>full retard bulk when 17-19 >decent powerbloat achieved >don't even barbell bench, just do incline dumbbell and weighted dips >don't lift at all for 10 years
>start lifting again, 30lbs lighter >don't bench at all for the first 3 months, only OHP >raise OHP by 15kg for working sets >start doing some casual CGB for high rep for a few weeks >decide to start barbell benching, test max >hit 215lbs, fail lmao2pl8 225lbs >run a beginner x2 bench a week program for first time >hit 225lbs in 2 weeks
literal skill issue
>be me >18 >lifting since freshman >always below 2pl8s >quit for a year >start uni >decide to go back to gym >hit 2pl8s first day back >be now >20 >almost at 315
what the fuck?
I don't know what changed, if anything I stared lifting less in general
I will literally die happy hitting 315 before I'm 21 as a natty
I don't even take supplements or anything anymore, all I do is eat eggs, eat beef liver, drink milk, eat tons stews, drink OJ, and eat bananas to control my IBS.
I don't even take protein powder anymore. Never touched creatine in my life.
That's awesome dude. When I was 18 I weighed 135 pounds got pinned under the bar benching 110 pounds.
Never went back, built my own home gym to save myself the embarrassment. Still can't bench over 200.
You are probably 99th percentile strong.
>if anything I stared lifting less in general >all I do is eat eggs, eat beef liver, drink milk, eat tons stews, drink OJ, and eat bananas
HIT and food is and always has been the whey.
I decline benched 225 for 3 yesterday after doing flat bench and decline 1 plate for a total of 120 reps plus a work up from 185 to 205. I'm pretty sure anybody can bench 225lbs of they train for like a year.
thats entirely subjective, read up on the pros and cons and write it down. in my case i would say no, i wouldnt fuck around with my hormones. i also know a few previous roiders and they all are fat as fuck and has a bunch of hormonal issues and skin issues aswell as gyno
just look at his puffy red watery face, plus he died at fucking 40 somethin, to look impressive you need to keep blasting, do you really want organ damage and reduce your lifespan by 20-30 years to impress homosexual gymrats? not to mention you will have side effects like acne, hairloss, roid rage, gyno, water retention and aging in the face, if you try to come off you will have depression for months and your natural test levels will never be the same. stay natty and healthy.
I'm close to benching 3pl8s as a natty. I see juiceheads who can't bench 3pl8s, imagine spending money on and injecting chemicals made in some chinks bath tubs and still getting out lifted by me.
Zoomer run off instant gratification. No way they’re going to spend 3 - 4 years getting to 3pl8 bench. That is the normal now. Little shit gays lift for a year or less and throw a baby tantrum over some weights then go and ruin their entire hormonal system because they don’t understand consistency or discipline
I'm close to benching 3pl8s as a natty. I see juiceheads who can't bench 3pl8s, imagine spending money on and injecting chemicals made in some chinks bath tubs and still getting out lifted by me.
If you start roiding before you hit at least two plates natty you WILL look like shit (see pic related). All the people who look good with roids likely put at least 4 natty years into the gym. Then to start they go light on it.
But judging by this thread, you are using them as a shortcut. You can't even go through the most basic of research and you gotta have it spoonfed to you. You are gonna fuck yourself up for life because you are lazy.
Good to know. I am pretty much cured of my lifting injuries and was going to get ripped pretty quick and back up to 2 pl and hit the roids a bit this summer. Plan was to lift in my garage and cycle to a fishing lake to camp which will be outfitted with camping gear I dropped off with my car and go and break dead trees with my greatsword and get quiet, peaceful rest because my house is across the street from a gas station. Plus catch fresh fish and have a cooler full of burritos and a cooler full of protein shakes... guess it will have to wait a few years..damn. don't wanna look that mentally ill zoomer freak
This is so true. If you look like shit natural, you’re gonna look like shit on roids. If you roid before 1/2/3/4 you’re genuinely a gay. Ideally you get even higher before you start. And then you start with MILD doses.
>25cc a day >just to look like a cookie cutter fraudster at any commercial gym
Tragic
Actually he looks like a skeleton now at age 29 because Bostin is dead, from fucking up his liver. I think his son wasn't even a year old? Fucking roidtrannies
..Is this a meme? I rep 2pl8 as a natty often and can rep 250. Yet, I overheard some juicehead saying the following at my gym: >For guys on steroids, it will take about a year to break the 225 wall.
It must be skill. They must be doing something wrong, or they must have weak genetics, hence the roids.
Dunno I can do 265lbs and I'm natty and not even that muscular. I've done shit loads of pushups and dips while fat though lol but yeah 2 plaets wasn't even a speedbump.
