Self improvement is purely something you do for yourself.
Id you want yo impress people you become rich and wear expensive clothes, watches and drive fancy cars.
No, never, just don't overdo some things, keep it balanced, do things that make you feel good about yourself, I did things that sounded good but didn't make me feel good after so I turned to a vice to compensate.
No, self-improvement is great. We should always strive to be healthy and at our best mentally. However, obsessing over your appearance and fitness and taking cheap Chinese supplements and steroids like Sam Hyde isn’t self-improvement.
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no it's not. it's simply about stopping eating high caloric food. stop eating carbs and do light exercise and you will get shredded in 4 to 8 if you are skinny fat right now
>just stop having fun
beer is so good and cheap, bros.
It is and people don't understand why. It's everything around working out that you have to do, not the physical activity itself.
no it's not. it's simply about stopping eating high caloric food. stop eating carbs and do light exercise and you will get shredded in 4 to 8 if you are skinny fat right now
There is truth to this.
I stopped eating carbs - almost all carbs - and dropped 25 pounds.
Now I'm kind of pissed off because I plateaued and can't drop any more till something changes - probably my level of activity.
Anyway, bye
Yeah but that's just normal life for him. Football training, having many friends, going to parties, socialising, having girlfiends etcetera are all just parts of his life that happened naturally over time. He didn't have to looksmaxx for a girlfriend or put effort into how to socialise or train like an nfl player just to get onto the team. He was born with the attributes necessary for success with those things and his life is playing our according to that predisposition. That's the point.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
that's a lie. I've met plenty of chads that were absolute dorks during high school.
Life is a giant dice roll and most people lose big. Every single thing that men do is biological programming to try gain pussy, even if they try to delude themselves about doing it for 'themselves'. So for 90% of men self improvement is a waste of time because they don't have a decent genetic base to work with.
This is just not true bud. You’ve clearly never met a real insane lad, like myself. I run ~6 miles a day for no reason other than my brain tells me to and the feeling after I’ve spent myself is better than sex more often than not. My brother runs and my old ass father still runs and his father before him ran and who taught that man to run? I assume his father. Running is literally engrained in my dna and is more pussy an outcome to my running? Probably, but I can assure you pussy or no pussy I would be running in the forest loving every moment feeling grateful for my amazing body with every step. That cliche “I feel bad for a man who never pushes his body to the physical limits because they never get to see the beauty in strength their body is capable of” is a truth and real men self improve, its in their dna
What is there to even say at this point anymore about this kind of stuff? For many of us we have been exposed to the red and black pills of reality for many years. Many of us even for decades. You would have to have your head in the sand at this point to not be aware of certain truths about the world that are so blatantly in your face 24/7. So women prefer the tall more slender but still fit chad over the gymaxxing manlet. What else is new? They do not care that the manlet could likely body the chad in 10/10 fights either. Its never been about protection. I just won't say any further. It is all pointless. This whole reality has to go and we need to ascend into the heavens at this point so we can have all of our desires and not have other people try to stop us from enjoying what we deserve. You will get everything you could ever want + more there.
It is very easy to get a body on the left. You are entirely wrong. With enough fasting and eating right as well as cardio that becomes achievable. Right has to do all of that in addition to heavy weight lifting, worrying about recovery a lot more, supplements. Alex Leonidas claims to be natural and I believe him. His path is way harder. Stop being a b***h.
I don't need nor want a body like his. I have been as slender as him in my life before. I prefer to have strength. I am a manlet myself anyways so this is why a lot of us shorter guy convince ourselves that its pointless either way so you may as well go for as much strength as possible because at least there seems to be more immediate benefits for yourself by gaining a bulkier body. People are more likely to respect a shorter man that is also wide rather than one who is trying to appeal to female sexual desire yet lacks perhaps their most wanted trait for a partner which is height. I never said guy on left doesn't put in any work. Its just not nearly as hard as you say.
If you are large or tall you should have gone for volleyball, handball or any sport that makes you taller, women prefer height over everything which is normal since they want tall genes for their sons (don't marry short women)
not until my vessel dies , no great ukraine/israel will happen because im one of the last seals to be broken.
but thus far no1 dares to touch me once i shapeshift so , good luck Black personjews!
for you all Christ is King , for me , he is my Superior.
Lift AND socialize. Socializing is a learnable skill that can be practiced and trained just like a muscle.
Even if people around you only talk about irrelevant shit, If you do some superficial research on the subjects they're evidently interested in, you'll probably know enough to get a conversarion going, they'll do most of the talking themselves and appreciate that you're such a good listener.
Face >>>> height > everything else
Without a good face, all those muscles are meaningless and will only make you look like some mob character in a Bollywood fight scene who gets beat up by the hero. If anything, men without a prettyboi face should stay away from the roided look. They should aim for the normie dad bod, so that it makes them look less intimidating to women.
And that's all the guy on the right will ever get. Gay compliments from fellow gymrats. Women don't like a gymrat body. They prefer a lean and athletic body, like the one in the left pic. Too much muscles scare them.
Firstly, musculature is not permanent. He could trim down a lot by simply not eating or cutting his caloric intake. Could very easily achieve the physique of the model from his current state. A lot easier for him than it is for you, likely sitting around on /misc/ k'vetching all day. Best part is, that's still true to the idea of self-improvement.
