Pretty much. The final form of CICO is >I just eat more food when I want to gain weight, and I eat less food when I want to lose weight
No complicated meme diet bullshittery, just basic shit that people have been doing for thousands of years
>just basic shit that people have been doing for thousands of years
This is the filter.
I started eating like my grandpa and he ate the way his grandpa taught him.
People weren't complete morons and we've figured out what we need and humans have survived all over the planet just fine. A lot of the issues we've had have come from agriculture like beriberi, fricked up teeth/jaw or here the lack of selenium in the ground which led to heart problems which led to North-Karelia project which led to a LOT of people dying because of moronic dietary guidelines which are in effect even today. And all of that becaue of large-scale agriculture and pretending we know better than those before us.
Basically during it they realised it made frick-all difference compared to someone from a city, it was realised selenium was the issue, or lack of it in our ground thus putting it into the ground with fertilizers. Bing bang boom, heart issues went away, from that cause anyway.
But just like Ancel Keys, they couldn't take the blow to their egos and admit they were wrong, they just published it and told everyone that butter and animal fats are the satan and how rapeseed oil is liquid jesus. Keys even cited the project as rousing success and an example.
And now we're fatter and sicker than ever before.
Every single fricking nutritionist israelite scammer should be shot, hanged and salted before being burned. I hate them so much, they've cause millions of deaths worldwide and most people aren't even aware of how much damage their lies have caused.
>And now we're fatter and sicker than ever before.
Are you Finnish or just saying for ejole human population?
Got links for heart disease data? I'm kinda not in spot to search around.
>Are you Finnish or just saying for ejole human population?
Finn anon and this was mostly for finnish but I feel this applies to many westernized countries as well. >Got links for heart disease data?
No hard data, haven't even browsed the internet for this stuff.
Just books from the local library and local history and what my grandpa talked about.
I have my opinions about our current (finnish) dietary guidelines and how we grow our food and what we eat and I might very well be dead wrong but its gone downhill since the karelia project was claimed a rousing success and I've seen first hand what children are fed in schools and its not good (worked as a cook).
>People weren't complete morons and we've figured out what we need and humans have survived all over the planet just fine.
i am not sure i agree or disagree.
i think people through trial and error collectively worked out how to eat but there was not really much deliberate reflection involved.
so cut people off from their traditional foodways and they show you that they are moronic because they can't figure out how to put together the pieces of good health from what they have.
>think people through trial and error collectively worked out how to eat but there was not really much deliberate reflection involved.
That was what I was going for, we figured out pretty good diets and ways to survive but we haven't yet adapted to modern society and its pitfalls.
>I just eat more food when I want to gain weight, and I eat less food when I want to lose weight
Well, define "more food". My dishes are less calorically dense when cutting so there's "more food", namely salad, veggies, potatoes and such. I technically "eat less" when bulking with cheeses, pasta, peanut butter and that stuff.
You gotta reframe your mind.
100 calories of broccoli is the same amount of "food" as 100 calories of cheese.
The human drive to fill our stomachs to be full became obsolete with industrialization. Food scarcity is a meme in the USA. Where I live(blue state), even the hobos are fat.
I think my point didn't come across: I'm not refuting CICO, I'm talking about caloric density. In layman's terms (aka normie understanding of the world) a big bowl of salad is "more food" than a spoonful of peanut butter, yet it's much better to lose weight. The average person is clueless about these things, I know it's just semantics but people work like that. Recommending CICO, which is purely numbers, is much different than the subjective "eat more to gain weight and less to lose weight". How many times have we seen some fatty trying the "ice cream diet" or something utterly moronic like that, common sense isn't common.
I love how accurate this is regarding midwits, and how it applies to so many subjects.
If I was in a room with an enemy and a midwit with one bullet, I'd shoot the midwit. Just so I don't have to listen to overcomplicated but ultimately misleading and false views of the world.
Bell curve is literally midwit cope they sre st the very bottom. It's how they cope with so.eone they perceive as stupid but better at and more successful at said thing to feel better. But In reality they are too stupid comprehend what they're being told or reading or look for consistency in all the information they are reading to form a conclusion on what to do. And just can't actually learn and can only see the surface because their Iqs are indeed the lowest on the bell cure
Midwit too keep it simple but like I said you are the lowest on the curve literally getting g dopamine hits from. Typos . Ulti.ate way to spot low iq slags
It's a moronic image and you're a midwit for thinking this. Midwit has never meant someone with average intelligence, its used to imply someone of slightly above average intelligence who considers themselves a genius and acts arrogantly about it. Someone of average intelligence isn't going 'oh my science, praise dawkins', they're in the 110-120 iq range, 1 standard deviation above the mean.
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If your iq was 'lowest on the bell curve' you'd be mentally moronic, as I assume you are.
