Is meditation a legit habit that can help you in life or it's a placebo bullshit made up by self-improvement gurus?
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Is meditation a legit habit that can help you in life or it's a placebo bullshit made up by self-improvement gurus?
>Can being in control of your own mind and thoughts help you in life?
idk man
I think you misunderstand. Placebo help people all the time. Osmosis Jones knew a sugar pill that cured cancer. But to answer your question, 1 million% yes meditation is good. Every world religion has a form of it and it seems like buddhism's is the most pure. Just my thoughts.
It's bullshit.
Meditation actually makes you more gullible.
Although you have to be pretty gullible to start meditating to begin with.
Proves my point rather eloquently.
>Meditation actually makes you more gullible.
Do explain how does this work. How does exercising mastery over your faculties make you gullible?
Meditation is often about focusing on the present and taking in as much as you can at once instead of thinking about the past or the future. Recalling what you did wrong can be important, but it can also just be indulgent. Its best to focus oncdoing your best right now so the future ends up as you would want in the first place. Meditation lowers anxiety and improves focus. Sounds like a wonder drug for the modern man. Maybe you could benefit from that. But youll just keep pushing it away in fear that you have neglected a literal X factor in your life up to this point.
both
and neither
Think about it like zeroing a rifle. It helps you focus a little but for the average person if you're spending an hour doing it you're doing it wrong.
There's the calming, restful and mind clearing surface level meditation that is easy enough to get into. Then there's the Buddhism, dedicated and deep meditation that is basically like doing strong psychedelics. Both is very valuable.
can you recommend some books about actual legit meditation? I only read "Keep your Breath in Mind" and use technique similiar to one described - focus on breath how it flow through every part of body, try to visualize it flowing through you, breath as it feels comfortable given moment
I see meditation has been discussed a lot here lately.
Reminder to anons reading this: the common type of meditation is promoted in the West to hypnotize Whites so that they become tamed to the system, easier to manipulate. It's better to just pray instead, according to your belief/religion. Do NOT follow the "meditation" fad and try to "empty your mind", or pursue (the homosexual type of) "mindfulness", "equanimity" etc, which shouldn't be equal to "stop thinking" (you will notice how often ~~*they*~~ promote this), but thinking the right thing.
Go leave moron. Meditation is a tool that clears your mind of bullshit thoughtforms, memes and ideologies that hold you back from knowing yourself and seeing reality for what it is instead of what you think or want it to be. This is a danger to you and "THEM" because when the individual has a clear mind he has a chance in thinking for himself and using his god given intelect to make constructive decisions that will lead to his freedom. The weak minded find shelter in consumerism, political movements, philosophies, institutions, ideologies and fanboyism by substituting their individuality with memetic possession. Literal NPCs.
>anything alluding to politics is /misc/
Do you deny what I described? Why is meditation popularized so hard? Do you not see the similarity of the trend of "meditating" and normalizing taking anti depressant medicines?
>Do you not see the similarity of the trend of "meditating" and normalizing taking anti depressant medicines?
I never heard or saw anything like. To my understanding 90% of people never meditate or prey. I don't see meditation being particularly pushed or promoted at all. What does this have anything to do with anti depressant medicine?
Please explain how increasing your mental discipline leads to being "easier to manipulate"
because a large amount of regular "meditators" become buddhist or copy (parts of) the budhist lifestyle. Meaning they accept things how they are and will less likely use force when being opressed.
laughable logic
You can call that laughable but the facts speak for themselves. They have been doing this for years. Prisoners getting meditating courses. Violent inmates stop being violent and become easier to control.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31434516/
You had better not be a Christian either, since Christ commands us to turn the other cheek
Most people start meditating because they want to suffer less. The shortest path is to ignore aversion. That may be a good thing for the life of one individual but what do you think this affects a people as a whole? Suffering has its value. I am not against meditating nor against decreasing suffering, but they hide the unspoken message of "care less about your duty to your people" behind it.
This is complete misunderstanding of meditation practice. You do not ignore suffering, in fact meditation practice teaches you to observe and experience suffering more fully.
