if he is natty in that pic, then why does it say gear on his shorts?
checkmate, you libtard
6 months ago
Anonymous
Nobody who is as good as you want to be to be good enough is natty.
It isn't true, but it is correct. Fall in line. Take the injections. Do not rebel. Give up. Give in.
Ronnie coleman would be a good example. Apparently he didnt juice until like 1998 and if you look at him before then he was a phenom. If thats to be believed but his mommas built too so i think hes the best example of that.
genetics, roids allow you to break thru the genetic matrix
the people in that pic all have a pump
wait till you see them without a pump
natty lifting is moronic and dumb
This is what women think of when they think "muscular guy". Roids are what men think of when they think "muscular guy". It's like how dudes all wish their dicks were 8.5 inches whereas most women think a 6 incher is big
All those ppl look good tbh you homies have crazy ass body dysmorphia for real.
they look okay but in no way is looking like that worth regular weight training, except for the 1 year guy. the 1 year guy is the only one who has gotten a proportional reward for the work put in.
that said, the 7 year guy clearly has not been isolating arms or delts, seems to hyperfocus on his chest while neglecting everything else. I think he got what he worked for, a big chest.
the 5 year guy is too fat to judge. he may actually look good under all that, but not as big as one would hope after 5 years.
the 14 years guy has fricked up posture and bone structure. I actually recognize some of my own problems like wide hips asymmetrical torso. even taking that into account he looks barely better than I do and I've been half-assing it with no gym for 1.5 years. my chest is already better than his. another case where I simply don't believe he's put in the work he says he did, just like the 7 year guy. except he has a genetic disadvantage whereas 7 year guy really has zero excuses, he's got the potential and just slacks off / trains wrong.
one thing they ALL have in common is underdeveloped lats. probably fell for the "deadlifts build lats" meme.
>mfw people finally admit my progress is good for only 11 months of lifting
About time.
but im glad to inform you that you do have a solid foundation and that you should start actually lifting(roiding). you got the potential and thats the most important part
if i dont care about my health at all and im in close to killing myself, is it ok to roid?
6 months ago
Anonymous
I don't know why you are asking me this. I don't know what it means if its "ok or not"
6 months ago
Anonymous
Yes.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Don't use gear if you're not mentally in a good place and prepared for it. You're not going to make the gains and you won't be able to handle your hormones.
6 months ago
Anonymous
you know whats funny
most people dont even grow on a shitload of tren and roids, yet these mongoloids think natty lifting will grow them LMAO
if people knew the amount of roiders blasting tren who barely grow at all, and then these natty lifters have the audacity to claim that natty lifting does frickall
im gonna repeat this one more time for everyone here: natty lifting will grow you muscles exactly 0%
This is what women think of when they think "muscular guy". Roids are what men think of when they think "muscular guy". It's like how dudes all wish their dicks were 8.5 inches whereas most women think a 6 incher is big
>the roider who got prime pussy in his 20s and 30s wont make it to 80, instead he will die at 70
how is that bad? im natty but i genuinely dont see the point in living for so long and being a decrepit frick
My outlook has never been about absolute life span but more quality. The guy on gear has a pretty quality life while he is young and on gear. You are more attractive and stronger. Then one day you stop doing roids. What does your quality of life look like until you die?
nta yeah. Arnie's okay, he can afford to drop a few thousand dollars a year on hrt, not to mention constant blood tests to ensure things are going normal. The money's one of the least of the problems of the roider, but a pretty substantial "tax" to voluntarily take ulp for the rest of your life.
6 months ago
Anonymous
hahahah
a years supple of trt costs like 200 bucks. its nothing
what is wrong with my diet?
it consists most of chicken, rice, eggs, milk
im bulking now and im a poorgay so sometimes ill eat some bread or drink chocolate milk but thats it
The only thing wrong is its boring idk have pasta once and a while or enjoy a good meatloaf. Both are cheap and good. Fr diet is fine but even as a poorgay you should learn some recipes and make tasty stuff so you dont go crazy eating chicken and rice ad nauseum
i do eat pasta sometimes but im a NEET poorgay that can only eat what my family buys so its hard to clean bulk all the time
6 months ago
Anonymous
Tbh are your parent supportive im sure especially as a neet if you just talk to them tell them you want to start dieting and working out im sure theyd be willing to buy you some stuff for just you. I mean again parents usually like seeing their kids go in a positive direction and if you just tell them im sure theyd help not like tell you to frick off. But either way keep it up and if youre ever done being a neet and have nothing really going for ya you can always find work as an electricians or plumbers apprentice if thats something you wanna do.
natty lifting amounts to nothing. its physically impossible for a body in its natural state to hypertrophy. theres about 300 mechanism in the body that actively prevents muscles from growing.
you might grow like 5% bigger as a natty over the course of 10 years. which would amount to like 1-2kg of actual muscle mass
its entirely pointless to lift natty and everyone with a working brain knows it
Good lord are you stupid. You can find photos of manual laborers with great physiques from time periods and places that assuredly point to no access or even knowledge about steroids. You're the type of moron that distorts the minds of gullible liftlets on this board
you know nothing, absolutely nothing. you are the gatekeeping type of moron that convinces people that natty lifting will amount to anything worthwhile
but it wont. its LITERALLY impossible for the muscles to grow without steroids. but then again you dont even lift so what would you know about it anyways, tard
6 months ago
Anonymous
you know whats funny
most people dont even grow on a shitload of tren and roids, yet these mongoloids think natty lifting will grow them LMAO
if people knew the amount of roiders blasting tren who barely grow at all, and then these natty lifters have the audacity to claim that natty lifting does frickall
im gonna repeat this one more time for everyone here: natty lifting will grow you muscles exactly 0%
Post your body holy shit lmao
6 months ago
Anonymous
you know whats funny
most people dont even grow on a shitload of tren and roids, yet these mongoloids think natty lifting will grow them LMAO
if people knew the amount of roiders blasting tren who barely grow at all, and then these natty lifters have the audacity to claim that natty lifting does frickall
im gonna repeat this one more time for everyone here: natty lifting will grow you muscles exactly 0%
i appreciate your optimism. but theres no such things as natty gains
the only "gains" a natty has is a temporary increase in blood volume, glycogen storage, lactic acid and water in the muscle
if a natty lifter stops lifting for a week he returns visually to the exact baseline he was however many years ago before he started lifting
Everyone that actually wants to have real discussions in this thread stop replying to this moron lmfao
blood tests are a joke, just like mike o hearn blood tests
if youve done roids for long enough you can just hop off, take a blood test and hop back on it again
blood tests are a joke, just like mike o hearn blood tests
if youve done roids for long enough you can just hop off, take a blood test and hop back on it again
yes you do, stop listening to IST's natty moronic advice
by the time you are 30 as a man ur life is literally over and you missed on all the prime pussy you could have gotten by roiding
look at all these dumb zoomers bagging every qt girl at the gym by taking SARMs which is the most moronic form of steroid you can take
you have infinite knowledge to pin nowadays but people refuse to and wanna be small forever
picrel is me before and after roids
Just start a good routine and diet and youll look great in 4 years. No real need to get saucy unless you want that look. Its a good look but you can still look great natty in 4 years
I'm 6'3" and quite handsome, I don't need to pump chinese bathtub chemicals up my ass to get laid, I can just lift as a hobby. Alternatively, just have a personality.
