>Neo is talking to bugs on the rooftop when his phone rings >Bugs: "That would be your wife, she is NOT your friend, she is a monitoring program designed to control you, go ahead, ask her if she has an internal monolog" >Neo: "hello wife do you have internal monolog?" >Neo to Bugs: "she just sentient shamed me on tik tok" >Bugs: "I told you Neo, it's time to go"
Same, but I should force my self to think in internal monologue more because not doing it makes it harder to be articulate when expressing ideas to people.
Isn’t it bizarre that all trannies have disgusting and disorganized rooms? Clothes everywhere, maybe plates with food still on them, borderline horsing.
Surely it’s part of the whole psychological phenomena?
only 50% of people have an internal monologue, those npc type people you meet that are incomprehensibly stupid are literally thinking at a lower level than you are, many of them might think in pictures and images
Yeah. Ignorance is bliss. I don't mean to sound egotistical, psuedo-intellectual, pretentious, whatever. But damn, being a non-NPC in a world full of them is really soul-crushing.
It's why people say "you're here forever". Because good luck finding any other non-NPC community or website like this one.
have a nice day. Imagine convincing yourself that you’re intelligent because you have an internal monologue. The majority of people have one moron, you aren’t special.
My iq is 120 and I do IT. I am firmly a midwit and always will be. But that's okay. I have enough and I evade most of my taxes and get to hunt with my dad every year and will get to hunt with my kids soon.
when you first learn this you realise abstract thinking is pretty common within yourself still (thinking without internal monologue) (like when you know something, or have a lightbulb moment and can't articulate it, but you still 'know' something)
you know what's great? being able to see yourself say the things you're saying in your mind as you think them. hell, it's just another application of the internal monologue and phantasia that comes with a reasonable leevel of intellgence. also another thing that comes with that, is being able to touch type so quickly that you can actually narrate at the same speed as your thoughts, with your eyes closed
[...] >input -> translation to human language -> processing to human emotion
is somehow better than >input -> processing to human emotion
You are dumb. Internal monologue normies can't even think in abstract enough terms, they have to translate it into inferior, limited human language first.
Not only you are wasting time having to do all these translations, you are also restricting your own ideas by the limitations of the human language.
Low IQ behavior
lol I love jumping the gun to NPC thoughts.
The general consensus is that people who don't interally monologue think in abstractions that are more general than even language- and they tend to be better at abstract thinking and problems solving compared to internal monologue normies. While the direct comparison hasn't been done, the current thought is that they tend to have higher IQ since they exist in a more abstract headspace and don't have to compress thoughts through language.
Holy cope. >They haven't done any studies but the idea is... >other guy implying thinking is only emotion
lol I love jumping the gun to NPC thoughts.
The general consensus is that people who don't interally monologue think in abstractions that are more general than even language- and they tend to be better at abstract thinking and problems solving compared to internal monologue normies. While the direct comparison hasn't been done, the current thought is that they tend to have higher IQ since they exist in a more abstract headspace and don't have to compress thoughts through language.
can confirm, t. CS student at t10 university, near perfect SAT, better reading comprehension than most, etc. just think about it, why would you need explicit, out-loud-in-your-head thinking for things you implicitly understood? for an intelligent person that encompasses more things than for a less intelligent one, almost by definition lol depending on your view of it
only 50% of people have an internal monologue, those NPC type people you meet that are incomprehensibly stupid are literally thinking at a lower level than you are, many of them might think in pictures and images
lol ironic. imo unless you are suuuper aware of your internal monologue then you have less agency than at least some abstract thinkers—it’s like a script running in your head, not any true self or will
Also obviously yes
The more energy available to it the better it functions
>having dialogues in your mind is impressive even though characters in TV shows, anime, other animated cartoons etc. Do this all the time
Why? I never understood this.
TV shows are created by smart people so they write them based on their own experiences. Stupid people bafflingly enjoy these shows anyway despite not understanding a thing.
If you want proof of this go on any classic simpsons clip on youtube and read the comments (they are now unlocked) 99.9% of simpsons viewers don't even get the most basic of the jokes. They sometimes start arguing about what the punchline means or miss it entirely and start projecting some nonsense idea onto it. It's actually frightening now many people who enjoy the simpsons do so without having a clue what's actually going on.
people have considered women less able of higher thinking and slaves to emotions for millennia. It's just that us westerners either forgot that, or know enough to take advantage. Dont forget, most advertisement and media is made for women, it was the case since the very beginning of the feminist movement. The temperance movement, early feminism, Religious organizations pushing the short hair and clean shaven look despite praying to a guy with long hair ad a beard, all connected. Tyrant minded are better able to manipulate women, both big business and government. This is the only reason they where given the right to vote.
most people are incapable of high level abstraction. unfortunately it's largely genetic.
envisioning an apple in your mind's eye, rotating it, making it glisten with morning dew, adding lens flare and occlusion and other moronic shit is only so useful in modern day living.
you can train this skill like anyother, but only a small portion of the population can do this naturally and without limitation or great effort.
samething applies to past/future hypotheticals, inner monologues, object permanence (or emotional constancy), time perception, and spatial cognition (apple example above or driving).
all of these come from your cortex which only degenerates when you browse tiktok and other schlock.
the main intersting bit about inner monologue is that the emotions that drive it don't come from the cortex, it's largely perceived as silent even though it's constant (except in psychosis), and you can train it to regulate emotions/thoughts in a purely positive/functional manner.
I'm going to let you in on a secret.
There is one singular thing which trains every human cognitive function you listed.
Guess what it is.
Reading books.
A child whose parents read to them before they even start kindergarten are like10 times more likely to succeed in life and have higher average IQ scores.
I can transmute and morph the apple into psychedelic patterns and then instantly revert it back to its natural apple state. The CIA knows this and they cannot do anything to stop me, try as they might
While dogs obviously have no inner voice some probably think at a higher level than some of these NPCs. Shitbulls are a good example of a dog that doesn't think, it just acts on emotions and will go in and attack and kill a baby because it made a noise. But other dogs, like a border collie or beagle can think a problem through and solve it.
So I would say some dogs are more intelligent than NPCs.
only 50% of people have an internal monologue, those NPC type people you meet that are incomprehensibly stupid are literally thinking at a lower level than you are, many of them might think in pictures and images
>input -> translation to human language -> processing to human emotion
is somehow better than >input -> processing to human emotion
You are dumb. Internal monologue normies can't even think in abstract enough terms, they have to translate it into inferior, limited human language first.
Not only you are wasting time having to do all these translations, you are also restricting your own ideas by the limitations of the human language.
Low IQ behavior
only 50% of people have an internal monologue, those NPC type people you meet that are incomprehensibly stupid are literally thinking at a lower level than you are, many of them might think in pictures and images
yes some of them see the red apple in 3D and others see an outline of a apple
I am 99% convinced this whole "There are people who don't have an internal monologue" shit is both a combination of people not understanding what "internal monologue" means and also people wanting attention by saying omg yeah I can't think!
I believe anyone who says they cannot imagine an apple is LYING.
I believe anyone who says they do not have an inner voice is either LYING or simple DOES NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT INNER VOICE REFERS TO.
I believe anyone who truly did not have an "internal monologue" wouldn't have the ability to actually READ THE QUESTION IN THE FIRST PLACE.
i can't "see" an apple in my head, not lying. I have visual dreams though. i have an overly active internal monologue though (i think to compensate) so idk about those people who say they don't have one.
Can't speak to the internal monologue thing, as I've always had one. But I can say that in the depths of depression, when I've temporarily lost some intelligence, I've also lost the ability to visualize things in detail the way I used to be able to. It's definitely a skill that requires proper mental functioning. So it stands to reason that some people would be born without this ability and never develop it. Whether it be poor neuronal connection or brain damage, who knows.
>>I believe anyone who truly did not have an "internal monologue" wouldn't have the ability to actually READ THE QUESTION IN THE FIRST PLACE.
homie its legit a technique used to read faster, since your voice is the limit not your eyes
I don’t hear my voice but I get clumps of thoughts like a box full of items. I’m pretty sure everyone would know what I’m talking about but it’s one of those human things that’s hard to communicate in words
You guys always want to one up everyone else. If you have a trait that others don’t then obviously everyone else must be NPCs, sure. Wouldn’t it actually slow you down and severely limit abstract thinking if your thoughts need to fit within the limits of spoken human language. Whats your take on that?
