Is Brazilian Jujitsu as effective as people make it out to be?
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Is Brazilian Jujitsu as effective as people make it out to be?
Is Brazilian Jujitsu as effective as people make it out to be?
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Brazilians have terrible work ethic and questionable morals so I wouldn't really bet on it.
It was developed in brawls between gyms in the fricked up city of Rio.
Terrible work ethic and questionable morals are everything you need for a perfect combat sport.
Rio is pretty safe. The whole dangerous city thing is myth, 90% of the people living there are journalists, bankers and israeli students.
Yeah man. Loads of israelites and bankers (seems redundant?) In the favelas
Black person, one of your kind was murdered not 50 feet from me in broad daylight on Avednida Atlantica in front of Copacabana the last time I was there. Random assaults and robberies have gotten so bad that the locals are forming vigilante squads to try and combat it.
I don't watch capeshit
The original version made for the streets of gangland Brazil sure is. The watered down version made for nerds who want to release pent up sexual frustration though not so much
the guy in the picture, royce gracie, would have gotten demolished by the average blue belt competitor from today. jiujitsu has evolved so much the skill level back then was kinda trash by todays standards
it's just discount judo/rastling.
shut the frick up with your made up origin myths, it's simply newaza judo, and its not good in "da streety" because you can easily and literally be curb stomped
Gangland brazil leads the world in fatal stabbings and shootings. How the frick do you think bjj would have any place there?
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It's incredibly useful to know how to grapple, street fights do often go to the ground, but in a street fight you aren't using safe legal moves. There's a point, and I'd call that point purple belt probably, where all your training is for is to beat other BJJ practitioners and for the sake of the art itself not for utility.
You also need to train striking.
Some of the toughest guys I know of are avid BJJ fans but they all know it's not the be-all end-all.
>It's incredibly useful to know how to grapple,
But everyone already knows the basics from rough-housing as a kid.
>street fights do often go to the ground
No they don't. After 20 years you still believe this myth, why?
Lol if all the basics you know are from "roughhousing as a kid" you'll get demolished by anyone with 6 months of bjj, moron
You may not know all that technical stuff, but you're crazy aren't you? You just see red?
BRO DON'T MESS WITH THAT GUY!!
He told me when he gets angry he LITERALLY "blanks out" from RAGE, and when he comes back to his senses his enemy is lying on the ground knocked out and bloody!
>But everyone already knows the basics from rough-housing as a kid.
I'm BEGGING you to go to any grappling gym and put those to the test
I’d say even like 6 months of good training, knowing the basics puts you above most people your weight on the ground. If you don’t train it, it’s a huge gap.
But how many street fights are you really getting into, you know?
>But how many street fights are you really getting into, you know?
If you go to bars or house parties it's good to be ready to fight.
I go to conferences and corporate events. I'd love to fight in those settings but that's unlikely.
I do BJJ because its a fun physical activity that lets me get IRL achievements - belts and stripes.
it dominates in cage matches, in fact it dominates so hard that the UFC artificially nerfed it (if you try to grapple in UFC they will stand you up) because the fans thought it was boring, but it is dominant.
Learning it by itself isn't enough to guarantee a win in a street fight though, but it will help a lot.
Stop making shit up. They stand you up for inactivity.
Lol this homosexual just sees red and bodies hit the floor.
Never been in a fight. Hypertrophy doesn't come with sport specific motor patterns. You probably punch like a b***h and would get tied up and submitted by a 3 stripe white belt who weights 40 lbs less than you.
This applies to any combat sport. It provides technical advantages to overcome a size gap.
I don't know why I participate in these threads. Clueless fricking children living a LARP. Seriously anyone who paid dues and showed up to boxing for 6 months then jiujitsu for 6 months would frick you all up.
>They stand you up for inactivity.
yeah, being inactive for 5 seconds
No it is not a magic win button like bjj bros pretend
It is pretty useful though
it comes pretty close to being a magic win button.
You have to fight someone a lot bigger and meaner than you before you can't just slap a choke on them.
>go for a choke
>get thrown across the room by a wrestler
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No clue how effective it would be in a street fight, but it has helped me a lot at work when I've had to restrain violent patients. It's also saved my ass twice since I started training 3 years ago.