The difference is that normies on steroids give literally zero fucks about the amount they lift. They don’t autistically program a routine and periodize/deload/peak or do any of that shit because they don’t care about numbers. They just want to look good.
Like they might end up with a 250 lb bench after a year and you’ll say “that’s not shit” while you obsess over t getting that number. Meanwhile, their main chest exercise is cable flies and they bench once a week when a lot of girls are in the gym. You’re not some type of god; they’d just don’t give a shit about powerlifting.
I bench 315 lb for 5 reps and regularly see naturals bench more than me, thing is they have physiques that they would literally be too embarrassed to show off at the beach and I bench once a week solely to get a pump
Wanna brag? Lift more than a “roid chud” AND look better than them. Then you can brag. Because if you don’t look better than them, that’s the trade off you’re making.
>normies >not giving a shit about how much they bench >roiding normies >not giving a shit about how much they bench
lmao
the trade off is being stronger than you while simultaneously having, hair at age 30, and not organ damage by age 40
Every single roider I've encountered has been retarded.
So yes, I do think it is indicative.
There is some damage that not even little blue pills can fix.
Besides, roiding is used solely to chase body images that were invented by garden gnomes.
It saddens me to see so many people infected with this insidious parasite.
everyone can tell youre on roids and will instantly think you're an insecure gay. I respect natties a lot more because it's much harder to achieve rather than taking shortcuts
Yes of course. It's medicinal science why shouldn't we use it? I was not going to step foot in the gym without some help. I have the worst possible genetics. 5'10 115lbs for my entire adult life. It was my doctors who decided testosterone is for me in order to not break every bone in my body. I went from 115 last year in March to 175 right now and still about 11-12% bf. Yes i used way more than prescribed but if i was gonna blow up I'm gonna fucking blow up the correct way.
>fame >non-stop pucci >at least a million dollars earnings >maybe so
>anything else >NO
Imagine being some young dude, a nobody, in a nobody area. Roiding and thinking you will be king shit and Instead you become another victim of the roid masses.
Ask yourself this, how many famous roiders do you know, see, or hear of?
Now how many people take roids.
You'll earn more, be more famous, and have more sex being a competitive eater than you ever will being some roid chud.
And if you are some tall attractive dude, your success will come from that, and never roids.
>short and ugly >should i roid
No. You have the internet in front of you. Learn some shit. Dedicate to that. You're advance and progress better than being some manlet roid ugly nobody chud with a weak heart.
Get as far as you can natty, then go to roids. You can get a lot further than you think by just fixing your shit.
I recommend benching 225x8 and squat 315x8 as a natty MINIMUM
Bench 225 as a natty.
I can’t
i can bench 140kg natty
as for rich
the natty might live life being weak,
but at least they get to stay alive to live it
> Tfw personal best when 25 and never able to get close to it again 10 years later
Feels bad bros
>full retard bulk when 17-19
>decent powerbloat achieved
>don't even barbell bench, just do incline dumbbell and weighted dips
>don't lift at all for 10 years
>start lifting again, 30lbs lighter
>don't bench at all for the first 3 months, only OHP
>raise OHP by 15kg for working sets
>start doing some casual CGB for high rep for a few weeks
>decide to start barbell benching, test max
>hit 215lbs, fail lmao2pl8 225lbs
>run a beginner x2 bench a week program for first time
>hit 225lbs in 2 weeks
literal skill issue
>be me
>18
>lifting since freshman
>always below 2pl8s
>quit for a year
>start uni
>decide to go back to gym
>hit 2pl8s first day back
>be now
>20
>almost at 315
what the fuck?
I don't know what changed, if anything I stared lifting less in general
I will literally die happy hitting 315 before I'm 21 as a natty
I don't even take supplements or anything anymore, all I do is eat eggs, eat beef liver, drink milk, eat tons stews, drink OJ, and eat bananas to control my IBS.
I don't even take protein powder anymore. Never touched creatine in my life.
That's awesome dude. When I was 18 I weighed 135 pounds got pinned under the bar benching 110 pounds.
Never went back, built my own home gym to save myself the embarrassment. Still can't bench over 200.
You are probably 99th percentile strong.
Puberty
>if anything I stared lifting less in general
>all I do is eat eggs, eat beef liver, drink milk, eat tons stews, drink OJ, and eat bananas
HIT and food is and always has been the whey.
>away from gym for a year
>2pl8 on first day without visiting snap city
you had 3 'spotters' I bet
I bench 250
I do sets of 8 with 225 as a natty. I weigh 265 lbs though.
Okay, done. Weigh 185, bench 1RM 260. If you want a strong bench just prioritize it in your training and you can definitely hit 2pl8 as a natty.