Meditation and Buddhism in the West, from the new age/hippie movement, is used as a tool to control the masses and promote degeneracy such as “free love” and “tolerance” toward invading races, but these people rarely bring up disciplined meditation. They use it as a sort of life-philosophy without actual practice, like many Judeo-Christians as well. They are a product of the same underlying current that proceeds from modern materialism and “Judaism”. Any sort of religious/spiritual activity that takes the fight to these thought forms is a useful weapon indeed and can be used to free the mind and spirit from the decadence of the age. Bodybuilding is another one of these weapons, as long as you are training “spiritually” and not using it to propagate lower forms of consciousness - lust, anger, etc.
It's very real, in fact it can be harmful and destabilizing for people with unstable egos (schizophrenia etc.) because it actually works. The problem with meditation is that it cannot be explained. There are things you can do to train but the realizations are sudden. It's not like you can lift 100 kg, and then you can lift 110 kg. You have a breakthrough, and then nothing, and then another breakthrough. You can practice for months with no results and then suddenly get it.
I can say things like you is something that doesn't exist, everything is simply appearing, there is only the consciousness, you cannot try, you just do, and other things, but it won't make any sense unless you experience it for yourself. With enough practice you can jump into the state of meditation quickly while standing in a crowd, be in complete unity with the universe, absolute Nirvana, and come back 15 seconds later when it's your time to order fries. It has to be practiced to develop an automatic response to things like becoming angry. You practice meditation to prepare yourself for the worst day of your life. But be warned, once you come to the realizations and breakthroughts, you cannot put the paste back into the tube. You can stop meditating forever, but once you learned mindfulness, you permanently changed your neurology and your brain won't unlearn it. That's why it's dangerous if you suffer from specific psychiatric disorders. I didn't meditate in years and I can still do it instantly.
I've had relatively high doses of psilocybin mushrooms and meditation is not any less powerful. It can be even more powerful and more scary in some ways because you really learn how it feels like to not exist, to observe the illusion of being in control of your thoughts, and you will see the animal that is controlled by its chemical processes. If you were a materialist before, you might become more spiritual, maybe even start believing in God.
>I can say things like you is something that doesn't exist, everything is simply appearing, there is only the consciousness, you cannot try, you just do, and other things, but it won't make any sense unless you experience it for yourself
I get similiar feeling if eat too many cough pills (dxm). With meditation, yoga and interest in philosophy and eastern spirituality i hope to get into such state whenever i want. Another state i really like - after intense session of yoga i lay down in "shabasana" (corpse pose) and i feel so lightweighted, no worry on my mind, and my body is totally void of any pain i cant quite explain it
how did you learn ? can you recommend any book or something?
I used Sam Harris' Waking Up. He offers a year free of charge, no personal info, no credit card or name or anything, no strings attached to anyone who sends them an email that they want a free course because he believes that you should meditate even if it's not accessible financially. You can perpetually ask for another free year when it runs out. It has many different types of meditation methods. His own method is I think pragmatic and focused to be useful but "the headless way" course was also very good. He also has plenty of supplemental material like the downsides and dangers of meditation in podcast format with doctors so it's a very serious and well-structured thing. I cannot shill him enough because it changed my life and it was completely for free. The registration asks for a name but you can put in a fake name. Each episode of meditation can be chosen in either 10 or 20 min format. I did that every day, most often the 10 min version, finished the 50 episodes (now only 30 I think) and then did his daily meditation every day. He also has a long one that is 1 hour long, I did that too but generally stuck with 10 mins every day, eventually switched to 20 minutes. I was making huge progress each month, quit after 2 years but the skill remains.
Definitely helps with ideas, in you're in a creative field you should take it up.
It's helpful, and a good habit to add, but I'd put it as a tier 2 habit, where it's not really worth adding until you've got a good diet, sleep right, work out and are productive in work/school. Meditation is great for getting better understanding and control of your own thoughts, and all you really need is 15 mins a day for most of the benefits. A lot of the benefits are placebo, but placebos work, and meditation is the most pure placebo there is. Also, it can get pretty fun if you get more into it, but this is more schizo shit. I've been meditating daily for 3 years, and have had a few experiences that felt similar to when I've done DMT, all from my own mind.
