I'm at my breaking point. My entire life I have struggled with constant body dysmorphia, every tiny insincerity completely takes over my mind and because of this, I know I can't trust my own perception of my body. So I want it straight, laid out for me, the pros and the cons, and what the hell I can do to fix them. I've been mistaken for a ftm transgender before in this site and I'll post my progress pics in the thread.
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cute boybreasts I want to lick them before I pound you from behind lil gay
I would assume you're MTF, manly gorilla arms + b***h breasts
you need to lose weight and go see a doctor about your gyno before it gets too bad.
It's not gyno OP, you just have excess body fat stored in fairly unfortunate places.
Lose weight and lift, stop being a homosexual.
This man is halfway there. Now he just looks like a dyel. Needs to go hard now that he has a normalish body.
>breh there's no way this is the same g-
>same tat
holy frick
good progress but your breasts were nothing like OP's breasts, in your case it was just fat, OP's breasts are very very feminine looking, I think its good for him to get it checked by a doctor.
Not the guy from the whitepill, but OP should lose weight in any case, and then he'll know for sure.
As you start to lose weight the fat stored in your moobs will start decreasing as well, if it's not gyno of course.
Dude you look straight out of Dr Seuss in that first pic, my God.
Good progress though, keep that shit up.
>it’s not gyno
>said the man with gyno
lel
That's actually amazing. Dude has really great skin elasticity. Though now that he has a "normal" body he needs to actually lift because he still looks bad
not bad. how long in between the pics? still got a long way to go, but still miring that progress regardless.
u got gyno. get your hormones checked b***h boi.
Start counting your calories, dumbass.
lift heavy
It's not dysmorphia you have an accurate perception of your body and it's ugly
I used to be insecure about my body hair
I thought I was too hair
I definitely have bd
See a doctor.
Do planks.
Stop eating so much.
I have decently sized abs, just not visible
how do you know they're decently sized if they're not visible?
I can feel the muscle with my finger under the fat
Also I am stronger than my peers
You’re obviously 20%+ bf. Get to at least sub 14% and save up to get your gyno removed
First pic I took
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THIS homie IS POSTING HIS NAKED PICTURES ON THE INTERNET FOR ANONYMOUS PEOPLE TO SEE
and you know this person? he asked for advice/info. isn't that what this forum is for?
OY VEY A GOYIM ASKING FOR ADVICE FROM SOMEONE THAT ISNT A SURGEON OR PSYCHIATRIST
frick off, rabbi homosexualstein
Do white people not have hairy chests??
lose+lift weight fatass, you look like shit
I have been doing calisthenics and cal counting for 4 months and have seen relatively good progress, as I got sick for 2 weeks and count work out and got weak af
calisthenics arent doing you any favours unless youre doing a lot of pull ups and dips (daily)
youll see faster progress with weights and a very harsh cut. however hard youre cutting now, cut harder. get the suffering out of the way. refeed to maintenance (not binge) once every 1-2 weeks so you have the will to keep going. its very easy. this way
really you can do whatever you like in the gym as long as you go very heavy and progressively overload ALWAYS. start your workouts with heavy compounds and exhaust every muscle with isolation movements. UL split 4x week is good for natties, especially cutting.
as a bonus youll kill your estrogen while cutting and your gyno will probably evaporate
that is what happened to me, we actually have a similar body type. it only took me a month or so to totally change my body
Lose more weight.
Start lifting.
You look like shit you don't have dysmorphia
I don't say this often (ever) but you would be better off as a woman
cringe
if he's gonna be a troony at least be a roidtroony taking steroids and not an actual troony
Do I have a good frame?
My hips are uneven bcuz of a sports injury
Is this another one of those troll threads were OP LARPs as some poor schmuck whose pictures he stole?
>My entire life I have struggled with body dysmorphia
Doubt. You'd have long done something about your nasty body by this point already.
>Can't trust my own perception
No, you can. It's exactly what you see. It's a nasty obese slob of gyno meat.
