep if its just before this threshold time, but after that time you get up if you're awake >you have to be casually, and with little effort, not deliberately thinking about anything and not controlling your thoughts in any way >i recommend looking up guided self hypnosis, trance, and meditation routines on youtube to follow to get into a trance-like state >mind-wandering isn't enough! you have to be virtually not participating in your thoughts
Generally: get healthy (healthy body weight, no diabetes, regular blood pressure, etc), don't be stressed, don't eat/drink caffeine 5 hours before bed, don't drink a frickton of water before bed (unless you've already confirmed it doesn't frick your sleep up), don't eat a huge meal just before bed (unless, again, you've confirmed its ok)
The progress indicators for sleep are: >1. see random colored blobs in visual field >2. tingling or vibration sensations on limbs >3. loss of sensation on limbs >4. see brief images in visual field and hear brief sounds >5. loss of proprioception. you no longer know where your limbs are >6. loss of bodily awareness at a conceptual level (out of body experiences). you can really believe you're located in a different location >7. complex images and sounds that last some time >8. entering a dream scene fully
Your goal should be to get to the next progress indicator. But this can't be an effortful thing!
Wtf is this thread? Give the guy some advice jesus christ.
My advice to you:
- Look into the bright sky right before you wash your face in the morning to reset your circadian rythm or go for a walk in the sunshine.
- Magnesium 4 hours before bed
- Buy blue-light blocking glasses if you look at screens before sleep or just turn off all lights and screens
- Dont eat a big meal 3 hours before sleep.
- Drink warm milk with some raw honey right before bed
- Write down all your thoughts in a journal
- And most importantly relax
Changing light bulbs is solid advice. Don't underestimate it. We're bombarded by blue light all day in modern society. It impacts health in ways we never think about.
MK677, sleep like baby, get mad gains. Is not anabolic. Is not steroid. Combine with diphenhydramine & melatonin to get the best fricking sleep of your life. You will wake up feeling like a new man.
Just close your eyes and count to ten. Easy.
There is no good solution if you are like me. Some nights I just know I will be until 3 am. Just accept it and do something with that time instead of laying in bed suffering.
Best advice I have is to fully cut out caffeine though. I have noticed its effects last WAY longer than "science" would tell you. There is probably some unknown effect on the circadian rhythm such that even if all the caffeine is out of your system by bed time, a coffee at noon still affects your ability to fall asleep.
is that a guy?
yes
For you
if you can't tell that's a man, there's something legitimately wrong with you
Melatonin and Phenergan
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Smoke a lil weed? Hehe I smokes a lil weed and get to snoozin
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Is that V?
I think it might be timmy boy
I think I have sleep apnea so I just bought a SnoreRx to wear.
You literally have to be moving around all day long so you're tired by the sunset. I struggle going to sleep too but when I'm backpacking in the mountains it's way easier to fall down and sleep on the ground because I'm so exhausted. And nights are a little spoopy when you're on the mountain alone.
That’s just not realistic for those of us that are white collar.
It depends. Some psychological conditions like ADHD will inevitably frick you over in terms of getting a good sleep.
In terms of life style choices:
>Get sunlight in the morning
>Keep yourself physically active
>Avoid blue light screens before bed, or use a screen dimmer or blue light blocking glasses
>ZMA an hour before bed
Also avoid alcohol. Cannabis can be the lesser of two evils if it helps you get to sleep. Not sleeping is the worst thing for you.
Does ZMA actually work? I’ve been taking magnesium before bed but it makes me jittery.
It does seem to help me - but in the worst case scenario it will just help you with muscle recovery while you sleep if you've been lifting.
Are you having anything else with the ZMA at the same time?
It’s just flavored magnesium powder mixed with water.
Use blue light filter after sunset.
Replace your LED lights with old fluorescent lights.
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I used to look just like this. Goddamn how did I recover.
I turn all my screens and lights off at least an hour before I intend to fall asleep. That does seem to help somewhat. I also flush out my sinuses with saline.
>insomniac who has plenty of time to sleep
99.9999999999% you are a loser with not enough going on in your life and you spend way too much time on the computer. get a real job and you will sleep.
homosexual.
one cup of milk and honey
Twink boobs
I switched over to incandescent light bulbs in my bedroom. Man went to sleep for thousands of years next to red, warm heat based light sources, from fire to candles to incandescent light bulbs. If you do some research, basically incandescents aid in producing melatonin for your body because it compromises of both long and short wavelengths and all colors on the spectrum from red to blue. They also don't flicker like LEDs, but glow which is important to preventing eyesight strain. All LEDs flicker whether you consciously notice it or not and contribute to eyestrain and headaches.
Now, LEDs are cold sources of light that compromise of only short wavelengths and blue spectrum of light which is what prevents melatonin production and keeps your body from feeling sleepy and getting quality sleep. People will say to get warmer colored LEDs but they don't fix the fact that they do not have the missing wavelengths and spectrum of color as incandescents. Look into Red Ligjt Therapy to see benefits people are having with the missing wavelengths.
The Biden administration banned certain incandescent light bulbs claiming LEDs are perfect replacements as the LEDs are energy efficient whereas incandescents are not. While this is true, the energy inefficiency of incandescents, which result in generating heat, outweigh the money and energy saved from LEDs through health benefits. My eyesight has improved, I get less headaches, I am extremely energetic in the evenings with these bulbs on, and when its time for bed I can eagerly fall asleep.
