I challenge anyone reading this to withhold from yourself:
food for 8 hours in a day
sexual gratification
having your resting heart rate for more than 30 minutes at a time while awake
any exposure to material designed to entertain in some fashion
i mean i just do that stuff for the routine maintenance of my body already because i know if i let my body go to shit ill be even more depressed, but im still depressed lmao
I had to read it closely too, he meant keeping your heart rate above its resting rate, letting it slow down to baseline for not more than 30 minutes at a time. I do that by using nicotine, these zyn packets drive my heart rate over 100 with zero physical activity.
People have been using nicotine gum and nicotine patches for decades without any pattern of pathology. There's no reason to think nicotine is acutely harmful.
I have a crazy sleep schedule because of work and I use fasting to reset it. >Need to go back to sleep at a normal time so that I can wake up rested at a normal time >Don't eat all day >Hunger pangs subside >By the evening, I feel sleepy, even though I woke up in the afternoon >Get a full 8 hours of sleep and wake up at a normal hour, even early sometimes, feeling great >Not even hungry, skip breakfast
No he's a moron. Ketosis is the natural state for all mammals. Literally everyone even the herbivores since herbivores get fat from breaking down fibre which we can't do. Anyone who advocates sugar and carbs as a staple human diet is mentally moronic
>Literally everyone even the herbivores since herbivores get fat from breaking down fibre which we can't do.
Yeah, cows literally have to synthesise pretty much all the sugars they need through neoglycogenesis because their rumen turns almost every carb into various saturated short chain fatty acids
Dairy cows have some pretty extreme systems in place to generate all of the lactose they need for sometimes well over 50 liters of milk a day at peak lactation (I think the world record is over 200l in one day) which @ 6% lactose = 3kg of lactose a day
It is crazy how much you can learn about this topic by just researching all of the vasrious nutritional metabolic diseases dairy cows are prone too.
It doesn't directly all translate over to humans but the amount of high quality commercially tested data is incomparable.
*Sorry that should be 4-5% so 2-2.5kg of lactose generated in a day.
But she's only consuming around 20kgDM of food a day with part of that energy also transferred to milk fat (4%) 2kg and protein (3%) 1.5kg or 6kg of solids per day on top of daily metabolic needs
The high yield dairy cow treads a knife edge.
Doing OMAD(1 meal a day) and in my ~3rd week. Already lost 10 lbs lol. Kinda hard the first week when there's rolling hunger throughout the day, so didnt lose much of the weight that week as I was still trying not to overeat. 2nd week, I laxed off some days and instead of eating once a day, I ate twice (9am and then later in the noon). If I was gonna double eat, I wanted to do so within the short period of time, so that I will atleast get 20 hrs of fasting on that day.
If you're nearing overweight, overweight or even obese, fasting will liberate you.
I don’t know the names of any fad diets or do any research outside of basic nutrition information but I’m doing something similar. I don’t eat anything all day then eat a huge meal for dinner. (Mostly meat and milk but I will eat bread too as a guilty pleasure) I’ve easily gone from 190 lbs to 175 lbs in 7 weeks with minimal muscle loss almost purely fat on my stomach. I live a very active lifestyle
It put's the body into a ketogenic state which can be useful at some points but is not recommended for extended periods due to its effect on sugar processing.
I'm don't know what the evidence shows on approaches such as extended fasting or OMAD on the body long term.
If I try to fast I get very sleepy and my head can feel weird and also very low energy.. I'm told my blood sugars are ok though. Any idea what it might be?
Dissolve a teaspoon of salt in a small glass of water and drink it slowly over a couple of minutes. Without all the food suddenly you're consuming no salt. I'm thin but sometimes fast for fun and salt or broth helps a lot.
The biggest bullshit in the history of dietary """science""". I tried everything: intermittent fasting, keto etc, none of this works. And the only noticeable effect I get if I don't eat for a prolonged period (4+ hours) is a debilitating brain fog.
I program for a living and I need to stay focused for 8 hours every day. The lack of energetic boosts would get me fired. Also, if I ever try to fast for as long as all those neo-druids preach like 8 hours or more, the brain fog turns into pulsating headache.
You realize there are people who write maybe 3 lines of code a week and get paid 100k+ , why do you have to augment your body to pump out 8 hours of shitcode a day or you get fired, that's dystopic
The body cannot sustain itself forever without food. In absence of food, it just churns out the fat cells into energy. Thats what ketosis is. When that happens the fat loss happens, you lose weight, etc.
So basic science is your body needs energy to move. It also stores excess energy in forms of fat. Fats are used by the body when food is limited. With limited food, body weight loss happen. Anyone claiming calorie counting doesn't help is lying. 100% lying.