>t. ER nurse who's armbarred 2 incredibly violent patients
Imagine requiring training to restrain someone in such terrible condition they are in the ER.
>requiring training
There really isn't any training when it comes to restraining someone in a medical setting, the training we get is basically "here's where the restraints go" and that's it. I work in an incredibly big city where lots of very mentally disturbed people and angry drug addicts just get dropped at the ED door because family doesn't want to deal with them, and I started training BJJ after I got my nose broken by one before security could show up to help. Usually we can tell someone's going to be a problem and have security on hand, but sometimes patients just straight up explode without warning.
I started 3 years ago, and at this point at least half of my coworkers are also doing it because it's made managing those situations just that much easier.
One of my good training buddies is a paramedic, I should ask him if he's had to restrain any patients since he started training. Jiujitsu for EMS, neat.
I work in an operating theatre and have to restrain people after waking up from anaesthesia all the time. The basics of BJJ make it incredibly easy to do this safely while not pulling out a canula or putting pressure on a wound site. I have taught a few of my colleagues the basics of a figure 4 grip and it has made the workplace safer, much less flailing about.
why are you heem snappying people's arms in the hospital lmao
Real wrestling is way better
Sambo is literally just Judo with no pants. BJJ is literally just Judo minus all the standing stuff.
Both are Judo's sons.
No, never was.
Build size
Size makes you look great
Size makes you harder to beat
Consider that in picrel the only thing keeping the skinny guy conscious for more than ten seconds is that the big guy LIMITED to defeating his with shitty jiujutsu.
Combat sports are for weebs who have been brainwashed to believe technique trumps size.
inb4
>this one time...
nobody gives a shit about your unicorn rarity level exception to nature's primal rules.
How the frick does a competitive grappler not know how to defend against a guillotine choke?
Pretty much
>be big
>trained kickboxer with a few mid level promotion matches under my belt
>used to hang out with friends who did greco and they taught me some basics here and there
>go to a bjj class
>none of the people I get paired with can pull an armbar on me since it’s what the class was about that day
>manage to pull a few armbars
>pair me with a black belt who tries to go hard to prove a point I guess
>manhandle him and keep sticking my head in his diafragm at the end of the round he is all red and shit
>didn’t try to pull an armbar on him since I realized they only get you if you try to do the coreografy they’ve trained
>could have killed him with ground and pound
>Coach tells me that I’m not supposed to use my strength so much
I kept going for a while but honestly I could have killed any of them without the slightest effort if I ever try
How big are you?
3 foot 7
Think Samwise but if he could kickbox Sauron to death and keep the ring.
Ruler of Middle Earth by conquest.
I shove Grom up the Balrog's ass.
I'm the BEST.
>too weak to do judo throws
>take it out
>add nothing
>"WE INVENTED A NEW STYLE, AND IT'S THE BEST NI THE WORLD"
At a judo school, everyone immediately went stomach to ground if they don't get an ippon and we scramble to the ground. They don't teach the children armbars until they're 14. There's almost no half guard or dynamic guard work. No hip riding, berimbolos, leg locks, and nearly non-existent no-gi
BJJ adds plenty to the conversation. For everyone who thinks that Judo did them a disservice by getting rid of touching the legs, you could go to a grappling/submission wrestling competition and use Judo in a BJJ environment where you are at risk of wrestling
It's crazy effective if the other guy doesn't know the basics on how to stay safe or how to grapple generally.
It's extremely less effective if those two things exist.
It's a superpower. It is the only martial art that will enable a smaller person to successfully subdue a larger person near 100% of the time.
Anyone that thinks otherwise is completely ignorant. Before i started to lift, I would easily submit people 40-60+lbs more than I that were jacked. People don't know anything about grapping, underhooks, and how to stay in a dominant position.
It takes a whopping 5 seconds to go from being mounted to being in a dominant position.
Without BJJ, if someone gets on top of you and is larger, you basically are a dead person if the person wills it.
Thats exclusively if the stronger person is untrained/less trained in the same field.
Any 2 year wrestler would smoke a 10 year bjj monkey.