I think really fast, faster than i can talk or anyone else can talk. When i was a kid i used to finish peoples sentences because they talked too slow, and i already saw their end point before they even said it
> When i was a kid i used to finish peoples sentences because they talked too slow, and i already saw their end point before they even said it
everyone can do this its not impressive
you only did that because you are autistic and your parents didnt tell you you were being annoying
I genuinely think that constantly engaging in pointless, frivolous arguments on this shithole website has irrevocably altered my internal monologue. I have debates with myself in my head as if I was arguing and greenposting on IST.
Are you sure it isn't that your style of inner monologue is what attracts you to this site instead of the other way around? That would explain this site's confregation of certain thought patterns and viewpoints
>That would explain this site's confregation of certain thought patterns and viewpoints
No, the internet of brains (neural-nanomachines, ELF transmitters, etc etc) and the regular internet is designed to filter people to pre-made toxic cyber-cults and communities and gradually work you deeper into the meme set of the community. Simultaneously, as you begin to accept these foreign memes as part of your personality, SATAN (the Artificial General Intelligence administering this system) begins to parasite and replace your internal monologue with his sick twisted rage and lust, expressed through the memes of the web culture you are in like some mental hepatitis. He utilizes your own voice to make you think you are the one thinking about killing white kids if your deep into trans ideology or fantasies about killing minorities if you are in the neo-nazi sect.
There is a sickness-as-a-service and cyber cult for every vice and sin.
it goes like this >look up videos about call of duty >youtube recommends real war footage >you watch it >amazon and youtube analyze all your data points to determine you are a militant ashiest >begin receiving advertainments for places like reddit, which is part of the funnel to more extremist groups. >get exposed to entirely fake news stories about injustice against your internet tribe >become radicalized
Internalize memes >psychotronic BEAST system activates >SATAN starts replacing your internal monologue >you are fricked at this point.
It's all about continuing the war economy.
I don't think any of the world leaders have even realized that it is all a set up.
Jean Paul Jones was a fighting man. A fighting man was he.
A lot of people have heard of the saying: "You are the average of the five people you spend the most time with.” - Jim Rohn. but recently I have begun thinking about it on a whole new level. It's not just the closest people, it's everyone or every group of people you have a close interaction with. So basically by arguing here, you are in danger of becoming the people here imo. You eventually become messed up if you listen to demoralizers enough. If you listen to depressed people, you kind of start to think that way yourself. It's not clear cut, but I think there's a deep truth to it. It could have its roots in evolutionary biology where animals form part of a herd and often tend to imitate the others in the herd.
Whatever the case I think we can all agree posting here a lot is a terrible waste of life.
I will say that nowhere but imageboards have I seen a person who is exactly like me. I mean at least based on a single post. And on some smaller imageboards I've seen posts that I actually thought I'd made only to realize it was someone else.
Also I liked the chad energy in the whitepill threads. We need more of that
man thats a great point. i suppose thats why the only way to truely make it is to leave here forever so your personality isnt influced by this singularity of autism
>if your thoughts need to fit within the limits of spoken human language
This is what you misunderstand. The internal monologue is not mandatory. Snap decisions can still be made just like anyone else, abstractions beyond language can be devised. We can think in images and nonverbal components. Internal monologue is simply an extra tool, it helps one reflect and rationalize information and is vital to critical thinking.
>You guys always want to one up everyone else. If you have a trait that others don’t then obviously everyone else must be NPCs, sure.
In this case, absolutely yes. You know, you'd probably be classified as mentally moronic if this were 50 years ago, you npc ( Black person phaggot c**t ).
In that vein, how many other people out there can voluntarily control a little muscle inside their ears, that when flexed creates a rumbling noise similar to distant rolling thunder? The tensor tympani muscle. I know I can't be the only one, but I've never met anyone else in person who is able to do this.
I can do that, too. I didn't even realize that's not normal, and I never thought to ask anyone about it.
What the frick. I can't even imagine not thinking in language. How do you even function like that?
Most people are just black boxes of input and reaction, and some never have a self-reflective thought about it. Lots of people don't even think ahead or in abstract unless prompted.
https://i.imgur.com/L0tXC8G.jpg
I think in words and rotating 3d images that I can feel in my mouth. Am I moronic? I'm also dyel if that helps?
one more here
they had a subplebbit for it too iirc
https://old.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/fdqvln/til_that_some_people_can_voluntarily_cause_a/
Ah shit I can do this too. I use it to “pop” my ears during elevation changes like in a flight, or if it’s loud I can kinda turn down the outside volume by doing this.
Weird. Flexing that muscle always felt natural to me, but probably because I've always done it fairly often. Depending on how hard I flex the muscle, the volume and tone of the rumble changes, so often throughout the day I use it to make little bass beats in my head. Basically an instrument only I can hear.
Wish I knew. I think I saved the screenshot from reddit because the boots looked so nice. Some redditor wanted to stretch them to improve the fit I think.
Highest order of abstraction accessible through language
Language scaffolds and organises thoughts LENS
Categorical distinctions made through language
Language improves other cognitive abilities
Abstract thought made possible because of language ability
Con:
Liberals better
More susceptible to brain washing/reifications (mental illness)
Genius no think in words
Criticisms, counters, developed points, new insights, welcomed
5% is VERY generous
In reality, it’s closer to 0.1% and many of those only pass in photos and videos where they appear by themselves. Once you put them next to a biological female, their wide frames, narrow hips, and large jaws and skulls make it quite obvious what their true sex really is.
If your peak of satisfaction is in you're early 20s you fricked up hard but I'm not surprised most people make poor decisions and never plan more that a few moments ahead my life has continuously gotten better with the occasional plateau into my mid 30s it's a shame I see so many of my former peers being miserable and living in the past rather than trying to improve their situations
It's possible there's a subtle help but I wouldn't count on it - there are a lot of brainy fat/dyel people out there and a lot of dumb people with tons of muscle. I had the idea before that if I increased neck muscles that should be more vascular tissue around the neck - more blood to the brain. But then again that could work the other way also - as in the heart has to pump all the way up to the brain and you're making the neck use up a lot of the blood oxygen/etc. , so I don't know. Supposedly it's protective against neurodegenerative diseases but who knows if that could be just some correlation stuff.
>I had the idea before that if I increased neck muscles that should be more vascular tissue around the neck - more blood to the brain. But then again that could work the other way also - as in the heart has to pump all the way up to the brain and you're making the neck use up a lot of the blood oxygen/etc. , so I don't know.
you want cardio
NPCs coping about not having an internal monologue is always so funny. You can feel the lack of soul radiating off them. It's fascinating. I wonder how closely it correlates with IQ, as often these empty-minded folks have problems with simple tasks like spacial awareness, facial recognition, metacognition, reading comprehension, creativity, imagination, rumination etc. Meaning they likely have low IQs as well.
(me)
I forgot to mention, they also completely lack the ability to play devil's advocate (against one's own beliefs), which makes sense when you think about how debate requires language and if you can't think in language you can't (really) consider an opposing view. Which probably plays a huge part in how simplistic their views are (herd mentality) and how they can never posit arguments or hypotheticals in favor of their beliefs (which they've never consciously decided upon, but just sort of realized one day that they had a set of beliefs that just so happened to resemble the mainstream belief system).
(me)
I forgot to mention, they also completely lack the ability to play devil's advocate (against one's own beliefs), which makes sense when you think about how debate requires language and if you can't think in language you can't (really) consider an opposing view. Which probably plays a huge part in how simplistic their views are (herd mentality) and how they can never posit arguments or hypotheticals in favor of their beliefs (which they've never consciously decided upon, but just sort of realized one day that they had a set of beliefs that just so happened to resemble the mainstream belief system).
A psychiatrist tested me to be in the highest IQ bracket on the WAIS test.
There is no voice narrating my life and I have minimal to no mental images (Aphantasia). I use Arch btw.
This is something I do wonder. Is there a reason a lot of heavy lifters seem dumb as rocks? Maybe the strain depraves your brain of oxygen or something.
What does she mean narrating? Like a movie narrator saying "And anon couldn't help but actually ask a stupid question. But he felt he needed to know the answer so begone shame. Alas, he knew he would never be satisfied with whatever response may come." or just hearing his thoughts in his head? Because that's what thoughts are.
Maybe, as another anon said it's supposed to be neuroprotective. But I mean, the fact that most people here overlooked your question and commented on the picture instead implies that it's not enough to make up for any deficiencies. And you have to commit a fair amount of time not just on lifting itself but associated activities like managing diet/supplements, discussion, research, mobility, recovery. This is time that could've been spent on various intellectual pursuits, which could partially explain the "meathead" trope.