Secondly, just because women ignore you for smelling bad & eating cow shit doesn't mean everyone's gonna have it as bad as you, Rama Mandeep. You can stop projecting now that you've admitted to it kek
Black person, I'm literally twinkmaxxed, so I get attention from women of all ages and all colors. The only thing getting in my way is my crippling autism.
>replies with totally believable story about how he gets constant attention from poojeetas but is too autistic to reciprocate, despite being lucid enough to recognise the attention
I've only started nooticing it recently. All my life I used to think I'm an ugly moron. Turns out, it's the opposite (even before I started working out). In hindsight, I can recall a lot of instances of girls hitting on me during my school days that completely flew over my head.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You're Indian.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Self-improvement for the sake of it doesn't work for most people. They need a concrete reason to leave their comfort zone, otherwise they won't.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
That's why it's so great, anon.
Once you get to improve just for improvement's sake... you're a half God compared to the masses.
its like guys here were never in high school. I don't think I recall one brutish meat head getting pussy from anything but fat girls. you learn quickly to be thin and in shape and not be a meat head or you never do.
No, because top right is much more interesting than he would be as some flabby nerd, even if he will never be as hot as top left.
Also what do you think top left is doing, he is modelling, he is being some bro homosexual somewhere, while top right is hitting the gym and having a laugh with his pals and not giving a shit.
The biggest mistake you can make as a man is to believe that some great injustice has befallen you that people don't instantly like you, as they did before puberty hits. You are not a cute button, you are like a little annoying cheeky wolverine or possum scurrying around, going where he isn't wanted, tipping bins and no one can catch him or stop him.
That is what you are supposed to do, you are supposed to game the system, sneak into parties you weren't invited to, make fun of Chad for acting gangsta when he still lives with his mom in the 'burbs and making Stacy laugh then start hitting on Stacy right in front of him and all her fat friends who would never let you near her or give you the time of day. You are supposed to rebel and upend the social pecking order. You are supposed to be hated and viewed as a hostile threat, because you are. Not a threat as in someone malicious, but a threat to their stupid normy pecking order.
Women keep saying "have confidence", it makes me fricking sick, but there is an ounce of truth to it. They want you to frick with people like this, they see you and think "he's attractive", but then you slink away and signal to them you are a low status male. It disappoints them, because you are not playing into their sexual fantasies. It harks back to ooga booga caveman days when we were like chimpanzees throwing shit at each other, but it works, because we are still great apes. I wish I were smart enough to explain this to you loser fricks in a much more concise way. You would not believe how easy it is, you'll beat yourself up for not doing it earlier in your life.
bro Im a manlet no attractive woman is gonna give me the time of day. Sure I can be a rebel and go be a dancing monkey and hit on girls but it wont lead to anything.
Women are programmed by genetics to be status driven.
If you have low status, then how do you get a higher status?
Do what is necessary.
Sometimes, I get to do what I want to do.
Most times, I do what I have to.
It's part of being a Man.
You can either get up and do what you have to and not piss and moan about it.
Or you can sit and be a b***h.
Now, if you don't mind, I have to go clean out my garage - one of those "I do it because I have to" things.
Once upon a time, an attractive girl of mine and a less attractive one just called me to go out to their place "have fun" and "do some shit" because "they were feeling like it and not in the mood to go to bars and discos".
I say yes.
Then they start feminine bullshit games to have me accept the invitation of other guys.
I eventually accept and I realise that after the 3 guys are in it will not be a particularly fun night (I wasn't expecting sex either, but we could do other things).
So, they called 3 normie to dorkie looking guys. Who show up.
Then the two girls get a bit excited unexpectedly, outside of the guys view.
I go to them eventually to check what is it about.
>I have these friends look! Can they come in anon? They're cool people, you'll like them! >Really girlie? They're way bigger than me, will the situation be under control? If you wanna get fricked you shouldn't have called me, girlie (I was friends with her boyfriend whom she had just dumped) >No, no, it's all okay... I promise >Okay then.
Ten minutes later four huge guys from the local rugby team show up.
The normie to dorkie guys who had been called simply go silent when they arrive, as if they had been animals who realise they were trapped.
They all acted akwardly, scared and defensive.
While me, the rugby guys and the girls were laughing, drinking and having fun.
Long story short.
Eventually the rugby guys leave and the normie and dorkie guys get hot again, no one had sex but one of the dorks mannaged to have a few moments with the fattie in his lap and what not.
The next day I detail to the girls what happened. >Did you noticed the difference in behaviour from all those guys while the rugby guys were there and when they arrived? >And the sudden burst of repressed energy from the normie / dorkie guys when they left?
The girls:
Yeah, men should really be more confident.
Understand, anons:
To a girl: Confidence = I am the superior male.
The gug on the right is filthy inwardly and does no internal work. He is a narcissist like every incel and has no spiritual life and doesn't know what that means. He will live out his life knowing only the material world, plagued by mental and emotional complexes.
The frick is a 'gug'?
Wait... isn't that from some Lovecraft story?
Also, critical theory - just shit on anything good just for the sake of shitting on it >Dude improves himself >Can't have that >Make up entire backstory/lore of bullshit based on frick-all >Use made up bullshit to shit on target
You fricks are pathetic
But then, israelites never made anything good or wholesome in their miserable existence so at least you are consistent
>Another demoralization thread >Another israelite hiding behind meme flag
Reminder that all meme flags are israelites.
