You should run the program until your progress stalls, meaning you're no longer adding weight to the bar on a workout-to-workout basis. Assuming you eat enough, that will take several months
So just do it until you max it out then switch to hypertrophy, idk why you would expect to look good after a beginner program (which can be done in 6 months).
>idk why you would expect to look good after a beginner program (which can be done in 6 months)
6 months can do wonders if you start doing things right since the beggining... There's no point on wasting 6 months doing a powershitter's routine to end up being a fat shapeless slob
He looks like that because of his extreme caloric intake. Are you skeptical that skinny young men will gain a bunch of fat if they eat 4000 calories a day or whatever that old homosexual recommends?
I mean... if you don't care about being fat I would recommend eating 4000 calories a day. That's the whole point of contention you autist. People don't want to get fat.
To get strong, you must give your body the nutrients it needs to build muscle. If you become fat while doing it, there are methods for losing fat while maintaining as much muscle as possible. You cannot be strong without putting on mass.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah this is why nobody has ever built muscle or become strong without gaining 2lbs a week like Rippetoe recommends (I just googled it). I hope for your sake you are trolling because if not you are a massive moron.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Nobody has ever become strong by avoiding gaining mass.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Nice strawman moron but that's still wrong. Stop giving advice.
9 months ago
Anonymous
NTA but that is a manlet in your pic
9 months ago
Anonymous
5'9 and he PR'd 410... while avoiding gaining """"mass"""" the entire time.
9 months ago
Anonymous
yeah it is impressive
the thing is most of the fit boomers still latch on to the terrible memes like
- you need to be first a fat shitter to put on muscle
- cardio melts muscle
- you have to do constant bulk-cut cycles, which is just a thing roidshitters used when preparing for their gay bodybuilding competitions
9 months ago
Anonymous
It's factually correct and your example only proves my point.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Your strawman argument is that you can't gain weight without a caloric surplus and enough protein. Everyone knows that you muppet. You're the moron who unironically thinks gaining 2lbs a week is a good idea because you "can't get strong" without doing so.
9 months ago
Anonymous
You cannot get strong without putting on mass. In order to build muscle you need the correct matter in order to build the muscle and in enough amounts to be considered a surplus. The act of gaining muscle will make you gain mass as the nutrients absorbed from outside of your body become incorporated into your body. You cannot get around this. This isn't up for debate.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>You need to eat a caloric surplus with enough protein to gain muscle if you start skinny.
literally nobody ever disagreed with that you dumb fat homosexual
9 months ago
Anonymous
You have to build mass in order to build muscle. The human body naturally build fat in the anabolic process alongside muscle. In order to maximize muscle growth capacity to shorten the amount of training time needed, it's required for you to put on fat. There is no avoiding this. Cutting the fat as it comes is just how some do it. Cutting the fat after the program is completed is how others do it. You cannot get around it no matter how much you whine.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Thanks man I'll start GOMAD today. Does chocolate milk count? Can I do 2 gallons?
9 months ago
Anonymous
I accept your concession.
9 months ago
Anonymous
NTA, but you obviously have not read SS and do not understand it and do not understand who GOMAD is appropriate for. You also are completely neglecting that SS is a book about technique and the programming is secondary.
But stay mad and weak i guess :^)
9 months ago
Anonymous
You're literally a skinny DYEL, so probably. Only a reet would type something that stupid.
pretty pathetic that you would use your phone along with your PC to reply twice in 14 seconds xD
enjoy your 2 lbs of """"mass"""" a week fatties
9 months ago
Anonymous
I gained 50 lbs and still have abs. Cope.
9 months ago
Anonymous
roiders/blacks don't count
9 months ago
Anonymous
we're different anons but I'm not fat but I'm pstrong :^). Ty rip for showing me the way~~~~~~~
9 months ago
Anonymous
did you gain 2lbs a week? if not you weren't following the program.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Well that's not true and you haven't read the book. And once again, SS is mostly about technique.
9 months ago
Anonymous
If you complained to Rip that you weren't making gains and he found out you weren't eating at a massive caloric surplus he would roast you. SS is about heavy compound lifts and a massive caloric surplus.
9 months ago
Anonymous
And?