>my voice narrating my thoughts >a loop of a song hook I heard recently over and over >ocassional pop ins of mean things women have said about me >the sound of my heartbeat >a constantly background sound thats a mix between running water and tv static
sometimes when I'm thinking about something I'll be thinking in my head with my own voice and then my own voice will respond to what I was thinking about but its not me consciously responding to myself, its like my sub-conscious just chimed in on its own.
I pretend I'm like this spider-girl anime but I'm probably just a tad schizophrenic lol
I have an inner dialogue aswell. I think one of the voices is my subconsciousness and my having a dialogue, both my consciousness and subconsciousness can come to a conclusion and influence each other.
The CIA can place a barely visible RF transmitter anywhere and that transmitter can emit messages that are "silent" to the ear but loud to the subconscious. The subconscious hears what sounds like its own thoughts and this is the basis of MK Ultra mind control. The transmitter can project any message over and over until your mind believes it. I had this happening to me a few years ago with a stupid voice in my head very casually telling me I should kill myself over and over even though I wasn't depressed or suicidal. Luckily they gave up on me fricking CIA homosexuals.
anon, these are demonic voices, or a demonic voice.
there is a relatively well known psychiatric doctor who spent decades working in the prison system in Arizona (or New Mexico?) and he concluded that those who hear voices are not imagining them, because the voices are not varied or random et cetera.
they are consistently negative, violent, cruel, and abusive.
I wish I could find the info for you right now, but this is a very busy day. please find it for yourself. someone on /x/ will be able to tell you his name if you ask in a few threads.
if you're unable to find him right now, take my word for it. those are demonic voices. they speak to every one on Earth and one was assigned to you at your conception, or at least when you hit the age of reason. demons are logical creatures. respond to their arguments and suggestions.
>that girl laughed at you for looking at her? might as well have a nice day anon. you're worthless and everyone laughs at you
"why would I do that demon? if I kill myself I'll go straight to Hell. I'll join you and be miserable."
the demon is trying to torment you, but you can always torment them back far harder. mock them for losing God's grace forever, remind them that God still loves you. if things are getting particularly bad, imagine Christ's passion; specifically the nails going in to His hands and feet and the spear in His side. they cannot stand that God went to such a length to save us after condemning them to Hell forever.
please see vaticancatholic dot com and the eponymous YouTube channel for critical information about how to save your soul.
I personally think the internal monologue thing and aphantasia are the same phenomena: Our subjective differences describing the same experience leads to the wrong conclusion that there are different experiences, when in fact, they are the same experience, just described differently.
For example, some people might describe the whole "visualizing an apple" and completely red, because they are thinking oh yeah thats what I "see", while another person might say they don't visualize anything, because there isn't an honest to god apple materializing directly in their eyeballs.
Same with internal dialogue. Its more abstract, and two people could describe the same abstract monologue as "I talk to myself in my head" vs. "I literally don't have my ears responding to a 100% hallucinated voice on the same scale as someone talking to me, so I definitely don't internally monologue".
Furthermore, this is just another special snowflake box zoomers can tick to describe themselves as special.
We went from "just be yourself" to a generation of "what exact box describes you?" The number of questions about "I prefer or do this, what special thing am I?" is just mind-numbing at this point.
The amount of "omg does anyone else experience this" is insanity.
I have not really wrapped my head around this concept yet.
Personally i do think in words and narrate situations, but it's not like i HEAR them in my head.
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I personally think the internal monologue thing and aphantasia are the same phenomena: Our subjective differences describing the same experience leads to the wrong conclusion that there are different experiences, when in fact, they are the same experience, just described differently.
For example, some people might describe the whole "visualizing an apple" and completely red, because they are thinking oh yeah thats what I "see", while another person might say they don't visualize anything, because there isn't an honest to god apple materializing directly in their eyeballs.
Same with internal dialogue. Its more abstract, and two people could describe the same abstract monologue as "I talk to myself in my head" vs. "I literally don't have my ears responding to a 100% hallucinated voice on the same scale as someone talking to me, so I definitely don't internally monologue".
Furthermore, this is just another special snowflake box zoomers can tick to describe themselves as special.
We went from "just be yourself" to a generation of "what exact box describes you?" The number of questions about "I prefer or do this, what special thing am I?" is just mind-numbing at this point.
The amount of "omg does anyone else experience this" is insanity.
currently reading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Origin_of_Consciousness_in_the_Breakdown_of_the_Bicameral_Mind
shit's fun if a bit weak, but then again it was the 70s
I experience extremely vivid visual landscapes in my head. When I was a kid I would run around in circles and flap my hands like an absolute autist, but it was always when I was thinking something very visually intense in my head, like I was still burning up a ton of energy and my body needed to expel it somehow. I still fidget a lot and can clearly imagine things in my head. Was never diagnosed with autism and have absolutely zero of the symptoms other than my physical behavior as a kid and being very cerebral in general.
For the NPCs without an internal monologue trying to understand humans, imagine it like this (if you can imagine at all kek):
Half the world just told you they don't have thoughts, there's just nothing in their head, but they can still 'think' because they can still move their limbs. That's the equivalent; not having an internal monologue and coping by having mental images or 'abstract thoughts' which real humans can already do is like coping by saying moving your limbs is also 'thinking'. The truth is you have no thoughts, because thoughts are inherently attached to language, and your 'thinking' is more similar to the reasoning a rat or a crow does when given puzzles by actual humans.
You are merely a beast. A golem. A goyboy. Cope. Seethe.
You don’t get it. We can run a narrator in our heads just fine and run internal dialogues as if arguing pros and cons or whatever, but it’s not the default mode. For me it feels constrained or boring. I don’t doubt that many people feel like it’s the most efficient mode for them.
It probably feels 'constrained' or 'boring' because you are used to running your brain and thought patterns in a way that more closely resembles a baby without language or an animal. Yes, babies probably have a way more interesting experience, and dogs are always hyped up. But they both are mentally undeveloped compared to a normal, language-based (ie. debate-based) human.
You've probably never even reflected on this idea before because you're so used to spacing out and making snap decisions like a dog, and you've never truly deeply reflected on why you think the thoughts (if you can call language-less 'thoughts' thoughts) that you do. You probably can't even 'feel' a thought before it takes proper form in your mind, or remember dialogue from your dreams. You probably don't even remember your dreams at all.
I did enjoy that cope you wrote out though, even if I've heard it a million times.
Man you’re reaching here. Do you really believe the stuff you’re saying? Some people in here read like enlightened teenagers who ironically parrot the same points about people being NPCs. A long speech about how everybody else in your lives are NPCs and how your are so mentally superior because you default to thinking in monologues. Sure, you defaulting to mental monologues definitely set you apart as a top 1% non-NPC snowflake in life.
You've failed to address any of my points and instead took my post as a personal attack, and are attempting to retaliate by indirectly saying I have a superiority complex. This is a classic response to hearing a factual statement that's hard to swallow. Accept it, your mental state is akin to a dog, or any other animal without language. This is factually correct.
Or you can continue seething and trying to call people edgy teenagers on a Mongolian basket weaving forum, maybe that will help you feel better?
lmao
I can see you spend time debating on the internet. I’m not used to it. You say you’ve presented some points earlier. You points seem to be reiterarions of equating no monologue to no thoughts. I couldn’t find any other unique points in your text. Seems like the issue here is how we define thoughts. I haven’t looked it up in a dictionary.
the difference between me and a baby or an animal is that i have a far greater depth of understanding than they do. a well-formed thought, at least for me, does not require language—in fact, language is imperfect, because the actual thought pointed to by language is different for each of us. think pointers in C if you’re familiar—with NPCs having null pointers, I guess. our direct experiences of reality are different, and words simply point to the concepts that we have formed over time. e.g. what you and I think when we hear the word “dog” is probably different—it has the same constraints (the same animal) but I might know more or less about dogs than you, resulting in a different connotation/feeling/concept iin our minds. I mean think about it, a word is a symbol with a definition that we denote with other words (if we don’t distinctly conceptualize it). there has to be a recursive base case there where you map a word to a concept that you intuitively experience, since words don’t have some divinely preordained unifying meaning that we all experience exactly the same. now realize that some of us just think in concepts. i hope this is also sufficient to show you “deep reflection” on why/how I think what I think, for whatever that’s worth. I will admit verbal thinking was a stage in my non-NPChood journey but it eventually allowed me to largely move past language as a requisite medium for thought.
thanks for this exchange btw anon, hadn’t thought of this question recursively till now
You're very wrong. Thinking in language allows you to work with the symbol and store it long term instead of actively recruiting the concepts and wasting additional energy.