I have creepling ADHD. The most productive and happy I've been in my adult life was when I meditated two times a day, for at least thirty minutes total. Make of that what you will.
>creepling
I'm moronic. I meant "crippling".
try it instead of asking here homosexual it literally takes 0 time and effort in your day
>walk into meditation center
>see lot of females and boomers
>ask the boomers how long they have been meditating.
>they say 30+ years
>ask them what it brought them after all these years
>they say a little bit peace of mind.
Its just a way indians and fake teachers make living. Listening to classical music with my eyes closed has the same effect.
It's pretty useful if you actually observe your thoughts. Most people are too moronic for that, and they think they already got it, but they dont, never settle in sureness.
Lately my meditations have been a constant feeling of realization, I dont know what because I felt it, so I cant put it into words, but it doesnt matter, they're things to feel and to apply without any need for words.
>It's pretty useful if you actually observe your thoughts
But every at least 60 IQ person is aware of the always present voice in their heads. We are all aware we don't have to give that negative voice too much attention if we want to stay aware/present. Thats just basic knowledge.
Most people are not aware. They have impulsive behavior, mindlessly consume and easily bend in the direction the emotions push them. Their minds are a chaotic uncontrollable mix of fears, fantasies and intrusive thoughts.
>Most people are not aware.
Thats your assumption and something "meditators" tell themselves to justify the endless hours they spent sitting wasting time. Everybody is aware all the time since they were born. If you hear the sounds around you and see the things around, well, that means you are aware. You have always been aware and have to do nothing to be aware. You don't have to listen with focus to hear something and don't have to focus your eyes to see something.
>If you hear the sounds around you and see the things around, well, that means you are aware
By your definition of awareness people who have 5 senses are aware. This is true but it is obvious there are levels to how aware, strong and clear the individuals mind and senses are. Some zoomer growing up on tiktok with a gold fish attention span whos senses get hijacked by the virtual world has the ability to as you say "hear the sounds around himself and see the things around" but do you really think his level of awareness and self control is the same as somebody who actively trains his mind and intellect to stay centered and avoid counter productive, overstimulating, impulsive actions? The mind and 5 senses can be sharpened and dulled. I am sure you heard of cases where people lost sight but developed higher power over other senses to make up for the lacking sense. I agree with you that we are already born with awareness but when I mentioned awareness in my post I was referring to it with a different definition in mind. Namely, the perfect mastery of the mind and senses to such a degree that the individuals perception of reality is so strong the time moves as if slower and not a singe thought can arise without a permission. I do not have to explain why cultivating such a state would be useful for performance in daily life and competition.
>. Some zoomer growing up on tiktok with a gold fish attention span
Thats literally the same effect as sitting for hours. Zoomers get lost in tiktok and forget everything around them. They can tiktok for hours and not be aware of anything around them. That is also a "meditative" state without having to sit for hours. Its a state of being were you don't have thoughts and are fully in the moment. Don't hate tiktok zoomers because they are daily in the ste of being you are trying to achieve by sitting for hours
Mindlessly consuming chains of 10s videos is far from being "in a meditative state". It's passive as frick. You're not training your mind.
No, it's not the same thing. You are aware of the voice in your head. But you are not aware of that person that is aware of the voice in your head. You are looking at the voice in your head, you are not looking at the one who is looking. When you look for the one who is looking, when you look for the center, what do you see? These are incredibly complex exercises you cannot invoke without training or sudden transcendental experiences. No amount of intelligence will reveal this. You can know if as an information, but you have to feel it to really understand what it means that there is no you.
>No, it's not the same thing. You are aware of the voice in your head. But you are not aware of that person that is aware of the voice in your head.
If you don't pay attention to the voice in your head, you are just being and experiencing life. I don't need to sit for hours to realize that. I can have the same experience when listeing to music or watching a good movie. In sports they call it the super-focus. You really don't need to sit for hours to experience that.