I have an obsessive personality and fixate on ridiculous flaws in my body even though I know it's insignificant
Im in normal range of BMI
Protip: get legitimate tangible goings on to full your time instead of playing videogames all day
Op btw
I have a job, friends, 3-4 hobbies, goals passion, I do hard cardio every single day and OCD runs in the family
Thanks for the actual advice tho
You have an average, soft looking body. It's 'normal' but it doesn't stand out as particularly attractive to the majority of people. Like most men you're invisible. The desire to change it is normal. You need to lose fat, build muscle and be healthier. So eat clean, lift weights and run or [insert cardio of your choice], it's pretty simple.
How old are you
18
yes really
Hit puberty late tho
What HAVE you done so far anyways?
>Cons
Doughy and a bit of a skinny frame.
>Pros
Not obese, not skelly.
You're actually in a great place to start from.
Check out the sticky, eat well, lift well, and you can definitely look amazing. good luck Anon.
Thanks man fr
I'm going for a ottermode physique, so I'll help anyway
I also seem to be growing taller as well
Get your hormones checked out by a doctor and rule out stuff like Kleinfelter's. If you DO have a hormone problem, they can give you hormone treatments to help. If you don't have anything serious, just focus on getting lean and then putting on muscle. Make sure to work your lats to help make your chest look wider and take attention away from your hips.
Are they that wide
nah you don't have body dysmorphia. you genuinely look like a troony lol.
Dawg, you don't have body dysmorphia. God has blessed you with accurate sight, you really do just look like shit.
I look good fat, but I'm 5'7. We all got different good and bad, but the correct path is the same for everyone. Low body fat. Lots of muscle. You can do it anon, and if you can't you can always work as a wet nurse with them tiddies. Bout to get sponsored by Kellogs.
This is the beginning of my redemption ark
I will show everybody on this site that you can go from my first pick to a model type physique naturally
For the next 6 months I will do calisthenics and dumbbell isolation everyday and eat under a 2000- calorie deit, getting 160 g of protein a day
This is just the start
Who will carry the boats and the logs
Me. Itl be me
look man im just gonna be honest. 6 months doing that as a natty, you will still look like shit. but i do hope you look slightly less like a troony by then. you're physique is really not good bro. I would never let myself look like the way you do.
One month into it I got a back injury that made it very hard to do most exercises
So I switched to focusing on nutrition which explains the lack of muscle mass I also do one to two hours of hard cardio a day
Amen.
Hate yourself more.
Let me guess - You're 6'1-6'2?
I'm a smidge under 6
But I seem to be still growing
You better be, else your physique is FRICKED
There's nothing wrong with this. At 6'0 computer programmer nerd I weighed 155 lbs soaking wet until I was around 22 and started lifting. Picrel is me now at age 39. I went from 160 to 215 lbs in 9 months, then shredded to 200 or so. I weigh 212 today (in pic). I had similar build. I won't post photos but trust me.
You can undo the damage. Just eat good and lift brother.
By post photos I mean photos from when I was 16-22 before lifting. Pic in post is me last week or so.
What was your cycle?
I have been taking a shot of 150-200mg test cypionate the past six months every two weeks, but I'm almost 40 and I recently got off hard drugs (heroin/fentanyl). In pic I posted just a moment ago to gyno response post, this is before I ever touched anything like it. I did the 160-215 just thru lifting and eating, and the shred to 200 by nutrition and HIIT alone. I didn't touch test until February of this year, turning 39 next week.
OP is excited about the next 6 months, while you post a body pic from 17 years of progress. i don't think you understood my post at all.
The point was I did 155-215 in 9 months and then 215-200 in a month or so after that. It's achievable. Even for someone who drinks and does drugs and sits at his computer all day programming unix c and x86-64 assembly all day like a hermit troll. I did it. Before the benefit of boards like this back in 2004-2006.