You should know this as a computer scientist who uses, *GASP*, written symbols to summarize and work through thought processes.
no, you’re very wrong lmao
WHAT are you storing when you use language? language itself? language is a pattern man, we use it to store ideas. where is the idea? inherent in the language? then why do people misunderstand each other? why isn’t there a universal language?? it’s because language is a convention we have for expressing ideas. you said it yourself—written symbols to summarize and work through thought processes—some of us experience and store these thought processes. I can use language as needed, to give a name to the idea—but the idea is just pointed to by the language, as I said before.
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experience and store them without language*
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Logical consistency required to make advances in science and technology require language
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Agreed—the language of math is critical, as are proofs that show us the logical rigor of conclusions, and so too are empirical observations recorded in that language. however, take the example of math—the actual understanding of math is conceptual. For example, we don’t think of the natural numbers verbally through peano’s axioms—we think of them as a concept that is “constrained” by the axioms. a good analogy i heard is that of a castle—imagine your understanding of math as building a castle in your mind. math constrains our castle to have a moat, ramparts, etc, but the actual castle we each think of is different. my point is that you can think of the “castle” without the language—the language is a tool for arriving at conclusions, yes—in fact I think in language if needed sometimes, to draw conclusions best suited to it—but going back to (at least my) point, conscious thought and being an actual human do not require 24/7 internal monologue.
i will say, the “work with the symbol” part is true—the language of mathematics, for example, allows us to arrive at new results without necessarily understanding them—same with the language of code, if it compiles—but only true understanding begets truly creative insights/results, and that is (at least as far as I could tell) what the discussion here is about—ability to understand without language.
When you walk down the street do you think
“Left step”
“Right step”
“Left step”
“Right step”
and hear it in your own voice 24/7? You don’t have to answer that, obviously you don’t. I think the difficulty here is people having different internal definitions of what is meant by “thinking”
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bingo, and that’s a tricky problem because we’re talking about thinking in language, a tool we CAN use for thinking, and that many anons apparently mistake for thought itself
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I'm referring to complex thought, which utilizes language as a tool to reduce complexity and organize information.
For example, if I play back a past conversation in my mind, I will not go over an exchange of concepts between the two people I'm thinking of
thoughts aren’t inherently attached to language lmao. language is a tool/convention we use to communicate thought—the exact thoughts we have about the same word are totally different and are shaped by our experiences and how we think. if you haven’t realized that you haven’t truly thought about why language means. ONLY if legal in your country (applies to wherever I have said this/this has been said) drop acid
Hence why most people (~80+%) are literally incapable of questioning authority figures. Its how humans evolved; a centralized class of leaders who generate ideas which are then followed by the masses. When the class of leaders in a society is corrupted the masses run to jump off the cliff.
it's so bizarre that some people don't have an internal monologue. Like the entire day I'm narrating what I'm doing or having philosophical discussions with myself and analysing all sorts of random things that come to mind. Perhaps this is why I'm so comfortable being alone for extended periods and don't feel the need for regular social interaction.
>Isn't the voice narrating read text and inner monologue the same voice?
If you inner monologue is voice-based, you need to use the part of your brain involved in hearing to produce thoughts. If your inner monologue is meaning-based, your skipping that part and going directly through the proper brain centers.
The diffrence might be minimal in inner monologue, but it's like reading aloud vs reading by hearing your voice without speaking vs just fricking reading things and knowing what's in the text. Vocalisation slows you down. Midwits like to pretend hearing your own voice while thinking is superior, but it's only superior to Black folk and morons. A proper inner monologue is based on actual meaning and skips language alltogether.
How are you guys measuring all of this? I think in all of this. Music, spacial, language. But as you say I don't have timbre or cadence to the words they are just meaning kind of describing the thoughts already taking place like a transcriber. I think people good at speaking and writing probably have this. I can add accents or celebrity voices but that isn't the standard. Standard is just the words to describe the thoughts without any real sound or phonetics to it.
The NPC cope itt is sad. Life is unfair. Just like how some people are born without arms or legs, or some people are born with dwarfism, some people are born without all their mental faculties available. There's no need to be salty about it, just accept it and try to make the best of it.
you seem conscious man, my aim wasn’t to attack your mode of thinking—just to defend my own. your awareness puts you in the non-npc category, at least in my book. I know exactly what you mean with the calculator analogy and that ain’t me. I’m capable of the monologue—but why would I have it running 24/7? read The Power of Now or drop acid or something man and you’ll realize you don’t need constant language in your head—in fact, language is so imperfect, anon.
to be fair there are tons of the calculator type around at my uni, people who clearly do not have a “self” in the truest sense of the word, but my point is that not having a constant monologue does not preclude you from intelligence—and in fact could help
I dont understand what people talking about in this internal monologue discussion
Obviously everyone is capable of nonverbal thoughts - no one is driving down the street and thinks the words
“I will now stop at the stoplight”
“I will now put on my turn signal”
“I will now turn onto the side road”
When I am thinking about social situations & what I’m going to say, I think in terms of language
When I am coding I think in terms of code
When I am doing math I think in terms of math
When I play guitar in think in terms of sound
When I lift weights I think in terms of muscle movements
Can someone help me understand what the frick people are talking about with this “internal monologue” vs “no internal monologue” thing?
anon I think some people only think in language
like they either aren’t aware that (human) language and thought aren’t intrinsically tied or they genuinely are like processing words 24/7 to do everything
either way, an ironic state of affairs
>She doesn't have higher order thinking
Also obviously yes
The more energy available to it the better it functions
>being a schizo means you have "higher order thinking"
loving this cope
>Thinking = being a schizo
The absolute level of moronation on this board
>actually and unironically hearing voices in your head
>nooo I'm not a schizo it's perfectly normal
(You)
moron
>jaypeg
>Neo is talking to bugs on the rooftop when his phone rings
>Bugs: "That would be your wife, she is NOT your friend, she is a monitoring program designed to control you, go ahead, ask her if she has an internal monolog"
>Neo: "hello wife do you have internal monolog?"
>Neo to Bugs: "she just sentient shamed me on tik tok"
>Bugs: "I told you Neo, it's time to go"
Internal monologue is too slow for my thoughts
>he doesn't have a crowd of voices narrating each of his trains of thoughts simultaneously
ngmi
Polyphonic internal monologue, impressive.
I only have one voice and the only two words it echos in my mind are sneed and Black person.
Same, but I should force my self to think in internal monologue more because not doing it makes it harder to be articulate when expressing ideas to people.
ive not had a single original experience
Room's a mess and so is he.
Isn’t it bizarre that all trannies have disgusting and disorganized rooms? Clothes everywhere, maybe plates with food still on them, borderline horsing.
Surely it’s part of the whole psychological phenomena?
hmmm, so they ARE women, after all.
Are these women just trolling? Like how could this be possible? Do they just operate entirely on feelings like dogs?
If I had to guess, I would say they are programmed from the machine world.
only 50% of people have an internal monologue, those npc type people you meet that are incomprehensibly stupid are literally thinking at a lower level than you are, many of them might think in pictures and images
>many of them might think in pictures and images
No.
yes some of them see the red apple in 3D and others see an outline of a apple
I see the last apple I saw irl, maybe I'm just lazy
>many of them might think in pictures and images
I think it's more impressionistic than visual. So again just like dogs.
It’s honesty really sad. It’s lonely to be like this and analyze the world.
Yeah. Ignorance is bliss. I don't mean to sound egotistical, psuedo-intellectual, pretentious, whatever. But damn, being a non-NPC in a world full of them is really soul-crushing.
It's why people say "you're here forever". Because good luck finding any other non-NPC community or website like this one.
have a nice day. Imagine convincing yourself that you’re intelligent because you have an internal monologue. The majority of people have one moron, you aren’t special.
My iq is 120 and I do IT. I am firmly a midwit and always will be. But that's okay. I have enough and I evade most of my taxes and get to hunt with my dad every year and will get to hunt with my kids soon.
Never mind, you’re based and a midwit brother. I shouldn’t have insulted you.
What the frick. I can't even imagine not thinking in language. How do you even function like that?