Gotta eat big to get big.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I see you didn't even read the thread and just wanted to post a webm of you squatting. Mission accomplished moron.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>projecting this hard
9 months ago
Anonymous
>thinking I'm a powershitter
I thought that much would be obvious.
9 months ago
Anonymous
You're not even responding to me and it's me in the webm :^) i only wrote the comments about technique
9 months ago
Anonymous
my apologies friend you're not moronic
9 months ago
Anonymous
No, you're wrong and the book explicitly talks about how fat people should not be gaining weight on the program.
If you're 150lbs and 6'0 you absolutely should be eating large surplus. That's where GOMAD comes from. And why would you not want to? A skinny kid can go from n1pl8-4pl8 diddly in 4 months like that.
9 months ago
Anonymous
no shit. this whole autism fest started with this picture
https://i.imgur.com/gmKbmR3.jpg
Works like a charm bro!
of a kid who got fat and morons claiming you have to get fat to build muscle and strength.
9 months ago
Anonymous
You got utterly destroyed and admitted defeat. There's nothing to argue, as you manufacture all sorts of lies about your opponents to their faces instead of making a coherent point. Anyone sane can tell by the low-IQ posts which posts are yours and they can easily surmise that you're in here for quick responses and to scream obscenities as you quickly lose any credibility you might've been falsely perceived to have held.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I thought you were just shitposting about my concession. I guess just you're genuinely that moronic.
9 months ago
Anonymous
btw i wrote the comment of SS being about technique and here i am demonstrating it! point your nipples to the floor when you squat!
9 months ago
Anonymous
I'm probably the only guy in the world who has access to dumbbells, a hex bar, and a machine that has a bar (and pulleys) but no actual free bar so I have to do all these programs on the back of a napkin.
I'm doing them all dumbbell and just doing 15x5 bodyweight squats because I'm 325 lbs.
9 months ago
Anonymous
didn't mean to reply.
9 months ago
Anonymous
You're literally a skinny DYEL, so probably. Only a reet would type something that stupid.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I'm almost doing gomad because I hate eating so I need to drink my calories and yoghurt is cheap protein. Drinking a liter of yoghurt two times a day hurts my soul and bowels, but it is what it is I guess.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Nice reading comprehension you fat frickup.
9 months ago
Anonymous
embarrassing, just stop, go pick and read Starting Logic or something lmfao
9 months ago
Anonymous
You have to build mass in order to build muscle. The human body naturally build fat in the anabolic process alongside muscle. In order to maximize muscle growth capacity to shorten the amount of training time needed, it's required for you to put on fat. There is no avoiding this. Cutting the fat as it comes is just how some do it. Cutting the fat after the program is completed is how others do it. You cannot get around it no matter how much you whine.
He doesn't know about Jeff Nippard's secret Recomp formula. It's secret knowledge that is not available to the public openly.
9 months ago
Anonymous
brah I bulked up to 77kg about 1 year ago and I was skinnyfat, now I'm the same weight but twice as lean and stronger
I think it's great for casual beginners as long as you don't bulk to oblivion alongside it. For people who don't have any sort of foundation of strength, it's an awesome way to start and then transition into something better later down the line. Although I do it like:
3x5 Bench
3x5 Squat
3x5 OHP
3x5 Deadlift
A lot of people will want to hit the gym only once or twice a week if they're casuals, and asking more of them right off the bat is a recipe for disaster and failure. If one or two days per week is all they'll give you, a full body compound routine like SS is the best bet.
Doing 3x5 OHP and BP on the same day isn’t sustainable. I could do it for awhile then my shoulder and elbow started hurting. I now do 3x5 OHP and 3x8 incline on the same day as well as 3x5 BP and 3x8 OHP on the same. But I’m also a 40yr natty boomer who took a few years off and has muscle memory
You really have no business commenting on a proram where you havent read the book.
The SS program is ahnds down THE EBST program for ALL< beginners, regardless of goals. Aft 6-18 mionths, a different program may suit your highly spoecialised and super unique needs. Nevertheless, you will never regretL: 1) buying and reading the entire book 2) learning how to properly lift and why 3) learning and understanding the basics of programming for lifting.
If you dont understand the words I used to justify my position, then you have no business replying. nxmdam
It's good because people should deadlift 4pl8 before they start telling us their 4 hour, 6x PPL routine is actually better with only the cost of it taking 5x as long per week to do (they deadlift 2pl8)
>Is Starting Strength a good routine for casual beginners
Yes. >or just a meme?