ALL meme flags.
Particularly ones that use EU, Christian or WN flags
Hit the weight pile, bros
You will need your strength
if the guy on the left had bigger arms and more muscle like the guy on the right, do you think the comments would be any different?
it stands to reason then that getting stronger and more muscular (to a degree, not being a mass monster roided body builder) cant harm your chances of success and might even improve them.
precise, its just that the guy on the right is shorter and less handsome, and he doesnt actively try to reach out to women. The guy on the left is probably a male model
The guy on the right looks fine. His beard and facial hair kinda sucks, but other than that he doesn't look bad. I think he could pull a lot of chicks if he wanted to.
Facial surgery as self improvement is permissable, but gymcels who go to get big are making a mistake. Get lean, see what you're working with, if it's still over time for surgery, if it's stil over after that it's rope time.
>but gymcels who go to get big are making a mistake
I agree. Some men still look attractive with the bodybuilder body type (Calum Von Moger for example) but the majority look like balding cavemen
Jay cutler was gigachad in his prime. He looked like a nazi soldier with a chiseled face and blonde hair so yeah he would have probably been able to pull most white chicks and probably all brown or asian chicks back then.
remember that it's
face > status fame money > height. for the majority of women
Fair enough, but I don't agree about the money thing. Women are attracted to the abundance of that resource, not the individual (when it comes to wealthy guys who have some disadvantage like being short or unattractive). If we're talking raw genetic attributes, a short jacked guy like Jay is going to be out performed by some 6"5 guy who's just as handsome but has never seen the inside of a gym.
>but I don't agree about the money thing
you have so much to learn.
think of money as multiplier or bonus. it gives you independence and ability to project power. I have gotten girls crushing on me simply because in addition to being fit I was able to give them new experiences that some of her "friends" were not able to (travels, concerts, restaurants, etc). They want to be with you because (apart from looking good) you bring fun to their lives and girls just want to have fun and excitement.
Also jay is not short, he is around 5'8''. the shorter guy in your pic looks like 5'5''. most women only care that you are taller than them as long as you bring the whole package with you.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I have gotten girls crushing on me simply because in addition to being fit I was able to give them new experiences
You're demonstrating the point I was making here. It's the money and what it gets that she likes, not you. >Also jay is not short, he is around 5'8''
I've got some bad news: that's short. I'm 6"1 and bordering on being short amongst my peers. Average height is still going up in the west.
that's a lie. I've met plenty of chads that were absolute dorks during high school.
Just anecdote
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>It's the money and what it gets that she likes, not you.
No, dumbass, the girl bonds over the experience.
How can you be so clueless?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Gonna cry?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
> No, dumbass, the girl bonds over the experience.
bingo that's pretty much how it works assuming that you are decent enough face wise and height wise for her.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Even if you are not ... how is he expecting the girl to bond with him if not through shared experience?
Is he expecting that he'll say some nice words like in the movies and the girl will melt away?
Well, when I was in high school, I thought much of the world was just like American Pie...
But then I grew up. Eventually.
Imagine going out with a girl and not trying to entice her to bond with you via shared experiences...
1 week ago
Anonymous
true. I must say though that there's is a balance between giving too much and too little. Some dorks spend thousands on girls that use them for benefits and they never even get a wet kiss from those girls. Don't be that simp dork. If the girl is attracted to you then use those experiences to strengthen that attraction and show her that you are fun to be around, don't be a cheap boring frick. As I said money is an important multiplier with girls and money won't make a girl attracted to you if the rest of you is not maxxed.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>You're demonstrating the point I was making here. It's the money and what it gets that she likes, not you.
look most young women won't go out with a rich ugly dork.
You don't have to be rich but you need money to do things. have a nice car, your own place, able to travel around.
> I've got some bad news: that's short. I'm 6"1 and bordering on being short amongst my peers
height is not everything. I already told you the hierarchy is face > status/money > height. When a man only talks about height it means he is lacking everywhere else. An attractive dude will always mog taller uglier dudes. again the woman you are after only cares that you are attractive enough for her and that you are taller than her.
Your life isn't 100% genetics. It's more like 90% genetics. So self-improvement does improve your life a little bit, just not as much as bluepilled goycattle are lead to believe.
I realized it's all pointless, lifting, working, self improving, going out with friends, getting women, everything. You will never make it and you will never live the life you thought you would live.
The younger generations are realizing early how fricked they are compared to the older gens.
Things weren't like this ten years ago, but they are now and they will only get worse.
>professional picture taken by what is essentially a model, who's bread and butter is his social media appearance with probably an entire team behind it to Photoshop and postprocess it
Vs. >Some dudes gym progress pic who paid no attention to his hairstyle or any finer details of his appearance before taking the picture
I guarantee you dude 2 gets girls. You people are comparing apples to pears.
Why is the incel goto always "I will not improve myself and be a person I enjoy being because attractive Instagram model exists"
Yes. There are things acting on you in society that are greater than anything you can do about, and no amount of physical or even intellectual development on your end will solve these problems.
No. Unless you think self improvement = working out. In which case it's still better than being a fatfrick, but it won'T help you much.
If you understand that it includes working on your character and your social skill, and it's something you do for your own benefit and not for women, than it absolutely is worth it.