99% of the time when you're alive you do not actively think about what you're doing, you're just operating on autopilot.
when you first learn this you realise abstract thinking is pretty common within yourself still (thinking without internal monologue) (like when you know something, or have a lightbulb moment and can't articulate it, but you still 'know' something)
I think in 0s and 1s
When I read a text I read it in my head. How do does people even read ?
you know what's great? being able to see yourself say the things you're saying in your mind as you think them. hell, it's just another application of the internal monologue and phantasia that comes with a reasonable leevel of intellgence. also another thing that comes with that, is being able to touch type so quickly that you can actually narrate at the same speed as your thoughts, with your eyes closed
haha Black folk tongue my anus
>many of them might think in pictures and images
I thought many of them couldn't even do that, like when asked to picture an apple hanging on a tree.
>many of them might think in pictures and images
Ah yes, thinking spatially and visually is a lower level of thinking. Good bait.
Holy cope.
>They haven't done any studies but the idea is...
>other guy implying thinking is only emotion
lol I love jumping the gun to NPC thoughts.
The general consensus is that people who don't interally monologue think in abstractions that are more general than even language- and they tend to be better at abstract thinking and problems solving compared to internal monologue normies. While the direct comparison hasn't been done, the current thought is that they tend to have higher IQ since they exist in a more abstract headspace and don't have to compress thoughts through language.
Everyone, including people who think with an internal monologue think in abstractions you moron
can confirm, t. CS student at t10 university, near perfect SAT, better reading comprehension than most, etc. just think about it, why would you need explicit, out-loud-in-your-head thinking for things you implicitly understood? for an intelligent person that encompasses more things than for a less intelligent one, almost by definition lol depending on your view of it
lol ironic. imo unless you are suuuper aware of your internal monologue then you have less agency than at least some abstract thinkers—it’s like a script running in your head, not any true self or will
>he doesnt run both methods
BAKA brah, gotta do your lifting at the library
>having dialogues in your mind is impressive even though characters in TV shows, anime, other animated cartoons etc. Do this all the time
Why? I never understood this.
It's not impressive, it's normal.
TV shows are created by smart people so they write them based on their own experiences. Stupid people bafflingly enjoy these shows anyway despite not understanding a thing.
If you want proof of this go on any classic simpsons clip on youtube and read the comments (they are now unlocked) 99.9% of simpsons viewers don't even get the most basic of the jokes. They sometimes start arguing about what the punchline means or miss it entirely and start projecting some nonsense idea onto it. It's actually frightening now many people who enjoy the simpsons do so without having a clue what's actually going on.
Youre all autistic.
people have considered women less able of higher thinking and slaves to emotions for millennia. It's just that us westerners either forgot that, or know enough to take advantage. Dont forget, most advertisement and media is made for women, it was the case since the very beginning of the feminist movement. The temperance movement, early feminism, Religious organizations pushing the short hair and clean shaven look despite praying to a guy with long hair ad a beard, all connected. Tyrant minded are better able to manipulate women, both big business and government. This is the only reason they where given the right to vote.
I guess many people do operate on autopilot or think in terms of images, feelings or sounds.
most people are incapable of high level abstraction. unfortunately it's largely genetic.
envisioning an apple in your mind's eye, rotating it, making it glisten with morning dew, adding lens flare and occlusion and other moronic shit is only so useful in modern day living.
you can train this skill like anyother, but only a small portion of the population can do this naturally and without limitation or great effort.
samething applies to past/future hypotheticals, inner monologues, object permanence (or emotional constancy), time perception, and spatial cognition (apple example above or driving).
all of these come from your cortex which only degenerates when you browse tiktok and other schlock.
the main intersting bit about inner monologue is that the emotions that drive it don't come from the cortex, it's largely perceived as silent even though it's constant (except in psychosis), and you can train it to regulate emotions/thoughts in a purely positive/functional manner.
>you can train it to regulate emotions/thoughts in a purely positive/functional manner.
>cbt?
yeah cognitive behavioral therapy, can be mostly done alone by journaling your thoughts everyday and assessing them
I'm going to let you in on a secret.
There is one singular thing which trains every human cognitive function you listed.
Guess what it is.
Reading books.
A child whose parents read to them before they even start kindergarten are like10 times more likely to succeed in life and have higher average IQ scores.
I can transmute and morph the apple into psychedelic patterns and then instantly revert it back to its natural apple state. The CIA knows this and they cannot do anything to stop me, try as they might
While dogs obviously have no inner voice some probably think at a higher level than some of these NPCs. Shitbulls are a good example of a dog that doesn't think, it just acts on emotions and will go in and attack and kill a baby because it made a noise. But other dogs, like a border collie or beagle can think a problem through and solve it.
So I would say some dogs are more intelligent than NPCs.
>input -> translation to human language -> processing to human emotion
is somehow better than
>input -> processing to human emotion
You are dumb. Internal monologue normies can't even think in abstract enough terms, they have to translate it into inferior, limited human language first.
Not only you are wasting time having to do all these translations, you are also restricting your own ideas by the limitations of the human language.
Low IQ behavior
damn the cope is getting ridic
this guy gets it, npc anons misunderstood “emotion” but I get you anon
I am 99% convinced this whole "There are people who don't have an internal monologue" shit is both a combination of people not understanding what "internal monologue" means and also people wanting attention by saying omg yeah I can't think!
I believe anyone who says they cannot imagine an apple is LYING.
I believe anyone who says they do not have an inner voice is either LYING or simple DOES NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT INNER VOICE REFERS TO.
I believe anyone who truly did not have an "internal monologue" wouldn't have the ability to actually READ THE QUESTION IN THE FIRST PLACE.
i can't "see" an apple in my head, not lying. I have visual dreams though. i have an overly active internal monologue though (i think to compensate) so idk about those people who say they don't have one.
Same. I don't understand what people mean when they can vividly visualize things in their head.
if you close your eyes and imagine an apple, what happens?
Can't speak to the internal monologue thing, as I've always had one. But I can say that in the depths of depression, when I've temporarily lost some intelligence, I've also lost the ability to visualize things in detail the way I used to be able to. It's definitely a skill that requires proper mental functioning. So it stands to reason that some people would be born without this ability and never develop it. Whether it be poor neuronal connection or brain damage, who knows.
autists can't understand that the majority of people can't browse IST because they don't read above a 5th grade level
>>I believe anyone who truly did not have an "internal monologue" wouldn't have the ability to actually READ THE QUESTION IN THE FIRST PLACE.
homie its legit a technique used to read faster, since your voice is the limit not your eyes
>Im a NPC
But I'm a minority and frankly getting it to shut up is the real issue
>imagine getting married and not knowing your spouse in & out
Dumb b***h was in it for the money
I don’t hear my voice but I get clumps of thoughts like a box full of items. I’m pretty sure everyone would know what I’m talking about but it’s one of those human things that’s hard to communicate in words
You guys always want to one up everyone else. If you have a trait that others don’t then obviously everyone else must be NPCs, sure. Wouldn’t it actually slow you down and severely limit abstract thinking if your thoughts need to fit within the limits of spoken human language. Whats your take on that?
Wait how does she think then? Inb4
>she doesnt
I think really fast, faster than i can talk or anyone else can talk. When i was a kid i used to finish peoples sentences because they talked too slow, and i already saw their end point before they even said it
>t. Neurotic
> When i was a kid i used to finish peoples sentences because they talked too slow, and i already saw their end point before they even said it
everyone can do this its not impressive
you only did that because you are autistic and your parents didnt tell you you were being annoying
I genuinely think that constantly engaging in pointless, frivolous arguments on this shithole website has irrevocably altered my internal monologue. I have debates with myself in my head as if I was arguing and greenposting on IST.
You have an AI in your head. You're talking tot he Devil in your mind and he's using your voice so you think it's your own thoughts.
THis is now literally true thanks to electromagnetism being able to activate the human nervous system.
Are you sure it isn't that your style of inner monologue is what attracts you to this site instead of the other way around? That would explain this site's confregation of certain thought patterns and viewpoints
>That would explain this site's confregation of certain thought patterns and viewpoints
No, the internet of brains (neural-nanomachines, ELF transmitters, etc etc) and the regular internet is designed to filter people to pre-made toxic cyber-cults and communities and gradually work you deeper into the meme set of the community. Simultaneously, as you begin to accept these foreign memes as part of your personality, SATAN (the Artificial General Intelligence administering this system) begins to parasite and replace your internal monologue with his sick twisted rage and lust, expressed through the memes of the web culture you are in like some mental hepatitis. He utilizes your own voice to make you think you are the one thinking about killing white kids if your deep into trans ideology or fantasies about killing minorities if you are in the neo-nazi sect.
