Pfft. Okay, DYEL. You're delusional. Beginner starts at 500. Even most women who've been in the gym for like 3 minutes can match that. Once you've passed 700 you're officially a novice, then you're an intermediate at like 900-1100. Hoping to get to see the first advanced lifter some day. That'd be pretty cool, I think.
if you train the squat you're going to be better at the deadlift than an untrained person without ever doing it. you will also probably be able to deadlift more than your squat unless you did something weird like train squat exclusively for 3+ years. The main benefit of the deadlift that you won't be getting from your other exercises is spinal erector and trap strength and size. it is not necessary to train the lift often though
6 months ago
Anonymous
>The main benefit of the deadlift that you won't be getting from your other exercises is spinal erector and trap strength and size
True. I do zercher squats for that not sure if it's the same
I know this is bait but for any lurkers:
Deadlifting is the greatest natural movement for strength and size. Period. You will gain slabs of muscle in no time deadlifting heavy 2x a week minimum. When you see people injured they are one of two things. >not taking a break when they experience joint or tendon pain >roiding so their tendons cannot keep up.
Ah, I've been a novice too. Swinging around 2pl8s, 2½ pl8s, even 3pl8s for the low reps. Feels good, but then you realise you can't do enough deadlifting to get to maximum recoverable volume without destroying yourself.
Deadlifting is based, but this "X exercise sucks don't even do it" and "Only train like this or you will lose your pp u doodoohead >:)" shit is just childish. There are many ways to get to your best. Many things work. A good start is the basics.
I disagree. Moral is different things work for different people. I was fully content hitting 5 sets of 12 4pl8 deadlifts 2-3x a week up until i graduated college and don't deadlift as much now becuase I don't want to wreck my concrete floors. I've built a reasonable physique off of heavy ass deadlifts and heavy ass bench press. I do accessories like barbell rows, and stuff for my arms becuase I have shit bicep genes. That's about it though. Hit 405x2 squat without squatting for 6 months becuase squats just never feel right for me.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Well, that's not most people. 5x12 implies probably RPE 7 on the first set, or lower. 405x15 implies a 1RM just over 600 lbs. That's elite strength by natty standards, anyway. Some gearheads don't even ever reach that.
Barbell rows undeniably work your upper back, which helps with deads.
My point is that most people will get much more, especially in terms of hypertrophy, structural integrity, and stimulus-to-fatigue by getting most of their back training from secondaries, variations, and accessories. It's more efficient and less taxing on the body. I take you at your word because in this context, it doesn't really matter if you're telling the truth, so, on the presumption that you are: Good work! That's excellent. Super strong.
6 months ago
Anonymous
If anyone can read this PT speak garbage and not be instantly repulsed you deserve whatever bad advice you're always listening to.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Hey, don't blame me for your inability to understand something as simple as RPE, XRMs and that lifting lighter weights and doing less fatiguing exercises can let you train the same muscles more per workout.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Last guy wasn't me but I'll be real with you. I never program to do shit. I've read about RPEs, and all that crap. I lift heavy because I enjoy it. Lifting is something I use to destress. I don't care to program and in fact I'll shift my focus to another lift often if I'm getting bored of a certain lift. No way I'd be able to, for example deadlift 2-3x a week that heavy and also progress my bench. My weight increasing strategy has always been to go hard on a certain lift, letting bench for example stagnate so I can get used to and adapt to higher rep ranges at a certain weight. Eg. If I'm pushing my deadlifting 3x a week, bench 2x with the same weight and just push more reps thus giving my joints a break. I've also benched mid 300s right before my son was born.
I don't believe programming is meaningful once you reach a certain level of strength and size. I'm almost SURE you will disagree with me on that as almost every single RPE based lifter I've talked to does. I do not care, lifting heavy is the only reason I lift.
Yes. Do not listen to these delusional morons who have turned the beautiful ritual of self-actualisation and betterment into a cult of misery. Good job. You've done 10 lbs less than me weighing 35 lbs less than I did when I did it. You are solidly intermediate and you've come a long way. It's not good as in "over". You still have beauty and boundless joy ahead of you, but you should carry your head high that you've come this far. You are strong. Now get REALLY strong. You can do at least 600. Just give it time.
