If a tough guy has b***hy little legs and wants to mess with me I go all in. Nobody wants this Chud breaking his buck because of the shame. The legs are the powerhouse of rape and pillage so don’t neglect
It’s mostly a pointless exercise for anything other than heavier deadlifts. They don’t do much for real world application because the dangling arms will never be combined with the rest of the deadlift motion in real life. As for aesthetic development, it’s quite minor and overshadowed. Combine that with the generally higher risk of injury, compared to other lifts, and there’s not much reason to train diddy lifts aside from diddy lift competitions.
Maybe a placebo effect. It trains mostly your back and quads while lightly engaging your arms and core. It’s a feel good exercise, but for athletic performance or aesthetics, I find them pointless.
It actually barely hits your back at all. Your lower back is just such a small muscle that the minor loads it carries are enough to seriously fatigue it. Deadlift is primarily a leg and glute exercise.
>Deadlift is only useful for more deadlift. As strength training, it exists in a vacuum.
How is that even possible? Do strong traps, spinal erectors, hamstrings, and forearms not help elsewhere?
Well Mentzer says you are wrong. From the grave his porn stash mocks your very existence. I’ll put more stock in the man who trained Yates than an anon up his own ass.
How do I overcome a pathetic deadlift? If I try to lift any more than 190lbs I feel like I'm going to die. I don't know if it's a mental thing or what, but I can't go any higher than that. That's barely over my own bodyweight.
Check your technique and for the love of god, don't pull with your back as if it were a rowing exercise, most people do it wrong and end up hating the deadlift.
do sets of 1x5 twice or three times a week with warmup sets. i find doing 1x5 a lot easier and more fun because your done after that set. also make sure you are adding weight every session
If you treat it like any of your other lifts and do it 3x8-10 instead of railing heavy singles you'll basically never possibly get injured. It has the highest rate of injury because every dude treats it as a defacto ego lift and goes with whatever weight they can crane their back in half and hitch up to lockout then drop or slam back down instead of using weights they can control all the way up and all the way down for reps.
Controlled negative on a heavy deadlift is begging for a lumbar injury, especially if your back is already being stressed. I work manual labor, I feel it some days in my lower and middle back, I can’t afford to incur an injury of the spine.
Is "controlled negative" just soi speak for setting the weight down or does it mean something else?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
yes and no. I does mean setting the weight down, but it means keeping the muscle under tension as you do it and doing it slowly without abandoning form or allowing compensatory muscles to take over.
Research as shown that the greatest muscle hypertropy (growth) occurs following the eccentric (controlled negative). So those guys you see in the gym slowly lowering their dumbells? those guys are going to grow much faster that the morons who just lift them up to their chin then drop them back to their waist.
nta but your pull looks alot like a clean pull vs a deadlift. my pull form is pretty similar to yours with the upright torso, but only because I did oly lifting for a couple years before.
Because those muscles aren't designed to pull heavy loads from the ground. That's what your legs are for. This is why everyone hurts themselves eventually.
I said lower back. Deadlifts have kept my back pain free as a grunt laborer
https://i.imgur.com/gywl5n4.png
Whatever you say, buddy. If I need more lower back work, I'll just do RDLs
Or you could just squat and deadlift and cover everything
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Or you could just squat and deadlift and cover everything
Or I could just DL and squat with a trap bar and be safer overall. trap DLs aren't that far off straight for hinging.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
None of that really hits the all important spinal erectors
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I said lower back
Trunk extension uses the lower back. You can change your mechanics when you do the trap bar to utilize more lower back by reducing leg extension and increasing trunk extension like you would with stiff leg. However, even then, back squat trains lower back to some degree. Even the standard form for hexbar deadlift has more trunk flexion and extension that back squat so it has to train the lower back anyways.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I deadlift a mere 4.5 plates and have erector cleavage wearing sweatshirts. Does trap bar give you that?
it is the biggest source of back injuries in the gym. there are other ways to train the hip hinge with less load, more hypertrophy and less injury risk. only deadlift if you want to deadlift.
Deadlifts are great. Maybe you could argue that something like a jefferson curl or zercher squat is more "functional" but if you ask me, training the legs, hips, and back to maximally exert themselves seems pretty functional to me.
DYELs, glassbacks, and braindead gymbros will tell you to avoid them because ur spine will totally explode or Sam Sulek doesn't do them or whatever the hell but those people would have a heart attack if they saw how people trained in the, say, the Bronze Era anyway so frick them.
The mind of a deadloofter. It’s a pointless exercise and if it wasn’t a competitive lift category, nobody would bother with them. It’s a powershitter and gym dyel lift.
