>Is cheap alcohol actually worse for you?
1. Cheap alcohol usually comes in plastic containers. Plastic is bad for you.
2. Cheap alcohol may be cheap because someone is trying to pawn off methanol as ethanol and therefore you run a statistical risk of it being bad for you.
>Cheap alcohol may be cheap because someone is trying to pawn off methanol as ethanol and therefore you run a statistical risk of it being bad for you.
what kind of 3rd world shithole do you come from?
It's more common insides 3rdies, but you understand alcohol can be imported from 3rdies, right? It normally crosses borders because someone "mislabeled" it during translation or whatever, but it happens. I would say the risk is probably "effectively 0" if you're first world, but if you're buying premium the risk is absolutely 0 without scare quotes. There were a fair number of instances of hand sanitizer being contaminated during the pandemic because everyone was in a rush to manufacture the stuff.
>what kind of 3rd world shithole do you come from?
there is usually a miniscule contamination with methyl in any bottle, its just that the process of purifying it is so good its not gonna affect your health. However, with a brand or moonshine production, sometimes a gram or 2 might slip into a final product
Methanol on itself isn't poisonous, it needs to be converted into formaldehyde first to harm you; ethanol has much higher affinity to the enzyme that does it, so methanol is expelled from the body before it is processed and does any damage.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1306022/
>That would have zero effect on you.
That is incorrect. Some of the methanol will get metabolized and turned into formaldehyde no matter how much ethanol you're drinking, and that formaldehyde will do damage to you. The difference is that, since the damage done is minimal, you don't notice it. Symptoms show up only from chronic consumption.
What ethanol does is it protects you from the acute symptoms of methanol poisoning. It does not protect you from the chronic symptoms.
Methanol and formic acid doesn't stay long in the body. And the amount in the circumstances you've proposed is negligible, thanks to ethanol affinity to alcohol dehydrogenase.
Formate is toxic, but not potently toxic.
Assuming you're drinking alcoholic drinks made for consumption (not for industrial use or illegal spiking), not deliberately taking methanol like supplements, you're more likely to die from liver failure first before you suffers from the chronic formate toxicity.
>2. Cheap alcohol may be cheap because someone is trying to pawn off methanol as ethanol and therefore you run a statistical risk of it being bad for you.
Usually not a concern if you don't live in the third world or the US
Old mate running a station house back I'm the 70s in Australia used to drink straight methanol and he lived to like 90 it won't kill you but the hangovers might. I know it's true because Malcolm Douglas said so.
It's actually usually better for you because it has less processed shit, less artificial chemicals etc. The cheaper the closer it is to how it was traditionally made
badly distilled alcohol may contain other alcohols including but not limited to 1- or 2-propanol, various butanols or even methanol. our bodies know how to process ethanol, and they cant deal with the others so well. not no mention various other organic compounds that are even worse.
badly brewed/fermented stuff on the other hand has not gone through the distillation process and may conttain in addition various non-volatile fermentation byproducts that can be even more toxic.
however, expensive does not mean good, ive drank many expensive vodkas that gave me strong headaches and upset stomachs (beluga, danska etc)
i can recommend wyborowa, grey goose, absolut and various polish vodkas from BZK Alco
t. chemist
Ethanol will always be the main byproduct of fermentation. Even if you're using fruit mash.
Distillation are not effective in separating ethanol from other alcohol anyway. You distil to separate alcohol from water (up to a certain limit). Discarding distilled parts is just a matter of taste, not safety.
You know what's the antidote of methanol?
Ethanol. 1 to 1.