This is terrible advice. Women is a very good bait for making men work on themselves. Most hit the gym or start going out more simply to get laid but with time come to see the other benefits that those bring and with time come to do them for reasons outside pussy.
A fair point. But in my experience, if you make "getting the woman" your central goal it comes off as desperate, especially to women. Work on yourselfe for yourselfe, and the rest will fall in place. It did for me, it workt for most people i know, but i'm sure it won't work for everyone. It's just advice, take it or leave it.
If you're doing it for a vain reason like trying to attract holes, then yes it's a waste of time. If you're doing it as a matter of survival for the coming struggle, it's not a waste at all. The main thing I focus on in the gym are stretches because I'm trying to be able to do the splits, and be able to kick someone on the jaw with my heel. I'm not flexible enough to do that yet, it's probably going to take the better part of a year or longer for me to get there.
Self improvement is not only about losing weight and muscle, its base meaning is to improve yourself through any means possible. Pick up a hobby, learn something, be healthier, perhaps even make someone else's life better to make the society you live in better. Doing these things almost always puts you in a better mood to handle when shit hits the fan and doesnt go as planned.
If you're just doing this shit for women, you're doing it for the wrong reasons, and even a braindead woman is gonna see through it and not care.
I got really depressed and stopped working out, and just hid in my room for about 7 years now. I have gotten out of shape, i'm actually kinda fat now and It feels uncomfortable. When I do physical labour it is harder than it should be. I remember when I was in shape and fit. It felt much better just in general. Everything was easier to do. Your body just feels much more comfortable and it is easier to relax. Women definitely notice you more, a lot of them used to stare at me. I mean I don't get out much now to know exactly how much that has changed but there definitely is less women that find me attractive. Not that I really care because i'm a turbo-sperg virgin but I know a lot of other men do care and have trouble with that
Having been really fit, and really unfit, I can tell you it is worth it to look after your body. I have been doing physical labour the last 4 days and it really showed me how unfit I have gotten and at this point I can't ignore it anymore. I don't want to get grotesquely fat, I don't want to stay unfit. I have to get over myself and get back to training like I used to regardless of how depressed I am. I'd rather be depressed and fit than depressed and fat. I am just going to start getting into a routine, doing pressups and situps. Make it easy at first and then when I am used to the routine I will add more onto it. That's a good tip for literally any habit you want to create btw
Yes
Just bee urself bro
Chicks love that
ahh i'm fricked then
For memeflags it is.
Self improvement is purely something you do for yourself.
Id you want yo impress people you become rich and wear expensive clothes, watches and drive fancy cars.
Or be funny
I'm hilarious, but other people just lack a sense of good humor. The babies in a blender kind.
>Self improvement is purely something you do for yourself.
Cope
No, never, just don't overdo some things, keep it balanced, do things that make you feel good about yourself, I did things that sounded good but didn't make me feel good after so I turned to a vice to compensate.
No, self-improvement is great. We should always strive to be healthy and at our best mentally. However, obsessing over your appearance and fitness and taking cheap Chinese supplements and steroids like Sam Hyde isn’t self-improvement.
Yeah, Hyde looks like a giant chicken nugget
Jealous OP?
Getting shredded and maintaining sub-10% BF is a harder achievement than just getting large
It is and people don't understand why. It's everything around working out that you have to do, not the physical activity itself.
>just stop having fun
beer is so good and cheap, bros.
no it's not. it's simply about stopping eating high caloric food. stop eating carbs and do light exercise and you will get shredded in 4 to 8 if you are skinny fat right now
There is truth to this.
I stopped eating carbs - almost all carbs - and dropped 25 pounds.
Now I'm kind of pissed off because I plateaued and can't drop any more till something changes - probably my level of activity.
Anyway, bye
> Anyway, bye
you don't leave pal.
but yeah only a certain type of individuals can look good with muscles. the rest of men look better thin and shredded
People also forget that being very lean puts you in a horrible mood, for many people, too. More easily agitated, shorter temper, less energy.
Not to mention your testosterone drops significantly below 10% bf, so you don't even give a frick about fricking
Even though this image is meant as bait, it's completely right about the whole thing
How so? The guy trains every day
Yeah but that's just normal life for him. Football training, having many friends, going to parties, socialising, having girlfiends etcetera are all just parts of his life that happened naturally over time. He didn't have to looksmaxx for a girlfriend or put effort into how to socialise or train like an nfl player just to get onto the team. He was born with the attributes necessary for success with those things and his life is playing our according to that predisposition. That's the point.
that's a lie. I've met plenty of chads that were absolute dorks during high school.
lol no. if your test drops because you are shredded then something is wrong with you. go to the doctor
It’s not when you’re younger than 25. After that, yeah it takes work and discipline.
left is neither shredded nor under 10 bodyfat lmao
Life is a giant dice roll and most people lose big. Every single thing that men do is biological programming to try gain pussy, even if they try to delude themselves about doing it for 'themselves'. So for 90% of men self improvement is a waste of time because they don't have a decent genetic base to work with.