Found the coping drooled Ameristart that thinks he's average intelligence . Told you this bell curve is pure low in mong cope
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Kys someone points out you can't form sentences >w-well you moron bec.se I said
You are a sad sack of shit
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>Black person can’t type in the age of spellcheck >umm sctualy yo.,r the retyrud
Nerve it lol facts always get the most the most enraged and coping replies from many different people especially when it applies to many people. Every fricking time
It's a moronic image and you're a midwit for thinking this. Midwit has never meant someone with average intelligence, its used to imply someone of slightly above average intelligence who considers themselves a genius and acts arrogantly about it. Someone of average intelligence isn't going 'oh my science, praise dawkins', they're in the 110-120 iq range, 1 standard deviation above the mean.
Bell curve is literally midwit cope they sre st the very bottom. It's how they cope with so.eone they perceive as stupid but better at and more successful at said thing to feel better. But In reality they are too stupid comprehend what they're being told or reading or look for consistency in all the information they are reading to form a conclusion on what to do. And just can't actually learn and can only see the surface because their Iqs are indeed the lowest on the bell cure
If your iq was 'lowest on the bell curve' you'd be mentally moronic, as I assume you are.
T. Autistic broke Virgin that thinks he's above average intellect despite being broke as shit and making as much money as the average black in his country lol
>It's a moronic image and you're a midwit for thinking this. Midwit has never meant someone with average intelligence
Hey midwit, where did I say midwit meant average int, hmm? (You just assumed so, so you can feel superior, like a true midwit)
its not iq, its humility. the "midwit" is just arrogant and insecure so they follow what ever is officially correct so they can feel intelligent and morally superior. I've known lots of dumb people that fit the "midwit" stereotype. but anyways, its not as simple as calorie in, calorie out because the goal is to get your body to burn fat which it will not do if your insulin is high. if you snck on 1000 calories of sugar through out the day you will not burn fat and just feel like garbage, its much more practical and effective to manage insulin instead of calories.
CICO should be the norm for weight loss and just assume that any autists who claim that you can eat like 4000 calories a day if you're sedentary and omit either carbs or fats from your diet without gaining weight are just shitposting or outright braindead (talking to you ketotards and delusional ultra low fat autists). that being said, weight loss =/= overall health so that's where CICO comes short
keto helps you suppress your appetite. particularly for sugary bullshit.
you could lose weight on a given amount of twinkies but good luck not either roping or cheating.
It's also about muscle retention. Weight loss on a high protein diet vs high carb or fat diet will net different results at the end in terms of body composition. Protein also nets you less usable energy and has a higher energy requirement for digestion, so it would aid weight loss. But it all summs to calories in vs out, even factoring different effects of certain foods/diets. Anyone who denies this is moronic, especially the "THE BODY USES ENERGY/NUTRIENTS NOT CALORIES" crowd. It's like saying something isn't 100 meters because meters don't actually exist. Just because it's how we measure something doesn't mean that measurement is meaningless
>Weight loss on a high protein diet vs high carb or fat diet will net different results at the end in terms of body composition.
This may be incidentally true in some cases, but a diet's macronutrient profile isn't what modulates lipolysis and proteolysis.
>cycles tens of kilometers every day >literally impotent >pins a copious amount of roids, including tren just look like a natty ottermode
here's your (You) homosexual
>nooo what about Biggest Loser contestants? >they went on a really unhealthy crash diet but when they went back to their old eating habits they gained the weight back >that means you can’t lose weight by eating less
People seem to argue over CICO because they refuse to understand that it's a principle rather than exact science. I guess the fact that it always applies leaves no excuses so it can not be accepted as real.
I'm just not going to count calories and you can't make me. I will continue losing weight and getting healthier by exercising less and eating thousands of kcal worth of just meat over my "TDEE". You can't stop me.
this is made by a stupid gay who doesn't have the brain capacity to consider all the variables. it's much easier to make a dumb meme where you put yourself as a smart person than to actually be smart.
CICO is truth, simple and pure.
It's not a diet, it's just a cold hard fact.
If you want good diet which implements CICO, try fasting. If you want a shit diet which imprements CICO, try dirty bulking.
>geniuses know that fat storage in the human body can be balanced easily like a checkbook >your hormones don’t affect how you store fat >how foods affect your hormones doesn’t matter, all calories are equal >CICO hasn’t worked for 40 years as everyone just gets fatter and fatter, but I’m sure everyone on the planet is just too moronic to read a kitchen scale and do simple addition >I know all of this because of doctors and scientists bought and paid for by the sugar industry
you >people are hopeless
>CICO hasn’t worked for 40 years as everyone just gets fatter and fatter, but I’m sure everyone on the planet is just too moronic to read a kitchen scale and do simple addition
Unironically true. The amount of people who don't actually know how much they put in their body is wild. That, and people don't work nearly hard enough to craft a good body or burn the calories they have in excess.