Cases of methanol poisoning from allegedly drinking alcohol (means excluding deliberate methanol ingestion) are always because unscrupulous seller spiked cheap swills with cheap wholesale industrial spirit for easy profit.
do you not understand the concept of an azeotrope?
if methanol was simply distillable from ethanol, then it wouldn’t be used as a denaturing agent
the same concept is the basis behind ethanol only being distillable to ~95% pure. anhydrous ethanol must undergo further purification
>Ethanol will always be the main byproduct of fermentation. Even if you're using fruit mash. >Distillation are not effective in separating ethanol from other alcohol anyway. You distil to separate alcohol from water (up to a certain limit). Discarding distilled parts is just a matter of taste, not safety. > >You know what's the antidote of methanol? >Ethanol. 1 to 1.
it is true that you will be able to tolerate more methanol when combined with ethanol but damage toyour organs, brain and nerves is still occuring
do you not understand the concept of an azeotrope?
if methanol was simply distillable from ethanol, then it wouldn’t be used as a denaturing agent
the same concept is the basis behind ethanol only being distillable to ~95% pure. anhydrous ethanol must undergo further purification
yes, you cannot remove everything, but you will remove at least a big portion of it
Dumbest shit I've ever read, "chemist" lmao
educate me, i am waiting
I have yet to meet a chemist that isn't a brainlet. The reason why alcohol gives you headaches is because it violently enters your brain by destroying the cell membranes in the blood brain barrier. Given the right quantity, it will always give you headaches, no matter how premium and expensive it is.
it goes without saying that alcohol above a certain amount will cause aforementioned problems. other solvents - you need not as much
3 ml of ether are enough to cause headaches and dizzyness.
10 ml of isopropanol will give you a massive headache.
2 ml of methanol make you blind
people have downed 200 ml of ethanol and had no hangovers.
>various butanols
That's the good stuff thoughever.
I have yet to meet a chemist that isn't a brainlet. The reason why alcohol gives you headaches is because it violently enters your brain by destroying the cell membranes in the blood brain barrier. Given the right quantity, it will always give you headaches, no matter how premium and expensive it is.
It’s not only the alcohol. There are many other things that add to the damage but don’t add to the fun so it’s best to only have alcohol and as little as possible of all the other products of fermentation.
Alcohol gives you headaches because it dehydrates you. When I drank alcohol(and I drank a lot) I always drank a lot mineral water with it and never had headaches.
I think it depends on what it is. Cheap vodka is fine, when you get down to it it's primarily desired to be just water and ethanol, and the way you get concentrated ethanol cheaply is by fractional distilling which gets you a very pure distillate. Simply dilute with clean water and viola you've got functional vodka.
Cheap whiskey and tequila I'd shy away from, anything that's supposed to have flavors other than ethanol are likely to be adulterated to taste somewhat like aged spirits without the cost associated with the aging process.
Also I personally avoid anything stored in plastic, it's probably fine with modern plastics but glass has been a trusted nonreactive container forever.
Stuff like whiskey is worse for you than stuff like vodka. During the fermentation, a lot more than ethanol is produced and in whiskey they keep some of that stuff in the distillation intentionally for flavour
This is one of the biggest most moronic copes around. You should just make your own (fermented not distilled) anyway. Use the apples and peaches from my trees, have months worth of alcohol. I’m sure it’s healthier than what you can buy. But at the end of the day any way you slice it, alcohol is poison. Cannot fricking believe how stupid and easily influenced people are when they sit down to their glass of 200 dollar whiskey and talk about how smooth it is and doesn’t cause hangovers. It still tastes like fricking piss. If the nature of something is inherently so unappealing that it takes decades and hundreds/thousands of dollars just to make it taste less bad then to pretend it’s actually good is beyond fricking stupid. You don’t need to age coke for 50 years or put it in hyperborean oak tended to by Scottish highlanders just to make it barely passable to drink in small sips.
>It still tastes like fricking piss.
Sorry that you don't like whiskey, anon. I genuinely do, but conversely haven't found a single beer that is palatable to me.
What the frick is that, jesus fricking christ, america was a mistake. >alcohol in plastic container
As an european i never even imagined this was possible.