This is just not true bud. You’ve clearly never met a real insane lad, like myself. I run ~6 miles a day for no reason other than my brain tells me to and the feeling after I’ve spent myself is better than sex more often than not. My brother runs and my old ass father still runs and his father before him ran and who taught that man to run? I assume his father. Running is literally engrained in my dna and is more pussy an outcome to my running? Probably, but I can assure you pussy or no pussy I would be running in the forest loving every moment feeling grateful for my amazing body with every step. That cliche “I feel bad for a man who never pushes his body to the physical limits because they never get to see the beauty in strength their body is capable of” is a truth and real men self improve, its in their dna
This is the plot to the next Forrest Gump film.
"Gump Family Values."
A story of American morons that just run and run and run.
No, this is what average looking men looked like in the 70s.
We should go back.
looking like a roid freak isn’t self-improvement.
freedom is the word, you are just shackling yourself even further to maintain such physique.
freedom doesnt exist
Left looks like a gay porn star
>weight 173
the guy on the right is 5'7 tops
Both of them self improved, it’s just that teenage girls prefer the “summer physique” and men admire the bulk.
This. Also righty has a goofy beard and boring hair.
What is there to even say at this point anymore about this kind of stuff? For many of us we have been exposed to the red and black pills of reality for many years. Many of us even for decades. You would have to have your head in the sand at this point to not be aware of certain truths about the world that are so blatantly in your face 24/7. So women prefer the tall more slender but still fit chad over the gymaxxing manlet. What else is new? They do not care that the manlet could likely body the chad in 10/10 fights either. Its never been about protection. I just won't say any further. It is all pointless. This whole reality has to go and we need to ascend into the heavens at this point so we can have all of our desires and not have other people try to stop us from enjoying what we deserve. You will get everything you could ever want + more there.
You had me at the first half.
Fricking christcucks
The dude on the left is shredded and has good muscle mass, thats probably a lot more effort than the tren clown on the right has put in
It is very easy to get a body on the left. You are entirely wrong. With enough fasting and eating right as well as cardio that becomes achievable. Right has to do all of that in addition to heavy weight lifting, worrying about recovery a lot more, supplements. Alex Leonidas claims to be natural and I believe him. His path is way harder. Stop being a b***h.
The guy on the left definitely does some form of strength training. I doubt you've ever had a body like his.
I don't need nor want a body like his. I have been as slender as him in my life before. I prefer to have strength. I am a manlet myself anyways so this is why a lot of us shorter guy convince ourselves that its pointless either way so you may as well go for as much strength as possible because at least there seems to be more immediate benefits for yourself by gaining a bulkier body. People are more likely to respect a shorter man that is also wide rather than one who is trying to appeal to female sexual desire yet lacks perhaps their most wanted trait for a partner which is height. I never said guy on left doesn't put in any work. Its just not nearly as hard as you say.
Yeah the left body type only works if tall.
Complete bullshit, stay quiet if you don't know about what you're talking about, you're probably a fat frick
Focus on calisthenics instead of just lifting weights to get a physique women actually like.
Damn I wish I had a sense of balance.
>Olympic gymnast hopeful becomes street performer
Missed the cut for cirque as well, oof
Good for him.
I cannot do that
He has worked hard for the body required to do such exercises.
This, only gays are attracted to a body like the guy on the right in op's picture.
I'd take the gymnast build any day over the body builder look. Better mix of red vs. white muscle development, looks more natural and balanced.
I can’t do this because I’m too tall and large framed. On the other hand I could brain this guy with the flick of my wrist
>I could brain this guy with the flick of my wrist
*muscle-ups away* heh, what now?
You aren’t fast enough to grab him during that pullup? Or were you imagining Jackie Chan films, where the action scenes are running at 1.5x speed?
no midgets, it does not count at all when your arms are 15 inches long
Why not just do gymnastics at that point?
If you are large or tall you should have gone for volleyball, handball or any sport that makes you taller, women prefer height over everything which is normal since they want tall genes for their sons (don't marry short women)
if that was a white man those slants would literally be sucking his wiener in public while he did that
No, you’d get another israeli news article about rude tourists if it was a white man doing that.
>Calisthenics
You'd be an idiot if you thought that was the only thing he was doing. Most who do it look like subpar skinnyfat twinks.
actual professional male gymnasts look like bodybuilders
Yes, because many of them fricking lift.
>Achilles on the left
>bulgarious on the right
Simple
>t. dadbod, can't be fricked
No. Self discipline in the step to greater things.
You improve yourself for (YOURSELF), if you improve yourself for women or other people you are an insecure moron
is israel a waste of time ? the answer is yes and so is your homosexual thread.
Israel will be moved to Ukraine
not until my vessel dies , no great ukraine/israel will happen because im one of the last seals to be broken.
but thus far no1 dares to touch me once i shapeshift so , good luck Black personjews!
for you all Christ is King , for me , he is my Superior.
Lift AND socialize. Socializing is a learnable skill that can be practiced and trained just like a muscle.
Even if people around you only talk about irrelevant shit, If you do some superficial research on the subjects they're evidently interested in, you'll probably know enough to get a conversarion going, they'll do most of the talking themselves and appreciate that you're such a good listener.
Better to be ugly and jacked than to be ugly and skinny-fat.
The guy on the right is to be saluted. It is a perfect form of shoulders and chest and arms. Sadly i only have shoulders.
I would rather have the accolades on the right.
>Is Self Improvement a waste of time?
No you're thinking of women.