>Even for someone who drinks and does drugs and sits at his computer all day programming unix c and x86-64 assembly all day like a hermit troll.
ok. based.
i tried learning assembly but i was filtered hard. I have alot of respect for people who can do bare metal programming and who can understand the kernel level aspect of computers. wish i had that talent because i make shit money.
You always can if you have the desire. The trick is learning the translation the compiler does from C to assembler. write some code in c, compile,.disassemble. Understand why it's doing what. Look at kernel source code (Linux, Minix, BSD). At some point things start to click. The hardest part.for me was understanding hex and binary and octal math but they're like base 10 just 16, 2 and 8 respectively. You don't have to understand why the processor is doing what's it doing at a physical level, just the virtual.
I recommend os development forums and looking at beginner resources. Writing a bootloader that can run on bare.metal separates the men from the boys.
thx for the tips. i did a really shitty udemy course that just basically walked me through how to write a simple OS/bootloader on a raspberry pi, but i basically learned nothing because i was just following instructions. If i ever find the time, i might play around with it again. hard to find the time for assembly projects when you wageslave 40 hours a week and lift, but thats just me making excuses i guess.
That is tough. I fell into it because this is al I did age 12 to now. I literally spent my entire puberty years in front of a nice warm Linux terminal with b***hX IRC client running on one try and hacking and programming in another, 1996 to now. But it isn't innate. Just need passion.
If not, but you dig technology and programming, there are many higher level paths for careers or hobbies that don't involve the same level of time spent in a disassembler and debugger. Python and ruby and whatnot are fun and you can always go lower level when you need.
Udemy isn't bad but nothing beats messing around. But that isn't always conducive to a career more like a hobby.
What's your wage slave job? Is it tech or tech adjacent?
im a mechanical technician at a calibration company. work with torque wrenches and dc/ac power supply stuff. its very hands on technical and not so much software. Learning more about assembly, c, computers, ect. is a side thing at the moment. I want financial freedom, and i believe software is the path towards it.
I have a hard time with physical/real-world stuff. When it comes to machining, organizing my tools, or even using much of these tools, I am as inept as a mid 90s AOLer (or worse, DALnet IRCer) sitting down at a mainframe terminal. It seems the paths don't really cross. I am software guy, I have hard time with hardware. I appreciate the math and science behind it but I just never really learned. Nowadays I try to fix a lot of stuff on my own, and did some commercial roofing on the side for a bit, but always came back to the software side of things. I admire someone who can manipulate these tools well.
Software/programming might seem profitable but there are many forces at play that can sully this path. I might recommend you look at leveraging your skillset and understanding/aptitude into a business (if you have the acumen, otherwise find someone to handle the finances/biz side for you) where you apply these things to homeowners, other small biz, etc. Everyone needs someone that can get the job done. I pay someone to do these things because my time-benefit tradeoff is high, and learning how to do it is beyond my wheelset in near term and by the time I've learned, not only have I fricked it up probably, but I could've paid someone else to do it competently. You can exploit this.
>Just lift for 17 years and you can look like me!
>(has gyno)
kek
is this seriously considered gyno? and does that usually indicated roids?
>is this seriously considered gyno?
His right tit is literally folding over(Left tit is bigger than right, guess why he's flexing his left arm lul?). Guys pay for surgery looking like that - and the fricking surgeon actually takes out tit issue (not fat).
>and does that usually indicated roids?
Test converts to DIHIDROTESTOSTERONE or ESTROGEN. Take too much test without having your shit together - your body will be converting it to extra ESTROGEN as well.
So it can be roids, but can also be shit diet, since eating shit food makes your body full of estrogen as well.
I have no gyno. My arm is up.
I have a bit of fat in my chest because I'm around 12% bf and that's where my family has always stored it's fat. But def not gyno.
See picrel a photo of me from 2012 or so, around 10% bf but weighed 200 instead of 212, when I was 28.