Pfft. Okay, DYEL. You're delusional. Beginner starts at 500. Even most women who've been in the gym for like 3 minutes can match that. Once you've passed 700 you're officially a novice, then you're an intermediate at like 900-1100. Hoping to get to see the first advanced lifter some day. That'd be pretty cool, I think.
Pfft. Okay, DYEL. You're delusional. Beginner starts at 500. Even most women who've been in the gym for like 3 minutes can match that. Once you've passed 700 you're officially a novice, then you're an intermediate at like 900-1100. Hoping to get to see the first advanced lifter some day. That'd be pretty cool, I think.
I don't think I see people doing 4plates deadlifts or squats at the normie gym ever. So if you did it for a couple of reps, I would be pretty fricking impressed.
P.S. my friend is a "professional" at 192lbs and he DLs something like 600. But as I said, I have never seen someone DL 4 plates in a public gym. I have seen a lot of people bench lol3plaet though.
it's definitely stronger than the average gym goer, but when compared to people seriously deadlifting I'd say it's decent but not so far above the average that it can be categorised as good
tldr; good compared to average person, at the lower end of decent compared to serious deadlifters
no hate btw, I deadlift 430 at 180 lbs and consider the weight subpar
It's mid.
would it help to say i can zercher squat 275 lbs, ohp 145, dip 90 lbs added onto me and chin up 75 lbs added onto me?
None of those are impressive, anon.
i think a 2pl8 dip is somewhat impressive, not world-class but its just a good sign of upper body strength
yes but you knew that already you b***h
good for dyel
yes
It’s ok
no, I hit a 425 lb dl at 155 lb natty raw
sumo?
barely past dyel tier
new 4pl8 is 4 reds
this and I'll add that hitting 4pl8 is only passing tutorial mode. after that point you may call yourself a "beginner"
You can't use gear or any stance other than conventional for it to be a real deadlift.
100% correct and also no back arch on bench press
Pfft. Okay, DYEL. You're delusional. Beginner starts at 500. Even most women who've been in the gym for like 3 minutes can match that. Once you've passed 700 you're officially a novice, then you're an intermediate at like 900-1100. Hoping to get to see the first advanced lifter some day. That'd be pretty cool, I think.
I sincerely hope you don't mean a 500 (kg) or 700 (kg) total. you're talking about 500lb deadlift right? because that is beginner numbers
I'm sorry but I dont respect deadlifts
I can rep 2 plates without even training them
I can probably lift even more now because that was months ago
>i can pick up 200 lbs
congrats bro
Yea
Never tested my one rep max
But's at least 3 plates
What I'm saying is dont waste your time doing meme lifts
>i can only pick up 300 lbs
lol
My other lifts are even weaker
bench :77kg
row: 80kg
squat: 100kg
bicep: 20kg
And even then I'm 3/4 into OPs deadlift
Deadlift is moronic
if you train the squat you're going to be better at the deadlift than an untrained person without ever doing it. you will also probably be able to deadlift more than your squat unless you did something weird like train squat exclusively for 3+ years. The main benefit of the deadlift that you won't be getting from your other exercises is spinal erector and trap strength and size. it is not necessary to train the lift often though
>The main benefit of the deadlift that you won't be getting from your other exercises is spinal erector and trap strength and size
True. I do zercher squats for that not sure if it's the same
try 3 plates
I know this is bait but for any lurkers:
Deadlifting is the greatest natural movement for strength and size. Period. You will gain slabs of muscle in no time deadlifting heavy 2x a week minimum. When you see people injured they are one of two things.
>not taking a break when they experience joint or tendon pain
>roiding so their tendons cannot keep up.
Ah, I've been a novice too. Swinging around 2pl8s, 2½ pl8s, even 3pl8s for the low reps. Feels good, but then you realise you can't do enough deadlifting to get to maximum recoverable volume without destroying yourself.