I don't know what's wrong with my body but deadlifts seem to give me lower back pain consistently. I do core exercise, I lift with a trainer, I wear a belt, I brace, but if my form isn't absolutely perfect, my back hurts. Whenever I feel a little crackle in my lumbar, I know I'm screwed the next day.
I've done some good mornings but probably not enough. What I think may be happening is my core gets fatigued in the last few reps, so I lose my bracing strength, that's when I usually feel that subtle crackle in the lumbar.
I actually haven't deadlifted in months due to a knee injury, but I think I'll start some RDLs next week.
Start light and small if you need to, but consider an exercise that fully flexes the spine over something like RDLs so you can strengthen each individual part of the back in turn through the range of motion. Something like a Jefferson curl with a 5-10lb dumbbell might be a good starting point for you.
> Whenever I feel a little crackle in my lumbar, I know I'm screwed the next day. > Whenever
you heard a "crackle" in your lumbar spine and got pain from it multiple times, and you kept doing deadlifts? did u tell ur trainer about the pain and crackle? lower back, knees, shoulders, the holy trinity, don't frick them up.
The pain was only really bad one time, so I didn't deadlift for a week and then just worked my way back. But sometimes it would flare up again, and it took a long time to fully recover, about 2 months. Since I haven't deadlifted in months my back has been fine, but I'm not going to give up on the lift.
>There are people on this board who not only don’t lift, but actively try to convince people to not deadlift
I don’t even understand the mentality here, do you expect anyone to take you seriously if you think deadlifts are somehow bad for you? I can’t imagine how weak someone has to be to actually be afraid of deadlifting
the new wave of lifters is all about "maximizing gains" via le science based methods
jeff nippard and his ilk have done a number on the lifting community by convincing everyone that classic exercises (bench, deadlift, standing press) are actually very inefficient and scary exercises with a high risk of injury, so you should be doing one armed kneeling cable pullovers instead of benching because you maximize time under tension big stretch blah blah blah
classic example of missing the forest for the trees and not looking at lifting/bodybuilding as the holistic practice that it actually is
worked my way up to a 5pl8 diddly, never once used a belt or was anal about form. today i mostly do sets of 5 for 440 lbs/200 kg once per week
t.DYEL
yeah, it gives you hemorroids
Everything gives you hemorroids if you don't breathe right
Uh, sweetie, it's in the fricking name: DEADlift! If you do it, you could end up DEAD! Of course it's dangerous!
>conventional diddly
>ass and calves glow red
I dont strength train, so no. I just get big juicy muscles for women, so Im not gonna waste my time with deadlifts
If a tough guy has b***hy little legs and wants to mess with me I go all in. Nobody wants this Chud breaking his buck because of the shame. The legs are the powerhouse of rape and pillage so don’t neglect
You can always tell the difference in the physique of someone who lifts for girls and someone who is actually strong
Yes, in a smith machine just to piss everyone off.
It’s mostly a pointless exercise for anything other than heavier deadlifts. They don’t do much for real world application because the dangling arms will never be combined with the rest of the deadlift motion in real life. As for aesthetic development, it’s quite minor and overshadowed. Combine that with the generally higher risk of injury, compared to other lifts, and there’s not much reason to train diddy lifts aside from diddy lift competitions.
Mentzer said it was the most important exercise to make a man shredded head to toe.
Maybe a placebo effect. It trains mostly your back and quads while lightly engaging your arms and core. It’s a feel good exercise, but for athletic performance or aesthetics, I find them pointless.
It actually barely hits your back at all. Your lower back is just such a small muscle that the minor loads it carries are enough to seriously fatigue it. Deadlift is primarily a leg and glute exercise.
>Deadlift is primarily a leg and glute exercise.
Yeah when you do it wrong
He wasnt right about EVERYTHING
Imagine doing this exercise at high weights for years while also being an active athlete only for dyel homosexuals to tell you you’re wrong.
Deadlift is only useful for more deadlift. As strength training, it exists in a vacuum.
>Deadlift is only useful for more deadlift. As strength training, it exists in a vacuum.
How is that even possible? Do strong traps, spinal erectors, hamstrings, and forearms not help elsewhere?
Well Mentzer says you are wrong. From the grave his porn stash mocks your very existence. I’ll put more stock in the man who trained Yates than an anon up his own ass.
Imagine what this homosexual looks like
every serious bodybuilder does them, homosexual
why do deadlifts hen RDLs are superior?
How do I overcome a pathetic deadlift? If I try to lift any more than 190lbs I feel like I'm going to die. I don't know if it's a mental thing or what, but I can't go any higher than that. That's barely over my own bodyweight.