Ketosis is not the only way to burn body fat for energy. Even after eating 1000kcal of pure glucose, your body is still burning a significant portion of energy as fat in beta oxidation.
Its a natural lie too, given that food is a very intoxicating substance for our brain to incentivize survival. Similar to sex/jerking off/pissing/shitting. Your mind will naturally try to deride the loss of primal craving. Its like trying to argue that people shouldnt pleasure themselves. Only a very hardcore dedicated takes the practice. The rest cannot begin to even try it out for few days. Let alone weeks or months.
So what we have is pathetic homosexuals in denial? Literal childlike psychology, blame the theory because my body doesn't work normally due to my shit lifestyle.
>none of this works
For what?
For clearing up the gunk between your cells (= autophagy)?
For that, fasting works perfectly.
I program for a living and I need to stay focused for 8 hours every day. The lack of energetic boosts would get me fired. Also, if I ever try to fast for as long as all those neo-druids preach like 8 hours or more, the brain fog turns into pulsating headache.
You are not real. Tell me you are rusing us elaborately. How can an actual human being believe going "4+ hours" without eating is "a long time"? What the shit am I even reading? It's like someone saying "going 10 hours without sleeping is a long while".
I am sitting here like: ?????????
I see carnivore diet mentioned as low carb but from what I read around it it seems that for fresh meat at least there is a considerable glycogen content that means your body rarely enters ketosis
Biochemically ketosis is only really triggered when you are unable to supply oxaloacetate to TCA/krebs cycle
>what I read around it it seems that for fresh meat at least there is a considerable glycogen
No ones' supermarket meat has enough glycogen left to break ketosis. However, carnivore dieters are very often not in ketosis because their diet comprises so much protein that their bodies are using enough of it for gluconeogensis to prevent ketosis.
I think you missed my point, I meant to emphasise that a natural carnivore diet would contain some source of carbohydrate in the form of glycogen that would technically prevent ketogenesis or it would be less significant.
We can address the issue of whether peoples' attempts to replicate a carnivore diet through purchase of meat from supermarkets are going to be limited by loss of natural glycogen stores and other components.
The issue then becomes one of how do we supply a form of safe carbohdrates while maintaining the benefits of a carnivore diet.
Other than fruit, plant sources are somewhat suspect and compounded with antinutritional protective components such as tannins, or lectins.
Starting off, I don't recommend anyone do this. It's unhealthy but it got the job done. Recently lost 50 pounds in a couple months by eating one high protein meal a day, no carbs if I could get away with it. Came down to eggs most of the time with high protein lentil soups here and there. Acceptable eating period is 1-9pm. Most times I'd eat at around 2 then not eat anything until the next day. Eat at a deficit but eat greens and nuts along with your protein. If you feel like you're literally starving increase calories for a day then back to basics.
>Weakling detected
You need to start strength training and developing a slight fat surplus. You may not like it, but that is peak performance. Then practice your first fast over the weekend or vacation when you're not at work
I challenge anyone reading this to withhold from yourself:
food for 8 hours in a day
sexual gratification
having your resting heart rate for more than 30 minutes at a time while awake
any exposure to material designed to entertain in some fashion
for 20 days, and report back
i mean i just do that stuff for the routine maintenance of my body already because i know if i let my body go to shit ill be even more depressed, but im still depressed lmao
I don't want to be gay though
>having your resting heart rate for more than 30 minutes at a time while awake
What did anon mean by this?
I had to read it closely too, he meant keeping your heart rate above its resting rate, letting it slow down to baseline for not more than 30 minutes at a time. I do that by using nicotine, these zyn packets drive my heart rate over 100 with zero physical activity.
That can't be healthy for you.. I'm not convinced on the long term of nicotine pouches
People have been using nicotine gum and nicotine patches for decades without any pattern of pathology. There's no reason to think nicotine is acutely harmful.
>nicotine
Forget about that. What you need, anon, is meds.
i could do the first one in my sleep
Heh
I don't understand these
Brainlet. Read the first fricking sentence again.
>Only 8 hours
Holy frick how low is your willpower that you can't even go without food for a single day.
It's hilarious, I can do that in my sleep.
I have a crazy sleep schedule because of work and I use fasting to reset it.
>Need to go back to sleep at a normal time so that I can wake up rested at a normal time
>Don't eat all day
>Hunger pangs subside
>By the evening, I feel sleepy, even though I woke up in the afternoon
>Get a full 8 hours of sleep and wake up at a normal hour, even early sometimes, feeling great
>Not even hungry, skip breakfast
Oh I have the opposite issue, I can't sleep when I fast, I'm sort of hyped up.
You kind of have to hit the bed at the sweet spot, where you're feeling drowsy before you get your second wind
The benefits from fasting are as follows.