It can be a meme if you treat Starting Strength as Intermediate Bodybuilding, but the bigger meme will be the person with such an abysmal reading comprehension he can't understand the what it says on the fricking tin, or in this case, the cover.
>the bigger meme will be the person with such an abysmal reading comprehension he can't understand the what it says on the fricking tin
It literally tells you to eat 8000 calories a day. Who's the one not reading the book?
Yeah because the majority of IST is irredeemably moronic.
You’re supposed to do it for half a year, to learn the basic lifts and to gain strength, you don’t have to follow the fricking bulking diet Rippletit made for skelly who want to become linebackers. It’s fricking obvious.
honestly, in my experience it is good to do until you max out without bulking (normally a few months). Then switch to higher volume and add in dips and chinups for a nice physique
don't start with 3x5 though instead 5x5. 3x5 is pathetically low volume
YES ffs if you can bench 315 right off the bat, squat 425, do a bro split, you are strong enough with a decent strength base where a program like ss is probably not your thing, although you will still get stronger, this program was made for the dyel and old lady who wants to gain strength.
That video was made by someone who doesn't understand what starting strength is trying to achieve. You are not supposed to keep doing this program after completion.
The video is by an SSC so I think he gets it. But he's also a disgruntled SSC who was never a good lifter. Most SSCs are in fact not great lifters, but it has nothing to do with SS. The book is 90% about technique. The programming is secondary, and saying it doesn't work is moronic because it's the simplest shit ever.
It's designed for beginners to teach them proper techniques for using barbells. If you're a beginner looking to get strong and you have access to a barbell, starting strength is perfect for you. You may move on to other programs to further develop your body when you reach intermediate status after completion of this program, in roughly 6-9 months.
day a 3x10 squat, bench, row
day b 3x10 deadlift, overhead press, pull ups
that's it dude now go get jacked, you can hit intermediate level just with that
It does what its's supposed to do. It got me from being an anorexic vegetarian soccer player to squatting twice bodyweight in 8 months and I didn't have to take his shitty diet advice to do it. The technical analysis of the lifts is spot on and a valuable read.
However, essentially as a program it just takes advantage of noob gains that would have happened almost as well with any consistent effort and proper recovery. It lacks upper bod volume and after the first few months it needs to be changed up. It also assumes you don't work on your feed 4 hours a week and can recover like a year old young man. Doing similar programming with more recovery time is better for most.
Don't ever listen to anyone who describes something as "just a meme". They lack the comprehension and descriptive power to make their own point, assuming they even have one.
In short, run the program loosely for 4-6 months then switch to something with a little more purpose to it
Like other have mentioned it's not some program that you're going to get jacked with. I started my lifting career with starting strength with literally no barbell movement experience. It works to develop your body memory of the barbell movements and when you hit the wall you either switch to the texas method or to another intermediate program.
One thing that grinds my gears is it's fashionable to clown on SS yet every other strength based linear progression program is straight up ripping off SS. Look at Alan Thrall, he was a Rippatoe dickrider along with his 'trainers' at Barbell Medicine then all of a sudden they start plugging their own program and disavowing SS but their program is the same god damn thing as SS.
It's a good beginner routine for about 12 weeks
Running it longer is dumb
Eating so much you get fat is dumb
Basically how the typical ISTgay would do it leads to suboptimal results but thats every routine tbqdesu
Black person
It's probably the best usage of your time if you're a total DYEL trying to start (hence the name) lifting seriously. 6 months on the program (depending on age, athletic base etc) is about right. >BUT THEY COULD JUST START WITH A BODYBUILDING PROGRAM INSTEAD AND...
Ok. I know what I've actually observed in dozens of commercial gyms across multiple states/countries. Can a regular joe start bodybuilding right off the bat and eventually get aesthetic? I'm sure it happens sometimes, but the vast, vast, majority of men who try waste years spinning their plates and doing zero intensity machine fluff with no results. I see it every single day. Guys who have been going to the gym for ages but are doing 3x10 machine fly/pec deck/bicep machine/wrist curl/leg extention bullshit with the same weight as when they started. This is most guys I see in the gym. Strength programs (doesn't have to be Starting Strength, any good program) aren't the be all end all but they teach beginners that they actually need to do hard shit sometimes to put on any muscle.