That is not meditation. Meditation is very different from flow. When you meditate, you are in that state you are speaking of while also paying attention to the voice in your head, while paying attention to paying attention, etc. When you are in a flow you don't exist, only the world is there. When you meditate you know you don't exist and see that only the world is there. It's a completely different thing. When you have sex or dance or are listening to music and get into flow, it can be interrupted and you are suddenly not experiencing flow anymore. When you are meditating and you are interrupted, the interruption is part of the flow. I can be in that super-focus to a pneumatic drill on the street. I can get to that super-focus instantly at any time. When you are angry and are shouting, you are not in the watching a good movie state. When I am angry I can instantly go into flow and observe the anger like you watch a good movie. You have no idea what you are talking about.
its literally the same thing. The thing with people that "meditate" is that they are always looking for excuses to justify the hours they spent sitting. Its always no it can't be the same thing because I spent 500 hours sitting in silence for that. In psychology they call that effort justification.
>trust me bro it's the same thing I know even though I have no experience with it
Grug pick heavy thing Grug put heavy thing down sad voice goes away.
you know deep inside its the same thing. But because of effort justification you want to give a special meaning because it took you hours and hours and hours while others reach it in an instance.
>you know deep inside its the same thing
I explained the difference in my previous post. I don't understand why you think you are right when you have no experience.
kek no, you are just rambling nonsense now to justify your wasted hours.
>you are in that state you are speaking of while also paying attention to the voice in your head.
>When you are in a flow you don't exist, only the world is there.
>When you meditate you know you don't exist and see that only the world is there.
You really have no idea what you are saying. Flow is a state of being, of not being aware of everything around you. According your gibberish the real flow is being aware and paying attention to not being aware that you are aware. Let me tell you this, when you are aware of something and paying attention to it, you are not in a flow of just being. If you are still looking from a certain pov, you are not just being, but are focussing your attention to a point what means that that's a doing., and activity so you say.
Just drop the effort justification and cognitive dissonance anon.
> Flow is a state of being, of not being aware of everything around you.
True, and meditation is flow + extra experience that cannot be described by words. I tried to approximate the usefulness of the skill to you. You should reread my post and try to understand it. Your idea of meditation is virgin's idea of sex after he read a sex ed pamphlet.
>Let me tell you this, when you are aware of something and paying attention to it, you are not in a flow of just being.
You are wrong. It's called meditation and it does exist because I experienced it. In fact I am experiencing it right in this moment as I am typing this post. I can alternate in and out of the state instantly as I please, but of course my want is just another thought that is not really in my control.
You obviously have no idea what you're talking about, please stop embarrassing yourself and if you want to participate in a meaningful way, give meditation a try.
>Your idea of meditation is a virgin's idea of sex after he read a sex ed pamphlet
Spot on
Not going to waste my time on a full length answer because nobody would appreciate it anyway since IST is full of zoomers and people sub 100 IQ who don't read. But basically all cultures have some core concepts to them that are reflected in their foundational texts snd architecture. Look up John Lobell's lectures on Archicture and culture on youtube for more.
In the west the foundational text is not the bible but the king of Arthur. Which emphasises individualism and jurisprudence. The concept of jurisprudence in particular is reflected in the skylight of architecture in churches.
Now most westerners are divorced from their own culture, and as a consequence latch on to other cultures for the sake of spiritual and philosophical sustenance, such as indian philosophy which promotes identifying with the infinite or chinese philosophy which emphasised harmony with nature. This new focus on meditation is a reflection of this. So yes, it may have some merit, but you should also research your own culture's philosophical origin and practices (western philosophy, codes of chivalry etc).
Unfortunately most people won't and for every one person who has good metaphysics, there are thousands of
morons spouting pseudo philosophy about how consciousness flows from your fingertips (actually heard this from some hindu trying to shill me the bagavat gita) that dmt let's you to talk to beings from the 8th dimension, or that meditation made them realise that there is no self. (spoiler alert they conflate self with identity)
>TL/DR; supplement with foundational western texts and analytical philosophy (logic, metaphyics, epistemology philosophy of science, philosophy of mind) so you don't become a moron.