The disparity is only amplified by greater size.
It worked against drunk bar brawlers but now that the sport progressed it doesn't work anymore.
It's still dominant in mma if you watch any championship leagues besides UFC. UFC has all but banned ground grappling because supposedly the fans think it's boring.
It's just grappling. Grappling is grappling, different rulesets emphasize different phases of the game, but it's all parts of the same beast. Here in the US, it's probably the most accessible form of grappling, except for scholastic wrestling. If you're still in school, gtfo of this shithole site and join the wrestling team.
Now is grappling worth doing? I think so. It's challenging and rewarding, it's a great workout, and yeah it can be helpful for self defense.
If you want to compete in MMA, it is essential. If you just want to beat up drunk asaholes, then judo and boxing are better optiona.
Oh yeah Judo is gonna help SOOO MUCH against somebody in a t shirt in summer lmao
Yeah, grabbing someone's arms and spiking them on their face would be totally useless in a fight.
90% of judo relies on a clothing that nobody wears. The rest is called bjj
Last i checked you can grab someone by their t-shirt. Are you dumb? Or do you plan to pick up fights at a swimming pool?
If you unironically can not defeat a man fully nude and oiled, you are not a real combat sporter.
Wrestling has been perfected since the Bronze Age and tested in all fields by all trials and has been present in matches to the death.
No other martial art has undergone such rigor nor possesses such a fatal reputation.
I've been looking into martial arts for a while, and the only thing I've learned is that people who are into martial arts and fighting are gays.
Single most effective non-striking art there is. Nothing else even comes remotely close when you're actually on the ground. Still gotta train to get people on the ground. Still gotta know how to do some kind of striking and throws. If you're a jie jitsu guy and you don't know how to avoid someone's strikes and you can't take them down then you are quite literally useless.
Strike homosexuals will cope but there is no way to avoid a grapple in a street fight.
Once grappled the MMA Chad will win.
You wont like it but the best way to win any fight is to have friends.
Biggest man on earth
Strongest man on earth
Most trained man on earth
Most conditioned man on earth
Will not be able to take 6 courageous companions.
What if those companions fall in love with one another, distracting them from the battle
No.
Not because it isn't good, but because people make it out to be really, really good.
Sambo or even wrestling is better.
It's Joe Rogan nonsense. Ignore it and continue lifting.
It is was good a few years ago, now if want something better look for a no-gi grappling class and torrent B-team and John Danaher instructionals.
Effective for what?
FOR FRICKING WHAT?
Fricking HELL you absolute god damn autists are so fricking up your ass with absolutely everything when it comes to "martial arts".
>Bro on the STREETS bro in the SHEETS dude
Like frick off if you're actually considering this shit you have way bigger problems like
>Living in a shithole
>Being near shit people
>Putting yourself in shit situations
It's a fricking trifecta of shit. The absolute insecurity then stems not only from the "bro I want an effective self-defense martial art" but the complete disregard of any actually effective self-defense methods like a fricking gun or a knife as that's just not good enough for the ego. I need to KNOW that I'm doing the BEST, OPTIMAL SELF-DEFENSE HUMAN-BODY ONLY MARTIAL ((Actually I call it a KILL art because it's so DEADLY and DANGEROUS)) that is MOST EFFECTIVE in EVERY SELF-DEFENSE SITUATION (except if he has a knife/gun/actually wants to hurt me and isn't just a drunk guy throwing a swipe or two my way before passing out in his own puke).
It's just a fricking hobby, holy fricking shit. I swear to god I fricking bet IST is full of threads like
>Is the piano as effective as people make it out to be?
It's basically a meme that was debunked infinite amounts of times but is still afloat because everyone is pushing it
>debunked infinite amounts of times
Can you point out a few deboonkings?
It also makes me wonder why Muay Thai + BJJ is still the UFC meta.
Any ufc fight where a super talented bjj practitioner had to fight a sambo fighter or a wrestler.
It was a scam pushed by great marketing, the good thing is that made grappling popular so today it has become catch wrestling lite. If god will in few years the brazilian part will be forgotten and will be just japanese wrestling.
Anyway it is good if you train in a place that teaches takedowns well and also no gi.