yes, my hunter gatherer counterpart would probably die in his 30's.my brain may be fried from staring at screens for too long but at least im alive and can afford to permabulk for a few more decades
Sigh, there are still people repeating that braindead canard
Average lifespan of 30 was calculated including child mortality.
If a person survived childhood, they could expect to live until middle age at least. If they avoided getting killed by another human or during a hunt, they could expect to live until 60-70.
It was the jomon average. They didn't live very long because they lived in a place that had super shit native plants and animals for micros besides seasonally salmon.
>For example, hunter-gatherers at age 30 have the same probability of death as present-day Japanese at the age of 72: hence the age of a person in Japan that is equivalent to a 30-y-old hunter-gatherer is 72. In other words, compared with the evolutionary pattern, 72 is the new 30.
from a study called human mortality improvement in evolutionary context available on pubmed central
Yes and no.
There would have been more ISTter ancient men than what most average men are today because of their environment and nature.
However, it's fair to say that there would be a small percentage of people who are IST that would well surpass the average ancient men, and be able to reach higher highs.
Modern hunter gatherers live a ridiculously impoverished existence compared to our neolithic ancestors. We used to eat mammoth, giant sloth, wooly rhino and aurochs. Our evolutionary niche was big game hunting, and until round 15k years ago, big game was insanely plentiful. The mean mass of a land mammal used to be 500kg, now its 10kg, there were huge herds of herbivores everywhere. Modern hunter gatherers live NOTHING like our ancestors.
Oh, and >giant sloth
is an exclusively New World animal
Details! You know what I'm talking about. So I mixed up my terms and didn't know the particular habitat of the giant sloth, sue me.
The fact remains, our ancestors ate big, fat fricking mammals, not gazelle and bush monkey like modern hunter gatherers. A completely different ecosystem.
No but it doesn't exactly paint you as an expert, and it doesn't address that Ötzi and Cheddar Man were both manlets at 5'3 and 5'5 respectively. Actual remains from the Stone Age, and earlier periods, are almost always manlets/womanlets.
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Those guys came way later than what I'm talking about, and you know it. Otzi was, what, 3k BC? That was well after the ecosystem shift, poor Otzi was a modern hunter gatherer.
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Holds true for Upper Paleolothic Cro-Magnon remains too. Brain volume was greater, but they were manlets, or at least normalets.
Ötzi would probably murder most modern men in his weight class. Size isn't everything, there's a reason why bodybuilders don't dominate professional fighting
they may be manlets but it's very likely they were stronger from constant exercise. yeah they'll lose out to top athletes today but look at how chimps outperform humans in strength despite averaging around 100 lbs. on top of also being familiar with using spears and bows they'd pretty easily beat the average sedentary modern man. also otzi is just one guy, there could've been other humans that were taller and just didn't get preserved
ancient man can still be seen in tribes around the world
they are strong enough for what their environment demands, but since they don't lift the average joe lifting for 5 years can develop more muscle
even the most maxxed out roid trannies are probably not as strong as the average neanderthal teenage girl.
Note that us homosexual sapiens only made them extinct because they thought we wuz sexy.
>european woman
>dog
checks out
from ancient times
why are you like this?
brown
/misc/ is leaking
>White women have been fricking dogs since 10.000 bc
It's in their blood, lmao
yes, my hunter gatherer counterpart would probably die in his 30's.my brain may be fried from staring at screens for too long but at least im alive and can afford to permabulk for a few more decades
Sigh, there are still people repeating that braindead canard
Average lifespan of 30 was calculated including child mortality.
If a person survived childhood, they could expect to live until middle age at least. If they avoided getting killed by another human or during a hunt, they could expect to live until 60-70.
It was the jomon average. They didn't live very long because they lived in a place that had super shit native plants and animals for micros besides seasonally salmon.
>For example, hunter-gatherers at age 30 have the same probability of death as present-day Japanese at the age of 72: hence the age of a person in Japan that is equivalent to a 30-y-old hunter-gatherer is 72. In other words, compared with the evolutionary pattern, 72 is the new 30.
from a study called human mortality improvement in evolutionary context available on pubmed central
Yes and no.
There would have been more ISTter ancient men than what most average men are today because of their environment and nature.
However, it's fair to say that there would be a small percentage of people who are IST that would well surpass the average ancient men, and be able to reach higher highs.
No, we're puny compared to them. We also have 10% smaller brains. Our pre-agricultural ancestors were superhuman compared to us.
>b-but muh technology
They didn't need technology, because they lived in the niche they evolved into, and were perfectly content with their lot.
>No, we're puny compared to them
Modern day hunter gatherers are small and lean and get devastatingly mogged by industrialised people. Ötzi was 5'3.
>they lived in the niche they evolved into, and were perfectly content with their lot
This is true though
Modern hunter gatherers live a ridiculously impoverished existence compared to our neolithic ancestors. We used to eat mammoth, giant sloth, wooly rhino and aurochs. Our evolutionary niche was big game hunting, and until round 15k years ago, big game was insanely plentiful. The mean mass of a land mammal used to be 500kg, now its 10kg, there were huge herds of herbivores everywhere. Modern hunter gatherers live NOTHING like our ancestors.
>neolithic
Characterised by the adoption of farming. Big game hunting cultures would have been much earlier.
Details! You know what I'm talking about. So I mixed up my terms and didn't know the particular habitat of the giant sloth, sue me.
The fact remains, our ancestors ate big, fat fricking mammals, not gazelle and bush monkey like modern hunter gatherers. A completely different ecosystem.
No but it doesn't exactly paint you as an expert, and it doesn't address that Ötzi and Cheddar Man were both manlets at 5'3 and 5'5 respectively. Actual remains from the Stone Age, and earlier periods, are almost always manlets/womanlets.
Those guys came way later than what I'm talking about, and you know it. Otzi was, what, 3k BC? That was well after the ecosystem shift, poor Otzi was a modern hunter gatherer.
Holds true for Upper Paleolothic Cro-Magnon remains too. Brain volume was greater, but they were manlets, or at least normalets.
Oh, and
>giant sloth
is an exclusively New World animal
Ötzi would probably murder most modern men in his weight class. Size isn't everything, there's a reason why bodybuilders don't dominate professional fighting
they may be manlets but it's very likely they were stronger from constant exercise. yeah they'll lose out to top athletes today but look at how chimps outperform humans in strength despite averaging around 100 lbs. on top of also being familiar with using spears and bows they'd pretty easily beat the average sedentary modern man. also otzi is just one guy, there could've been other humans that were taller and just didn't get preserved
Define IST. They were superior performance-wise but looked DYEL.
I want to frick this lady and create a new haplogroup
ancient man can still be seen in tribes around the world
they are strong enough for what their environment demands, but since they don't lift the average joe lifting for 5 years can develop more muscle
Maybe they are more fit than all you fatties. I was a high-performing college athlete.
Yes
Todays athletes are much better in than the past athletes
People back then were on their feet all day and did manual labor for everything
even the most maxxed out roid trannies are probably not as strong as the average neanderthal teenage girl.
Note that us homosexual sapiens only made them extinct because they thought we wuz sexy.
You just know
More medically sound, yes.