I’m in a similar situation. Decided to do two cycles to shave a year or so off. Got to my goal body 3 years ago and I’ve kept it with minimal effort. If you’re really paranoid about Chinese bathtubs, you can get it from any of the online clinics.
Stopped cold turkey, but I’m 34 now. I’m probably going to hop on TRT soon.
What did you run?
Ran 500mg of test and AI as needed. You don’t really need anything else for your first few cycles. I have a heart arrhythmia, so I really don’t want to push the sauce too much.
Legit this. So many ppl here make up crazy shit in their head and assume shit about girls theyve never spoken too, base their whole view of shit they see online and horror storys. I promise you bros if you even have like 2% confidence and youre not a totally maladjusted freak you will meet girls who like you its dead easy.
>. I promise you bros if you even have like 2% confidence and youre not a totally maladjusted freak you will meet girls who like you its dead easy.
okay suppose im a regular human, where do i meet these women?
Idk theyre all over really, public, the gym, grocery store, Starbucks, the beach, city parks, colleges, probably some at your work, bars, clubs, various hobby groups, comic book stores, shopping areas downtown, concerts, i mean theyre literally half the population so theyre like everywhere. I met my gf while i was working my best friend met his gf at school my gfs brother met his gf at work my sister met my brother in law at a concert. Legit theyre all over the place.
dreadful to say the least, im natty as frick and looked really good after 3 years of hard lifting, after that its a walk in the park comparatively to maintain
youre on the juice homosexual those cannonball shoulders and traps say for themselves, especially at ur height
you sound mad, i dont even take creatine champ
6 months ago
Anonymous
youre on the juice homosexual those cannonball shoulders and traps say for themselves, especially at ur height
6 months ago
Anonymous
You look good man keep it up!
6 months ago
Anonymous
How long had you been lifting in this photo? You have a sick physique and this is what all the gullible dipshits need to understand is a great goal to have naturally instead of the physiques the moronic fake natty roiders have on social media. I've been lifting naturally for 6 years and look like fricking shit compared to roiders or people that have more time and energy to put into lifting and diet. If anyone on this board actually lifted consistently for years they'd question 75% less of the insane physiques they currently think are natural. Your body should be peak goals for so many natural lifters
6 months ago
Anonymous
if that guy is truly natty then he has good genetics which isnt achievable just with "hard" work
6 months ago
Anonymous
You never know your genetic potential unless you try so lets get with it!
6 months ago
Anonymous
Why would that be unnatural? He doesnt have that dry ballsack skin roidtrannies have. He's not diced to the gills and looks soft. There's no question to me that that's natural and attainable with either hard dedication over a few years or a somewhat consistent but more relaxed effort over a long number of years. You can literally just tell from the dudes attitude in his posts in this thread that he's not a roidtroony. That body is 100% a sick natty physique
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Why would that be unnatural
he has cannonball shoulders which is a sign of roids but he probably did low doses
6 months ago
Anonymous
Those aren't cannonball shoulders. Like most people he's most likely photographing himself with a pump and that angle he put his torso at is going to accentuate the size of his right shoulder. Guarantee if that dude posts a more square shot to the camera without a pump he looks immensely different
6 months ago
Anonymous
thanks for the words of praise, about 4 years in total in that pic, and for sure the amount of fake natties talking shit really has distorted the perception of what is and isnt possible as a natural, and I think in the process many casual lifters developed this neuroticism regarding how their body looks which just makes the whole situation worse
Roiding for this lmao kys
stay mad stay small
>Why would that be unnatural
he has cannonball shoulders which is a sign of roids but he probably did low doses
bruh
6 months ago
Anonymous
Roiding for this lmao kys
6 months ago
Anonymous
>that tiny wrist
oh no no no no AHAHAHAH
6 months ago
Anonymous
>homie posting only one pic for half a year
6 months ago
Anonymous
And that's why natty lifting is a joke, perfect gym lightning with a pump to still look DYEL
6 months ago
Anonymous
Arms and legs kinda lacking, but overall a solid 5-6/10
Dude half these threads are like troony demoralization threads and the other are like incel loser shit. Only good threads are like shit like this and the ones where people argue for 3 days on weather or not deadlifts are good.
they look okay but in no way is looking like that worth regular weight training, except for the 1 year guy. the 1 year guy is the only one who has gotten a proportional reward for the work put in.
that said, the 7 year guy clearly has not been isolating arms or delts, seems to hyperfocus on his chest while neglecting everything else. I think he got what he worked for, a big chest.
the 5 year guy is too fat to judge. he may actually look good under all that, but not as big as one would hope after 5 years.
the 14 years guy has fricked up posture and bone structure. I actually recognize some of my own problems like wide hips asymmetrical torso. even taking that into account he looks barely better than I do and I've been half-assing it with no gym for 1.5 years. my chest is already better than his. another case where I simply don't believe he's put in the work he says he did, just like the 7 year guy. except he has a genetic disadvantage whereas 7 year guy really has zero excuses, he's got the potential and just slacks off / trains wrong.
one thing they ALL have in common is underdeveloped lats. probably fell for the "deadlifts build lats" meme.