1. Your body enters ketosis which is the correct metabolism that your body should use, not burning carbs like a subhuman peasant.
2. You don't injest goyslop and other carbs garbage that damages your body from anti nutrients, toxins, lectins, etc.
3. It encourages your body to breakdown weakened and damaged tissue and replace it with new healthy tissue. This is good for obvious reasons.
Tldr; just eat carnivore diet and every now and then do a 3-4 day fast to activate autophagy.
Yeah the quack chiropractor knows all.
>ketosis
no thanks Id prefer to walk around with functional kidneys.
Ketosis is bad for your kidney?
Once a year I fast during 14 days. I've been doing this for the paat 5 years.
Will I frick my kidney up?
No he's a moron. Ketosis is the natural state for all mammals. Literally everyone even the herbivores since herbivores get fat from breaking down fibre which we can't do. Anyone who advocates sugar and carbs as a staple human diet is mentally moronic
>Literally everyone even the herbivores since herbivores get fat from breaking down fibre which we can't do.
Yeah, cows literally have to synthesise pretty much all the sugars they need through neoglycogenesis because their rumen turns almost every carb into various saturated short chain fatty acids
Dairy cows have some pretty extreme systems in place to generate all of the lactose they need for sometimes well over 50 liters of milk a day at peak lactation (I think the world record is over 200l in one day) which @ 6% lactose = 3kg of lactose a day
It is crazy how much you can learn about this topic by just researching all of the vasrious nutritional metabolic diseases dairy cows are prone too.
It doesn't directly all translate over to humans but the amount of high quality commercially tested data is incomparable.
*Sorry that should be 4-5% so 2-2.5kg of lactose generated in a day.
But she's only consuming around 20kgDM of food a day with part of that energy also transferred to milk fat (4%) 2kg and protein (3%) 1.5kg or 6kg of solids per day on top of daily metabolic needs
The high yield dairy cow treads a knife edge.
Chiro fanbois
carbs made sense when grain was the only reliable long term calorie storage
>Ketosis is the natural state for all mammals
nah
No non-domesticated mammal has ever been observed to undergo ketosis. That includes hibernating bears.
Ketosis isn't the only way for your body to burn fat for energy.
This homie had never heard of beta oxidation.
yes
idiot
moron
Doing OMAD(1 meal a day) and in my ~3rd week. Already lost 10 lbs lol. Kinda hard the first week when there's rolling hunger throughout the day, so didnt lose much of the weight that week as I was still trying not to overeat. 2nd week, I laxed off some days and instead of eating once a day, I ate twice (9am and then later in the noon). If I was gonna double eat, I wanted to do so within the short period of time, so that I will atleast get 20 hrs of fasting on that day.
If you're nearing overweight, overweight or even obese, fasting will liberate you.
I don’t know the names of any fad diets or do any research outside of basic nutrition information but I’m doing something similar. I don’t eat anything all day then eat a huge meal for dinner. (Mostly meat and milk but I will eat bread too as a guilty pleasure) I’ve easily gone from 190 lbs to 175 lbs in 7 weeks with minimal muscle loss almost purely fat on my stomach. I live a very active lifestyle
OMAD + Keto diet (fat/protein mainly, with little carb (bread))
Supposedly fat cell burning happens at the 16th-20th hour of fasting. No idea how that works, but atleast I'm losing weight.
There was some fat scottish guy who fasted for 13 months and lost over 100 kg.
Angus Barbieri
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angus_Barbieri%27s_fast
>Since graduating from chiropractic school [...]
yeah... "Doctor" Berg
AND he's a Scientologists
It put's the body into a ketogenic state which can be useful at some points but is not recommended for extended periods due to its effect on sugar processing.
I'm don't know what the evidence shows on approaches such as extended fasting or OMAD on the body long term.
If you eat carbs and cooked foods/seed oils:
Yes
otherwise: It’s neutral at best to bed at worst
What if you only eat one large meal every two days?
If I try to fast I get very sleepy and my head can feel weird and also very low energy.. I'm told my blood sugars are ok though. Any idea what it might be?
Oh, interesting, when I fast I struggle to sleep for some reason
Dissolve a teaspoon of salt in a small glass of water and drink it slowly over a couple of minutes. Without all the food suddenly you're consuming no salt. I'm thin but sometimes fast for fun and salt or broth helps a lot.
Interesting.. I'll have to try it. If I add 1 teaspoon of pink Himalayan to boiling water and let it cool I'm guessing that will do the trick?
The biggest bullshit in the history of dietary """science""". I tried everything: intermittent fasting, keto etc, none of this works. And the only noticeable effect I get if I don't eat for a prolonged period (4+ hours) is a debilitating brain fog.
>if I don't eat for a prolonged period (4+ hours)
Something is very wrong with your body, if you are serious.