>or that meditation made them realise that there is no self. (spoiler alert they conflate self with identity)
No. There is no self. There is identity. This brain identifies as the cluster of its experiences. But the I behind the eyes is just another thought.
See what I mean OP? No argument as to WHY the "I" is just another thought, it just is.
Also
>Humean bundle theory of self
Yes but the phenomenologicsl minimal self exists. What's the common thread between those bundles of perceptual experiences across time? Unless you are a philosophical zombie you have a self.
>T. Did meditation for several hours a day and also a philosophy major.
Not going to continue because meditation gays think they are enlightened even though they can't articulate logically consistent concepts and don't realise they are retreading ground western philosophers already trod over hundreds of years ago.
>What's the common thread between those bundles of perceptual experiences across time?
You doesn't exist when the food is great and the music is amazing. The self is a thought, like any other thought. There is no free will, the self is lodged in the illusion of the consciousness. This is not enlightenment, this is just common sense. Think about this: The universe is random. Or the universe is deterministic. Pick one. Neither is compatible with free will. You are a result of many chances, either random or deterministic. You is the thing that thinks it wants to watch the movie when it's the limbic system being pumped with neurotransmitters. If there is no free will, the only sense of the self is the illusory nature of it. I do exist because the illusion of me is extremely compelling and self-evident. But when I look at the universe objectively and I try to explain my choices, there are no choices. I was born into specific family, raised in specific way, I never decided what kind of things I will like based on my neurochemistry, if I will be stimulated by rock or by trance. Everything simply happened to me. I like to tell myself I am making decisions, I am the one who is motivated and working hard, but I was given the ability to be or not be disciplined just as I was given my sexual orientation and everything else in life. Btw I am a spiritual person and I do believe in the existence of God. It still doesn't give me free will or true self.
I have to go now, take care man. I talked with you in good faith and I hope you will be more open about these things. Forget about influencers selling their goyslop meditations or what have you. Proper mindfulness is a very useful skill.
Stop viewing meditation through the lens of modern day hippies and self improvement gays.
Instead see it as a tool for halting influence from and bombardment by outside forces on your mind.
Allows you to focus more on breathing which is good for your body. Removes stress etc.
Secular meditation is mental prayer without God. Essentially raising your mind to nothingness or merely the self. Part of the new One World Religion and nature worship psyop they're been pushing in recent years.
Pray instead, OP. Pray and converse with God.
how do grug make monkey in grug head quiet?
Meditation is the goyslop of prayer.
I do it as it is supposed to activate the PNS. Couldn't hurt.
meditation with the use of chakras is this satanic or not? maybe thats what the moron means about meditation being a scam.
Of course it does, why wouldn't it?
Not gonna read anyone’s post here but I will help: Mahamudra for the modern world. It has changed my life. I have a google drive with the recordings but not sure if I can share here.
What is it about meditation threads that always have morons typing essays like anyone gives a shit what they have to say? No other topic brings out the pseuds this much
Actual intelligent and mentally strong people find common ground to share their beliefs perhaps, unlike the coomer and novice threads full of useless one sentence replies
I noticed IST replies are getting shorter and more people skip longer replies altogether. It's pretty sad to see it and your post is representing this no attention span need quick dopamine AIDS too well.
I don't know what benefits you want but look into buteyko breathing.
there's a few breathing routines/exercises i've tried and
buteyko breathing exercises=wim hof
If you're into it for the spirituality or whatever yeah good luck with that
It's legit and the more you do it the better the results, just like with everything else.
Meditating works in my opinion. It takes training, like working out or learning a musical instrument, to get better at it.
It won't make you enlightened whatsoever, but it helps you to manage stress and feel better.
Stop debating about this anon, just give it a try and see if it works out for you.
Just sit down and focus on your breath and see how long you can last.
It works but no better or worse than any other practice of concentrating on one activity. You can meditate, or read poetry, or juggle balls, or paint, or solve math, or whatever requires your mind to stay sharp. It's the same crap.
Yes it helped me not to identify with my thoughts.
Meditating and not doing it is like swimming and drowning.