Sorry for shit quality I'm taking screen shot of my laptop
For record re: shit diet, I have been heavy drinker and opioid user for 15 years. Ain't gyno tho. Not saying my chest is chiseled, but nobody has ever said.i had gyno incl doctor.
nazi homosexual
Lol fixed it myself
Can always be worse friendo
Is it bad that I'm attracted to this
T.straight
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As a fellow gyno sufferer, just go see a doctor. Then get them cut off. It is too late for me but you still have time.
Not constructive input. Just take drugs for your mental state. Just take steroids. Just go get this or that cut off. You might as well be a troony- 'feel confused? Cut your dick off'.
Even absolute endocrine destruction in your formative/puberty years can be reversed. Maybe not 100%, but given enough time, effort, and control - that is, eating real food and exercising right - you can undo much. Many people who have sagging skin after severe weight loss think surgery is their only option. It's not.
The only people who benefit from such ideology are a group of people who wear small hats.
Brother in christ. What is your solution to gyno then?
What is your diet and sleep / stress habit like? Hormones can be fixed thru correction not involving surgery or drugs. Some people certainly have predisposition. But like every woman that says their PCOS or 'genetics' are to blame they're full of it.
I'm not being obtuse either, tell me, I might have some input.
Gyno is caused by horomones during puberty.
If they don't disappear after puberty, they are not going away naturally.
>you might have some input
Doubt.jpg
Yes they are, and they can be perm. But I've had friends reverse it to an extent. If you think you can't reverse endocrine destruction ask people who beat type 2 diabetes, PCOS and Alzheimer's by.changing their diet.
Answer my questions anon. You've got nothing to lose but dem luscious tigol' bitties.
>I had friends reverse it to an extent
Lmao. Do share. I wanna see what fricking moronic shit you say.
Again, diet, exercise and proper sleep and stress management. If you want to get surgery it's on you. You already have your mind set. Why do you need my advice?
>Diet, exercise, proper sleep and stress management can help you spot reduce fatty deposit in your chest.
Lmao. Okay bro. Go to bed.
If you can't accept something other than butchering your body must be done to deal with an aesthetic issue- one solely in your head, mind you- than you must either be insincerely posting, because you're a shekel gruber who stands to gain, or you are so demoralized and gone that nothing can help you. Either way, the oven for you anon.
>gyno is an issue that only exist in your head
>When everyone can see OP has gyno
Pure schizo posting
I just did some research about gyno
I don't have any swelling or lumps or hard tissue in my mommy milkers
So is it just unfortunate fat storage?
Might be. Post it or get a doctor to have a look
Most likely. You can reverse this, but it's not easy. Endocrine system malfunction can lead to storage of fat in places where it shouldn't be for men. Women with gyno just have big breasts; men on the other hand have b***h breasts. But you can change this through proper diet exercise sleep and stress management. By proper diet I mean drop the processed foods and goyslop. Men are just as bad when it comes to assessing their nutrition as any fat b***h is who claims their problems are 'genetic'.
As I have been posting in this thread and nobody has answered me yet, I implore you that if you have gyno, plz tell me: 1) what you eat in a day on avg, and overall for the week; 2) whats your sleep like; 3) whats your physical activity/stress like? (they're intertwined)
regards
You've mentioned "proper diet" several times. It's now time for you to describe which foods the diets consist of. And no, don't you dare post "Oh just ~~*real*~~ foods hehe". What kinda food? Beef/Chicken/Fish/Pork/Seafood/rice/lentils/Banana's/apples and so on. Or at least a logic to the food. If you're vegan or some similar moronic shit, let us know.
Don't feed his delusions. Gyno is caused by horomones during puberty. If it can be fixed by diet post puberty, then you can make the same logical assumption that you can still grow taller post puberty with proper diet.
You have serious self esteem issues. You probably are subscribed to one or more 'face maxxing' threads somewhere.
Okay Mr Schizo who said I @ him but turns out I in fact didn't @ him
Yes, pretty much exactly what you just said.