Never understood Yankees living under the boot of israelites but being proud of the Country they live for, fighting a war of genocide on whites just to worship Black folk. “Rent Free” he says as the economy worsens, interest rates sky-rocket, whites are murdered and pushed from society more and more everyday. It’s like some strange Stockholm syndrome from being brutalized so much or they are stuck in some Shadilay 2015 meme mindset.
>As an european i never even imagined this was possible.
That's why we live rent free in your heads
What the frick is that, jesus fricking christ, america was a mistake. >alcohol in plastic container
As an european i never even imagined this was possible.
>Is cheap alcohol actually worse for you?
Yes. >How does that work? alcohol is alcohol
Correct. But different production methods leave different contaminants in it, such as byproducts and unreacted reagents, no matter how much you purify it. This is all fine and dandy when you're talking about alcohol obtained through fermentation, because the contaminants are starches, sugar and maybe bits of yeast (there are issues with fermented alcohol too, because one of the byproducts is methanol. However methanol is easier to remove than other contaminants). But when you're talking about alcohol obtained synthetically, the contaminants consist of unreacted reagents and traces of catalyst material, which are toxic.
Unless you live in the US where everything is made of corn, cheap alcohol is more likely to have been produced via the synthetic method.
Not only that, but cheap alcohol is also less likely to have been refined properly, and can thus contain an even higher quantity of toxic contaminants (catalyst and unreacted reagents in the case of synthetic production, methanol in the case of fermented alcohol).
But just as a sidenote, if you're drinking so much that you have to make a cost/benefit analysis and worry about the health effects of the contaminants, maybe you should taper off. Alcohol is meant to be enjoyed, not chugged, let alone consumed in industrial quantities.
Don't underestimate people's desire to be cheap. It's not difficult to buy some industrial alcohol, label it as "alcohol produced from fermentation", add some colorants, and then sell it in jugs to alcoholics like OP.
Can see what you're saying but I can drink several glasses of stoli vodka and feel perfectly fine the next day.
However I have even a fraction of svedka vodka and I will have a headache in the morning.
Not every alcohol is totally pure or what the impurities are. It's the other stuff that causes the worst hangovers and why wine hangovers suck so hard. People put a lot of stuff in wine to make different flavors.
Not always. With brandy, THE cheapest brandy available (Paul Masson) is actually way better than any midshelf $40 brandy or vsop cognac or whatever. You have to spend like $90+ to get better than a $12 fifth of Pauly Masson.
Probably not but if you're such an alcoholic that you need to buy whiskey that comes in an oil jug then you're liver and pancreas are already fricked.
your*
Did you just make a meme-tier mistake?
>Is cheap alcohol actually worse for you?
1. Cheap alcohol usually comes in plastic containers. Plastic is bad for you.
2. Cheap alcohol may be cheap because someone is trying to pawn off methanol as ethanol and therefore you run a statistical risk of it being bad for you.
>Cheap alcohol may be cheap because someone is trying to pawn off methanol as ethanol and therefore you run a statistical risk of it being bad for you.
what kind of 3rd world shithole do you come from?
It's more common insides 3rdies, but you understand alcohol can be imported from 3rdies, right? It normally crosses borders because someone "mislabeled" it during translation or whatever, but it happens. I would say the risk is probably "effectively 0" if you're first world, but if you're buying premium the risk is absolutely 0 without scare quotes. There were a fair number of instances of hand sanitizer being contaminated during the pandemic because everyone was in a rush to manufacture the stuff.
You sound so gay when you say "thirdies" dude
>what kind of 3rd world shithole do you come from?
there is usually a miniscule contamination with methyl in any bottle, its just that the process of purifying it is so good its not gonna affect your health. However, with a brand or moonshine production, sometimes a gram or 2 might slip into a final product
>a gram or 2 might slip into a final product
That would have zero effect on you. Ethanol is an antidote to methanol.
>Ethanol is an antidote to methanol.