Its pretty evident when you start paying attention. I'm pretty light, but when I'm trying to put on mass and start counting, eating in excess quickly starts putting mass on my body. When I stop, I quickly lose it.
>CICO hasn’t worked for 40 years as everyone just gets fatter and fatter
40 years ago plenty of people still didn't have tv remotes and had to get up and walk across the room to change the channel. Everything in life was like that, so people passively burned probably 100-200 more calories a day PLUS whatever they burned just by entertainment being more active in general. You're one of those morons who applies modern living to past generations
> 40 years ago plenty of people still didn't have tv remotes and had to get up and walk across the room to change the channel.
lol 40 years ago was 1983 not 1953 zoomie
I still had a dial tv in the 90's moron. PLENTY of people had old tvs in 1983 because the picture technology stayed about the same from when color tvs were invented until HD. You clearly weren't born before the year 2000
> i still had a dial tv in the 90s
LMFAO HOW POOR? > You clearly weren't born before the year 2000
keep coping.
cable had huge market penetration and new colour tv sets superior and larger to the ones that debuted in the late 50s/early 60s had gone mass market and came with remotes.
you were just a poorgay flyover hillbilly living in a trailer. that’s why you know nothing about what the real world was doing.
1983 in England still had like 3 television channels, maybe channel 4 (yes that was it's name) started around that time. A remote control for the tele was the last thing anyone needed.
We ate far less, less often and were far more active. If you only knew today's standards you wouldn't think people could survive like that.
And that's much more luxurious than the war rationing years of the 1940-50s.
>>CICO hasn’t worked for 40 years as everyone just gets fatter and fatter
Because people are eating more (Calories In), and working out less (Calories out).
How does this disprove CICO?
That homosexual is literally suffering from brain damage, imagine thinking that you can literally outrun actual facts because he's married to some shitty meme diet that probably keeps him skinnyfat forever.
I really want all diet cultists who claim their gay shit is "the way" to be culled and turned into fertilizer for the greater good of humanity. There's enough homosexual morons out there already, we don't need these dopes steering vulnerable people into wasting time on their shit.
Under reporting food and over reporting activity is the main downfall of most dieters. Has more ego than intelligence I've met plenty of 'smart people' who can never admit they made a mistake even when it's apparent like their denial changes reality.
>fasting every day if im not doing extended fasts (24+ hours) >dont even have to measure calories as with my diet there’s no way to go in a surplus >still believe in CICO though
CICO is good, but there is some important nuance - but that's mostly about eating the kinds of food that will help you keep your calories down.
High sugar, high fat, foods, especially stuff with a soft texture, but a hard/crispy/snappy exterior (mars bar/fried chicken/hot dog) are what's known as "hyperpalatable". It's really addictive, and it causes hunger hormones to increase, and satiety hormones to decrease.
Other than that, eating a lot of Omega-3 seems to help your gut bacteria, and a healthy microbiome has been linked to weight loss.
If your only goal is weight loss then sure
But if you want to recomp it does matter what you're eating. If you eat at a calorie deficit and all you're eating is bread and pasta, you're going to end up skinny fat
CICO is a fact of the universe. HOW you get to the caloric differential matters. If you simply eat reduced portions of crappy foods, you will be in a negative calorie balance, but you won't feel as good and you're likely not to sustain it. Technically sitting on the couch and eating Doritos is CICO if I eat below my maintenance calories.
People who successfully lose weight and keep it off make underlying lifestyle changes with respect to their food choices, exercise, sleep, social circles, hobbies etc., not through a short-term "diet" to hit a goal weight. This is why so few people lose weight and fewer still maintain it.
CICO is like saying "to avoid hypothermia, maintain a body temperature of at least 95 degrees." It's true, but if you're out in the cold, what matters more is knowing how to make a fire and find shelter.
so just to clear this once and for all
if I need 2500 for maintain, and I work out for 500 kcal, and I eat 3000 clean, protein heavy meals, is this not going to help me lose weight at 22% BF? or will it?
I don't think it will and if it does it will take a lot time to be visible.
Gaining muscle while maintaining the amount of fat your body holds will decrease bf% eventually.
For example: >start of with 15%bf, 75kg >ff 1 year, where you gain 5kg of muscle but little fat >you now weigh ~ 80kg and have 14%bf
hmmm so maintaining BF is easy while gaining weight, but losing it is hard while also lifting progressively heavier weights?
so if I am working out for 2 years, and managed to go from 28 to 22 and can lift some decent numbers now, should I just cut a lil and do what I do to get down to 15-17 and then bulk clean while increasing the weights?