To clarify:
grass fed beef (walmart has $6.50/lb grass fed/finished beef in packs of 3lbs in midwest, source verified);
eggs (anything better than nothing, but i like onions feed free; free range means nothing);
fruit: bananas, apples, anti-oxidant rich berries (blueberry, cherries (not marischino), raspberry, blackberry); buy frozen to save $$;
glyphosate free honey (manuka honey but its expensive);
grass fed butter, clarified butter (ghee);
bone marrow;
liver (calf, preferably, less time for the liver to absorb all the toxins from garbage livestock feed);
certifiable grass fed/low slop feed chicken;
pork if needed (its never great, but better than non meat);
fish: preferably nothing farmed, all wild caught; but absolutely NOTHING from china / sea of china; preferably wild caught alaska / north atlantic; mussels are cheap, and delicious, but low calorie;
seeds/nuts: chia seeds, almonds/cashews/macademia nuts/sunflower seeds; peanuts in moderation, its cheap tho, but no peanut butter unless its just peanuts and salt;
dairy: high fat (5% - 10%) greek yogurt; grass fed milk; raw milk (goto your local high end pet food store, or your local farm, depending on laws); goat milk.
i forgot some stuff im sure but this is what i eat, and i don't put on any unwanted fat. the high fat ratios keep my leptin signaling to my brain all is good, and satiated; and anything not fat-satiation related is satisfied by the fiber in the fruits. do not drink fruit juices, you need the natural fiber.
also to add: the big DO NOT FRICKING EAT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES:
MSG;
high fructose corn syrup / corn syrup;
seed oils ("vegetable" oils);
ultra processed grains (fiberless);
onions anything unless fermented onions product/traditional;
anything w/ added sugar;
basically any processed food.
Jesus christ IST auto-replaces S 0 Y with 0 n ions; wtf? I didnt say o n 1 0n s I said s 0 y.
fricking fgt jannies and adminz.
newbie
Based food list. Didn't expect it. While your diet advice is pretty good. Do note that diet may not be enough to see any meaningful chances for the rest of one's lifetime. Why? The person who's poisoned if not just poisoned by diet, but by generational (his mom/etc) diet. And if that's not enough we're breathing tar from the air, plenty of waves (wifi/radio/etc) that frick with us too.
Changing the diet alone simply can't outweigh everything AND heal you back to "normal".
Indeed but it is certainly better than not doing it. The whole 'live your best life' isn't just a vapid 'inspirational' quote, it's true to everyone. You can always try and undo what's been done.
Re: generational damage this is very true, a year ago I saw what I thought was a middle aged hormone-destroyed woman walking thru the mall with her sister but it turned out it was a mother with her 15 year old son. I wanted to report child abuse this boy was so fricked. He proceeded to eat nothing but Cool Ranch Doritos, fountain Pepsi and Chinese food at the food court. His mother had a build just like him. He was doomed from the start. I can't stop thinking about him. I have two boys, 11 and 14, and a child on the way, and I cannot imagine doing this to them.
But I would tell him the same thing- you can undo it. He can try. If that's what lifts him up, it's all good.
Also based radio wave pills there, I went to a camp site with my cousin's husband a while back and my persistent headaches stopped. and it wasn't stress. The 'black shakes' (NAS) from "Jonny Neumonic" was ahead of its time.
Regards anon
>But I would tell him the same thing- you can undo it. He can try. If that's what lifts him up
Now I see why your comments rubbed me the wrong way.
You would lie to lift someone up. I would contempt/revenge the person that lied to stir my hopeless effort. Why not tell the limits of the truth? The lie to make someone feels betters feels all the more worse once they wake up to their futility. That's just... cruel.