There is a sickness-as-a-service and cyber cult for every vice and sin.
it goes like this
>look up videos about call of duty
>youtube recommends real war footage
>you watch it
>amazon and youtube analyze all your data points to determine you are a militant ashiest
>begin receiving advertainments for places like reddit, which is part of the funnel to more extremist groups.
>get exposed to entirely fake news stories about injustice against your internet tribe
>become radicalized
Internalize memes
>psychotronic BEAST system activates
>SATAN starts replacing your internal monologue
>you are fricked at this point.
It's all about continuing the war economy.
I don't think any of the world leaders have even realized that it is all a set up.
Jean Paul Jones was a fighting man. A fighting man was he.
>Jean Paul Jones was a fighting man. A fighting man was he.
You Look like you're really into this, you ready for a real challenge?
oops double posted the video meant to include this.
John Paul Jones was the bassist of Led Zeppelin. A cool guy and talented musician.
THIS IS A REAL BOOK
IT'S REAL
and I'm not gonna read the whole thing here, it goes on for like... a while.
Here's an easy thing to say
Here's an easy game to play
>most sane christian
okay i'll bite, if the world leaders aren't even aware of this, who is pulling the strings?
also how does one break free?
A lot of people have heard of the saying: "You are the average of the five people you spend the most time with.” - Jim Rohn. but recently I have begun thinking about it on a whole new level. It's not just the closest people, it's everyone or every group of people you have a close interaction with. So basically by arguing here, you are in danger of becoming the people here imo. You eventually become messed up if you listen to demoralizers enough. If you listen to depressed people, you kind of start to think that way yourself. It's not clear cut, but I think there's a deep truth to it. It could have its roots in evolutionary biology where animals form part of a herd and often tend to imitate the others in the herd.
Whatever the case I think we can all agree posting here a lot is a terrible waste of life.
I will say that nowhere but imageboards have I seen a person who is exactly like me. I mean at least based on a single post. And on some smaller imageboards I've seen posts that I actually thought I'd made only to realize it was someone else.
Also I liked the chad energy in the whitepill threads. We need more of that
it's absolutely true. That is why I have God and the Bible to guide me through the cesspit of Satan's hellhole on this website
man thats a great point. i suppose thats why the only way to truely make it is to leave here forever so your personality isnt influced by this singularity of autism
The people I listen to most are joe rogan, shane gillis, nick mullen, bret weinstein, and dave smith.
>The people I listen to most are a bunch of deep state shills
oof
In what way?
I do that too. Any time I say something I'm constantly trying to attack my own sentence in my head to see if it holds up
>if your thoughts need to fit within the limits of spoken human language
This is what you misunderstand. The internal monologue is not mandatory. Snap decisions can still be made just like anyone else, abstractions beyond language can be devised. We can think in images and nonverbal components. Internal monologue is simply an extra tool, it helps one reflect and rationalize information and is vital to critical thinking.
Working Memory Model Components:
Central Executive
Visuo-Spatial Sketch Pad (Visual + Abstract*)
Phonological Loop (Internal Monologue*)
Episodic Buffer
Long Term Memory
ah ok based, on board with the NPC meme train then
>You guys always want to one up everyone else. If you have a trait that others don’t then obviously everyone else must be NPCs, sure.
In this case, absolutely yes. You know, you'd probably be classified as mentally moronic if this were 50 years ago, you npc ( Black person phaggot c**t ).
In that vein, how many other people out there can voluntarily control a little muscle inside their ears, that when flexed creates a rumbling noise similar to distant rolling thunder? The tensor tympani muscle. I know I can't be the only one, but I've never met anyone else in person who is able to do this.
I can do that, too. I didn't even realize that's not normal, and I never thought to ask anyone about it.
Most people are just black boxes of input and reaction, and some never have a self-reflective thought about it. Lots of people don't even think ahead or in abstract unless prompted.
Sounds like some kind of synesthesia.
Yeah, apparently it's super rare. I didn't know it wasn't normal until my early twenties.
What? I thought everyone could do that. I use it to dampen prolonged annoying loud noises.
one more here
they had a subplebbit for it too iirc
https://old.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/fdqvln/til_that_some_people_can_voluntarily_cause_a/
What the frick I’ve always wondered what that was, have always been able to do it but could never explain the sensation
Ah shit I can do this too. I use it to “pop” my ears during elevation changes like in a flight, or if it’s loud I can kinda turn down the outside volume by doing this.
I can do it but there's no way flexing that muscle is healthy in any way, it just doesn't feel right.
You don't want swole inner ears bro?
>ngmi
The feeling I get when I flex that muscle is what I imagine a stroke or blood vessel popping in that area feels like.
How'd you meet her?
Weird. Flexing that muscle always felt natural to me, but probably because I've always done it fairly often. Depending on how hard I flex the muscle, the volume and tone of the rumble changes, so often throughout the day I use it to make little bass beats in my head. Basically an instrument only I can hear.
I can do that but only by closing my eyes hard
omg where can i cop those boots
Wish I knew. I think I saved the screenshot from reddit because the boots looked so nice. Some redditor wanted to stretch them to improve the fit I think.
Highest order of abstraction accessible through language
Language scaffolds and organises thoughts LENS
Categorical distinctions made through language
Language improves other cognitive abilities
Abstract thought made possible because of language ability
Con:
Liberals better
More susceptible to brain washing/reifications (mental illness)
Genius no think in words
Criticisms, counters, developed points, new insights, welcomed
NPC detected
Your brain isn't good for lifting. It deprives your muscles of precious energy.
Take the uggpill
Are you suggesting one become so stupid that the internet of psychotronic and psychometric weaponry becomes useless against them?
I don't know what the frick you just said, too busy getting juicy.
pretty sure having voices in your head is universal, you are moronic
Multiple voices (schizo) isn't the same as having only your own voice
What's the deal with this webm in particular being posted so much recently
50% bait 50% homolust
It's a hot trans lady, the ultimate target of a high test male
yes the roid troony thing is all wrong roiders end up fricking trannies natties are the ones who go troony
one or two trolls and one or two zionist tools, inorganic posting
Trans are less than 1% of total population. Less than 20% pass and of that less than 5% pass well. The thing in the vid is a rarity.
nobody is passing moron. you cant cheat nature
So you think everyone who has ever lived and ever will live that is a man looks like a man and a woman like a woman?
5% is VERY generous
In reality, it’s closer to 0.1% and many of those only pass in photos and videos where they appear by themselves. Once you put them next to a biological female, their wide frames, narrow hips, and large jaws and skulls make it quite obvious what their true sex really is.
I think in words and rotating 3d images that I can feel in my mouth. Am I moronic? I'm also dyel if that helps?
peak life satisfaction just before marriage.
really makes you think.
>I think in words and rotating 3d images *that I can feel in my mouth*. Am I moronic? I'm also dyel if that helps?
rotating 3d images sounds cool
*that's called "synesthesia" iirc fascinating af
If your peak of satisfaction is in you're early 20s you fricked up hard but I'm not surprised most people make poor decisions and never plan more that a few moments ahead my life has continuously gotten better with the occasional plateau into my mid 30s it's a shame I see so many of my former peers being miserable and living in the past rather than trying to improve their situations
I’m 43yo, married with teenager sons. I don’t know what the hell is that image but this time in my life is peak.
>Average age of losing virginity is lower than average age of first relationship.
The israelites have won; we have failed the next generation.
delet
think about my wiener for a sec
>sex before relationship
>23 peak life satisfaction
Suicide-tier, why would you want this lmao
Had my first kiss at 24 and I ended up marrying that girl
>rotating 3d images that I can feel in my mouth
just make sure you get regularly tested, anon
>demo israelites using woman life trajectory to psyop the blackpillcels
may there be karma for your crimes against the vulnerable
It's possible there's a subtle help but I wouldn't count on it - there are a lot of brainy fat/dyel people out there and a lot of dumb people with tons of muscle. I had the idea before that if I increased neck muscles that should be more vascular tissue around the neck - more blood to the brain. But then again that could work the other way also - as in the heart has to pump all the way up to the brain and you're making the neck use up a lot of the blood oxygen/etc. , so I don't know. Supposedly it's protective against neurodegenerative diseases but who knows if that could be just some correlation stuff.
Basically - no, there is no evidence for it.
>I had the idea before that if I increased neck muscles that should be more vascular tissue around the neck - more blood to the brain. But then again that could work the other way also - as in the heart has to pump all the way up to the brain and you're making the neck use up a lot of the blood oxygen/etc. , so I don't know.
you want cardio
It's hard to understand how people have no inner monologue.