going from 22 to 15 will probably take forever if you don't cut
but if you are at it, I wouldn't go from 22 to 15, but rather to 13 so that your abs show more
it's not fit as a whole, it's just that some people lie to themselves instead of facing reality. when a class of people with comfortable lives throughout childhood, unmarred and unaware of hardship, you get a sort of sociopathic group that think they control elements of reality itself. Historically this usually only developed in the ruling and priest classes >Pre buddhism/jainism india had Bramins acting like the gods served them >Republican Roman Patricians who once held the value of military service highly would vote to start wars just to send their sons off to fight them, grew to see the military as plebeian work. The military became the new working class >Chinese history is full of courts writing poetry about desiring unifying conquest instead of doing it and courts too caught up in intrigue to bother responding to revolts and invasion. >The french aristocracy threw parties to project power while the populace and lower aristocrats suffered from natural disaster and starvation
Modernity is a first only in that it happens to a majority of a nations populace. When you find someone talking shit about cico, you speak to a decadent bastard who needs realities hammer upon him.
Saying calories in, calories out is like saying the economy is money in, money out. It's true but it's an oversimplification to get an idea across. The mechanisms, diet choices, lifestyle, opportunities and roadblocks behind calories in and calories out is a complex subject. No health coach in the world is going to tell you "lmao just eat less"
CICO it's true but it's not enough, if you do your CICO diet on junk food you'll lose weight but it'll be mostly muscle and you'll feel like shit all the way through
It definitely works. I eat whatever I want but I make sure to only eat enough to not feel sick and weak. I never eat until I feel full. I'm 130lbs and 5'6
cico is generally true but a simplification, drinking 10 000 kcal of melted ice cream won't make you gain 2.5kg of fat even though 3000kcal is one kg of fat whereas if you ate 1000kcal surplus for a few week you would easily gain 2.5kg
some people just dont want to accept the physical biology and physics combo. But hey you can be cool and join the IST discord today and be neat and stuff. discord.gg/a9zucXzc4n
The meme should be inverted. Low IQ eat what they want with no thought in it and they can build mass because they don't overthink it. Midwits fall for meme diets like veganism/bro diets/IIFYM which hyperfocus on things like macros but have no focus on satiety, bioavailability or the nutrient ratios of natural wholefoods, high IQ people understand that Traditional wisdom has more utility than muh science and that if you just eat according to your evolutionary diet you don't even need to track anything.
weighing/tracking a diet = pure midwittery. Midwits can't figure out that if your diet needs to be tracked or supplemented, it isn't natural. Midwits can't understand first principles, they frame everything in terms of ~~*studies*~~ which most of the time are incompetent.
calories are a near useless construct. your digestive system doesnt work like a bomb calorimeter. eat proper human food and your weight will regulate itself just like all your other body systems
giving CICO as advice to someone who wants to slim down is as smoothbrained as coaching a sportsball team and telling them to just score more than the other guys
you're stripping away all the nuance and missing the problem entirely. That being said, CICO is a good reminder to people that deny physics exist and claim wild shit like "your metabolism slows down".
tl;dr CICO is the "what" don't be a dummy and confuse it for the "how"
Pretty much. The final form of CICO is
>I just eat more food when I want to gain weight, and I eat less food when I want to lose weight
No complicated meme diet bullshittery, just basic shit that people have been doing for thousands of years
>just basic shit that people have been doing for thousands of years
This is the filter.
I started eating like my grandpa and he ate the way his grandpa taught him.
People weren't complete morons and we've figured out what we need and humans have survived all over the planet just fine. A lot of the issues we've had have come from agriculture like beriberi, fricked up teeth/jaw or here the lack of selenium in the ground which led to heart problems which led to North-Karelia project which led to a LOT of people dying because of moronic dietary guidelines which are in effect even today. And all of that becaue of large-scale agriculture and pretending we know better than those before us.
>North-Karelia project
Elaborate, I only saw reports of it's success.
Basically during it they realised it made frick-all difference compared to someone from a city, it was realised selenium was the issue, or lack of it in our ground thus putting it into the ground with fertilizers. Bing bang boom, heart issues went away, from that cause anyway.
But just like Ancel Keys, they couldn't take the blow to their egos and admit they were wrong, they just published it and told everyone that butter and animal fats are the satan and how rapeseed oil is liquid jesus. Keys even cited the project as rousing success and an example.
And now we're fatter and sicker than ever before.
Every single fricking nutritionist israelite scammer should be shot, hanged and salted before being burned. I hate them so much, they've cause millions of deaths worldwide and most people aren't even aware of how much damage their lies have caused.
>And now we're fatter and sicker than ever before.
Are you Finnish or just saying for ejole human population?
Got links for heart disease data? I'm kinda not in spot to search around.
>Are you Finnish or just saying for ejole human population?
Finn anon and this was mostly for finnish but I feel this applies to many westernized countries as well.
>Got links for heart disease data?
No hard data, haven't even browsed the internet for this stuff.
Just books from the local library and local history and what my grandpa talked about.