The diet advice is a meme though, I will concede that. Just eat 300-500 calories over your TDEE (at most) like Mentzer said.
I've done SS for about 7 months, I'll admit that looking good is a priority for me, not simply gaining strength. So, what would be a good program to do next?
It's hard to tell whether something looks shitty because it stands on its own merits or whether it's just shitty. It's like a nonfiction ebook that some guy self publishes. Sure, it could be super high quality autistic gold. Or it could simply be schizo. The new programmer at work might have a ponytail and a neckbeard cuz he's a programming god, alternately he could just be a mediocre moron. Starting Strength is like that, it's all passionate old fat dudes, low production quality etc. It might be good or it might suck.
I ran SS when I started out as a teen. It did a great job of drilling in the concept of progressive overload and getting me into the habit of consistently doing the big compounds, I got stronger, and did gain some size. It is THE most basic, casual novice lifter routine ever. It's good but you should probably move on to another program within a year, and for the love of God don't overeat eat like a moron.
So I've been on SS for around 20 years, deloaded and reset about 200 times. Things are going pretty well, think I'm well on my way to becoming an intermediate lifter. Girls have started to notice too, just the other day I heard some ladies at the gym refer to me as "T-Rex"- the alpha predator! Gonna keep going for a bit, see how far I can push it. Thanks Mr Rippletoe!
its good if you've never walked into a gym before but decided you want to become a powerlifter (although no moron absolute beginner off the street will be able to do power cleans or pendalay rows with correct form)
It's more for advanced users than beginners
Its okay
It's great for beginners
How long would you reccomend doing it for before branching out into more specific isolated muscle group stuff?
When you start to notice that your legs are much more developed than your upper body, then it's time to look into something else
You should run the program until your progress stalls, meaning you're no longer adding weight to the bar on a workout-to-workout basis. Assuming you eat enough, that will take several months
A meme, unless you want a not very good specialized powerlifting routine.
you know nothing about lifting or starting strength to have somehow conjured up this comment.
Works like a charm bro!
So just do it until you max it out then switch to hypertrophy, idk why you would expect to look good after a beginner program (which can be done in 6 months).
>idk why you would expect to look good after a beginner program (which can be done in 6 months)
6 months can do wonders if you start doing things right since the beggining... There's no point on wasting 6 months doing a powershitter's routine to end up being a fat shapeless slob
rertarded post. doing high volume if you cant even bench 185 for reps is useless.
Did you do the program your self? Or are you just superficially meming because you read the threads?
He looks like that because of his extreme caloric intake. Are you skeptical that skinny young men will gain a bunch of fat if they eat 4000 calories a day or whatever that old homosexual recommends?
What's your advice for developing a strong base of muscle while only using barbells in only half a year?
Nevermind, you probably don't lift.
I mean... if you don't care about being fat I would recommend eating 4000 calories a day. That's the whole point of contention you autist. People don't want to get fat.
To get strong, you must give your body the nutrients it needs to build muscle. If you become fat while doing it, there are methods for losing fat while maintaining as much muscle as possible. You cannot be strong without putting on mass.
Yeah this is why nobody has ever built muscle or become strong without gaining 2lbs a week like Rippetoe recommends (I just googled it). I hope for your sake you are trolling because if not you are a massive moron.
Nobody has ever become strong by avoiding gaining mass.
Nice strawman moron but that's still wrong. Stop giving advice.
NTA but that is a manlet in your pic
5'9 and he PR'd 410... while avoiding gaining """"mass"""" the entire time.
yeah it is impressive
the thing is most of the fit boomers still latch on to the terrible memes like
- you need to be first a fat shitter to put on muscle
- cardio melts muscle
- you have to do constant bulk-cut cycles, which is just a thing roidshitters used when preparing for their gay bodybuilding competitions
It's factually correct and your example only proves my point.
Your strawman argument is that you can't gain weight without a caloric surplus and enough protein. Everyone knows that you muppet. You're the moron who unironically thinks gaining 2lbs a week is a good idea because you "can't get strong" without doing so.
You cannot get strong without putting on mass. In order to build muscle you need the correct matter in order to build the muscle and in enough amounts to be considered a surplus. The act of gaining muscle will make you gain mass as the nutrients absorbed from outside of your body become incorporated into your body. You cannot get around this. This isn't up for debate.