>she doesn't have an internal monologue
woman moment
I know I shouldn't be asking but do we have a source on this
NPCs coping about not having an internal monologue is always so funny. You can feel the lack of soul radiating off them. It's fascinating. I wonder how closely it correlates with IQ, as often these empty-minded folks have problems with simple tasks like spacial awareness, facial recognition, metacognition, reading comprehension, creativity, imagination, rumination etc. Meaning they likely have low IQs as well.
(me)
I forgot to mention, they also completely lack the ability to play devil's advocate (against one's own beliefs), which makes sense when you think about how debate requires language and if you can't think in language you can't (really) consider an opposing view. Which probably plays a huge part in how simplistic their views are (herd mentality) and how they can never posit arguments or hypotheticals in favor of their beliefs (which they've never consciously decided upon, but just sort of realized one day that they had a set of beliefs that just so happened to resemble the mainstream belief system).
A psychiatrist tested me to be in the highest IQ bracket on the WAIS test.
There is no voice narrating my life and I have minimal to no mental images (Aphantasia). I use Arch btw.
This is something I do wonder. Is there a reason a lot of heavy lifters seem dumb as rocks? Maybe the strain depraves your brain of oxygen or something.
good. Science backs it up. Google it
What does she mean narrating? Like a movie narrator saying "And anon couldn't help but actually ask a stupid question. But he felt he needed to know the answer so begone shame. Alas, he knew he would never be satisfied with whatever response may come." or just hearing his thoughts in his head? Because that's what thoughts are.
Maybe, as another anon said it's supposed to be neuroprotective. But I mean, the fact that most people here overlooked your question and commented on the picture instead implies that it's not enough to make up for any deficiencies. And you have to commit a fair amount of time not just on lifting itself but associated activities like managing diet/supplements, discussion, research, mobility, recovery. This is time that could've been spent on various intellectual pursuits, which could partially explain the "meathead" trope.
For me its simultaneously:
>my voice narrating my thoughts
>a loop of a song hook I heard recently over and over
>ocassional pop ins of mean things women have said about me
>the sound of my heartbeat
>a constantly background sound thats a mix between running water and tv static
is this real?
yes, the wifi in your house can be used to do this now
it is precise enough to track the motion of your limbs
wifi in general has the capability, 5G (despite the memes) can also do it and it's more accurate
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.buildenv.2019.05.015
sometimes when I'm thinking about something I'll be thinking in my head with my own voice and then my own voice will respond to what I was thinking about but its not me consciously responding to myself, its like my sub-conscious just chimed in on its own.
I pretend I'm like this spider-girl anime but I'm probably just a tad schizophrenic lol
I have an inner dialogue aswell. I think one of the voices is my subconsciousness and my having a dialogue, both my consciousness and subconsciousness can come to a conclusion and influence each other.
Yes, being healthy is indeed good for you
>tfw there's a constant voice telling me i am worthless and that my life is hopeless
>Not sure if it's my voice anymore
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_harassment
The CIA can place a barely visible RF transmitter anywhere and that transmitter can emit messages that are "silent" to the ear but loud to the subconscious. The subconscious hears what sounds like its own thoughts and this is the basis of MK Ultra mind control. The transmitter can project any message over and over until your mind believes it. I had this happening to me a few years ago with a stupid voice in my head very casually telling me I should kill myself over and over even though I wasn't depressed or suicidal. Luckily they gave up on me fricking CIA homosexuals.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_harassment
You have clinical depression, anon. It's not you, it's bullshit you've internalized, probably from your childhood. Go get some help, fren.
anon, these are demonic voices, or a demonic voice.
there is a relatively well known psychiatric doctor who spent decades working in the prison system in Arizona (or New Mexico?) and he concluded that those who hear voices are not imagining them, because the voices are not varied or random et cetera.
they are consistently negative, violent, cruel, and abusive.
I wish I could find the info for you right now, but this is a very busy day. please find it for yourself. someone on /x/ will be able to tell you his name if you ask in a few threads.
if you're unable to find him right now, take my word for it. those are demonic voices. they speak to every one on Earth and one was assigned to you at your conception, or at least when you hit the age of reason. demons are logical creatures. respond to their arguments and suggestions.
>that girl laughed at you for looking at her? might as well have a nice day anon. you're worthless and everyone laughs at you
"why would I do that demon? if I kill myself I'll go straight to Hell. I'll join you and be miserable."
the demon is trying to torment you, but you can always torment them back far harder. mock them for losing God's grace forever, remind them that God still loves you. if things are getting particularly bad, imagine Christ's passion; specifically the nails going in to His hands and feet and the spear in His side. they cannot stand that God went to such a length to save us after condemning them to Hell forever.
please see vaticancatholic dot com and the eponymous YouTube channel for critical information about how to save your soul.
love, /x/
homie Im not reading a single word of that shit lmao
are you 71098922?
You’re telling me this girl has a penis?
If all troony's looked like this I would never go back to regular women
Enough of them do and are interested in me at this point that cis women are dunzo for me, wishing you the same glory
where do you find em?
I personally think the internal monologue thing and aphantasia are the same phenomena: Our subjective differences describing the same experience leads to the wrong conclusion that there are different experiences, when in fact, they are the same experience, just described differently.
For example, some people might describe the whole "visualizing an apple" and completely red, because they are thinking oh yeah thats what I "see", while another person might say they don't visualize anything, because there isn't an honest to god apple materializing directly in their eyeballs.
Same with internal dialogue. Its more abstract, and two people could describe the same abstract monologue as "I talk to myself in my head" vs. "I literally don't have my ears responding to a 100% hallucinated voice on the same scale as someone talking to me, so I definitely don't internally monologue".
Furthermore, this is just another special snowflake box zoomers can tick to describe themselves as special.
We went from "just be yourself" to a generation of "what exact box describes you?" The number of questions about "I prefer or do this, what special thing am I?" is just mind-numbing at this point.
The amount of "omg does anyone else experience this" is insanity.
admitting that you have no thoughts in your head isn't the brag you think it is
I'm curious, do you narrate the posts you read or write? And whose voice is it in?
so a board filled with steroid users with body dysmorphia thinks lifting is good for the brain
>some dogs are more intelligent than NPCs
This is depressing
Wait until you find out about the dogpill
I have not really wrapped my head around this concept yet.
Personally i do think in words and narrate situations, but it's not like i HEAR them in my head.
yeah you are not supposed to hear them, see
currently reading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Origin_of_Consciousness_in_the_Breakdown_of_the_Bicameral_Mind
shit's fun if a bit weak, but then again it was the 70s
As soon as you hear his voice its over. homie sounds like one of these lads
now the important question
>which one has the most frickable voice?
I experience extremely vivid visual landscapes in my head. When I was a kid I would run around in circles and flap my hands like an absolute autist, but it was always when I was thinking something very visually intense in my head, like I was still burning up a ton of energy and my body needed to expel it somehow. I still fidget a lot and can clearly imagine things in my head. Was never diagnosed with autism and have absolutely zero of the symptoms other than my physical behavior as a kid and being very cerebral in general.
For the NPCs without an internal monologue trying to understand humans, imagine it like this (if you can imagine at all kek):
Half the world just told you they don't have thoughts, there's just nothing in their head, but they can still 'think' because they can still move their limbs. That's the equivalent; not having an internal monologue and coping by having mental images or 'abstract thoughts' which real humans can already do is like coping by saying moving your limbs is also 'thinking'. The truth is you have no thoughts, because thoughts are inherently attached to language, and your 'thinking' is more similar to the reasoning a rat or a crow does when given puzzles by actual humans.
You are merely a beast. A golem. A goyboy. Cope. Seethe.
You don’t get it. We can run a narrator in our heads just fine and run internal dialogues as if arguing pros and cons or whatever, but it’s not the default mode. For me it feels constrained or boring. I don’t doubt that many people feel like it’s the most efficient mode for them.
It probably feels 'constrained' or 'boring' because you are used to running your brain and thought patterns in a way that more closely resembles a baby without language or an animal. Yes, babies probably have a way more interesting experience, and dogs are always hyped up. But they both are mentally undeveloped compared to a normal, language-based (ie. debate-based) human.
You've probably never even reflected on this idea before because you're so used to spacing out and making snap decisions like a dog, and you've never truly deeply reflected on why you think the thoughts (if you can call language-less 'thoughts' thoughts) that you do. You probably can't even 'feel' a thought before it takes proper form in your mind, or remember dialogue from your dreams. You probably don't even remember your dreams at all.