Not totally true ppl tell me i have big shoulders. Not more cope more dope cannonballs but nice round shoulders. Its possible idk if its training or genetics tho
I dont post pics of myself here im workign and afraid someone mentally ill enough will find me and get me fired but i do a PPLPP routine i straight up skip leg day 2 so i have 2 days off i could start listing the excercises if you want its pretty straight forward its about 2 to 3 sets per muscle at 10 to 12 reps legit nothing special
Look theyre not perfect but theyre all fine bodies to have normal ppl would be more or less impressed with them comparing it to what an average person looks like now adays. I agree none of them are perfect but theyre all fine. But i do get what youre trying to say youre not toally wrong my point is just like ppl on here really think if you dont look like a blasted out roelly winklaar you look like shit and thats not the case at all you get where im coming from
i can literally go to my regular gym and see the same people whose been working out for 6 years every week, and they have not gained an ounce of muscle or lost an ounce of fat
they only got uglier and older
natty lifting is peak moronation but its also cowardice. because most people are too scared to buy roids, so instead they go in denial and start hating on roids out of jealousy
To a degree i think youre right and i hate nattys who shit on roiders and vice versa but i do see how some ppl just wanna be fit and dont wanna take the added health risk. I think most of it is ppl dont know where to get the shit theyre afraid its not legit and a lot of ppl just dont know how to properly cycle. But again dont discount ppl who just dont want that roider look. Its a good look tbh but i can see it not being for everyone
The typical roider look isnt attainable unless you spam Gh and insulin
The tren+test+anavar roider look is someone like jon skywalker, connor murphy, carlton loth
And if you dont want to look like those guys, then something is wrong with you. Then the problem is you
Some ppl look great roided up some dont it is what it is but to each their own. I just want ppl to feel good lifting natty or not (lol) because ill be fricking damned if i let the demoralizing homosexuals win
but saying natty lifting yields any gains whatsoever is a lie. it doesnt do shit, none whatsoever
its better to know the truth.
Facts dont care about your feelings. we can keep telling natties that natty lifting is the shit and eventually it pays off, but it never does. theres never any tangible permanent progress and everyone knows it
i was a natty lifter for 7 years and once i started roiding it became so obnoxiously apparent that those 7 years was entirely fricking wasted time
If thats how it went down for you im glad you found a path to making it work for you so keep it up for sure. But ive been lifting natty for at least 2 years with real focus and ive put muscle on ppl even comment about it but its not like i put 7lbs on or anything but i get your point some ppl legit cant grow natty and the ones who can (they exist) its a slow process and they prob wont get over 200lbs ever depending on height so theres truth to what your saying for sure.
6 months ago
Anonymous
just because some gym bro thought you had a nice pump doesnt mean you have gains
and 7lbs in 2 years, ok so half of that is fat, 1 lbs is water, so 2lbs of muscle in 2 years and we know how natty gains slow down TREMENDOUSLY
so now you're looking at gaining 1 more lbs of muscle during the remaining course of your lifetime as a natty lifter. THATS siccck
6 months ago
Anonymous
Yea thats fine for me i love how i look and no i didnt say i gained 7lbs in 2 years tbh my weights been about the same but ive put an inch and a half on my arms and 2 inches on my legs and it shows all while getting more defined. Look man you do you but dont put your body dysmorphia on me my homie lmao
6 months ago
Anonymous
oh i have body dismorphia alright, im not settling for mediocrity. we are going hard son
6 months ago
Anonymous
Fricking based my man like i said keep it up you prob look sick! Great fricking attitude fr.
Natty lifting is literally the only lifting you should be doing if you actually want to move up in society. Roid look is very gauche in certain circles. To me, it speaks to someone’s vanity and ultimately says a lot about their insecurities. I also lift because of insecurities and vanity but I don’t think it’s a good look to take it to such an extreme. Roiders are stereotypically low-class and poor. I have a white collar job and lift and feel too big when I’m in the office at 5’10” 184lbs with abs. Going to lose 10 lbs and get back into running.
>o me, it speaks to someone’s vanity and ultimately says a lot about their insecurities. I also lift because of insecurities and vanity but I don’t think it’s a good look to take it to such an extreme. Roiders are stereotypically low-class and poor. I have a white collar job and lift and feel too big when I’m in the office at 5’10” 184lbs with abs
people who think and say this kind of nonsense are exactly the type of people that should stick to natty lifting. Because they dont want gains, and they wont get any gains with natty lifting
You actually want to become less muscular, so why would your opinion on lifting matter whatsoever
Typical natty tard. just stop lifting you moronic mongrel
Same dude. I did weighted pull-ups with +45 lbs for 6 sets x 5 reps today. Natty gains are fine. Only been working out a couple of years and I’m older. I understand being a pussy and not wanting to put the work in and cheating, and honestly I’d love to cheat to get the physique I ultimately want but I’m unwilling to frick with my hormones. I can’t imagine not wanting to frick everything cute I come across. Sounds terribruh.
Well I pretty much disagree with everything you are saying but it doesn’t matter. I work out and run 40 miles a week because I feel a sense of emptiness inside me that I can’t really articulate. I think various things will make me happy and they do for a short while but then I’m back to realizing that I could be doing so much more. So exercising myself into the ground helps with that. In another 3 years my anxiety will have turned my physique into something incredible.
This is 100% false and a ridiculous thing to say. Most natty gains from baseline are permanent.until you get really old. After weeks or months of not training yes obviously it will fall back a bit.
It's in fact the exact opposite - the roider will not only return to his initial, he will be smaller than he has ever been, because he will have permanently destroyed his own testosterone production.
Is it that you hear this so many times about roiding you are trying to pull some sort of "uno reverso" on it? Doesn't work like that champ, but keep copeing if it makes you feel better that you ruined your body forever.
these dipshits dont know what theyre talking about
half of them dont even lift and the other half lift for health lmao
talking to these tards about gaining muscle is like talking to a toddler about rocket science. pointless
6 months ago
Anonymous
Everything I said is completely true. Stop coping and face facts.
these dipshits dont know what theyre talking about
half of them dont even lift and the other half lift for health lmao
talking to these tards about gaining muscle is like talking to a toddler about rocket science. pointless
You're the moron saying 5 inches larger biceps and the ability to lift 500lbs is due to an increase of water in the muscle and will disappear within a week of not lifting.
6 months ago
Anonymous
hahahah show me the natty who grew his biceps 5 inches, ill wait
6 months ago
Anonymous
It's common for skinny people starting, the first 2-3 inches grow pretty fast, then it's years of training and you get there.
Do we really have to pull out the pre-roid guys again, are you actually that delusional?
6 months ago
Anonymous
im not gonna show because i will never post a picture of myself simple as. but i have 17 inch arms and i started out as 53kg in the gym. now i will admit i didnt measure my arms then but for a 53kg twink i wouldn't imagine they were bigger than 12 inches.
I have trained for 13 years and I have gained around +20kg lean muscle mass.