Thinking about getting on gear anyway bc I want a better physique
I decline benched 225 for 3 yesterday after doing flat bench and decline 1 plate for a total of 120 reps plus a work up from 185 to 205. I'm pretty sure anybody can bench 225lbs of they train for like a year.
I have done 3 plate natty. At around 198lbs.
Now im 185lbs cutting after hitting 200lbs. Still able to do 2plate 5x5 pretty easy
Bench 315 natty. I'm also fat.
>The candle that burns the brightest burns out the quickest
Live fast die young
Yolo
Easy to say when you don't have kids. Do you really want to die before your kids can remember you?
>Do you really want to die before your kids can remember you?
I don't have kids.
you must be white
Not like it would matter anyway if he was black
Having kids is the ultimate sign you've made it.
kys gay
Beta af. Get some ambition ffs.
Being a genetic dead end is the definition of beta, you fucking gay.
come back when you do something a cockroach cant do
>I can deadlift 500lbs but don't know what pussy feels like: the post
nope
meanwhile insects get more pussy than you
come back when you do something a cockroach can do
aka have sex
gotem
if u actually believe spreading ur seed is the goal, why dont u become a sperm donor?
Sperm donations are dysgenic because the women who need to use them shouldn't be breeding. Also dykes
I know everyone is a tradfag on here nowadays but I genuinely hate kids and do not factor having them into any of my future plans.
No one here should be having children. The trad larper gays especially
You are a genetic dead end.
I am incel
testosterone is not dangerous at all, kek. That guy ran tons of shit for decades before it got to him.
Yeah in his 40s retard
You shouldn't need roids to hit 2 plates.
Not even 3 plates.
Many guys will be able to beginner gains themselves to 2 plates and a bit beyond.
I think roiding to hit 3 pl8 is reasonable if you don't want it to take very long and don't care about the stigma.
t. natty who benches 2.5 and took forever to get there
thats entirely subjective, read up on the pros and cons and write it down. in my case i would say no, i wouldnt fuck around with my hormones. i also know a few previous roiders and they all are fat as fuck and has a bunch of hormonal issues and skin issues aswell as gyno
Here's my plan:
>1. Max out all my lifts as a natty
>2. Get girlfriend/wife and have children
>3. Start using TRT later in life
The hardest is step 2.
If you were an awkward, unfuckable sperg before you started lifting, then lifting alone won't fix that fact.
just look at his puffy red watery face, plus he died at fucking 40 somethin, to look impressive you need to keep blasting, do you really want organ damage and reduce your lifespan by 20-30 years to impress homosexual gymrats? not to mention you will have side effects like acne, hairloss, roid rage, gyno, water retention and aging in the face, if you try to come off you will have depression for months and your natural test levels will never be the same. stay natty and healthy.
He went from semi chad to shrek to dust
What a waste
>Your natural test levels will never be the same
Myth
Stop lying. We are not all retards here. Crusading turboautist.
Post raisin balls.
Post nose you crabs-in-a-bucket betafag who spams shit threads in an attempt to hold others back
now stfu
Early death is a boon not a downside.
>HEYYUUUUGEEEEEYES!!!!!!!!!!
Thinking you need roids to bench 225 is pathetic and even thinking about taking roids if you can't yet bench 225 is also pathetic.
Zoomer run off instant gratification. No way they’re going to spend 3 - 4 years getting to 3pl8 bench. That is the normal now. Little shit gays lift for a year or less and throw a baby tantrum over some weights then go and ruin their entire hormonal system because they don’t understand consistency or discipline
I'm close to benching 3pl8s as a natty. I see juiceheads who can't bench 3pl8s, imagine spending money on and injecting chemicals made in some chinks bath tubs and still getting out lifted by me.
If you start roiding before you hit at least two plates natty you WILL look like shit (see pic related). All the people who look good with roids likely put at least 4 natty years into the gym. Then to start they go light on it.
But judging by this thread, you are using them as a shortcut. You can't even go through the most basic of research and you gotta have it spoonfed to you. You are gonna fuck yourself up for life because you are lazy.
Good to know. I am pretty much cured of my lifting injuries and was going to get ripped pretty quick and back up to 2 pl and hit the roids a bit this summer. Plan was to lift in my garage and cycle to a fishing lake to camp which will be outfitted with camping gear I dropped off with my car and go and break dead trees with my greatsword and get quiet, peaceful rest because my house is across the street from a gas station. Plus catch fresh fish and have a cooler full of burritos and a cooler full of protein shakes... guess it will have to wait a few years..damn. don't wanna look that mentally ill zoomer freak
This is so true. If you look like shit natural, you’re gonna look like shit on roids. If you roid before 1/2/3/4 you’re genuinely a gay. Ideally you get even higher before you start. And then you start with MILD doses.