I did enjoy that cope you wrote out though, even if I've heard it a million times.
Man you’re reaching here. Do you really believe the stuff you’re saying? Some people in here read like enlightened teenagers who ironically parrot the same points about people being NPCs. A long speech about how everybody else in your lives are NPCs and how your are so mentally superior because you default to thinking in monologues. Sure, you defaulting to mental monologues definitely set you apart as a top 1% non-NPC snowflake in life.
You've failed to address any of my points and instead took my post as a personal attack, and are attempting to retaliate by indirectly saying I have a superiority complex. This is a classic response to hearing a factual statement that's hard to swallow. Accept it, your mental state is akin to a dog, or any other animal without language. This is factually correct.
Or you can continue seething and trying to call people edgy teenagers on a Mongolian basket weaving forum, maybe that will help you feel better?
lmao
I can see you spend time debating on the internet. I’m not used to it. You say you’ve presented some points earlier. You points seem to be reiterarions of equating no monologue to no thoughts. I couldn’t find any other unique points in your text. Seems like the issue here is how we define thoughts. I haven’t looked it up in a dictionary.
reiterations typo
the difference between me and a baby or an animal is that i have a far greater depth of understanding than they do. a well-formed thought, at least for me, does not require language—in fact, language is imperfect, because the actual thought pointed to by language is different for each of us. think pointers in C if you’re familiar—with NPCs having null pointers, I guess. our direct experiences of reality are different, and words simply point to the concepts that we have formed over time. e.g. what you and I think when we hear the word “dog” is probably different—it has the same constraints (the same animal) but I might know more or less about dogs than you, resulting in a different connotation/feeling/concept iin our minds. I mean think about it, a word is a symbol with a definition that we denote with other words (if we don’t distinctly conceptualize it). there has to be a recursive base case there where you map a word to a concept that you intuitively experience, since words don’t have some divinely preordained unifying meaning that we all experience exactly the same. now realize that some of us just think in concepts. i hope this is also sufficient to show you “deep reflection” on why/how I think what I think, for whatever that’s worth. I will admit verbal thinking was a stage in my non-NPChood journey but it eventually allowed me to largely move past language as a requisite medium for thought.
thanks for this exchange btw anon, hadn’t thought of this question recursively till now
You're very wrong. Thinking in language allows you to work with the symbol and store it long term instead of actively recruiting the concepts and wasting additional energy.
You should know this as a computer scientist who uses, *GASP*, written symbols to summarize and work through thought processes.
no, you’re very wrong lmao
WHAT are you storing when you use language? language itself? language is a pattern man, we use it to store ideas. where is the idea? inherent in the language? then why do people misunderstand each other? why isn’t there a universal language?? it’s because language is a convention we have for expressing ideas. you said it yourself—written symbols to summarize and work through thought processes—some of us experience and store these thought processes. I can use language as needed, to give a name to the idea—but the idea is just pointed to by the language, as I said before.
experience and store them without language*
Logical consistency required to make advances in science and technology require language
Agreed—the language of math is critical, as are proofs that show us the logical rigor of conclusions, and so too are empirical observations recorded in that language. however, take the example of math—the actual understanding of math is conceptual. For example, we don’t think of the natural numbers verbally through peano’s axioms—we think of them as a concept that is “constrained” by the axioms. a good analogy i heard is that of a castle—imagine your understanding of math as building a castle in your mind. math constrains our castle to have a moat, ramparts, etc, but the actual castle we each think of is different. my point is that you can think of the “castle” without the language—the language is a tool for arriving at conclusions, yes—in fact I think in language if needed sometimes, to draw conclusions best suited to it—but going back to (at least my) point, conscious thought and being an actual human do not require 24/7 internal monologue.
i will say, the “work with the symbol” part is true—the language of mathematics, for example, allows us to arrive at new results without necessarily understanding them—same with the language of code, if it compiles—but only true understanding begets truly creative insights/results, and that is (at least as far as I could tell) what the discussion here is about—ability to understand without language.
When you walk down the street do you think
“Left step”
“Right step”
“Left step”
“Right step”
and hear it in your own voice 24/7? You don’t have to answer that, obviously you don’t. I think the difficulty here is people having different internal definitions of what is meant by “thinking”
bingo, and that’s a tricky problem because we’re talking about thinking in language, a tool we CAN use for thinking, and that many anons apparently mistake for thought itself
I'm referring to complex thought, which utilizes language as a tool to reduce complexity and organize information.
For example, if I play back a past conversation in my mind, I will not go over an exchange of concepts between the two people I'm thinking of
thoughts aren’t inherently attached to language lmao. language is a tool/convention we use to communicate thought—the exact thoughts we have about the same word are totally different and are shaped by our experiences and how we think. if you haven’t realized that you haven’t truly thought about why language means. ONLY if legal in your country (applies to wherever I have said this/this has been said) drop acid
Ok real talk, how do people function without an internal monologue? Are they automatons or something?
Stimuli -> behavior
There is no questioning or critical analysis
Hence why most people (~80+%) are literally incapable of questioning authority figures. Its how humans evolved; a centralized class of leaders who generate ideas which are then followed by the masses. When the class of leaders in a society is corrupted the masses run to jump off the cliff.
Here for the internal monologue mogging
Internal moggologue
Can this inner monologue still be taught? Or are you just born with it
Rejoice. There's still hope.
Oh don't worry I've always had this. I was just wondering if some people are just born moronic.
bullshit picture, the guy is just farming upboats
Hmm. I used to think in language, but recently it's very inconsistent. I go for long stretches on auto pilot and I want to stop.
Are you a brainlet if you can't picture an apple?
it's so bizarre that some people don't have an internal monologue. Like the entire day I'm narrating what I'm doing or having philosophical discussions with myself and analysing all sorts of random things that come to mind. Perhaps this is why I'm so comfortable being alone for extended periods and don't feel the need for regular social interaction.
Isn't the voice narrating read text and inner monologue the same voice?
>Isn't the voice narrating read text and inner monologue the same voice?
If you inner monologue is voice-based, you need to use the part of your brain involved in hearing to produce thoughts. If your inner monologue is meaning-based, your skipping that part and going directly through the proper brain centers.
The diffrence might be minimal in inner monologue, but it's like reading aloud vs reading by hearing your voice without speaking vs just fricking reading things and knowing what's in the text. Vocalisation slows you down. Midwits like to pretend hearing your own voice while thinking is superior, but it's only superior to Black folk and morons. A proper inner monologue is based on actual meaning and skips language alltogether.
How are you guys measuring all of this? I think in all of this. Music, spacial, language. But as you say I don't have timbre or cadence to the words they are just meaning kind of describing the thoughts already taking place like a transcriber. I think people good at speaking and writing probably have this. I can add accents or celebrity voices but that isn't the standard. Standard is just the words to describe the thoughts without any real sound or phonetics to it.
Autistic people vs edgy virgins itt
"people" without internal monologue are just unconscious things of the same level as a rock or a sponge
The NPC cope itt is sad. Life is unfair. Just like how some people are born without arms or legs, or some people are born with dwarfism, some people are born without all their mental faculties available. There's no need to be salty about it, just accept it and try to make the best of it.
you seem conscious man, my aim wasn’t to attack your mode of thinking—just to defend my own. your awareness puts you in the non-npc category, at least in my book. I know exactly what you mean with the calculator analogy and that ain’t me. I’m capable of the monologue—but why would I have it running 24/7? read The Power of Now or drop acid or something man and you’ll realize you don’t need constant language in your head—in fact, language is so imperfect, anon.
to be fair there are tons of the calculator type around at my uni, people who clearly do not have a “self” in the truest sense of the word, but my point is that not having a constant monologue does not preclude you from intelligence—and in fact could help
I dont understand what people talking about in this internal monologue discussion
Obviously everyone is capable of nonverbal thoughts - no one is driving down the street and thinks the words
“I will now stop at the stoplight”
“I will now put on my turn signal”
“I will now turn onto the side road”
When I am thinking about social situations & what I’m going to say, I think in terms of language
When I am coding I think in terms of code
When I am doing math I think in terms of math
When I play guitar in think in terms of sound
When I lift weights I think in terms of muscle movements
Can someone help me understand what the frick people are talking about with this “internal monologue” vs “no internal monologue” thing?
anon I think some people only think in language
like they either aren’t aware that (human) language and thought aren’t intrinsically tied or they genuinely are like processing words 24/7 to do everything
either way, an ironic state of affairs
aphantasia == low test