I'm the guy on the left without the muscle. Reaction of women is the same
Face >>>> height > everything else
Without a good face, all those muscles are meaningless and will only make you look like some mob character in a Bollywood fight scene who gets beat up by the hero. If anything, men without a prettyboi face should stay away from the roided look. They should aim for the normie dad bod, so that it makes them look less intimidating to women.
One is literally modelling and is aimed at that audience.
The other is a literally who showing off his gains to his buddies.
Apples to oranges
And that's all the guy on the right will ever get. Gay compliments from fellow gymrats. Women don't like a gymrat body. They prefer a lean and athletic body, like the one in the left pic. Too much muscles scare them.
Firstly, musculature is not permanent. He could trim down a lot by simply not eating or cutting his caloric intake. Could very easily achieve the physique of the model from his current state. A lot easier for him than it is for you, likely sitting around on /misc/ k'vetching all day. Best part is, that's still true to the idea of self-improvement.
Secondly, just because women ignore you for smelling bad & eating cow shit doesn't mean everyone's gonna have it as bad as you, Rama Mandeep. You can stop projecting now that you've admitted to it kek
Black person, I'm literally twinkmaxxed, so I get attention from women of all ages and all colors. The only thing getting in my way is my crippling autism.
>pajeet
>attention from women
>replies with totally believable story about how he gets constant attention from poojeetas but is too autistic to reciprocate, despite being lucid enough to recognise the attention
I've only started nooticing it recently. All my life I used to think I'm an ugly moron. Turns out, it's the opposite (even before I started working out). In hindsight, I can recall a lot of instances of girls hitting on me during my school days that completely flew over my head.
You're Indian.
Self-improvement for the sake of it doesn't work for most people. They need a concrete reason to leave their comfort zone, otherwise they won't.
That's why it's so great, anon.
Once you get to improve just for improvement's sake... you're a half God compared to the masses.
If your only goal is putting your penis in a woman, yeah probably. If you have higher aspirations than that, then no, it is not a waste of time.
not completely, but height, face and hair are like 90% of attraction
Women find slender-athletic builds sexy. Gay men are thrilled by bodybuilder physiques. You're seriously only becoming aware of this now?
its like guys here were never in high school. I don't think I recall one brutish meat head getting pussy from anything but fat girls. you learn quickly to be thin and in shape and not be a meat head or you never do.
Lad on right would fricking mutilate blondie, so yeah I'd say so. You little pillow biters.
The guy on the left isn't filled with parasite demons. Actually he still is,just less.
No, because top right is much more interesting than he would be as some flabby nerd, even if he will never be as hot as top left.
Also what do you think top left is doing, he is modelling, he is being some bro homosexual somewhere, while top right is hitting the gym and having a laugh with his pals and not giving a shit.
The biggest mistake you can make as a man is to believe that some great injustice has befallen you that people don't instantly like you, as they did before puberty hits. You are not a cute button, you are like a little annoying cheeky wolverine or possum scurrying around, going where he isn't wanted, tipping bins and no one can catch him or stop him.
That is what you are supposed to do, you are supposed to game the system, sneak into parties you weren't invited to, make fun of Chad for acting gangsta when he still lives with his mom in the 'burbs and making Stacy laugh then start hitting on Stacy right in front of him and all her fat friends who would never let you near her or give you the time of day. You are supposed to rebel and upend the social pecking order. You are supposed to be hated and viewed as a hostile threat, because you are. Not a threat as in someone malicious, but a threat to their stupid normy pecking order.
Women keep saying "have confidence", it makes me fricking sick, but there is an ounce of truth to it. They want you to frick with people like this, they see you and think "he's attractive", but then you slink away and signal to them you are a low status male. It disappoints them, because you are not playing into their sexual fantasies. It harks back to ooga booga caveman days when we were like chimpanzees throwing shit at each other, but it works, because we are still great apes. I wish I were smart enough to explain this to you loser fricks in a much more concise way. You would not believe how easy it is, you'll beat yourself up for not doing it earlier in your life.
>be me
>tip over bin
>get arrested
bro Im a manlet no attractive woman is gonna give me the time of day. Sure I can be a rebel and go be a dancing monkey and hit on girls but it wont lead to anything.
Women are programmed by genetics to be status driven.
If you have low status, then how do you get a higher status?
Do what is necessary.
Sometimes, I get to do what I want to do.
Most times, I do what I have to.
It's part of being a Man.
You can either get up and do what you have to and not piss and moan about it.
Or you can sit and be a b***h.
Now, if you don't mind, I have to go clean out my garage - one of those "I do it because I have to" things.
>Be confident
Once upon a time, an attractive girl of mine and a less attractive one just called me to go out to their place "have fun" and "do some shit" because "they were feeling like it and not in the mood to go to bars and discos".
I say yes.
Then they start feminine bullshit games to have me accept the invitation of other guys.
I eventually accept and I realise that after the 3 guys are in it will not be a particularly fun night (I wasn't expecting sex either, but we could do other things).
So, they called 3 normie to dorkie looking guys. Who show up.
Then the two girls get a bit excited unexpectedly, outside of the guys view.
I go to them eventually to check what is it about.
>I have these friends look! Can they come in anon? They're cool people, you'll like them!