>o me, it speaks to someone’s vanity and ultimately says a lot about their insecurities. I also lift because of insecurities and vanity but I don’t think it’s a good look to take it to such an extreme. Roiders are stereotypically low-class and poor. I have a white collar job and lift and feel too big when I’m in the office at 5’10” 184lbs with abs
people who think and say this kind of nonsense are exactly the type of people that should stick to natty lifting. Because they dont want gains, and they wont get any gains with natty lifting
You actually want to become less muscular, so why would your opinion on lifting matter whatsoever
Typical natty tard. just stop lifting you moronic mongrel
everyone knows that. and only a homosexual beta would conform his life after what his beta ass skinny boss thinks is appropriate. but then again most of you are betas at heart and would shit yourself at the thought of buying illegal steroids
Bro I used to slam meth every day, I assure you buying steroids from some fricking idiot isn’t the issue. All I’m saying is that some people see that you have a weak character and unremarkable constitution. Keep talking about betas and all that other dumb shit. You have nothing that I want.
cardio heavy exercise is just more of an upper class thing in general, execs will love to talk about how they're training for a marathon or their expensive bike, and of course there's outdoorsy activities like kayaking, rock climbing, hiking etc on top of that
pure weights for the purpose of getting big and strong is very much a working class workout
Roids are pointless unless you're trying to compete, recover from an injury or you're obese. Otherwise just lift for a year and maintain. Too much exercise ages you anyways and test will age you further as well as the weak steroids like Navarro which is a synthetic DHT. We don't need DHT past puberty and all it causes aging.
Get to 225 bench for 10 reps, weighted chinups with 3pl8, muscle up and calisthenics shit and you'll be good for life. Face matters more anyways
All roidtrannies or soon to be roidtrannies in the thread, watch this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sFSEj8-8wM
This is someone who actually attracts women, look at what women simp for on social media, what they write wattpads stories fantasizing about, they are not roidtrannies. You are appealing to men, the saddest irony is that almost every roidtroony pins because they think it'll make them attractive to women when it doesn't, at least if you're natty you'll have the pride and clear conscience that you worked at something, and the mental benefits and confidence that comes with that. You'll be able to maintain a lean physique instead of deflating like a balloon, roidtrannies will only become more mentally ill and less attractive to women as they keep pinning to maintain their muscle and possibly even pin just to maintain a physique a natural could achieve because they nuked their hormones. And yes, you will ruin your hormones, a roidtroony who insists that you aren't ruining your hormones is like a troony who insists that their exogenous hormones are completely healthy.
No. Stop being a brain dead, terminally online homosexual that thinks it’s a waste if you don’t immediately look like the roided up body builder that you obsess over. Make lifting and exercise your lifestyle and you will peak within a decade, but the long term benefits are not being a fat frick that lives a miserable existence when you get older
>Just look at his legs, they're basically untrained
i squat 175 anon, and no shit im small, did you miss the part wher i said i was at my leanest? i walk around 91-92 most days
Depends what you mean by lifting, if youre lifting for health then no. If youre trying to body build natty it's literally a waste of time unless you go the super lean shredded route.
No. Those are just pictures of what an average guy with an average frame and average muscle building genetics looks like. You get most of your gains during the first few years and then. Most people will get that or only slightly better than that and it's perfectly fine. What's the point of roiding if you're just lifting for looks and health? The roids are not going to fix your frame or your genetics and, unless you're an athlete or bodybuilder, you're not competing for anything so you don't need a competitive advantage. Even if you wanted to be a body builder, unless you have the genes that let you put on 50 lbs of muscle just from looking at weights and having the ideal genes for androgen receptors, you'll lose every contest. You consider all the people at the gym who go on a cycle and look the same in spite of that cycle because they either didn't take enough, they didn't have the genes for maximal response to roids, or both.The roids would be a waste of money at that point and it would be better to just focus on making sure your exercise is sufficient to ensure you maximize naturally attainable muscle mass and maintaining it for the maximum fitness benefits, eating healthy, and not worry about comparing yourself to other people.
I get the feeling that forums in general greatly underestimate 2 things (which also interact with each other)
- 1) the ability to understand correctly what you need to do to succeed in lifting (you can think for months or even years that you're training well, that your form is good, all of this with information gathered beforehand, when in fact you're not)
- 2) the influence of genetics (which, if it's good, can help you make progress even if point 1) isn't perfect)
I think that as long as forums continue to promote the idea that "lifting's easy" (so point 1) isn't really a point) and that "yes, genetics count, but the differences aren't that large" (so point 2) isn't really a point either), we won't understand the disparities in results we see from anons posting theirs.
To me, when someone posts their progress on the Internet, it's already a sign that they're more invested than the average yokel who pays for a monthly gym pass and doesn't go to the gym, and who doesn't get any information at all. Why assume that people who don't achieve incredible results are necessarily ALL to blame? Do you also presuppose that all those who have great results are doing everything right?
I've seen guys with more impressive physiques at 1-2 years of lifting, granted all of them went from obese to skinny, did they already have the muscles?
Yes, a roider could take a pic right after waking up and still look big
What is the point of frauding pictures if you don't look like that on a daily basis
hmm. so are the choices to either lift natty and be healthy and vibrant well into your 70s or to do steroids, get swole, and wait for your heart to collapse when you're 50.....tough call
yeah. order all the sarms and tren that you can online and blast it all, otherwise you will literally never get pussy
im a 25yo khhv that lives in a third world country, i havent gotten any pussy by now
roids are my only hope
3rd world roids are just sneed oils and bull cum
then why is everyone at my gym big and veiny with 3k total test
Third world is easy. Move to asia
Why does the 1 year look best
genetics, roids allow you to break thru the genetic matrix
How far someone with godly genetics go if they decide to use roids?a
this is natural ramon dino, now hes #2 classic olympia only behind cbum
He was running 500mg test in this pic
proof?
very far
Clearly natty in the left pic btw
if he is natty in that pic, then why does it say gear on his shorts?
checkmate, you libtard
Nobody who is as good as you want to be to be good enough is natty.
It isn't true, but it is correct. Fall in line. Take the injections. Do not rebel. Give up. Give in.
Ronnie coleman would be a good example. Apparently he didnt juice until like 1998 and if you look at him before then he was a phenom. If thats to be believed but his mommas built too so i think hes the best example of that.
Literally every Mr Olympia since Arnold.
>mfw people finally admit my progress is good for only 11 months of lifting
About time.
no mate. left is just right but with a pump
you have no progress, nada
but im glad to inform you that you do have a solid foundation and that you should start actually lifting(roiding). you got the potential and thats the most important part
You are a stupid fricking dyel Black person if you're not trolling. Wh
umad tardo? youre so fricking low iq that you cant see right pic is in a gym locker room with post workout pump you FRICKING moron LOW IQ DUMMY
THERES IS NO DIFFERENCE EXCEPT FOR THE PUMP YOU LOW IQ moron. ARE YOU WHITE?
Yeah some people call me white and some people call me gay and yet others call me moronic. Up to you to decide.
Yea you look great dude keep it up!
you just hit ur natty limit way sooner than those morons who lifted for 5 years, now to get out of that youll need to hop on the swazoole
You look like shit bro, but nice birthing hips.