>You need to eat a caloric surplus with enough protein to gain muscle if you start skinny.
literally nobody ever disagreed with that you dumb fat homosexual
You have to build mass in order to build muscle. The human body naturally build fat in the anabolic process alongside muscle. In order to maximize muscle growth capacity to shorten the amount of training time needed, it's required for you to put on fat. There is no avoiding this. Cutting the fat as it comes is just how some do it. Cutting the fat after the program is completed is how others do it. You cannot get around it no matter how much you whine.
Thanks man I'll start GOMAD today. Does chocolate milk count? Can I do 2 gallons?
I accept your concession.
NTA, but you obviously have not read SS and do not understand it and do not understand who GOMAD is appropriate for. You also are completely neglecting that SS is a book about technique and the programming is secondary.
But stay mad and weak i guess :^)
pretty pathetic that you would use your phone along with your PC to reply twice in 14 seconds xD
enjoy your 2 lbs of """"mass"""" a week fatties
I gained 50 lbs and still have abs. Cope.
roiders/blacks don't count
we're different anons but I'm not fat but I'm pstrong :^). Ty rip for showing me the way~~~~~~~
did you gain 2lbs a week? if not you weren't following the program.
Well that's not true and you haven't read the book. And once again, SS is mostly about technique.
If you complained to Rip that you weren't making gains and he found out you weren't eating at a massive caloric surplus he would roast you. SS is about heavy compound lifts and a massive caloric surplus.
And?
Gotta eat big to get big.
I see you didn't even read the thread and just wanted to post a webm of you squatting. Mission accomplished moron.
>projecting this hard
>thinking I'm a powershitter
I thought that much would be obvious.
You're not even responding to me and it's me in the webm :^) i only wrote the comments about technique
my apologies friend you're not moronic
No, you're wrong and the book explicitly talks about how fat people should not be gaining weight on the program.
If you're 150lbs and 6'0 you absolutely should be eating large surplus. That's where GOMAD comes from. And why would you not want to? A skinny kid can go from n1pl8-4pl8 diddly in 4 months like that.
no shit. this whole autism fest started with this picture
of a kid who got fat and morons claiming you have to get fat to build muscle and strength.
You got utterly destroyed and admitted defeat. There's nothing to argue, as you manufacture all sorts of lies about your opponents to their faces instead of making a coherent point. Anyone sane can tell by the low-IQ posts which posts are yours and they can easily surmise that you're in here for quick responses and to scream obscenities as you quickly lose any credibility you might've been falsely perceived to have held.
I thought you were just shitposting about my concession. I guess just you're genuinely that moronic.
btw i wrote the comment of SS being about technique and here i am demonstrating it! point your nipples to the floor when you squat!
I'm probably the only guy in the world who has access to dumbbells, a hex bar, and a machine that has a bar (and pulleys) but no actual free bar so I have to do all these programs on the back of a napkin.
I'm doing them all dumbbell and just doing 15x5 bodyweight squats because I'm 325 lbs.
didn't mean to reply.
You're literally a skinny DYEL, so probably. Only a reet would type something that stupid.
I'm almost doing gomad because I hate eating so I need to drink my calories and yoghurt is cheap protein. Drinking a liter of yoghurt two times a day hurts my soul and bowels, but it is what it is I guess.
Nice reading comprehension you fat frickup.
embarrassing, just stop, go pick and read Starting Logic or something lmfao
He doesn't know about Jeff Nippard's secret Recomp formula. It's secret knowledge that is not available to the public openly.
brah I bulked up to 77kg about 1 year ago and I was skinnyfat, now I'm the same weight but twice as lean and stronger
What a moronic reply
Now if he cut and does isolation he will look fine. Gotta bulk first and SS is good in that regard ie building mass.
dumbass Black person argument
why not bulk without negleting half of your fricking body right off the bat?