>Really girlie? They're way bigger than me, will the situation be under control? If you wanna get fricked you shouldn't have called me, girlie (I was friends with her boyfriend whom she had just dumped)
>No, no, it's all okay... I promise
>Okay then.
Ten minutes later four huge guys from the local rugby team show up.
The normie to dorkie guys who had been called simply go silent when they arrive, as if they had been animals who realise they were trapped.
They all acted akwardly, scared and defensive.
While me, the rugby guys and the girls were laughing, drinking and having fun.
Long story short.
Eventually the rugby guys leave and the normie and dorkie guys get hot again, no one had sex but one of the dorks mannaged to have a few moments with the fattie in his lap and what not.
The next day I detail to the girls what happened.
>Did you noticed the difference in behaviour from all those guys while the rugby guys were there and when they arrived?
>And the sudden burst of repressed energy from the normie / dorkie guys when they left?
The girls:
Yeah, men should really be more confident.
Understand, anons:
To a girl: Confidence = I am the superior male.
Insecurity = I admit there are superior males han me around. Oy vey, I'm the beta cuck.
It really do be like that. Most of the time.
The gug on the right is filthy inwardly and does no internal work. He is a narcissist like every incel and has no spiritual life and doesn't know what that means. He will live out his life knowing only the material world, plagued by mental and emotional complexes.
The frick is a 'gug'?
Wait... isn't that from some Lovecraft story?
Also, critical theory - just shit on anything good just for the sake of shitting on it
>Dude improves himself
>Can't have that
>Make up entire backstory/lore of bullshit based on frick-all
>Use made up bullshit to shit on target
You fricks are pathetic
But then, israelites never made anything good or wholesome in their miserable existence so at least you are consistent
Has he tried shaving his beard like the guy on the left?
if youre asking pol that question, youve already lost.
but to answer your question, absolutely not.
It’s the face. Right looks dead inside
>Another demoralization thread
>Another israelite hiding behind meme flag
Reminder that all meme flags are israelites.
ALL meme flags.
Particularly ones that use EU, Christian or WN flags
Hit the weight pile, bros
You will need your strength
I don't get it both men are attractive.
if the guy on the left had bigger arms and more muscle like the guy on the right, do you think the comments would be any different?
it stands to reason then that getting stronger and more muscular (to a degree, not being a mass monster roided body builder) cant harm your chances of success and might even improve them.
precise, its just that the guy on the right is shorter and less handsome, and he doesnt actively try to reach out to women. The guy on the left is probably a male model
No, it's just you frickers don't know what self improvement is. It isn't going to the gym, that's about 5% of it.
The guy on the right looks fine. His beard and facial hair kinda sucks, but other than that he doesn't look bad. I think he could pull a lot of chicks if he wanted to.
he literally just needs to lose some pounds. get some styling on the beard and a better haircut. also a tan.
Facial surgery as self improvement is permissable, but gymcels who go to get big are making a mistake. Get lean, see what you're working with, if it's still over time for surgery, if it's stil over after that it's rope time.
>but gymcels who go to get big are making a mistake
I agree. Some men still look attractive with the bodybuilder body type (Calum Von Moger for example) but the majority look like balding cavemen
All the focus in the wrong place
Jay cutler was gigachad in his prime. He looked like a nazi soldier with a chiseled face and blonde hair so yeah he would have probably been able to pull most white chicks and probably all brown or asian chicks back then.
remember that it's
face > status fame money > height. for the majority of women
>remember that it's
>face > status fame money > height. for the majority of women
You're so wrong.
Fair enough, but I don't agree about the money thing. Women are attracted to the abundance of that resource, not the individual (when it comes to wealthy guys who have some disadvantage like being short or unattractive). If we're talking raw genetic attributes, a short jacked guy like Jay is going to be out performed by some 6"5 guy who's just as handsome but has never seen the inside of a gym.
>but I don't agree about the money thing
you have so much to learn.
think of money as multiplier or bonus. it gives you independence and ability to project power. I have gotten girls crushing on me simply because in addition to being fit I was able to give them new experiences that some of her "friends" were not able to (travels, concerts, restaurants, etc). They want to be with you because (apart from looking good) you bring fun to their lives and girls just want to have fun and excitement.
Also jay is not short, he is around 5'8''. the shorter guy in your pic looks like 5'5''. most women only care that you are taller than them as long as you bring the whole package with you.
>I have gotten girls crushing on me simply because in addition to being fit I was able to give them new experiences
You're demonstrating the point I was making here. It's the money and what it gets that she likes, not you.
>Also jay is not short, he is around 5'8''
I've got some bad news: that's short. I'm 6"1 and bordering on being short amongst my peers. Average height is still going up in the west.
Just anecdote
>It's the money and what it gets that she likes, not you.
No, dumbass, the girl bonds over the experience.
How can you be so clueless?
Gonna cry?
> No, dumbass, the girl bonds over the experience.
bingo that's pretty much how it works assuming that you are decent enough face wise and height wise for her.
Even if you are not ... how is he expecting the girl to bond with him if not through shared experience?
Is he expecting that he'll say some nice words like in the movies and the girl will melt away?
Well, when I was in high school, I thought much of the world was just like American Pie...
But then I grew up. Eventually.