Source
Methanol on itself isn't poisonous, it needs to be converted into formaldehyde first to harm you; ethanol has much higher affinity to the enzyme that does it, so methanol is expelled from the body before it is processed and does any damage.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1306022/
>secret esoteric knowledge
homie, that's enzymes 101 stuff.
>That would have zero effect on you.
That is incorrect. Some of the methanol will get metabolized and turned into formaldehyde no matter how much ethanol you're drinking, and that formaldehyde will do damage to you. The difference is that, since the damage done is minimal, you don't notice it. Symptoms show up only from chronic consumption.
What ethanol does is it protects you from the acute symptoms of methanol poisoning. It does not protect you from the chronic symptoms.
Methanol and formic acid doesn't stay long in the body. And the amount in the circumstances you've proposed is negligible, thanks to ethanol affinity to alcohol dehydrogenase.
Formate is toxic, but not potently toxic.
Assuming you're drinking alcoholic drinks made for consumption (not for industrial use or illegal spiking), not deliberately taking methanol like supplements, you're more likely to die from liver failure first before you suffers from the chronic formate toxicity.
>deliberately taking methanol like supplements
>2. Cheap alcohol may be cheap because someone is trying to pawn off methanol as ethanol and therefore you run a statistical risk of it being bad for you.
Usually not a concern if you don't live in the third world or the US
Old mate running a station house back I'm the 70s in Australia used to drink straight methanol and he lived to like 90 it won't kill you but the hangovers might. I know it's true because Malcolm Douglas said so.
>made in third world country with no regulations
>expired ten years ago
Go over to IST and learn to homebrew for frick's sake.
WTF are you talking about? It clearly says "Premium Quality"on the label
It's called 'aged'
It's actually usually better for you because it has less processed shit, less artificial chemicals etc. The cheaper the closer it is to how it was traditionally made
Horseshit
I usually draw the line where it hurts my teeth. Right now I drink premium wine do it's not consistent with my drinking vision.
Usually it's worse because they add sugars and flavorings, I would only buy cheap vodka.
>cheap vodka
If only you saw how it's made.
badly distilled alcohol may contain other alcohols including but not limited to 1- or 2-propanol, various butanols or even methanol. our bodies know how to process ethanol, and they cant deal with the others so well. not no mention various other organic compounds that are even worse.
badly brewed/fermented stuff on the other hand has not gone through the distillation process and may conttain in addition various non-volatile fermentation byproducts that can be even more toxic.
however, expensive does not mean good, ive drank many expensive vodkas that gave me strong headaches and upset stomachs (beluga, danska etc)
i can recommend wyborowa, grey goose, absolut and various polish vodkas from BZK Alco
t. chemist
>t. chemist
You're a fat larper LMFAO
T sex haver
>T sex haver
proof: 0
Prüüüfffff
>Show me having sex
as i expected. 0 proof therefore you argument is invalid
Ethanol will always be the main byproduct of fermentation. Even if you're using fruit mash.
Distillation are not effective in separating ethanol from other alcohol anyway. You distil to separate alcohol from water (up to a certain limit). Discarding distilled parts is just a matter of taste, not safety.
You know what's the antidote of methanol?
Ethanol. 1 to 1.
Cases of methanol poisoning from allegedly drinking alcohol (means excluding deliberate methanol ingestion) are always because unscrupulous seller spiked cheap swills with cheap wholesale industrial spirit for easy profit.
Methanol boils at a lower temperature than ethanol, so you discard the first few mls to be safe. Its that simple.
do you not understand the concept of an azeotrope?
if methanol was simply distillable from ethanol, then it wouldn’t be used as a denaturing agent
the same concept is the basis behind ethanol only being distillable to ~95% pure. anhydrous ethanol must undergo further purification
>Ethanol will always be the main byproduct of fermentation. Even if you're using fruit mash.
>Distillation are not effective in separating ethanol from other alcohol anyway. You distil to separate alcohol from water (up to a certain limit). Discarding distilled parts is just a matter of taste, not safety.