I think it's great for casual beginners as long as you don't bulk to oblivion alongside it. For people who don't have any sort of foundation of strength, it's an awesome way to start and then transition into something better later down the line. Although I do it like:
3x5 Bench
3x5 Squat
3x5 OHP
3x5 Deadlift
A lot of people will want to hit the gym only once or twice a week if they're casuals, and asking more of them right off the bat is a recipe for disaster and failure. If one or two days per week is all they'll give you, a full body compound routine like SS is the best bet.
t. Gym owner/trainer
Doing 3x5 OHP and BP on the same day isn’t sustainable. I could do it for awhile then my shoulder and elbow started hurting. I now do 3x5 OHP and 3x8 incline on the same day as well as 3x5 BP and 3x8 OHP on the same. But I’m also a 40yr natty boomer who took a few years off and has muscle memory
That is not the SS program.
You really have no business commenting on a proram where you havent read the book.
The SS program is ahnds down THE EBST program for ALL< beginners, regardless of goals. Aft 6-18 mionths, a different program may suit your highly spoecialised and super unique needs. Nevertheless, you will never regretL: 1) buying and reading the entire book 2) learning how to properly lift and why 3) learning and understanding the basics of programming for lifting.
If you dont understand the words I used to justify my position, then you have no business replying. nxmdam
>nxmdam
At last, I truly see.
Why are you replying to me homosexual? There’s nothing wrong with adding high rep incline or shoulder work on SS as accessories
It's good because people should deadlift 4pl8 before they start telling us their 4 hour, 6x PPL routine is actually better with only the cost of it taking 5x as long per week to do (they deadlift 2pl8)
its fine cico is important tho
>ego lifting the video
just get spotter moron
its a great routine for beginners. its not a good routine to follow for years, nor was it designed for that.
literally just slap on some arm work and youre golden.
>Is Starting Strength a good routine for casual beginners
Yes.
>or just a meme?
It can be a meme if you treat Starting Strength as Intermediate Bodybuilding, but the bigger meme will be the person with such an abysmal reading comprehension he can't understand the what it says on the fricking tin, or in this case, the cover.
>the bigger meme will be the person with such an abysmal reading comprehension he can't understand the what it says on the fricking tin
It literally tells you to eat 8000 calories a day. Who's the one not reading the book?
STARTING
=to begin
STRENGTH
=to move mass
Not BODYBUILDING 4 BEGINNERS or STARTING OTTERMODE or LOOKING LIKE A FINE ASS homosexual ON THE BEACH
dumbass
the fact that it's in the sticky has been a disaster for IST
What program did you use?
PPL without the leg day, I also run 30-40 km a week, I put on 7 kg (15 lbs) in 8 months
Yeah because the majority of IST is irredeemably moronic.
You’re supposed to do it for half a year, to learn the basic lifts and to gain strength, you don’t have to follow the fricking bulking diet Rippletit made for skelly who want to become linebackers. It’s fricking obvious.
honestly, in my experience it is good to do until you max out without bulking (normally a few months). Then switch to higher volume and add in dips and chinups for a nice physique
don't start with 3x5 though instead 5x5. 3x5 is pathetically low volume
>honestly, in my experience
your experience doesn't matter because N=1 you're weak and say stupid things like "add more volume" as you advance. Lol
>don't start with 3x5 though instead 5x5
5x5 is fine for the bench and OHP but for squats+DL it's gonna be really brutal
5x5 as a novice is moron tier. intermediate and adv lifters doing "5x5" dont use the same weight you moronic fricking mong
What about 2 warmups and 3x10 working sets in your VERY first few weeks.
>3x5 is pathetically low volume
if you want more volume then do a drop set or two for higher reps
No one who has actually done the program thinks it needs more volume
YES ffs if you can bench 315 right off the bat, squat 425, do a bro split, you are strong enough with a decent strength base where a program like ss is probably not your thing, although you will still get stronger, this program was made for the dyel and old lady who wants to gain strength.
If you wanna be a power bottom yeah
What are your goals?
it is
read the book
de the program
get your fahves
No, everyone who does it eventually realizes it's shit:
That video was made by someone who doesn't understand what starting strength is trying to achieve. You are not supposed to keep doing this program after completion.
The video is by an SSC so I think he gets it. But he's also a disgruntled SSC who was never a good lifter. Most SSCs are in fact not great lifters, but it has nothing to do with SS. The book is 90% about technique. The programming is secondary, and saying it doesn't work is moronic because it's the simplest shit ever.
