I'm not sure what are you trying to say but you have literally zero reason to supplement K-vitamins unless you just had a brutal wild-spectrum antibiotic treatment. Your own gut bacteria synthesize that stuff in more than enough quantities.
I'm not sure you see the trend in modern supplement market, but it operates on the notion that everyone is an idiot but wants to be healthy. Year after year they come up with vitamins or minerals and claim you absolutely need them, makes you this and that healthy and so on. They did this with Vitamin C, now the market is so fricking saturated they literally have to package them in liposomes just so they can differentiate they product from all the others despite having zero reason to do so, since L-ascorbinic acid have zero problem getting absorbed on its own. The new trend is Vitamin D, Magnesium, Probiotics and god knows what else, stuff you would get if you have a normal diet anyway. As long as it doesnt hurt, they will advertise it as the only thing missing from you to being your best self.
Collagen is a peptide, only digested by specific enzymes (collagenases), very rich in glycine and proline (pretty simple and abundant AA, your own body can syntesize them readily)
Every peptide gets digested in your gastrointestinal tract, and used as amino acids to build your own proteins.
Just because you eat it it doesnt magically strenghten your tendons and stuff. There isnt one credibly study that support collagen supplementation has any positive benefits for ligament health. It is a very expensive snake oil for individuals that have more money than brain matter.
If I eat a shit ton of protein will I look like Jay Cutler? No, I need to introduce a specific stimulus that makes my muscles adapt in a way that forces them to grow. Pretty simple stuff really.
>But is there a credible study that disproves it?
This is the exact mentality that enables snake oil sales market to continually make bank. There are always enough gullible individuals that are willing to cough up the dough on the "what if?".
If you had any prior biochemical knowledge you at least understood that your body can and will use the collagen that you digested. But not all proteins are created equal. You probably heard about essential amino acids and stuff, there's a reason people eat muscles (ie. meat) and not tendons and boiled bones. Any excess non essential AA gets into the citric cycle to either be katabolized for energy or if you hardly eat any carbohydrates gets used to create glucose (gluconeogenesis) in your liver.
>This is the exact mentality that enables snake oil sales market to continually make bank
if you were an actual medgay, you would know that studies that try to prove something also conclude it doesnt work.
but wait a minute, ive literally looked up some articles that state it helps with maintaining joint health in athletes but has no significant improvement in people who have severe joint issues. these were liek 2019-2022 studies. you telling me to ignore these and go with your word?
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>These paid studies usually have very weak association with positive benefits, poorly designed with low confidence or exclusively used animal models, or true in very specific circumstances. As usual the devil is in the details.
this is what I wrote about these. Doesnt contradict it one bit. One thing you need to understand about modern science is that one or two article doesnt mean shit. If it's not a metaanalysis using hundreds of peer reviewed papers able to show a clear correlation or association with something you really need to take it with a grain of salt. Human nutritional "science" is a joke on itself.
>not tendons and boiled bones
But this is a part of traditional soups from all over the world.
Maybe it's just for the purpose of not wasting anything, but I would imagine there are some nutrients (especially in the bone) that are not found in muscle tissue.
>There isnt one credibly study that support collagen supplementation has any positive benefits for ligament health
my collagen says it is proven in studies on the package but i haven't bothered to check
Yeah, as you are probably well aware supplement companies doesnt hasitate to pay for one or two studies that minimally support the idea to consume their product, this is the same reason turkesterone and other similar snake oil bullshit gets hyped up from time to time, only to die down after enough people realize its a load of bullshit. These paid studies usually have very weak association with positive benefits, poorly designed with low confidence or exclusively used animal models, or true in very specific circumstances. As usual the devil is in the details.
I feel you, I have a PhD in pharmaceutical science and did my research in a metabolic biochem lab. The stupid shit these anons write every day is just mind blowing. Good on you for fighting the good fight.
kek, I'm a medgay. tried to explain stuff as simple as possible
I feel you, I have a PhD in pharmaceutical science and did my research in a metabolic biochem lab. The stupid shit these anons write every day is just mind blowing. Good on you for fighting the good fight.
Thoughts on the full length spike being proven to inhibit p53 activity, leading to a 90 % drop in HR, NHEJ and V(D)J recombination efficiency?
Thoughts on IgG class switch from 1 and 3 to 4 due to repeated immunization coupled with the well-known mechanism of IgG4-mediated immune system evasion utilized by cancer cells?
The collagen I used made my finger nails grow quicker. But it had zero effect on my skin and hair. I agree with the poster above, about it being a load of bollocks.
I just ordered pic rel. Idgaf if it works or not. I just throw the building blocks at my body so it at least has all it needs to function. I don‘t see how taking this could possibly have any negative side effects, so i see no reason not to take it just in case.
