>I'm not doing fricking deadlifts
>If you want a big back you shouldn't deadlift
Wtf is this true I mean he does mog 100% of this board
>I'm not doing fucking deadlifts. >If you want a big back you shouldn't deadlift
>I'm not doing fricking deadlifts
>If you want a big back you shouldn't deadlift
Wtf is this true I mean he does mog 100% of this board
IST should be spleet into a roidshitter version and a non-roidshitter version
this
imagine fit without keto vs carbs diet wars and endless incel lookism threads holy shit fitroid would be heaven
I'm one of the major ketoschizos and I would post on both, roidmonkey
A deadlift will isometrically work the back, which is not shown to induce optimal hypertrophy. If you want a large back, you should work your back muscles through their range of motion.
If you are working your back with a deadlift, you are doing the deadlift wrong and you can hurt yourself.
He's also right about the fatigue produced with both squats and deadlifts. You are better off doing 2-3 exercises that work your posterior chain from different angles than doing a deadlift that just destroys you for the rest of your lifting session.
he doesn't care about his strength and probably barely cares about his spinal erectors. you can push your glasses up and go uhm ackhtually the deadlift is bad because x, y and z but there is nothing that compares to the absolute erector stimulus and full body strength adaption induced by the deadlift.
complete bullshit, completely clueless
>complete bullshit, completely clueless
Prove it. Deadlift is a hip hinge, you only isometrically work your back during it. At the very most you are getting some distal erector work. The entire muscle is just keeping you upright.
You have no idea what you're talking about. If your back is not moving, you are not moving it through its range of motion and thus not growing it maximally, I've already provided a much superior exercise to the deadlift in this thread if you want to build your back.
you have never deadlifted any weight over 120 kg.
So you can't justify the reason why the deadlift is a superior exercise. Wow, what a surprise. Further proof that it's a terrible exercise. If it's such a good exercise you should easily be able to refute what I'm saying, but you don't and I suspect you know nothing about lifting firstly and secondly you just listen to what morons say about it.
This kid learned everything he knows about deadlifts from indian animations and howcast tutorials demonstrating with 40 kg.
At least tell us you're underaged.
Jeff Cavaliere says it's good and that once the bar is above the knee you use back muscles.
>above the knee you use back muscles.
Isometrically, to keep your spine in a neutral position. If you are losing your neutral spine in a deadlift, you are exponentially increasing your risk of herniation / spondye-girlsthesis through vertebral translation.
You can hold a heavy weight in front of you upright and provide much more stimulus to your back since you are not also working your quads and fatiguing yourself out quickly. This is called specificity in training
Not going to listen to this. Going to keep getting strong by doing heavy sbdp, rows and curls.
>Diddly is isometric, not good for hypertrophy, ROM good for hypertrophy
This is true
>If you work back w deadlift, you are doing the deadlift wrong and you can hurt yourself
The spinal erectors do have brace a lot and taller lifters will often need to use more back and can do so without injury but it still doesnt do a lot for back
>Sq and DL create a lot of fatigue
Yes
>better off doing 2-3 exercises that work your posterior chain from different angles than doing a deadlift
Depends but deadlifts can interfere with the rest of your split or be hard to recover from
If you dont do rows or pullups you wont grow your back; your glutes will be big tho
depends.
Any pull above the knee is back.
Any pull below the knee is glutes and hamstring.
So you could do rack pull with good form on back day and RDL's on lower body day.
he's a cheating roider bud so disregard
here's an exercise that will work your back in the same exact way a deadlift works your back, without the disc herniations. So if you believe that deadlifts grow a big back, I just found a better exercise for you. You will accrue less fatigue with this and target your erectors more maximally. You can just stand there and not walk with the weight, just have it in front of you. Congradulations, you are building your back the same way a deadlift does.
so ronnie coleman didnt have big back?
its such a moronic blanket statement by a literal fricking child who has lifted UNIRONICALLY for 3 years lol and only with steroids. how can you take anything he says with any kind of authority? do you die if you dont deadlift? is it an absolute necessity? obviously not. does it mean that you shouldnt deadlift then? probably not.
i payed the price for not deadlifting. did i have a good back? yeah. did i have weak as shit forearms, core, stabilizers etc? yeah. heavy compounds are needed if you want the complete package. sooner or later you will pay for your mistakes and complain about your b***h wrists. and no 10kg dumbbells wrist curls are not a 1:1 fix and substition.
just do it all, i say it in every thread. do 4 basic compounds for strength (and hypertrophy) and then you can fill all the rest with your favorite meme pump chasing machines and cables.
that's insane that you lifted for 3 years and learned absolutely nothing about lifting and how it works. Amazing how someone can be so moronic.
dorian yates had problems with his hips and never trained with traditional squats and diddy lifts and yet he achieved one of the best physiques in bodybuilding. you dont need to do your heavy compounds to build muscle. they arent magical excercise that let you grow muscles with increased efficiency. do what works for you. fricking moronic Black person.
In the end it comes down to SFR (Stimulus to Fatigue Ratio). Deadlift can certainly be a great exercise for a beginner, especially if you are moving weight below or around 3pl8 you don't get too much fatigue from it, you can recover nicely and warmups don't take forever.
Pulling 4pl8+ for reps is not reasonable for a bodybuilder any longer, honestly even for a powerlifter there comes a certain point where pulling from the floor also starts becoming questionable from an efficiency standpoint.
Focusing more on exercises that work the main movers of the Deadlift in a more efficient way regarding your recovery is generally a good idea even for powerlifters. You can still include a lot of DL variations such as RDL, Snatch Grip DL, Trap Bar, Sumo, Deficite DL, Pause DL and so on depending on your limitations but pulling conventional from the floor too much is not worth it for advanced lifters imo.
Especially regarding back development there really is nothing the DL does that you can not achieve with RDLs and Rows with less overall fatigue.
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you don't need deadlifts to build your back. there's scores of bodybuilders with fantastic backs who never deadlift.
i don't know if you've ever seen it happen but there are quite a few people with 5 or even 6 plate deadlifts and they look quite ordinary, they'll just walk up to a bar with 5 plates on it and you think "this guy must be dreaming" and then they pull it like it's no big deal. because alot of musculature involved is hidden like erectors.
so it's not even a guarantee that a huge deadlift is going to make you huge.
if you want to keep buying into the mark rippetoe camp of "you need to do deadlifts" then go for it but it's been known forever that it's not an optimal lift for bodybuilders unless you have other circumstances