I have my opinions about our current (finnish) dietary guidelines and how we grow our food and what we eat and I might very well be dead wrong but its gone downhill since the karelia project was claimed a rousing success and I've seen first hand what children are fed in schools and its not good (worked as a cook).
>People weren't complete morons and we've figured out what we need and humans have survived all over the planet just fine.
i am not sure i agree or disagree.
i think people through trial and error collectively worked out how to eat but there was not really much deliberate reflection involved.
so cut people off from their traditional foodways and they show you that they are moronic because they can't figure out how to put together the pieces of good health from what they have.
>think people through trial and error collectively worked out how to eat but there was not really much deliberate reflection involved.
That was what I was going for, we figured out pretty good diets and ways to survive but we haven't yet adapted to modern society and its pitfalls.
>I just eat more food when I want to gain weight, and I eat less food when I want to lose weight
Well, define "more food". My dishes are less calorically dense when cutting so there's "more food", namely salad, veggies, potatoes and such. I technically "eat less" when bulking with cheeses, pasta, peanut butter and that stuff.
This is the midwit that has to make things more complex because their brains fail to comprehend syntax and conversational context.
>ignores the point with intellectual grandstanding
Alright thanks.
Surprising response.
Sod off now.
You gotta reframe your mind.
100 calories of broccoli is the same amount of "food" as 100 calories of cheese.
The human drive to fill our stomachs to be full became obsolete with industrialization. Food scarcity is a meme in the USA. Where I live(blue state), even the hobos are fat.
I think my point didn't come across: I'm not refuting CICO, I'm talking about caloric density. In layman's terms (aka normie understanding of the world) a big bowl of salad is "more food" than a spoonful of peanut butter, yet it's much better to lose weight. The average person is clueless about these things, I know it's just semantics but people work like that. Recommending CICO, which is purely numbers, is much different than the subjective "eat more to gain weight and less to lose weight". How many times have we seen some fatty trying the "ice cream diet" or something utterly moronic like that, common sense isn't common.
If they can't read the calorie count on the packaging or the internet they can't be saved by anything less than a benevolent dictatorship.
>define more food
no, figure it out for yourself frickwit, because it’s obvious if you think about it for more than seven seconds
I love how accurate this is regarding midwits, and how it applies to so many subjects.
If I was in a room with an enemy and a midwit with one bullet, I'd shoot the midwit. Just so I don't have to listen to overcomplicated but ultimately misleading and false views of the world.
Bell curve is literally midwit cope they sre st the very bottom. It's how they cope with so.eone they perceive as stupid but better at and more successful at said thing to feel better. But In reality they are too stupid comprehend what they're being told or reading or look for consistency in all the information they are reading to form a conclusion on what to do. And just can't actually learn and can only see the surface because their Iqs are indeed the lowest on the bell cure
> they sre st the
> with so.eone they
> And just can't actually learn
> their Iqs
> lowest on the bell cure
Found the bottom of the bell curve aka midwit
Dead I pointed out typos !!! Did you get a dopamine hit you absolute drooler
>You are al so retudered!
>Can’t type a single sentence without fricking something up.
Keep coping.
Midwit too keep it simple but like I said you are the lowest on the curve literally getting g dopamine hits from. Typos . Ulti.ate way to spot low iq slags
Found the coping drooled Ameristart that thinks he's average intelligence . Told you this bell curve is pure low in mong cope
Kys someone points out you can't form sentences
>w-well you moron bec.se I said
You are a sad sack of shit
>Black person can’t type in the age of spellcheck
>umm sctualy yo.,r the retyrud
Bro talking about low IQ while having a stroke
Nerve it lol facts always get the most the most enraged and coping replies from many different people especially when it applies to many people. Every fricking time
Can't take you serious read before posting you moronic c**t
It's a moronic image and you're a midwit for thinking this. Midwit has never meant someone with average intelligence, its used to imply someone of slightly above average intelligence who considers themselves a genius and acts arrogantly about it. Someone of average intelligence isn't going 'oh my science, praise dawkins', they're in the 110-120 iq range, 1 standard deviation above the mean.
If your iq was 'lowest on the bell curve' you'd be mentally moronic, as I assume you are.
T. Autistic broke Virgin that thinks he's above average intellect despite being broke as shit and making as much money as the average black in his country lol
>It's a moronic image and you're a midwit for thinking this. Midwit has never meant someone with average intelligence
Hey midwit, where did I say midwit meant average int, hmm? (You just assumed so, so you can feel superior, like a true midwit)
its not iq, its humility. the "midwit" is just arrogant and insecure so they follow what ever is officially correct so they can feel intelligent and morally superior. I've known lots of dumb people that fit the "midwit" stereotype. but anyways, its not as simple as calorie in, calorie out because the goal is to get your body to burn fat which it will not do if your insulin is high. if you snck on 1000 calories of sugar through out the day you will not burn fat and just feel like garbage, its much more practical and effective to manage insulin instead of calories.