Also, b/c I just made some, if you're "bulking" or just need to recharge before a workout:
smoothie:
Coconut milk (canned is like $2.50 for 900 calories of pure delicious fat);
Chia seeds;
frozen strawberries/bananas/raspberries/blackberries/blueberries;
a bit of grass fed milk or goat milk;
date syrup or some other non-artificial / non-sugar sweetener;
water & crushed ice;
mix in a food processor (preferred b/c it can handle the frozen fruit and thickness of the ice+coconut milk+chia seed mix), blender otherwise but blend slow so u dont burn out motor;
choose servings of each item based on your individual goals/needs;
enjoy.
but eat lots of meat if youre eating this, its high carb rich of course but the fat from the coconut and fiber from chia will help your satiation. drink slow. you dont have to consume the whole blender full. that's fat woman / menstruation woman shit.
I didn't say (or mean) it exists in your head. I meant that you yourself are responsible for the effect it has on your psyche. People are saying I have gyno here in this post, but nobody I know nor has seen me has ever told me that, nor have I ever thought that, and at one point I did marketing campaign photos for a reputable fitness brand when, I think, my chest looked more 'gyno' than now. If you are diagnosed with having gyno, and surgery really is - after you've truly looked at all options - and it makes you feel better, I cannot tell you how to spend your money and more relevant to this your literal blood and recovery time. But I'd say for every 9 people here thinking they have gyno because some random anon told them this, 8 of them don't. The other 1 does, and the last 1/10 doesn't exist.
Oh. So it is a copium post. Are you OP? Because if not, my post was not referring to you. Schizo.
I can't tell, this is not /misc/, there is no poster ID. Also only my mom says I'm schizo, my doctor is too afraid to tell me otherwise.
Also, wait, you responded to me to begin with. I'm not OP, but you >> my post. so.
Who's the schizo?
Black person this my first post
do you see any >>
>Hormones can be fixed thru correction not involving surgery or drugs
Fixing hormones will not fix gyno. Once you have breast tissue it cannot go away. Only "fake gyno" (e.g., where it's just fat that looks like gyno, not actual tissue) can go away. Surgery is the only option, you're moronic.
Okay doctor Goldstein, appreciate your input.
>facts are israeli
Are you moronic or just pretending to be?
If you want to get surgery, just do it. It works so well for trannies and Hollywood starlets. No issues there, right?
>all surgeries are bad, israeli, and for trannies
you're legitimately braindead, not even sure why I bothered responding in the first place.
stop fighting guys i hate when my friends fight
We no fight, just stubborn people who spend most of their time looking at porn stars penises think its the norm and that their own is very small.
>he thinks malnourished/poisoned/underdeveloped/stressed/gyno men will have healthily sized penises on average
I have mild gyno but my dick is 7 inches. No cap.
you need more muscle
that's literally it you dumb homosexual
what else could it be?
fat? then lose it!!!!!!
it's really that simple moron
You look pretty similar to me, but I have a sunken chest which makes my breasts look huge.
If you're delusional enough to have body dysmorphia, go see a the rapist.
Be adamant that you are not a troony and if they suggest it, because of current social trends, find another one.
Take a blood test. Check your test levels. If they are too low, talk to your doctor about getting into TRT.
Join a gym. Four times a week for one hour. Compounds every day.
Deadlift.
Squat.
Bench.
Bent Rows.
Low weight at the start until you learn the forms, check YouTube for examples. Increase the weight for a given exercise EVERY DAY until you can't complete 3 sets of 10 reps and once you can't, stay on that weight and try to hit 12 reps and when you do, increase weights.
If you don't know what do after the compounds, search for PPL programs (I recommend Jeff Nippard's, you can find it on the Russian library).
5 min cardio before the workout, 20-30 min cardio after. No b***h speed. You have to sweat and breath fast.
Be consistent.
Work hard.
Train heavy.
Don't listen to yourself.
If you wake up and don't feel like it, do it for half the time.
Do not skip.
Only you can save yourself.
No one can sweat in your place.
Good luck. troony.
My advice would be to go on a slight caloric deficit, high protein (maybe even carnivore), cardio, hypertrophy program (where you go to failure every exercise, every session, no matter what), and get hormones checked. Do that for 6 months and you will probably get out of gyno hell and into DYEL.
pump iron
lift heavy
lift often