Imagine going out with a girl and not trying to entice her to bond with you via shared experiences...
true. I must say though that there's is a balance between giving too much and too little. Some dorks spend thousands on girls that use them for benefits and they never even get a wet kiss from those girls. Don't be that simp dork. If the girl is attracted to you then use those experiences to strengthen that attraction and show her that you are fun to be around, don't be a cheap boring frick. As I said money is an important multiplier with girls and money won't make a girl attracted to you if the rest of you is not maxxed.
>You're demonstrating the point I was making here. It's the money and what it gets that she likes, not you.
look most young women won't go out with a rich ugly dork.
You don't have to be rich but you need money to do things. have a nice car, your own place, able to travel around.
> I've got some bad news: that's short. I'm 6"1 and bordering on being short amongst my peers
height is not everything. I already told you the hierarchy is face > status/money > height. When a man only talks about height it means he is lacking everywhere else. An attractive dude will always mog taller uglier dudes. again the woman you are after only cares that you are attractive enough for her and that you are taller than her.
Who gets more attention from women in this image? World champion body builder Jay cutler (who has an above average face) or random tall dutch guy?
in his prime ? probably jay cutler. he is rich, has status, white and blonde. he could literally pull any girl in his prime even if he was 5'8''
This is copium bro
Most of you simply do not do it for the love of the game and it shows
Your life isn't 100% genetics. It's more like 90% genetics. So self-improvement does improve your life a little bit, just not as much as bluepilled goycattle are lead to believe.
What's the point of body building if you have to take steroids to get there.
duh
I realized it's all pointless, lifting, working, self improving, going out with friends, getting women, everything. You will never make it and you will never live the life you thought you would live.
The younger generations are realizing early how fricked they are compared to the older gens.
Things weren't like this ten years ago, but they are now and they will only get worse.
>memeflag
>doomer posting
>image has an inverted (Satanic) star in it
Gee I wonder who's behind this post.
>professional picture taken by what is essentially a model, who's bread and butter is his social media appearance with probably an entire team behind it to Photoshop and postprocess it
Vs.
>Some dudes gym progress pic who paid no attention to his hairstyle or any finer details of his appearance before taking the picture
I guarantee you dude 2 gets girls. You people are comparing apples to pears.
Why is the incel goto always "I will not improve myself and be a person I enjoy being because attractive Instagram model exists"
>Why is the incel goto always "I will not improve myself and be a person I enjoy being because attractive Instagram model exists"
Jews anon, it's always israelites.
No
Yes. There are things acting on you in society that are greater than anything you can do about, and no amount of physical or even intellectual development on your end will solve these problems.
What the hell else are you going to do with your life other than self improve? Goon yourself to death?
No. Unless you think self improvement = working out. In which case it's still better than being a fatfrick, but it won'T help you much.
If you understand that it includes working on your character and your social skill, and it's something you do for your own benefit and not for women, than it absolutely is worth it.
This is terrible advice. Women is a very good bait for making men work on themselves. Most hit the gym or start going out more simply to get laid but with time come to see the other benefits that those bring and with time come to do them for reasons outside pussy.
A fair point. But in my experience, if you make "getting the woman" your central goal it comes off as desperate, especially to women. Work on yourselfe for yourselfe, and the rest will fall in place. It did for me, it workt for most people i know, but i'm sure it won't work for everyone. It's just advice, take it or leave it.
If you're doing it for a vain reason like trying to attract holes, then yes it's a waste of time. If you're doing it as a matter of survival for the coming struggle, it's not a waste at all. The main thing I focus on in the gym are stretches because I'm trying to be able to do the splits, and be able to kick someone on the jaw with my heel. I'm not flexible enough to do that yet, it's probably going to take the better part of a year or longer for me to get there.
>survival
Getting bloatmaxxed is not going to save you from a band of savages armed with ar-15s. That’s the biggest cope I’ve ever heard from a gymcel
Self improvement is not only about losing weight and muscle, its base meaning is to improve yourself through any means possible. Pick up a hobby, learn something, be healthier, perhaps even make someone else's life better to make the society you live in better. Doing these things almost always puts you in a better mood to handle when shit hits the fan and doesnt go as planned.
If you're just doing this shit for women, you're doing it for the wrong reasons, and even a braindead woman is gonna see through it and not care.
I got really depressed and stopped working out, and just hid in my room for about 7 years now. I have gotten out of shape, i'm actually kinda fat now and It feels uncomfortable. When I do physical labour it is harder than it should be. I remember when I was in shape and fit. It felt much better just in general. Everything was easier to do. Your body just feels much more comfortable and it is easier to relax. Women definitely notice you more, a lot of them used to stare at me. I mean I don't get out much now to know exactly how much that has changed but there definitely is less women that find me attractive. Not that I really care because i'm a turbo-sperg virgin but I know a lot of other men do care and have trouble with that
Having been really fit, and really unfit, I can tell you it is worth it to look after your body. I have been doing physical labour the last 4 days and it really showed me how unfit I have gotten and at this point I can't ignore it anymore. I don't want to get grotesquely fat, I don't want to stay unfit. I have to get over myself and get back to training like I used to regardless of how depressed I am. I'd rather be depressed and fit than depressed and fat. I am just going to start getting into a routine, doing pressups and situps. Make it easy at first and then when I am used to the routine I will add more onto it. That's a good tip for literally any habit you want to create btw
>I got really depressed and stopped working out, and just hid in my room for about 7 years now.
Literally me