>
>You know what's the antidote of methanol?
>Ethanol. 1 to 1.
it is true that you will be able to tolerate more methanol when combined with ethanol but damage toyour organs, brain and nerves is still occuring
yes, you cannot remove everything, but you will remove at least a big portion of it
educate me, i am waiting
it goes without saying that alcohol above a certain amount will cause aforementioned problems. other solvents - you need not as much
3 ml of ether are enough to cause headaches and dizzyness.
10 ml of isopropanol will give you a massive headache.
2 ml of methanol make you blind
people have downed 200 ml of ethanol and had no hangovers.
dangerously based
Dumbest shit I've ever read, "chemist" lmao
I have yet to meet a chemist that isn't a brainlet. The reason why alcohol gives you headaches is because it violently enters your brain by destroying the cell membranes in the blood brain barrier. Given the right quantity, it will always give you headaches, no matter how premium and expensive it is.
It’s not only the alcohol. There are many other things that add to the damage but don’t add to the fun so it’s best to only have alcohol and as little as possible of all the other products of fermentation.
Alcohol gives you headaches because it dehydrates you. When I drank alcohol(and I drank a lot) I always drank a lot mineral water with it and never had headaches.
>various butanols
That's the good stuff thoughever.
I like the scene in The Lighthouse when they distill booze from the gasoline and start acting like chimps, good movie
I think it depends on what it is. Cheap vodka is fine, when you get down to it it's primarily desired to be just water and ethanol, and the way you get concentrated ethanol cheaply is by fractional distilling which gets you a very pure distillate. Simply dilute with clean water and viola you've got functional vodka.
Cheap whiskey and tequila I'd shy away from, anything that's supposed to have flavors other than ethanol are likely to be adulterated to taste somewhat like aged spirits without the cost associated with the aging process.
Also I personally avoid anything stored in plastic, it's probably fine with modern plastics but glass has been a trusted nonreactive container forever.
Stuff like whiskey is worse for you than stuff like vodka. During the fermentation, a lot more than ethanol is produced and in whiskey they keep some of that stuff in the distillation intentionally for flavour
This is one of the biggest most moronic copes around. You should just make your own (fermented not distilled) anyway. Use the apples and peaches from my trees, have months worth of alcohol. I’m sure it’s healthier than what you can buy. But at the end of the day any way you slice it, alcohol is poison. Cannot fricking believe how stupid and easily influenced people are when they sit down to their glass of 200 dollar whiskey and talk about how smooth it is and doesn’t cause hangovers. It still tastes like fricking piss. If the nature of something is inherently so unappealing that it takes decades and hundreds/thousands of dollars just to make it taste less bad then to pretend it’s actually good is beyond fricking stupid. You don’t need to age coke for 50 years or put it in hyperborean oak tended to by Scottish highlanders just to make it barely passable to drink in small sips.
>It still tastes like fricking piss.
Sorry that you don't like whiskey, anon. I genuinely do, but conversely haven't found a single beer that is palatable to me.
zrink up my fren
What the frick is that, jesus fricking christ, america was a mistake.
>alcohol in plastic container
As an european i never even imagined this was possible.
>As an european i never even imagined this was possible.
That's why we live rent free in your heads
Never understood Yankees living under the boot of israelites but being proud of the Country they live for, fighting a war of genocide on whites just to worship Black folk. “Rent Free” he says as the economy worsens, interest rates sky-rocket, whites are murdered and pushed from society more and more everyday. It’s like some strange Stockholm syndrome from being brutalized so much or they are stuck in some Shadilay 2015 meme mindset.
Or you’re just brown and trying to fit in.
kek you seem to know a lot about a country you don't even live in, wonder why that is
Now tell us what shithole you live in.