Collagen that you aren’t getting from food is a meme unless it contains a very specific ingredient but I can’t remember what it was. Most of it is fake.
it’s so easy to make gelatin rich foods, just leave the bones/skin in and make soup or broths then remove at the end, all the gelatin will have leeched out
I had really severe acne scarring all over my face. I did 6 sessions of laser treatments to smooth out my face, and it actually worked surprisingly well. The appearance of my acne scars reduced by about 80%. And honestly I felt like I already got good enough results after 3 sessions, but I did 6 just to be extra sure that I did all that I could to achieve maximum results. And while my dermatologist claimed that the results should be permanent, I'm doing other things to boost collagen in my face just to be safe. I'm taking 10 grams of collagen every day, using a red light therapy mask every day, and applying retinol to my face every day. But I'm also taking oral Minoxidil every day to prevent hair loss, and some people on here have claimed that even topical Minoxidil fricked up their face by killing collagen in their face, so that freaked me out. But, so far, I haven't noticed this, so I'm sticking with the oral Minoxidil because I can't take Finasteride because it gave me severe sexual side effects. The only clear sign that I've seen of the collagen powder working is that it's made the ridges in my finger nails much larger. But I can't tell if it's helping my face at all. I just hope that it's doing something since it's definitely affecting my finger nails. And there's no downsides that I'm aware of, so why not.
Red light can possibly ruin face fat, could be a meme, but I’ve heard it. Not seen any people with great skin who have used one of these for ten plus years.
They just use that vitamin A stuff, and maybe C sometimes.
Tho C is unstable.
Never heard of that. On the contrary, everything I've seen says the exact opposite. Red light therapy seems to boost collagen, reduce acne, and make skin look younger and healthier.
My nails grew really fast when I took the stuff for guitar playing.
That sounds fricking moronic and disgusting. I’m talking about joint health and stuff, gay.
>PDCAAS: 0
lol lmao have eggs
Literally fixed my wrist pain I had for 4 years
Really? I've always struggled with a mild wrist pain. I'm going to try it.
good for you man, dont forget to greet with "shalom" your local snake oil salesman!
People didn't start using K2 until 2010s either despite there being plenty of anecdotes.
I'm not sure what are you trying to say but you have literally zero reason to supplement K-vitamins unless you just had a brutal wild-spectrum antibiotic treatment. Your own gut bacteria synthesize that stuff in more than enough quantities.
I'm not sure you see the trend in modern supplement market, but it operates on the notion that everyone is an idiot but wants to be healthy. Year after year they come up with vitamins or minerals and claim you absolutely need them, makes you this and that healthy and so on. They did this with Vitamin C, now the market is so fricking saturated they literally have to package them in liposomes just so they can differentiate they product from all the others despite having zero reason to do so, since L-ascorbinic acid have zero problem getting absorbed on its own. The new trend is Vitamin D, Magnesium, Probiotics and god knows what else, stuff you would get if you have a normal diet anyway. As long as it doesnt hurt, they will advertise it as the only thing missing from you to being your best self.
Saw no affects taking it for 3 months.
It’s good for longevity tho.
Takes 3months and 1 day to start seeing the results.
What you want is type 2 collagen
>hypertrophic
for me it's type X
Collagen is a peptide, only digested by specific enzymes (collagenases), very rich in glycine and proline (pretty simple and abundant AA, your own body can syntesize them readily)
Every peptide gets digested in your gastrointestinal tract, and used as amino acids to build your own proteins.
Just because you eat it it doesnt magically strenghten your tendons and stuff. There isnt one credibly study that support collagen supplementation has any positive benefits for ligament health. It is a very expensive snake oil for individuals that have more money than brain matter.
If I eat a shit ton of protein will I look like Jay Cutler? No, I need to introduce a specific stimulus that makes my muscles adapt in a way that forces them to grow. Pretty simple stuff really.
>There isn't one credibly study that support
But is there a credible study that disproves it?
>very expensive snake oil
Jesse let's cook bone broth
>But is there a credible study that disproves it?
This is the exact mentality that enables snake oil sales market to continually make bank. There are always enough gullible individuals that are willing to cough up the dough on the "what if?".
If you had any prior biochemical knowledge you at least understood that your body can and will use the collagen that you digested. But not all proteins are created equal. You probably heard about essential amino acids and stuff, there's a reason people eat muscles (ie. meat) and not tendons and boiled bones. Any excess non essential AA gets into the citric cycle to either be katabolized for energy or if you hardly eat any carbohydrates gets used to create glucose (gluconeogenesis) in your liver.
>This is the exact mentality that enables snake oil sales market to continually make bank
if you were an actual medgay, you would know that studies that try to prove something also conclude it doesnt work.