CICO should be the norm for weight loss and just assume that any autists who claim that you can eat like 4000 calories a day if you're sedentary and omit either carbs or fats from your diet without gaining weight are just shitposting or outright braindead (talking to you ketotards and delusional ultra low fat autists). that being said, weight loss =/= overall health so that's where CICO comes short
keto helps you suppress your appetite. particularly for sugary bullshit.
you could lose weight on a given amount of twinkies but good luck not either roping or cheating.
kys
i don't disagree with this
It's also about muscle retention. Weight loss on a high protein diet vs high carb or fat diet will net different results at the end in terms of body composition. Protein also nets you less usable energy and has a higher energy requirement for digestion, so it would aid weight loss. But it all summs to calories in vs out, even factoring different effects of certain foods/diets. Anyone who denies this is moronic, especially the "THE BODY USES ENERGY/NUTRIENTS NOT CALORIES" crowd. It's like saying something isn't 100 meters because meters don't actually exist. Just because it's how we measure something doesn't mean that measurement is meaningless
>Weight loss on a high protein diet vs high carb or fat diet will net different results at the end in terms of body composition.
This may be incidentally true in some cases, but a diet's macronutrient profile isn't what modulates lipolysis and proteolysis.
obligatory
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html
> His premise: That in weight loss, pure calorie counting is what matters most -- not the nutritional value of the food.
> The premise held up: On his "convenience store diet," he shed 27 pounds in two months.
> Two-thirds of his total intake came from junk food.
i kneel to the twinkie maestro
>CICO
Surely we all knew this was possible
Probably not ideal nutrition though
It's true that being a normal weight doesn't necessarily make you healthy but being fat definitely makes you unhealthy.
fat makes you fat though, lots of people who eat around 4000 calories of carbs with minimum amount of fat but they stay lean
who are these "people"? lol @(You) if you mention durianrider
post body ketolard, harley mogs you
>cycles tens of kilometers every day
>literally impotent
>pins a copious amount of roids, including tren just look like a natty ottermode
here's your (You) homosexual
>cycles tens of kilometers every day
You have to be a fat Amerimutt powerlifter or something if that sounds like a lot to you
he cycles moronic distance like thirty to forty kilometers every day dumbass, and pro-level time too tbf to him
keto legit gives me super powers
>nooo what about Biggest Loser contestants?
>they went on a really unhealthy crash diet but when they went back to their old eating habits they gained the weight back
>that means you can’t lose weight by eating less
Saying "CICO" as weight loss advice is as braindead as saying "Movement" for fitness advice.
anon you cannot just murder a man like that
Sometimes you gotta take a step back and remind yourself that your brain only knows:
>keep doing thing
>must become better at doing thing
I JUST WITNESSED A MASSACRE
oh no no no
It's over.
LETSSSS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
People seem to argue over CICO because they refuse to understand that it's a principle rather than exact science. I guess the fact that it always applies leaves no excuses so it can not be accepted as real.
It's almost as if, the type of calories you eat and the amount both matter
It's usually the fatties who deny CICO as well.
I'm just not going to count calories and you can't make me. I will continue losing weight and getting healthier by exercising less and eating thousands of kcal worth of just meat over my "TDEE". You can't stop me.
I'm sorry but we must stop you before you become too powerful
this is made by a stupid gay who doesn't have the brain capacity to consider all the variables. it's much easier to make a dumb meme where you put yourself as a smart person than to actually be smart.
CICO is truth, simple and pure.
It's not a diet, it's just a cold hard fact.
If you want good diet which implements CICO, try fasting. If you want a shit diet which imprements CICO, try dirty bulking.
>imprements
What?
>geniuses know that fat storage in the human body can be balanced easily like a checkbook
>your hormones don’t affect how you store fat
>how foods affect your hormones doesn’t matter, all calories are equal
>CICO hasn’t worked for 40 years as everyone just gets fatter and fatter, but I’m sure everyone on the planet is just too moronic to read a kitchen scale and do simple addition
>I know all of this because of doctors and scientists bought and paid for by the sugar industry
you >people are hopeless
>CICO hasn’t worked for 40 years as everyone just gets fatter and fatter
Has nothing to do with the fact that people eat more, right?
>CICO hasn’t worked for 40 years because people eat more
genius oxymoron
>CICO hasn’t worked for 40 years as everyone just gets fatter and fatter, but I’m sure everyone on the planet is just too moronic to read a kitchen scale and do simple addition
Unironically true. The amount of people who don't actually know how much they put in their body is wild. That, and people don't work nearly hard enough to craft a good body or burn the calories they have in excess.
Its pretty evident when you start paying attention. I'm pretty light, but when I'm trying to put on mass and start counting, eating in excess quickly starts putting mass on my body. When I stop, I quickly lose it.