You lift to look good and be healthy.
Do you think you will be increasing your mass forever?
what if i dont care about health and only lift to look better and get more pussy?
yeah what about it?
is it fine to roid?
I don't understand the question
if i dont care about my health at all and im in close to killing myself, is it ok to roid?
I don't know why you are asking me this. I don't know what it means if its "ok or not"
Yes.
Don't use gear if you're not mentally in a good place and prepared for it. You're not going to make the gains and you won't be able to handle your hormones.
you know whats funny
most people dont even grow on a shitload of tren and roids, yet these mongoloids think natty lifting will grow them LMAO
if people knew the amount of roiders blasting tren who barely grow at all, and then these natty lifters have the audacity to claim that natty lifting does frickall
im gonna repeat this one more time for everyone here: natty lifting will grow you muscles exactly 0%
the people in that pic all have a pump
wait till you see them without a pump
natty lifting is moronic and dumb
This is what women think of when they think "muscular guy". Roids are what men think of when they think "muscular guy". It's like how dudes all wish their dicks were 8.5 inches whereas most women think a 6 incher is big
5 years (with lockdowns in the middle)
now post a pic without a pump
I took that pic yesterday morning
I go to the gym by the end of the afternoon
Hnnnnnng!
??
Good job bro keep it up!
Embarassing 5 years and with a pump nonetheless lol
Looking great, anon. Keep going
Ohnonono
>sarms
holy biblical nipples, batman!
Show the pictures of them 50 years later. Now show the pictures of the roidtrannies.
>the roider who got prime pussy in his 20s and 30s wont make it to 80, instead he will die at 70
how is that bad? im natty but i genuinely dont see the point in living for so long and being a decrepit frick
My outlook has never been about absolute life span but more quality. The guy on gear has a pretty quality life while he is young and on gear. You are more attractive and stronger. Then one day you stop doing roids. What does your quality of life look like until you die?
mike o hearn has been doing roids for 55 years and look great, trt will actually help your body at that age
>mike o hearn has been doing roids
Explain.
Interesting. I wonder what would happen if he was to stop the gear.
Hes natty
>What does your quality of life look like until you die?
What is trt? For $200 Alex!
Let me rephrase: what if you stop taking hormones entirely? Does your body recover? Are you just fricked until you die?
nta yeah. Arnie's okay, he can afford to drop a few thousand dollars a year on hrt, not to mention constant blood tests to ensure things are going normal. The money's one of the least of the problems of the roider, but a pretty substantial "tax" to voluntarily take ulp for the rest of your life.
hahahah
a years supple of trt costs like 200 bucks. its nothing
or you could just do a pct and be natty again
No, if you're not natty it completely defeats the purpose of lifting. It also means you have a low IQ.
im tired of being a DYEL
Change of diet can help with that. But if you do roids you're gonna regret it once you get cancer.
what is wrong with my diet?
it consists most of chicken, rice, eggs, milk
im bulking now and im a poorgay so sometimes ill eat some bread or drink chocolate milk but thats it
The only thing wrong is its boring idk have pasta once and a while or enjoy a good meatloaf. Both are cheap and good. Fr diet is fine but even as a poorgay you should learn some recipes and make tasty stuff so you dont go crazy eating chicken and rice ad nauseum
i do eat pasta sometimes but im a NEET poorgay that can only eat what my family buys so its hard to clean bulk all the time
Tbh are your parent supportive im sure especially as a neet if you just talk to them tell them you want to start dieting and working out im sure theyd be willing to buy you some stuff for just you. I mean again parents usually like seeing their kids go in a positive direction and if you just tell them im sure theyd help not like tell you to frick off. But either way keep it up and if youre ever done being a neet and have nothing really going for ya you can always find work as an electricians or plumbers apprentice if thats something you wanna do.
theres no purpose to natty lifting. because natty lifting does nothing
natty lifting is the equivalent to staring at a wall for 5 hours every day. it amounts to nothing
only roiders should be lifting
You're moronic due to either being really bad at trolling or actually believing the bullshit you just typed
natty lifting amounts to nothing. its physically impossible for a body in its natural state to hypertrophy. theres about 300 mechanism in the body that actively prevents muscles from growing.
you might grow like 5% bigger as a natty over the course of 10 years. which would amount to like 1-2kg of actual muscle mass
its entirely pointless to lift natty and everyone with a working brain knows it
Good lord are you stupid. You can find photos of manual laborers with great physiques from time periods and places that assuredly point to no access or even knowledge about steroids. You're the type of moron that distorts the minds of gullible liftlets on this board
you know nothing, absolutely nothing. you are the gatekeeping type of moron that convinces people that natty lifting will amount to anything worthwhile
but it wont. its LITERALLY impossible for the muscles to grow without steroids. but then again you dont even lift so what would you know about it anyways, tard
Post your body holy shit lmao
Everyone that actually wants to have real discussions in this thread stop replying to this moron lmfao
theres no discussion only facts
einstein said it best about natty lifting
You are insane. Your statements are backed by nothing but your crazy. Wtf went wrong with you?
you are mediocrity incarnate. be ashamed
Have fun getting cancer, I guess.
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>Is natty lifting a waste of tim-
>Greg
>Natty
he is natty though, peep his blood tests
blood tests are a joke, just like mike o hearn blood tests
if youve done roids for long enough you can just hop off, take a blood test and hop back on it again
>DONT HURT ME
>NO MORE
best natty physique in history
>content creator
>lives off of selling his program and having a good body
those shoulders and traps are sus for a natty lifter
Guess you shoulda lifted harder kiddo
cope
Holy shit! Shaggy is ripped!
He's not natty, lmfao.
Using test is alpha but most here are beta. Betas are high inhibition and overthinkers.
IST posters are mostly obese chuds
The lifters here all eat french fries every day
I make pizza from scratch for me and my gf weekly just normal pizza not liek some diet pizza and at 220 cals a slice we do pizza night once a week.
Do I really have to lift for 5+ years just to look DECENT?
Frick it, I'm pinning TEST and TREN ASAP
Lol, touch grass Black person
IST isn't real life
Time is running out, I will be 30 in 4 years. I need to get jacked before I turn into a 30 year old boomer
yes you do, stop listening to IST's natty moronic advice
by the time you are 30 as a man ur life is literally over and you missed on all the prime pussy you could have gotten by roiding
look at all these dumb zoomers bagging every qt girl at the gym by taking SARMs which is the most moronic form of steroid you can take
you have infinite knowledge to pin nowadays but people refuse to and wanna be small forever
picrel is me before and after roids
What cycle is Logan Paul on bros? I wanna look like this, not like a veiny penis like
you can meme all you want but zoometes and girls nowadays love the roided veiny look
nice gyno
Just start a good routine and diet and youll look great in 4 years. No real need to get saucy unless you want that look. Its a good look but you can still look great natty in 4 years
if you are a manlet you might look like you lift after 5 years
if youre 6ft or above then thats way more years needed
my goal is to improve myself
Imagine lifting for woman lmao
Who do you lift for? Men on Grindr?
women on Grindr
subconsciously you know you do have a bit of lifting for girls inside ur head
I'm 6'3" and quite handsome, I don't need to pump chinese bathtub chemicals up my ass to get laid, I can just lift as a hobby. Alternatively, just have a personality.