Check your technique and for the love of god, don't pull with your back as if it were a rowing exercise, most people do it wrong and end up hating the deadlift.
You two are dumb as frick
do sets of 1x5 twice or three times a week with warmup sets. i find doing 1x5 a lot easier and more fun because your done after that set. also make sure you are adding weight every session
don't let the bar drift away from your shins, your legs should bleed after doing deadlifts for reps
Yes
No
i am not necromancer scum so no
I deadlift but only like once every 3 weeks I dont go anywhere near max effort.
seems like the worst possible lift
why would i need a big ass?
I already do squat and leg press
If you treat it like any of your other lifts and do it 3x8-10 instead of railing heavy singles you'll basically never possibly get injured. It has the highest rate of injury because every dude treats it as a defacto ego lift and goes with whatever weight they can crane their back in half and hitch up to lockout then drop or slam back down instead of using weights they can control all the way up and all the way down for reps.
Deadlifts are fun
Why are you just dropping it instead of a controlled negative phase?
Anon is not immune to diddly propaganda.
?
who gives a frick
let's see you slowly control 5(?) fricking plates on the way down
Then you didn't actually lift that weight. You only did half the lift.
Controlled negative on a heavy deadlift is begging for a lumbar injury, especially if your back is already being stressed. I work manual labor, I feel it some days in my lower and middle back, I can’t afford to incur an injury of the spine.
Is "controlled negative" just soi speak for setting the weight down or does it mean something else?
yes and no. I does mean setting the weight down, but it means keeping the muscle under tension as you do it and doing it slowly without abandoning form or allowing compensatory muscles to take over.
Research as shown that the greatest muscle hypertropy (growth) occurs following the eccentric (controlled negative). So those guys you see in the gym slowly lowering their dumbells? those guys are going to grow much faster that the morons who just lift them up to their chin then drop them back to their waist.
While I get your point, there are people doing rdl's with your deadlift so?
How is your torso so upright at the beginning? How tall are you?
I'm 6', I actually think the pull would be better if I bent over more.
nta but your pull looks alot like a clean pull vs a deadlift. my pull form is pretty similar to yours with the upright torso, but only because I did oly lifting for a couple years before.
Deadlift is only worth it if you use your glutes and hips, like pic related. If you're pulling it up with your spinal erectors, it's pointless.
>If you're pulling it up with your spinal erectors, it's pointless.
Why. Are weak spinal erectors "pointless"?
Because those muscles aren't designed to pull heavy loads from the ground. That's what your legs are for. This is why everyone hurts themselves eventually.
Dumbass. A deadlift is a deadlift. You can't choose which muscles to engage.
>aren't designed to pull heavy loads
So make 'em stronger.
No. Yes.
>captcha: W8GAY
If you do it right, and respect intensity, frequency and volume, it is one of the best. If you dont, big trouble.
There is a risk if you have bad form. However, slowly becoming a hamplanet is much riskier. I would say that it's more dangerous NOT to do deadlifts.
Had some pain in lower back today. Probably from deadlifting yesterday.
Deadlifts are a useless waste of time. Rdls are actually useful though
I don't see any reason to straight-bar DL over trap bar unless you are a power fatty/strongman, or ego lifter.
But on the other hand you're very small and weak so...
Explain how going to failure on a trap bar will make you any weaker overall than a straight bar?
Trap bar is a different movement. It doesn't train the lower back
There is versatility in the mechanics with trap bar that allows it to use more hamstring and trunk extension.
I said lower back. Deadlifts have kept my back pain free as a grunt laborer
Or you could just squat and deadlift and cover everything
>Or you could just squat and deadlift and cover everything
Or I could just DL and squat with a trap bar and be safer overall. trap DLs aren't that far off straight for hinging.
None of that really hits the all important spinal erectors
>I said lower back
Trunk extension uses the lower back. You can change your mechanics when you do the trap bar to utilize more lower back by reducing leg extension and increasing trunk extension like you would with stiff leg. However, even then, back squat trains lower back to some degree. Even the standard form for hexbar deadlift has more trunk flexion and extension that back squat so it has to train the lower back anyways.
I deadlift a mere 4.5 plates and have erector cleavage wearing sweatshirts. Does trap bar give you that?
If you do it right, yes.
Whatever you say, buddy. If I need more lower back work, I'll just do RDLs
They hit different muscles. Straight bar for more hammies & back, trap for more quads and arms.
Don't arch your back!
>Is deadlifting dangerous?
Yes, still have the snap city receipts to prove it
>Do you deadlift?
Yes.
It literally has DEAD in it's name
How stupid do you need to be
yeah bro i pull 655
nice rack pull
sumo counts as 0 reps
that's not a deadlift you c**t
It's dangerous to me because I have apt plus shit mobility in the hips, legs area so I just injure myself eventually. Same with squats.