>25cc a day
>just to look like a cookie cutter fraudster at any commercial gym
Tragic
>Frank Zane roided like a motherfucker for decades and probably did trt afterwards
>still alive and looks amazing for his age
HOW? How do I into Frank Zane mode? And why do roidtrannies insist on being bigger than him, reeves, Arnold etc?
Actually he looks like a skeleton now at age 29 because Bostin is dead, from fucking up his liver. I think his son wasn't even a year old? Fucking roidtrannies
..Is this a meme? I rep 2pl8 as a natty often and can rep 250. Yet, I overheard some juicehead saying the following at my gym:
>For guys on steroids, it will take about a year to break the 225 wall.
It must be skill. They must be doing something wrong, or they must have weak genetics, hence the roids.
Dunno I can do 265lbs and I'm natty and not even that muscular. I've done shit loads of pushups and dips while fat though lol but yeah 2 plaets wasn't even a speedbump.
The difference is that normies on steroids give literally zero fucks about the amount they lift. They don’t autistically program a routine and periodize/deload/peak or do any of that shit because they don’t care about numbers. They just want to look good.
Like they might end up with a 250 lb bench after a year and you’ll say “that’s not shit” while you obsess over t getting that number. Meanwhile, their main chest exercise is cable flies and they bench once a week when a lot of girls are in the gym. You’re not some type of god; they’d just don’t give a shit about powerlifting.
I bench 315 lb for 5 reps and regularly see naturals bench more than me, thing is they have physiques that they would literally be too embarrassed to show off at the beach and I bench once a week solely to get a pump
Wanna brag? Lift more than a “roid chud” AND look better than them. Then you can brag. Because if you don’t look better than them, that’s the trade off you’re making.
>normies
>not giving a shit about how much they bench
>roiding normies
>not giving a shit about how much they bench
lmao
the trade off is being stronger than you while simultaneously having, hair at age 30, and not organ damage by age 40
Tfw I bench more than any roidfag in my gym
Feels decent
No.
It damages your health, and people will instantly know you're a fraud.
So this random roid monkey can’t into HCG, viagra etc. and you think this is indicative of all roiders?
Every single roider I've encountered has been retarded.
So yes, I do think it is indicative.
There is some damage that not even little blue pills can fix.
Besides, roiding is used solely to chase body images that were invented by garden gnomes.
It saddens me to see so many people infected with this insidious parasite.
and people wonder why so many of these obvious roider types are into big dicked trannies or straight guys turned homosexuals.
>confess his penor is useless while his only chance resides at his ass
>replies about how sexy is being tall
If you can't look pretty fucking good natty, you won't look good on gear either. Genetics is everything in this life. Keep coping.
>Looking good while being natty
Only you can decide that. If value looking roided for an shorter lifespan, a list of possible symptoms for pussy, then go for it.
everyone can tell youre on roids and will instantly think you're an insecure gay. I respect natties a lot more because it's much harder to achieve rather than taking shortcuts
No. Roids shrink your dick and testes. Then you die of a heart attack.
Isn't that guy dead?
I do sets of 160 at 160 lbs
Started with just the bar still going up
You'll die in your forties and I'll be healthy into my 70s. But hey, if you don't value your time then shrink those balls, bucko.
Yes of course. It's medicinal science why shouldn't we use it? I was not going to step foot in the gym without some help. I have the worst possible genetics. 5'10 115lbs for my entire adult life. It was my doctors who decided testosterone is for me in order to not break every bone in my body. I went from 115 last year in March to 175 right now and still about 11-12% bf. Yes i used way more than prescribed but if i was gonna blow up I'm gonna fucking blow up the correct way.
>Roiding to bench 225
Do roidmorons really?
Roiders will never be real men.
>fame
>non-stop pucci
>at least a million dollars earnings
>maybe so
>anything else
>NO
Imagine being some young dude, a nobody, in a nobody area. Roiding and thinking you will be king shit and Instead you become another victim of the roid masses.
Ask yourself this, how many famous roiders do you know, see, or hear of?
Now how many people take roids.
You'll earn more, be more famous, and have more sex being a competitive eater than you ever will being some roid chud.
And if you are some tall attractive dude, your success will come from that, and never roids.
>short and ugly
>should i roid
No. You have the internet in front of you. Learn some shit. Dedicate to that. You're advance and progress better than being some manlet roid ugly nobody chud with a weak heart.
>is it worth it?
only if you live off your body period, anything else is retarded and self absorbed roid-chud cope
Both roided out bodybuilders and trans people existed before the internet.
>trans people
Get as far as you can natty, then go to roids. You can get a lot further than you think by just fixing your shit.
I recommend benching 225x8 and squat 315x8 as a natty MINIMUM
t. roider