I’m in a similar situation. Decided to do two cycles to shave a year or so off. Got to my goal body 3 years ago and I’ve kept it with minimal effort. If you’re really paranoid about Chinese bathtubs, you can get it from any of the online clinics.
What did you run?
did you just stop cold turkey or is on trt?
Stopped cold turkey, but I’m 34 now. I’m probably going to hop on TRT soon.
Ran 500mg of test and AI as needed. You don’t really need anything else for your first few cycles. I have a heart arrhythmia, so I really don’t want to push the sauce too much.
im 26 next year and im thinking of doing a 16 week 500mg cycle but ive been only lifting for 1 year
im also 5'6 (from a midget country)
Legit this. So many ppl here make up crazy shit in their head and assume shit about girls theyve never spoken too, base their whole view of shit they see online and horror storys. I promise you bros if you even have like 2% confidence and youre not a totally maladjusted freak you will meet girls who like you its dead easy.
>. I promise you bros if you even have like 2% confidence and youre not a totally maladjusted freak you will meet girls who like you its dead easy.
okay suppose im a regular human, where do i meet these women?
Idk theyre all over really, public, the gym, grocery store, Starbucks, the beach, city parks, colleges, probably some at your work, bars, clubs, various hobby groups, comic book stores, shopping areas downtown, concerts, i mean theyre literally half the population so theyre like everywhere. I met my gf while i was working my best friend met his gf at school my gfs brother met his gf at work my sister met my brother in law at a concert. Legit theyre all over the place.
outside
I bet your personality sucks and I will personally pump chinese american semen into your ass
I don't do steroids either btw
no
jesus christ the delusion on this board is fricking outrageous
dreadful to say the least, im natty as frick and looked really good after 3 years of hard lifting, after that its a walk in the park comparatively to maintain
You probably had a solid base to begin with though
i was 72 kilos at 6'2 homie, never touched a weight pure vidya addicted dweeb
post body
me at my leanest in recent history 84kg~
Ronaldo if he didn't starve himself. mirin.
thanks
you sound mad, i dont even take creatine champ
youre on the juice homosexual those cannonball shoulders and traps say for themselves, especially at ur height
You look good man keep it up!
How long had you been lifting in this photo? You have a sick physique and this is what all the gullible dipshits need to understand is a great goal to have naturally instead of the physiques the moronic fake natty roiders have on social media. I've been lifting naturally for 6 years and look like fricking shit compared to roiders or people that have more time and energy to put into lifting and diet. If anyone on this board actually lifted consistently for years they'd question 75% less of the insane physiques they currently think are natural. Your body should be peak goals for so many natural lifters
if that guy is truly natty then he has good genetics which isnt achievable just with "hard" work
You never know your genetic potential unless you try so lets get with it!
Why would that be unnatural? He doesnt have that dry ballsack skin roidtrannies have. He's not diced to the gills and looks soft. There's no question to me that that's natural and attainable with either hard dedication over a few years or a somewhat consistent but more relaxed effort over a long number of years. You can literally just tell from the dudes attitude in his posts in this thread that he's not a roidtroony. That body is 100% a sick natty physique
>Why would that be unnatural
he has cannonball shoulders which is a sign of roids but he probably did low doses
Those aren't cannonball shoulders. Like most people he's most likely photographing himself with a pump and that angle he put his torso at is going to accentuate the size of his right shoulder. Guarantee if that dude posts a more square shot to the camera without a pump he looks immensely different
thanks for the words of praise, about 4 years in total in that pic, and for sure the amount of fake natties talking shit really has distorted the perception of what is and isnt possible as a natural, and I think in the process many casual lifters developed this neuroticism regarding how their body looks which just makes the whole situation worse
stay mad stay small
bruh
Roiding for this lmao kys
>that tiny wrist
oh no no no no AHAHAHAH
>homie posting only one pic for half a year
And that's why natty lifting is a joke, perfect gym lightning with a pump to still look DYEL
Arms and legs kinda lacking, but overall a solid 5-6/10
why are we delusional?
It's pretty clear the majority of the board doesn't lift, and eats like shit. Pathetic.
the image is accurate though, thats basically natty limit for 99% of men even with perfect diet and training
Dude half these threads are like troony demoralization threads and the other are like incel loser shit. Only good threads are like shit like this and the ones where people argue for 3 days on weather or not deadlifts are good.
this IS a demoralization thread
Not anymore keep up the good work
All those ppl look good tbh you homies have crazy ass body dysmorphia for real.
they look okay but in no way is looking like that worth regular weight training, except for the 1 year guy. the 1 year guy is the only one who has gotten a proportional reward for the work put in.
that said, the 7 year guy clearly has not been isolating arms or delts, seems to hyperfocus on his chest while neglecting everything else. I think he got what he worked for, a big chest.
the 5 year guy is too fat to judge. he may actually look good under all that, but not as big as one would hope after 5 years.
the 14 years guy has fricked up posture and bone structure. I actually recognize some of my own problems like wide hips asymmetrical torso. even taking that into account he looks barely better than I do and I've been half-assing it with no gym for 1.5 years. my chest is already better than his. another case where I simply don't believe he's put in the work he says he did, just like the 7 year guy. except he has a genetic disadvantage whereas 7 year guy really has zero excuses, he's got the potential and just slacks off / trains wrong.
one thing they ALL have in common is underdeveloped lats. probably fell for the "deadlifts build lats" meme.