Nah don't bother with it, yes it can be dangerous, you need the mobility and know how
it is the biggest source of back injuries in the gym. there are other ways to train the hip hinge with less load, more hypertrophy and less injury risk. only deadlift if you want to deadlift.
what are the other options?
>dangerous
No.
>do you?
Yes.
I've been doing lower weight, higher reps, and now I need to buy a belt.
no strap
no wristwraps
do weight you can manage and build up muscle and strength to add more
its not a sprint its a marathon
>no strap
>turning a posterior chain exercise into an extremely fatiguing forearm exercise
Yes, maybe you'll have >4" wrists in few decaded finally.
Or consider this: you can train your grip without sacrificing other gains by isolating them.
hookgrip chads wya
Really? conventional you do every rep from a deadstop, it's hardly a forearm exercise, as let's say... stiff legged.
Deadlifts are great. Maybe you could argue that something like a jefferson curl or zercher squat is more "functional" but if you ask me, training the legs, hips, and back to maximally exert themselves seems pretty functional to me.
DYELs, glassbacks, and braindead gymbros will tell you to avoid them because ur spine will totally explode or Sam Sulek doesn't do them or whatever the hell but those people would have a heart attack if they saw how people trained in the, say, the Bronze Era anyway so frick them.
The mind of a deadloofter. It’s a pointless exercise and if it wasn’t a competitive lift category, nobody would bother with them. It’s a powershitter and gym dyel lift.
Damn bruh you didn't even bother reading my post. I bet you think bending your back will turn you into a cripple.
Deadlifts are necessary to be able to do cleans, the greatest exercise of all
I do romanian deadlifts instead. they are more leg focused and less upper back focused. I do other exercises for my upper back.
I don't know what's wrong with my body but deadlifts seem to give me lower back pain consistently. I do core exercise, I lift with a trainer, I wear a belt, I brace, but if my form isn't absolutely perfect, my back hurts. Whenever I feel a little crackle in my lumbar, I know I'm screwed the next day.
Have you ever directly exercised your lower back?
I've done some good mornings but probably not enough. What I think may be happening is my core gets fatigued in the last few reps, so I lose my bracing strength, that's when I usually feel that subtle crackle in the lumbar.
I actually haven't deadlifted in months due to a knee injury, but I think I'll start some RDLs next week.
Start light and small if you need to, but consider an exercise that fully flexes the spine over something like RDLs so you can strengthen each individual part of the back in turn through the range of motion. Something like a Jefferson curl with a 5-10lb dumbbell might be a good starting point for you.
> Whenever I feel a little crackle in my lumbar, I know I'm screwed the next day.
> Whenever
you heard a "crackle" in your lumbar spine and got pain from it multiple times, and you kept doing deadlifts? did u tell ur trainer about the pain and crackle? lower back, knees, shoulders, the holy trinity, don't frick them up.
The pain was only really bad one time, so I didn't deadlift for a week and then just worked my way back. But sometimes it would flare up again, and it took a long time to fully recover, about 2 months. Since I haven't deadlifted in months my back has been fine, but I'm not going to give up on the lift.
Haha, I definitely didn't frick up my shoulder at work and develop osteolysis at 27, nope no way.
my hands keep slipping on deadlift and I'm barely at 2pl8. how do I get more grip strength? I already vary my rep schemes
Incorporate things like
>Deadhangs
>Pullups
>Chinups
>Hanging leg raises
>Climbing
Stop using those pansy machines
mixed grip
straps
chalk
Try squeezing your fingers to the bar with your thumb
no
yes
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why the frick are there >100 responses
in all fields
Because this place is meant for people to reply to each other. Would you come here if every thread was just a single reply lol
>There are people on this board who not only don’t lift, but actively try to convince people to not deadlift
I don’t even understand the mentality here, do you expect anyone to take you seriously if you think deadlifts are somehow bad for you? I can’t imagine how weak someone has to be to actually be afraid of deadlifting
the new wave of lifters is all about "maximizing gains" via le science based methods
jeff nippard and his ilk have done a number on the lifting community by convincing everyone that classic exercises (bench, deadlift, standing press) are actually very inefficient and scary exercises with a high risk of injury, so you should be doing one armed kneeling cable pullovers instead of benching because you maximize time under tension big stretch blah blah blah
classic example of missing the forest for the trees and not looking at lifting/bodybuilding as the holistic practice that it actually is
Fricked my sacroiliac joint on the left side doing it. Won't go heavy on it anymore. I'll do sets of 10 if I do do it.