While some bulbs are banned,.there are plenty available for purchase still at your local hardware store because of exceptions. You can get 60 watt colored incandescent light bulbs, 2100k-2200k in color spectrum, or 40 watt 2700k bulbs.
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I highly recommend every anon to switch over to these bulbs in the bedroom. The only drawbacks are electricity costs going up and your room temperature going up a few degrees but to me the health benefits outweigh it.
Remember, humanity has always slept next to warm heat based sources of light, not souless cold based sources of light.
I also keep a Himalayan salt lamp next to bed with a 15 watt incandescent light bulb. I turn off all the lights for bedtime but they're basically part of my night routine.
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Great post
Thanks, when the ban went into effect I basically did a deep dive into why people were upset at the ban and learned about all the health benefits. The fact that the free markets did not phase out these bulbs because their was clear demand was very telling. I hope the ban gets reversed by the next administration and I do believe it was done for more nefarious reasons. Anyways, for any anons reading still, I bought all my lightbulbs AFTER the ban using whatever bulbs were exempt. Home depot/Lowes has plenty in stock. Pic rel on exemptions. And minor typo correction, i keep spelling comprise as compromise lol,
You know, the ban in EU came into action 10 years ago. Frick EU
When they change steet lights they always introduce blue LEDs. It's matter of time until those frickers are everywhere. Frick EU.
Just like you I have salt lamp by my bed. Finding halogenic lamps is easy but they are branded as "industrial" that should not be used at home.
Pic related is something I took the other weeek in a hypermarket for kids toys and junk. You can see the fricking glow and the flickers frick up the brain and nervous system.
Are there no exemptions for incandescents in EU? Appliance bulbs need to be incandescents with the unfortunate drawback of only being 15 watts, so not that bright. And yeah LEDs are everywhere especially businesses, as they pinch pennies to maximize profits, it results in the reduction in quality of life. All I do is try to minimize exposure in these businesses by shopping quickly lol.
>All I do is try to minimize exposure in these businesses by shopping quickly lol.
Same. Because I would have a terrible headache after staying in ilea for an hour.
My first job had cheap luminescent lights in the office. I know I am hyper sensitive which is rare but those gave me terrible pain.
As for incandescent you can find those. Any colour you like it and any power - 50W, 75W, 100W, whatever. But those burn out really quickly. Sometimes matter of days or weeks. Don't know why. They used to make them better years ago.
>ilea
It's ikea in case someone is wondering
Also in the pic anon provided, (b) is a perfect demonstration how incandescents have all colors of light on the spectrum and both short and long wavelengths where as (e) LEDs mostly have blue light with short wavelengths at a strong intensity.
If you've tried all of the sleep hygiene memes without success, you can try:
melatonin (low dose, more than 2mg is counter intuitive), ashwagandha, doxylamine or other sedating anti-histamines, low dose mirtazapine, ultra low dose quetiapine
of these doxylamine and quetiapine would be the most effective, quetiapine is technically an 'antipsychotic' but up to around 50mg it's basically just an anti-histamine, dopaminergic effects don't start until around 300+mg
>always go to sleep at the same time
>minimal light for 20 minutes before bed
>no lights when trying to go to sleep (black out curtains, no computer lights, no screens: near blackout conditions)
>no screens on all night, not even for a moment
>no screens on at night! they're actively trying to kill your sleep
>every second of light at night is making it more likely you won't sleep
>always stay in bed until your wakeup time
>always get out of bed and look at bright lights after you wake up after some threshold wakeup time, you can try to fall asleep if its just before this threshold time, but after that time you get up if you're awake
>you have to be casually, and with little effort, not deliberately thinking about anything and not controlling your thoughts in any way
>i recommend looking up guided self hypnosis, trance, and meditation routines on youtube to follow to get into a trance-like state
>mind-wandering isn't enough! you have to be virtually not participating in your thoughts
Generally: get healthy (healthy body weight, no diabetes, regular blood pressure, etc), don't be stressed, don't eat/drink caffeine 5 hours before bed, don't drink a frickton of water before bed (unless you've already confirmed it doesn't frick your sleep up), don't eat a huge meal just before bed (unless, again, you've confirmed its ok)
The progress indicators for sleep are:
>1. see random colored blobs in visual field
>2. tingling or vibration sensations on limbs
>3. loss of sensation on limbs
>4. see brief images in visual field and hear brief sounds
>5. loss of proprioception. you no longer know where your limbs are
>6. loss of bodily awareness at a conceptual level (out of body experiences). you can really believe you're located in a different location
>7. complex images and sounds that last some time
>8. entering a dream scene fully
Your goal should be to get to the next progress indicator. But this can't be an effortful thing!
Wtf is this thread? Give the guy some advice jesus christ.
My advice to you:
- Look into the bright sky right before you wash your face in the morning to reset your circadian rythm or go for a walk in the sunshine.
- Magnesium 4 hours before bed
- Buy blue-light blocking glasses if you look at screens before sleep or just turn off all lights and screens
- Dont eat a big meal 3 hours before sleep.
- Drink warm milk with some raw honey right before bed
- Write down all your thoughts in a journal
- And most importantly relax
Changing light bulbs is solid advice. Don't underestimate it. We're bombarded by blue light all day in modern society. It impacts health in ways we never think about.
MK677, sleep like baby, get mad gains. Is not anabolic. Is not steroid. Combine with diphenhydramine & melatonin to get the best fricking sleep of your life. You will wake up feeling like a new man.