its impossible to have big shoulders and traps as a natty even if you isolate them
Not totally true ppl tell me i have big shoulders. Not more cope more dope cannonballs but nice round shoulders. Its possible idk if its training or genetics tho
post shoulders and routine
I dont post pics of myself here im workign and afraid someone mentally ill enough will find me and get me fired but i do a PPLPP routine i straight up skip leg day 2 so i have 2 days off i could start listing the excercises if you want its pretty straight forward its about 2 to 3 sets per muscle at 10 to 12 reps legit nothing special
Look theyre not perfect but theyre all fine bodies to have normal ppl would be more or less impressed with them comparing it to what an average person looks like now adays. I agree none of them are perfect but theyre all fine. But i do get what youre trying to say youre not toally wrong my point is just like ppl on here really think if you dont look like a blasted out roelly winklaar you look like shit and thats not the case at all you get where im coming from
you type like a fricking redditor/girl, go frick urself
True and you cant do anything about it cuck
no they all look like garbage and they even have pumps on
which means without a pump they look atleast 3 times worse lmao
Get some help brother im prayinf for you ong
Depends, are you lifting for
>A) Overall health, strength, mobility, literal "fitness"
Yes
>B) Pure vanity because you have severe body image issues that can only be (partially) resolved by attaining a severely exaggerated physique
No
i can literally go to my regular gym and see the same people whose been working out for 6 years every week, and they have not gained an ounce of muscle or lost an ounce of fat
they only got uglier and older
natty lifting is peak moronation but its also cowardice. because most people are too scared to buy roids, so instead they go in denial and start hating on roids out of jealousy
To a degree i think youre right and i hate nattys who shit on roiders and vice versa but i do see how some ppl just wanna be fit and dont wanna take the added health risk. I think most of it is ppl dont know where to get the shit theyre afraid its not legit and a lot of ppl just dont know how to properly cycle. But again dont discount ppl who just dont want that roider look. Its a good look tbh but i can see it not being for everyone
The typical roider look isnt attainable unless you spam Gh and insulin
The tren+test+anavar roider look is someone like jon skywalker, connor murphy, carlton loth
And if you dont want to look like those guys, then something is wrong with you. Then the problem is you
Some ppl look great roided up some dont it is what it is but to each their own. I just want ppl to feel good lifting natty or not (lol) because ill be fricking damned if i let the demoralizing homosexuals win
you can feel however you want
but saying natty lifting yields any gains whatsoever is a lie. it doesnt do shit, none whatsoever
its better to know the truth.
Facts dont care about your feelings. we can keep telling natties that natty lifting is the shit and eventually it pays off, but it never does. theres never any tangible permanent progress and everyone knows it
i was a natty lifter for 7 years and once i started roiding it became so obnoxiously apparent that those 7 years was entirely fricking wasted time
If thats how it went down for you im glad you found a path to making it work for you so keep it up for sure. But ive been lifting natty for at least 2 years with real focus and ive put muscle on ppl even comment about it but its not like i put 7lbs on or anything but i get your point some ppl legit cant grow natty and the ones who can (they exist) its a slow process and they prob wont get over 200lbs ever depending on height so theres truth to what your saying for sure.
just because some gym bro thought you had a nice pump doesnt mean you have gains
and 7lbs in 2 years, ok so half of that is fat, 1 lbs is water, so 2lbs of muscle in 2 years and we know how natty gains slow down TREMENDOUSLY
so now you're looking at gaining 1 more lbs of muscle during the remaining course of your lifetime as a natty lifter. THATS siccck
Yea thats fine for me i love how i look and no i didnt say i gained 7lbs in 2 years tbh my weights been about the same but ive put an inch and a half on my arms and 2 inches on my legs and it shows all while getting more defined. Look man you do you but dont put your body dysmorphia on me my homie lmao
oh i have body dismorphia alright, im not settling for mediocrity. we are going hard son
Fricking based my man like i said keep it up you prob look sick! Great fricking attitude fr.
i look like an olympian and thats pre roids
Good stuff man! Keep it up
None of those people trained with any seriousness.
they all look great. you should see a therapist
Natty lifting is literally the only lifting you should be doing if you actually want to move up in society. Roid look is very gauche in certain circles. To me, it speaks to someone’s vanity and ultimately says a lot about their insecurities. I also lift because of insecurities and vanity but I don’t think it’s a good look to take it to such an extreme. Roiders are stereotypically low-class and poor. I have a white collar job and lift and feel too big when I’m in the office at 5’10” 184lbs with abs. Going to lose 10 lbs and get back into running.
The cope holy dhit Delusional
Same dude. I did weighted pull-ups with +45 lbs for 6 sets x 5 reps today. Natty gains are fine. Only been working out a couple of years and I’m older. I understand being a pussy and not wanting to put the work in and cheating, and honestly I’d love to cheat to get the physique I ultimately want but I’m unwilling to frick with my hormones. I can’t imagine not wanting to frick everything cute I come across. Sounds terribruh.
i appreciate your optimism. but theres no such things as natty gains
the only "gains" a natty has is a temporary increase in blood volume, glycogen storage, lactic acid and water in the muscle
if a natty lifter stops lifting for a week he returns visually to the exact baseline he was however many years ago before he started lifting
Well I pretty much disagree with everything you are saying but it doesn’t matter. I work out and run 40 miles a week because I feel a sense of emptiness inside me that I can’t really articulate. I think various things will make me happy and they do for a short while but then I’m back to realizing that I could be doing so much more. So exercising myself into the ground helps with that. In another 3 years my anxiety will have turned my physique into something incredible.
yes thanks for agreeing with me. people that dont care about gains SHOULD continue to lift natty, since it yields no gains
but those of us that want actual gains, we roid
This is 100% false and a ridiculous thing to say. Most natty gains from baseline are permanent.until you get really old. After weeks or months of not training yes obviously it will fall back a bit.
It's in fact the exact opposite - the roider will not only return to his initial, he will be smaller than he has ever been, because he will have permanently destroyed his own testosterone production.
Is it that you hear this so many times about roiding you are trying to pull some sort of "uno reverso" on it? Doesn't work like that champ, but keep copeing if it makes you feel better that you ruined your body forever.
everything you just said is wishy washy ego protection nonsense
what i said is 100% fact
>the only "gains" a natty has is a temporary increase in blood volume, glycogen storage, lactic acid and water in the muscle
None of what you said is true
these dipshits dont know what theyre talking about
half of them dont even lift and the other half lift for health lmao
talking to these tards about gaining muscle is like talking to a toddler about rocket science. pointless
Everything I said is completely true. Stop coping and face facts.
You're the moron saying 5 inches larger biceps and the ability to lift 500lbs is due to an increase of water in the muscle and will disappear within a week of not lifting.
hahahah show me the natty who grew his biceps 5 inches, ill wait
It's common for skinny people starting, the first 2-3 inches grow pretty fast, then it's years of training and you get there.
Do we really have to pull out the pre-roid guys again, are you actually that delusional?
im not gonna show because i will never post a picture of myself simple as. but i have 17 inch arms and i started out as 53kg in the gym. now i will admit i didnt measure my arms then but for a 53kg twink i wouldn't imagine they were bigger than 12 inches.
I have trained for 13 years and I have gained around +20kg lean muscle mass.