>manlet hungry skeltal tells others of his experience and expects it to apply to them
lol
Post body you stupid coping homosexual
>CICO hasn’t worked for 40 years as everyone just gets fatter and fatter
40 years ago plenty of people still didn't have tv remotes and had to get up and walk across the room to change the channel. Everything in life was like that, so people passively burned probably 100-200 more calories a day PLUS whatever they burned just by entertainment being more active in general. You're one of those morons who applies modern living to past generations
> 40 years ago plenty of people still didn't have tv remotes and had to get up and walk across the room to change the channel.
lol 40 years ago was 1983 not 1953 zoomie
I still had a dial tv in the 90's moron. PLENTY of people had old tvs in 1983 because the picture technology stayed about the same from when color tvs were invented until HD. You clearly weren't born before the year 2000
> i still had a dial tv in the 90s
LMFAO HOW POOR?
> You clearly weren't born before the year 2000
keep coping.
cable had huge market penetration and new colour tv sets superior and larger to the ones that debuted in the late 50s/early 60s had gone mass market and came with remotes.
you were just a poorgay flyover hillbilly living in a trailer. that’s why you know nothing about what the real world was doing.
In the 90s my parents had a dial TV in a faux-wooden frame box with built in TV legs. Us kids were the remote control.
>cable had huge market penetration and new colour tv sets superior etc.
Reads like someone who "researched" this instead of living it.
I had a tube TV with a dial on it until the early 2000's
1983 in England still had like 3 television channels, maybe channel 4 (yes that was it's name) started around that time. A remote control for the tele was the last thing anyone needed.
We ate far less, less often and were far more active. If you only knew today's standards you wouldn't think people could survive like that.
And that's much more luxurious than the war rationing years of the 1940-50s.
>>CICO hasn’t worked for 40 years as everyone just gets fatter and fatter
Because people are eating more (Calories In), and working out less (Calories out).
How does this disprove CICO?
>I don't believe in thermodynamics
You are a moron and it is a (moral) crime for you to vote.
That homosexual is literally suffering from brain damage, imagine thinking that you can literally outrun actual facts because he's married to some shitty meme diet that probably keeps him skinnyfat forever.
I really want all diet cultists who claim their gay shit is "the way" to be culled and turned into fertilizer for the greater good of humanity. There's enough homosexual morons out there already, we don't need these dopes steering vulnerable people into wasting time on their shit.
Under reporting food and over reporting activity is the main downfall of most dieters. Has more ego than intelligence I've met plenty of 'smart people' who can never admit they made a mistake even when it's apparent like their denial changes reality.
Everyone believes in CICO, it's just that other can CO faster and better than others.
>fasting every day if im not doing extended fasts (24+ hours)
>dont even have to measure calories as with my diet there’s no way to go in a surplus
>still believe in CICO though
CICO is good, but there is some important nuance - but that's mostly about eating the kinds of food that will help you keep your calories down.
High sugar, high fat, foods, especially stuff with a soft texture, but a hard/crispy/snappy exterior (mars bar/fried chicken/hot dog) are what's known as "hyperpalatable". It's really addictive, and it causes hunger hormones to increase, and satiety hormones to decrease.
Other than that, eating a lot of Omega-3 seems to help your gut bacteria, and a healthy microbiome has been linked to weight loss.
> Post body you stupid coping homosexual
nta but the fact you replied with a wojak instead of your body speaks volumes
lol assmad shitalians ITT
>Upset dyel who can't deal with the simplicity of CICO
Self doxxing with that image anon?
If your only goal is weight loss then sure
But if you want to recomp it does matter what you're eating. If you eat at a calorie deficit and all you're eating is bread and pasta, you're going to end up skinny fat
Me on the left, CICO just works, I'll just eat less when I want to cut.
CICO is a fact of the universe. HOW you get to the caloric differential matters. If you simply eat reduced portions of crappy foods, you will be in a negative calorie balance, but you won't feel as good and you're likely not to sustain it. Technically sitting on the couch and eating Doritos is CICO if I eat below my maintenance calories.
People who successfully lose weight and keep it off make underlying lifestyle changes with respect to their food choices, exercise, sleep, social circles, hobbies etc., not through a short-term "diet" to hit a goal weight. This is why so few people lose weight and fewer still maintain it.
CICO is like saying "to avoid hypothermia, maintain a body temperature of at least 95 degrees." It's true, but if you're out in the cold, what matters more is knowing how to make a fire and find shelter.
Yup. I lost 70lbs last year and a big part wasnt just CICO it was choosing to eat high satiety foods. Thanks, potato.
>Chose to eat high satiety foods
>So that CI < CO
>Thanks CICO
so just to clear this once and for all
if I need 2500 for maintain, and I work out for 500 kcal, and I eat 3000 clean, protein heavy meals, is this not going to help me lose weight at 22% BF? or will it?
I don't think it will and if it does it will take a lot time to be visible.