I program for a living and I need to stay focused for 8 hours every day. The lack of energetic boosts would get me fired. Also, if I ever try to fast for as long as all those neo-druids preach like 8 hours or more, the brain fog turns into pulsating headache.
I wouldn't even call it fasting, it normally occurs that I don't eat that long. I don't even need to be too busy, I just don't feel the need to.
>the brain fog turns into pulsating headache.
That is the caffeine withdrawal you end-stage dumb FRICK.
This homie here believe his coffee zombie headaches are caused by not eating like an obese garbage compactor.
Post BMI. no you're not a bodybuilder, shut the frick up
You realize there are people who write maybe 3 lines of code a week and get paid 100k+ , why do you have to augment your body to pump out 8 hours of shitcode a day or you get fired, that's dystopic
Because I live in Europe and here it's a job as any other unless you're super specialised.
Its called lying.
The body cannot sustain itself forever without food. In absence of food, it just churns out the fat cells into energy. Thats what ketosis is. When that happens the fat loss happens, you lose weight, etc.
So basic science is your body needs energy to move. It also stores excess energy in forms of fat. Fats are used by the body when food is limited. With limited food, body weight loss happen. Anyone claiming calorie counting doesn't help is lying. 100% lying.
I have no idea what it has to do with anything, having to eat every four hours isn't normal.
Prove that body fat is energy storage. You can't.
Ketosis is not the only way to burn body fat for energy. Even after eating 1000kcal of pure glucose, your body is still burning a significant portion of energy as fat in beta oxidation.
Its a natural lie too, given that food is a very intoxicating substance for our brain to incentivize survival. Similar to sex/jerking off/pissing/shitting. Your mind will naturally try to deride the loss of primal craving. Its like trying to argue that people shouldnt pleasure themselves. Only a very hardcore dedicated takes the practice. The rest cannot begin to even try it out for few days. Let alone weeks or months.
So what we have is pathetic homosexuals in denial? Literal childlike psychology, blame the theory because my body doesn't work normally due to my shit lifestyle.
>none of this works
For what?
For clearing up the gunk between your cells (= autophagy)?
For that, fasting works perfectly.
You are not real. Tell me you are rusing us elaborately. How can an actual human being believe going "4+ hours" without eating is "a long time"? What the shit am I even reading? It's like someone saying "going 10 hours without sleeping is a long while".
I am sitting here like: ?????????
These are the people telling you that your diet is wrong on the internet.
It's a sad thing to realise.
I suspect you have parasites in your guts that prevent you from absorbing nutrition.
This may come as a shock, but food quality and sanitation in EU is a few steps ahead of the US.
mexico has higher food stanards for some things than the US
You've been poisoned with seed oils. Burning them as fuel causes brain damage.
I see carnivore diet mentioned as low carb but from what I read around it it seems that for fresh meat at least there is a considerable glycogen content that means your body rarely enters ketosis
Biochemically ketosis is only really triggered when you are unable to supply oxaloacetate to TCA/krebs cycle
>what I read around it it seems that for fresh meat at least there is a considerable glycogen
No ones' supermarket meat has enough glycogen left to break ketosis. However, carnivore dieters are very often not in ketosis because their diet comprises so much protein that their bodies are using enough of it for gluconeogensis to prevent ketosis.
>not buying at the wet market and butchering fresh
never gonna make it
I think you missed my point, I meant to emphasise that a natural carnivore diet would contain some source of carbohydrate in the form of glycogen that would technically prevent ketogenesis or it would be less significant.
We can address the issue of whether peoples' attempts to replicate a carnivore diet through purchase of meat from supermarkets are going to be limited by loss of natural glycogen stores and other components.
The issue then becomes one of how do we supply a form of safe carbohdrates while maintaining the benefits of a carnivore diet.
Other than fruit, plant sources are somewhat suspect and compounded with antinutritional protective components such as tannins, or lectins.
>tannins
What?? Is drinking tea daily destroying my gains??
probably depends how much you drink
though I think tanins is more nuts
but lectins and phytates are in most grains
Starting off, I don't recommend anyone do this. It's unhealthy but it got the job done. Recently lost 50 pounds in a couple months by eating one high protein meal a day, no carbs if I could get away with it. Came down to eggs most of the time with high protein lentil soups here and there. Acceptable eating period is 1-9pm. Most times I'd eat at around 2 then not eat anything until the next day. Eat at a deficit but eat greens and nuts along with your protein. If you feel like you're literally starving increase calories for a day then back to basics.
>Weakling detected
You need to start strength training and developing a slight fat surplus. You may not like it, but that is peak performance. Then practice your first fast over the weekend or vacation when you're not at work
Helps you lose weight. Only intraday fasting is sustainable.