>o me, it speaks to someone’s vanity and ultimately says a lot about their insecurities. I also lift because of insecurities and vanity but I don’t think it’s a good look to take it to such an extreme. Roiders are stereotypically low-class and poor. I have a white collar job and lift and feel too big when I’m in the office at 5’10” 184lbs with abs
people who think and say this kind of nonsense are exactly the type of people that should stick to natty lifting. Because they dont want gains, and they wont get any gains with natty lifting
You actually want to become less muscular, so why would your opinion on lifting matter whatsoever
Typical natty tard. just stop lifting you moronic mongrel
Ppl gonna shit on you but little known fact in white collar offices skinny homies get the promotion top execs are usually runners.
everyone knows that. and only a homosexual beta would conform his life after what his beta ass skinny boss thinks is appropriate. but then again most of you are betas at heart and would shit yourself at the thought of buying illegal steroids
Oh i agree its beta cuck shit im fricking tradesman so its not my type of thing im just saying thats really what office ppl think.
Bro I used to slam meth every day, I assure you buying steroids from some fricking idiot isn’t the issue. All I’m saying is that some people see that you have a weak character and unremarkable constitution. Keep talking about betas and all that other dumb shit. You have nothing that I want.
Calcium channel blockers, look it up
cardio heavy exercise is just more of an upper class thing in general, execs will love to talk about how they're training for a marathon or their expensive bike, and of course there's outdoorsy activities like kayaking, rock climbing, hiking etc on top of that
pure weights for the purpose of getting big and strong is very much a working class workout
if he did it natty then so can you and me, anon
Roids are pointless unless you're trying to compete, recover from an injury or you're obese. Otherwise just lift for a year and maintain. Too much exercise ages you anyways and test will age you further as well as the weak steroids like Navarro which is a synthetic DHT. We don't need DHT past puberty and all it causes aging.
Get to 225 bench for 10 reps, weighted chinups with 3pl8, muscle up and calisthenics shit and you'll be good for life. Face matters more anyways
nice suckable breasts on the 7 years guy
i see EU woke up
lol he put mark in the picture also here (you) go op
I'm on drugs right now, I won't say which ones, but I am.
dont post a midget as proof of anything
All roidtrannies or soon to be roidtrannies in the thread, watch this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sFSEj8-8wM
This is someone who actually attracts women, look at what women simp for on social media, what they write wattpads stories fantasizing about, they are not roidtrannies. You are appealing to men, the saddest irony is that almost every roidtroony pins because they think it'll make them attractive to women when it doesn't, at least if you're natty you'll have the pride and clear conscience that you worked at something, and the mental benefits and confidence that comes with that. You'll be able to maintain a lean physique instead of deflating like a balloon, roidtrannies will only become more mentally ill and less attractive to women as they keep pinning to maintain their muscle and possibly even pin just to maintain a physique a natural could achieve because they nuked their hormones. And yes, you will ruin your hormones, a roidtroony who insists that you aren't ruining your hormones is like a troony who insists that their exogenous hormones are completely healthy.
Women do like guys on roids but they're usually trashy tattooed coalburner types
No. Stop being a brain dead, terminally online homosexual that thinks it’s a waste if you don’t immediately look like the roided up body builder that you obsess over. Make lifting and exercise your lifestyle and you will peak within a decade, but the long term benefits are not being a fat frick that lives a miserable existence when you get older
Form over function.
Teach me how to lift with this philosophy.
>Just look at his legs, they're basically untrained
i squat 175 anon, and no shit im small, did you miss the part wher i said i was at my leanest? i walk around 91-92 most days
>trains legs
>looks like he doesn't squat
Tough luck buddy, you're still smol.
my quads already dont fit into most jeans at my waist size i dont want them any bigger lmao
7 inches cope more
>has small legs
>"a-actually I don't w-want them any bigger"
spin it however you want, ive got my list of insecurities but my body is not close to one of them
>posts his most carefully prepared and selected pic
>snaps at every bit of critique
>"nuh uh and I'm n-not insecure btw"
>7 inches
sure bro just like this mutt has 18.5 inch arms kek
Depends what you mean by lifting, if youre lifting for health then no. If youre trying to body build natty it's literally a waste of time unless you go the super lean shredded route.
No. Those are just pictures of what an average guy with an average frame and average muscle building genetics looks like. You get most of your gains during the first few years and then. Most people will get that or only slightly better than that and it's perfectly fine. What's the point of roiding if you're just lifting for looks and health? The roids are not going to fix your frame or your genetics and, unless you're an athlete or bodybuilder, you're not competing for anything so you don't need a competitive advantage. Even if you wanted to be a body builder, unless you have the genes that let you put on 50 lbs of muscle just from looking at weights and having the ideal genes for androgen receptors, you'll lose every contest. You consider all the people at the gym who go on a cycle and look the same in spite of that cycle because they either didn't take enough, they didn't have the genes for maximal response to roids, or both.The roids would be a waste of money at that point and it would be better to just focus on making sure your exercise is sufficient to ensure you maximize naturally attainable muscle mass and maintaining it for the maximum fitness benefits, eating healthy, and not worry about comparing yourself to other people.
I get the feeling that forums in general greatly underestimate 2 things (which also interact with each other)
- 1) the ability to understand correctly what you need to do to succeed in lifting (you can think for months or even years that you're training well, that your form is good, all of this with information gathered beforehand, when in fact you're not)
- 2) the influence of genetics (which, if it's good, can help you make progress even if point 1) isn't perfect)
I think that as long as forums continue to promote the idea that "lifting's easy" (so point 1) isn't really a point) and that "yes, genetics count, but the differences aren't that large" (so point 2) isn't really a point either), we won't understand the disparities in results we see from anons posting theirs.
To me, when someone posts their progress on the Internet, it's already a sign that they're more invested than the average yokel who pays for a monthly gym pass and doesn't go to the gym, and who doesn't get any information at all. Why assume that people who don't achieve incredible results are necessarily ALL to blame? Do you also presuppose that all those who have great results are doing everything right?
It's not if you like lifting.
It's a waste of time if you want to look big and jacked.
I've seen guys with more impressive physiques at 1-2 years of lifting, granted all of them went from obese to skinny, did they already have the muscles?
>nooooo you can't take a pic with a pump and in good lighting!
lmao you guys, you want a pic right out of bed in a poorly lit bedroom?
Yes, a roider could take a pic right after waking up and still look big
What is the point of frauding pictures if you don't look like that on a daily basis
hmm. so are the choices to either lift natty and be healthy and vibrant well into your 70s or to do steroids, get swole, and wait for your heart to collapse when you're 50.....tough call
Imagine having joy in living to 70yo, you must be braindead