Gaining muscle while maintaining the amount of fat your body holds will decrease bf% eventually.
For example:
>start of with 15%bf, 75kg
>ff 1 year, where you gain 5kg of muscle but little fat
>you now weigh ~ 80kg and have 14%bf
hmmm so maintaining BF is easy while gaining weight, but losing it is hard while also lifting progressively heavier weights?
so if I am working out for 2 years, and managed to go from 28 to 22 and can lift some decent numbers now, should I just cut a lil and do what I do to get down to 15-17 and then bulk clean while increasing the weights?
going from 22 to 15 will probably take forever if you don't cut
but if you are at it, I wouldn't go from 22 to 15, but rather to 13 so that your abs show more
not an abs guy but a toned dad bod guy anon so thats why I think my ideal body is feasible for me
just gotta drink even less and eat more I guess
>"Eat less, exercise more" to lose weight is somehow controversial on IST
This board is moronic
it's not fit as a whole, it's just that some people lie to themselves instead of facing reality. when a class of people with comfortable lives throughout childhood, unmarred and unaware of hardship, you get a sort of sociopathic group that think they control elements of reality itself. Historically this usually only developed in the ruling and priest classes
>Pre buddhism/jainism india had Bramins acting like the gods served them
>Republican Roman Patricians who once held the value of military service highly would vote to start wars just to send their sons off to fight them, grew to see the military as plebeian work. The military became the new working class
>Chinese history is full of courts writing poetry about desiring unifying conquest instead of doing it and courts too caught up in intrigue to bother responding to revolts and invasion.
>The french aristocracy threw parties to project power while the populace and lower aristocrats suffered from natural disaster and starvation
Modernity is a first only in that it happens to a majority of a nations populace. When you find someone talking shit about cico, you speak to a decadent bastard who needs realities hammer upon him.
Saying calories in, calories out is like saying the economy is money in, money out. It's true but it's an oversimplification to get an idea across. The mechanisms, diet choices, lifestyle, opportunities and roadblocks behind calories in and calories out is a complex subject. No health coach in the world is going to tell you "lmao just eat less"
>jews are anti-cico
>trans are anti-cico
>females are anti-cico
>anti-cicos never post body
Hmmmm.
CICO it's true but it's not enough, if you do your CICO diet on junk food you'll lose weight but it'll be mostly muscle and you'll feel like shit all the way through
Pretty much. I just eat more good shit if I want to lift heavier.
Dimwit: Fat makes you fat
Midwit: Calories make you fat
Gigabrains: Fat makes you fat, the fat you eat is the fat you wear. Carb the frick up.
insulin AUC * adipose insulin sensitivity >>>>> whatever gay shit you believe
literally just eat healthy too and dont take a catchy 4 word slogan to be a complete guide like a disingenuous autistic lawyer-genie
It definitely works. I eat whatever I want but I make sure to only eat enough to not feel sick and weak. I never eat until I feel full. I'm 130lbs and 5'6
cico is generally true but a simplification, drinking 10 000 kcal of melted ice cream won't make you gain 2.5kg of fat even though 3000kcal is one kg of fat whereas if you ate 1000kcal surplus for a few week you would easily gain 2.5kg
No, Cico is the midwit path. It is quite literally the reddit food option. Even iifym is less reductionist and silly.
A fat heavy diet is more satieting, making it easier to lower CI.
A carb heavy diet fills up your glycogen stores, good if you want a high CO.
Only true sorcerers can successfully recomp.
some people just dont want to accept the physical biology and physics combo. But hey you can be cool and join the IST discord today and be neat and stuff. discord.gg/a9zucXzc4n
The meme should be inverted. Low IQ eat what they want with no thought in it and they can build mass because they don't overthink it. Midwits fall for meme diets like veganism/bro diets/IIFYM which hyperfocus on things like macros but have no focus on satiety, bioavailability or the nutrient ratios of natural wholefoods, high IQ people understand that Traditional wisdom has more utility than muh science and that if you just eat according to your evolutionary diet you don't even need to track anything.
weighing/tracking a diet = pure midwittery. Midwits can't figure out that if your diet needs to be tracked or supplemented, it isn't natural. Midwits can't understand first principles, they frame everything in terms of ~~*studies*~~ which most of the time are incompetent.
People just somehow don't understand the calories out part. It just doesn't register for them.
calories are a near useless construct. your digestive system doesnt work like a bomb calorimeter. eat proper human food and your weight will regulate itself just like all your other body systems
giving CICO as advice to someone who wants to slim down is as smoothbrained as coaching a sportsball team and telling them to just score more than the other guys
you're stripping away all the nuance and missing the problem entirely. That being said, CICO is a good reminder to people that deny physics exist and claim wild shit like "your metabolism slows down".
tl;dr CICO is the "what" don't be a dummy and confuse it for the "how"
>"your metabolism slows down".
it does