Can do 120 for 5 sets of 8 now. Tore my pec a couple years ago unrelated to lifting and remember starting with 20 after the surgery and having really bad pain. Pec deck is great.
I can control the negatives better with pec deck. I’m not going as far back as I did prior to surgery, but I still get a chest pump/have regained some chest mass. Bench is too risky, I stick to floor press.
All the major back exercises and bicep isolation lifts are better for your biceps that whatever minuscule way OP could possibly be hitting them with shit technique on fly machines. Yes, he's moronic, and this is bait whether he intended it or not.
No you fricking moron. The starting position in a fly puts all the tension in the bicep in it's lengthened position. You're back must look like shit also.
>Can only do about 6 reps at 130 >do 1 at 160 >do 1 at 180 >frick it, all in >effortlessly do one at 260 >never been able to repeat this feat >learned I could only do that because I was using a ton of bicep and that this machine is heavily bicep involved unless treating it more like a converging chest press >want to let biceps rest, not to work them on push day >stop fricking around with it for a long time because it felt like it was doing frick-all for chest and also fricking my bicep gains >come back after a few weeks/months >can only do 1 at 130 >have to drop it down to 100 to get multiple reps >try it with bicep involvement >can only get 160 for one
>can bench 200 for 2 reps >try the chest press machine >100 lbs hard as frick >check stats online to make sure it's not for each arm >machine weight stack is not for each arm, it's just 100 lbs total for both arms >machine with mechanical advantage is somehow twice as hard to move as picking up a literal hunk of iron
wtf are these infernal machines
Because most machines are moronic as shit and you're training to get better at the machine. That's why free weights are superior, i.e db pec decks in place of the machine.
You don't need a lot like those brosplit morons but you definitely need some
This exercise absolutely destroys my front delts and I start to feel it in my lats towards the end of a set. I’ve had a PT “correct” my form before but it didn’t help much. What am I doing wrong?
Elbows should be lower/seat higher
To hit the chest, draw a line from the inner lower corner of your pec to the shoulder joint
You should mirror that angle with your upper arm across the shoulder joint
The higher the elbows are, the higher you hit on the chest
There aren't muscles above the pec minor except just the front delt
This exercise absolutely destroys my front delts and I start to feel it in my lats towards the end of a set. I’ve had a PT “correct” my form before but it didn’t help much. What am I doing wrong?
I wonder if leaning back in the seat and moving your butt forward more is the key to maximally hitting the chest and taking the shoulders and biceps out of it. Number one mistake I notice with other people is when they either go to heavy or get fatigued and start leaning forward and getting the shoulders involved to finish off the set
(You) need them
yeah but do your chain hang low?
Do it wobble to da flow?
Do it shine in the light?
Is it platinum, is it gold?
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MUST BE GOOD FOR ARMS!!!
stay dyel moron
Can do 120 for 5 sets of 8 now. Tore my pec a couple years ago unrelated to lifting and remember starting with 20 after the surgery and having really bad pain. Pec deck is great.
>120 on machine Flys
No excuse not to get back on the bench
I can control the negatives better with pec deck. I’m not going as far back as I did prior to surgery, but I still get a chest pump/have regained some chest mass. Bench is too risky, I stick to floor press.
So you are saying if i maximize my arm bending in this movement it actually becomes a bicep workout? Or is this just bait?
All the major back exercises and bicep isolation lifts are better for your biceps that whatever minuscule way OP could possibly be hitting them with shit technique on fly machines. Yes, he's moronic, and this is bait whether he intended it or not.
No you fricking moron. The starting position in a fly puts all the tension in the bicep in it's lengthened position. You're back must look like shit also.
Do you have one comparing bench with cable fly or pec deck? Dumbbell flies are trash
>Can only do about 6 reps at 130
>do 1 at 160
>do 1 at 180
>frick it, all in
>effortlessly do one at 260
>never been able to repeat this feat
>learned I could only do that because I was using a ton of bicep and that this machine is heavily bicep involved unless treating it more like a converging chest press
>want to let biceps rest, not to work them on push day
>stop fricking around with it for a long time because it felt like it was doing frick-all for chest and also fricking my bicep gains
>come back after a few weeks/months
>can only do 1 at 130
>have to drop it down to 100 to get multiple reps
>try it with bicep involvement
>can only get 160 for one
>can bench 200 for 2 reps
>try the chest press machine
>100 lbs hard as frick
>check stats online to make sure it's not for each arm
>machine weight stack is not for each arm, it's just 100 lbs total for both arms
>machine with mechanical advantage is somehow twice as hard to move as picking up a literal hunk of iron
wtf are these infernal machines
Because most machines are moronic as shit and you're training to get better at the machine. That's why free weights are superior, i.e db pec decks in place of the machine.
I want everyone who claims you don't need direct Arm work to post pictures.
Go on, post those T-REX bodies with 13.5 inch arms.
do chins and reverse grip pulldowns count as direct arm work?
no
>chins and reverse grip pulldowns don’t count as arm work
They don't. Post arms.
You don't need a lot like those brosplit morons but you definitely need some
Elbows should be lower/seat higher
To hit the chest, draw a line from the inner lower corner of your pec to the shoulder joint
You should mirror that angle with your upper arm across the shoulder joint
The higher the elbows are, the higher you hit on the chest
There aren't muscles above the pec minor except just the front delt
When you're at a different angle, mirror it
this exercise hurts my wrist and I don't know why
This exercise absolutely destroys my front delts and I start to feel it in my lats towards the end of a set. I’ve had a PT “correct” my form before but it didn’t help much. What am I doing wrong?
Probably leaning forward. I tend to do the same thing when going heavy or close to failure
stick those tittys out moronic
lift with the muscle you intend to train
the best bicep exercises to be scientifically proven to work the biceps the best, are db preacher curls and flexor incline db curls
the fricking end. the bicep is a rather simple muscle.
>flexor incline db curls
no, they do not!
>scientifically proven
NERD
This machine destroys my rotator cuffs. Cables are far superior.
If you're feeling your biceps in this and not just DOMS from stretching sore biceps, you're doing something wrong.
I wonder if leaning back in the seat and moving your butt forward more is the key to maximally hitting the chest and taking the shoulders and biceps out of it. Number one mistake I notice with other people is when they either go to heavy or get fatigued and start leaning forward and getting the shoulders involved to finish off the set
Why can I PecDeck the whole stack (250 lbs) but only bench 2Pl8s (225)?
Yeah I wonder this to, I've been able to do the whole stack for a bit now even when my bench was under 2pl8, do you have long arms too?
I'm 6'4" and have a 17.5"neck and 37" sleeve length (when shopping for dress shirts)
Is long arms good for PecDec?
weak ass triceps.