In one of the first replies I posted that is what I explicitly stated.
but wait a minute, ive literally looked up some articles that state it helps with maintaining joint health in athletes but has no significant improvement in people who have severe joint issues. these were liek 2019-2022 studies. you telling me to ignore these and go with your word?
>These paid studies usually have very weak association with positive benefits, poorly designed with low confidence or exclusively used animal models, or true in very specific circumstances. As usual the devil is in the details.
this is what I wrote about these. Doesnt contradict it one bit. One thing you need to understand about modern science is that one or two article doesnt mean shit. If it's not a metaanalysis using hundreds of peer reviewed papers able to show a clear correlation or association with something you really need to take it with a grain of salt. Human nutritional "science" is a joke on itself.
>not tendons and boiled bones
But this is a part of traditional soups from all over the world.
Maybe it's just for the purpose of not wasting anything, but I would imagine there are some nutrients (especially in the bone) that are not found in muscle tissue.
>There isnt one credibly study that support collagen supplementation has any positive benefits for ligament health
my collagen says it is proven in studies on the package but i haven't bothered to check
Yeah, as you are probably well aware supplement companies doesnt hasitate to pay for one or two studies that minimally support the idea to consume their product, this is the same reason turkesterone and other similar snake oil bullshit gets hyped up from time to time, only to die down after enough people realize its a load of bullshit. These paid studies usually have very weak association with positive benefits, poorly designed with low confidence or exclusively used animal models, or true in very specific circumstances. As usual the devil is in the details.
The only person ITT who understands metabolism to even a secondary school level. Congratulations, you are the King.
kek, I'm a medgay. tried to explain stuff as simple as possible
I feel you, I have a PhD in pharmaceutical science and did my research in a metabolic biochem lab. The stupid shit these anons write every day is just mind blowing. Good on you for fighting the good fight.
Pls drop some truth bombs on shit anons write.
Are you vaccinated against COVID-19?
Don't talk to me unless you are gigavaxxed
Yes, and against most other things.
Verification not required
Thoughts on the full length spike being proven to inhibit p53 activity, leading to a 90 % drop in HR, NHEJ and V(D)J recombination efficiency?
Thoughts on IgG class switch from 1 and 3 to 4 due to repeated immunization coupled with the well-known mechanism of IgG4-mediated immune system evasion utilized by cancer cells?
Reasonable post on /fit. I dedicate all my today's OHP reps to you.
Cheers, King!
The collagen I used made my finger nails grow quicker. But it had zero effect on my skin and hair. I agree with the poster above, about it being a load of bollocks.
Made the pain in my tendons go away
I just ordered pic rel. Idgaf if it works or not. I just throw the building blocks at my body so it at least has all it needs to function. I don‘t see how taking this could possibly have any negative side effects, so i see no reason not to take it just in case.
It made my knees stop cracking during squats and it made my left elbow feel real smooth, had pain in my left elbow doing OHP.
Great for your joints
Collagen that you aren’t getting from food is a meme unless it contains a very specific ingredient but I can’t remember what it was. Most of it is fake.
it’s so easy to make gelatin rich foods, just leave the bones/skin in and make soup or broths then remove at the end, all the gelatin will have leeched out
I had really severe acne scarring all over my face. I did 6 sessions of laser treatments to smooth out my face, and it actually worked surprisingly well. The appearance of my acne scars reduced by about 80%. And honestly I felt like I already got good enough results after 3 sessions, but I did 6 just to be extra sure that I did all that I could to achieve maximum results. And while my dermatologist claimed that the results should be permanent, I'm doing other things to boost collagen in my face just to be safe. I'm taking 10 grams of collagen every day, using a red light therapy mask every day, and applying retinol to my face every day. But I'm also taking oral Minoxidil every day to prevent hair loss, and some people on here have claimed that even topical Minoxidil fricked up their face by killing collagen in their face, so that freaked me out. But, so far, I haven't noticed this, so I'm sticking with the oral Minoxidil because I can't take Finasteride because it gave me severe sexual side effects. The only clear sign that I've seen of the collagen powder working is that it's made the ridges in my finger nails much larger. But I can't tell if it's helping my face at all. I just hope that it's doing something since it's definitely affecting my finger nails. And there's no downsides that I'm aware of, so why not.
Red light can possibly ruin face fat, could be a meme, but I’ve heard it. Not seen any people with great skin who have used one of these for ten plus years.
They just use that vitamin A stuff, and maybe C sometimes.
Tho C is unstable.
Never heard of that. On the contrary, everything I've seen says the exact opposite. Red light therapy seems to boost collagen, reduce acne, and make skin look younger and healthier.
Want joint and bone health? Exercise them regularly and get good sleep and good nutrition
Take Ostarine or Anavar if you want to make it faster
Some studies show it increases skin collagen density.