I hate the USA for being a puppet state of Israel
it costs like 2 euros
KADCO is from sierra leone
In eastern-europe beer comes in plastic bottles like Coca-Cola
tru. when i was drunkard i drank these and 9% 500ml rotguts as they are cheapest for mililter of alcohol. vodka is at least like twice as expensive.
>america
This is African alcohol. Rent free spotted. moron
It’s not the alcohol that different, it’s all the other mystery syrups they use to flavor it so it tastes like whiskey or vodka or beer
Do americans really?
The answer to that question is always yes eurogay
Technically, I think Canadian sweatshop workers do it because the labor is cheaper, and then it’s shipped to our gas stations
The Brits and Germans used to burn alive israelites that put sugars in the alcohol. Americans are passive brain dead cattle.
Flavor makes no difference to me. It’s all garbage water. I just want to get drunk.
>is this expensive bottle of poison bad for me?
>is this cheap bottle of poison bad for me?
who else /steel reserve/ here?
>leave work after long shift
>stop by the gas station
>get a couple big cans of steel reserve for $5
this is the way
>think about steeling out tonight
>liver twinges
go on without me bro
It's just as harmful as expensive booze
>Is cheap alcohol actually worse for you?
Yes.
>How does that work? alcohol is alcohol
Correct. But different production methods leave different contaminants in it, such as byproducts and unreacted reagents, no matter how much you purify it. This is all fine and dandy when you're talking about alcohol obtained through fermentation, because the contaminants are starches, sugar and maybe bits of yeast (there are issues with fermented alcohol too, because one of the byproducts is methanol. However methanol is easier to remove than other contaminants). But when you're talking about alcohol obtained synthetically, the contaminants consist of unreacted reagents and traces of catalyst material, which are toxic.
Unless you live in the US where everything is made of corn, cheap alcohol is more likely to have been produced via the synthetic method.
Not only that, but cheap alcohol is also less likely to have been refined properly, and can thus contain an even higher quantity of toxic contaminants (catalyst and unreacted reagents in the case of synthetic production, methanol in the case of fermented alcohol).
But just as a sidenote, if you're drinking so much that you have to make a cost/benefit analysis and worry about the health effects of the contaminants, maybe you should taper off. Alcohol is meant to be enjoyed, not chugged, let alone consumed in industrial quantities.
I doubt that there’s any place where alcohol that is intended for drinking isn’t made through fermentation.
Don't underestimate people's desire to be cheap. It's not difficult to buy some industrial alcohol, label it as "alcohol produced from fermentation", add some colorants, and then sell it in jugs to alcoholics like OP.
Can see what you're saying but I can drink several glasses of stoli vodka and feel perfectly fine the next day.
However I have even a fraction of svedka vodka and I will have a headache in the morning.
Not every alcohol is totally pure or what the impurities are. It's the other stuff that causes the worst hangovers and why wine hangovers suck so hard. People put a lot of stuff in wine to make different flavors.
That looks like something I would use to degrease car parts. Give it a go.
alcohol itself is literal rat poison
as in it is also poisonous to rats? you figure that out all by yourself anon? kek
Use a water filter and your good to go
https://youtube.com/shorts/2UN5x6e2ZPI?si=n5Hp3IQwxk1iRYPa
>Best before Dec 2012
I guess it's not best, but it's still good.
cheap booze is far more likely to make me puke or at least have indigestion.
Not always. With brandy, THE cheapest brandy available (Paul Masson) is actually way better than any midshelf $40 brandy or vsop cognac or whatever. You have to spend like $90+ to get better than a $12 fifth of Pauly Masson.
Yes. Cheaper distillation, they add things in there to save on costs and speed up process. Thats mostly in regards to spirits.
If one makes their own mead, what is a reasonable ABV to expect?
That depends entirely on how much honey you add but you can get 5-10
IIRC something around 10–14% depending on the strain of yeast is the maximum you can get without distillation.
Alcohol is just god awful for you all around
Cheaper is worse because you drink more of it