Deadlifting is based, but this "X exercise sucks don't even do it" and "Only train like this or you will lose your pp u doodoohead >:)" shit is just childish. There are many ways to get to your best. Many things work. A good start is the basics.
I disagree. Moral is different things work for different people. I was fully content hitting 5 sets of 12 4pl8 deadlifts 2-3x a week up until i graduated college and don't deadlift as much now becuase I don't want to wreck my concrete floors. I've built a reasonable physique off of heavy ass deadlifts and heavy ass bench press. I do accessories like barbell rows, and stuff for my arms becuase I have shit bicep genes. That's about it though. Hit 405x2 squat without squatting for 6 months becuase squats just never feel right for me.
Well, that's not most people. 5x12 implies probably RPE 7 on the first set, or lower. 405x15 implies a 1RM just over 600 lbs. That's elite strength by natty standards, anyway. Some gearheads don't even ever reach that.
Barbell rows undeniably work your upper back, which helps with deads.
My point is that most people will get much more, especially in terms of hypertrophy, structural integrity, and stimulus-to-fatigue by getting most of their back training from secondaries, variations, and accessories. It's more efficient and less taxing on the body. I take you at your word because in this context, it doesn't really matter if you're telling the truth, so, on the presumption that you are: Good work! That's excellent. Super strong.
If anyone can read this PT speak garbage and not be instantly repulsed you deserve whatever bad advice you're always listening to.
Hey, don't blame me for your inability to understand something as simple as RPE, XRMs and that lifting lighter weights and doing less fatiguing exercises can let you train the same muscles more per workout.
Last guy wasn't me but I'll be real with you. I never program to do shit. I've read about RPEs, and all that crap. I lift heavy because I enjoy it. Lifting is something I use to destress. I don't care to program and in fact I'll shift my focus to another lift often if I'm getting bored of a certain lift. No way I'd be able to, for example deadlift 2-3x a week that heavy and also progress my bench. My weight increasing strategy has always been to go hard on a certain lift, letting bench for example stagnate so I can get used to and adapt to higher rep ranges at a certain weight. Eg. If I'm pushing my deadlifting 3x a week, bench 2x with the same weight and just push more reps thus giving my joints a break. I've also benched mid 300s right before my son was born.
I don't believe programming is meaningful once you reach a certain level of strength and size. I'm almost SURE you will disagree with me on that as almost every single RPE based lifter I've talked to does. I do not care, lifting heavy is the only reason I lift.
Yes. Do not listen to these delusional morons who have turned the beautiful ritual of self-actualisation and betterment into a cult of misery. Good job. You've done 10 lbs less than me weighing 35 lbs less than I did when I did it. You are solidly intermediate and you've come a long way. It's not good as in "over". You still have beauty and boundless joy ahead of you, but you should carry your head high that you've come this far. You are strong. Now get REALLY strong. You can do at least 600. Just give it time.
The fricking duality of man
I posted both of these.
No way is this not the same guy
Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde shit
>cult of misery
Quiet. That's how the lifts keep going up.
It's above 2x bw so it's not bad
No
I don't think I see people doing 4plates deadlifts or squats at the normie gym ever. So if you did it for a couple of reps, I would be pretty fricking impressed.
t. 240 lbs of fat w / a 315DL
What DL impressed you people irl?
P.S. my friend is a "professional" at 192lbs and he DLs something like 600. But as I said, I have never seen someone DL 4 plates in a public gym. I have seen a lot of people bench lol3plaet though.
it's definitely stronger than the average gym goer, but when compared to people seriously deadlifting I'd say it's decent but not so far above the average that it can be categorised as good
tldr; good compared to average person, at the lower end of decent compared to serious deadlifters
no hate btw, I deadlift 430 at 180 lbs and consider the weight subpar
It depends. It's good for the average gymgoer but you have nothing to do competition-wise (maybe if you're a woman and I'm not even sure about it)
What would be the recommended time limit for hitting 5 pl8? 14 months in I could DL 4pl8