Ripplebreasts needs to be arrested for crimes against humanity
It's designed for beginners to teach them proper techniques for using barbells. If you're a beginner looking to get strong and you have access to a barbell, starting strength is perfect for you. You may move on to other programs to further develop your body when you reach intermediate status after completion of this program, in roughly 6-9 months.
day a 3x10 squat, bench, row
day b 3x10 deadlift, overhead press, pull ups
that's it dude now go get jacked, you can hit intermediate level just with that
It does what its's supposed to do. It got me from being an anorexic vegetarian soccer player to squatting twice bodyweight in 8 months and I didn't have to take his shitty diet advice to do it. The technical analysis of the lifts is spot on and a valuable read.
However, essentially as a program it just takes advantage of noob gains that would have happened almost as well with any consistent effort and proper recovery. It lacks upper bod volume and after the first few months it needs to be changed up. It also assumes you don't work on your feed 4 hours a week and can recover like a year old young man. Doing similar programming with more recovery time is better for most.
Don't ever listen to anyone who describes something as "just a meme". They lack the comprehension and descriptive power to make their own point, assuming they even have one.
In short, run the program loosely for 4-6 months then switch to something with a little more purpose to it
Like other have mentioned it's not some program that you're going to get jacked with. I started my lifting career with starting strength with literally no barbell movement experience. It works to develop your body memory of the barbell movements and when you hit the wall you either switch to the texas method or to another intermediate program.
One thing that grinds my gears is it's fashionable to clown on SS yet every other strength based linear progression program is straight up ripping off SS. Look at Alan Thrall, he was a Rippatoe dickrider along with his 'trainers' at Barbell Medicine then all of a sudden they start plugging their own program and disavowing SS but their program is the same god damn thing as SS.
It's a good beginner routine for about 12 weeks
Running it longer is dumb
Eating so much you get fat is dumb
Basically how the typical ISTgay would do it leads to suboptimal results but thats every routine tbqdesu
Black person
It's probably the best usage of your time if you're a total DYEL trying to start (hence the name) lifting seriously. 6 months on the program (depending on age, athletic base etc) is about right.
>BUT THEY COULD JUST START WITH A BODYBUILDING PROGRAM INSTEAD AND...
Ok. I know what I've actually observed in dozens of commercial gyms across multiple states/countries. Can a regular joe start bodybuilding right off the bat and eventually get aesthetic? I'm sure it happens sometimes, but the vast, vast, majority of men who try waste years spinning their plates and doing zero intensity machine fluff with no results. I see it every single day. Guys who have been going to the gym for ages but are doing 3x10 machine fly/pec deck/bicep machine/wrist curl/leg extention bullshit with the same weight as when they started. This is most guys I see in the gym. Strength programs (doesn't have to be Starting Strength, any good program) aren't the be all end all but they teach beginners that they actually need to do hard shit sometimes to put on any muscle.
The diet advice is a meme though, I will concede that. Just eat 300-500 calories over your TDEE (at most) like Mentzer said.
I've done SS for about 7 months, I'll admit that looking good is a priority for me, not simply gaining strength. So, what would be a good program to do next?
learn the principles of hypertrophy and make your own program
How would you go about doing this in a way superior to starting strength? Provide examples.
For starters, nobody who cares about their looks more than strength should be squatting 3 times a week.
What about people who value strength or performance?
What about people who care more about strength than looks? Learn the principles of strength training and make your own program.
Cool, let's not get away from the topic.
How would you go about doing this
in a way superior to starting strength? Provide examples.
How would you adjust your exercise selection, volume, frequency, and intensity instead of following Starting Strength? Was that your question? moron.
good for you powershitter. nobody asked.
Fricking homosexuals. I want to look big and lift big, I don’t care about looking like a dryed out twink.
Jeff Nippard, Eric Helms
It's hard to tell whether something looks shitty because it stands on its own merits or whether it's just shitty. It's like a nonfiction ebook that some guy self publishes. Sure, it could be super high quality autistic gold. Or it could simply be schizo. The new programmer at work might have a ponytail and a neckbeard cuz he's a programming god, alternately he could just be a mediocre moron. Starting Strength is like that, it's all passionate old fat dudes, low production quality etc. It might be good or it might suck.
I ran SS when I started out as a teen. It did a great job of drilling in the concept of progressive overload and getting me into the habit of consistently doing the big compounds, I got stronger, and did gain some size. It is THE most basic, casual novice lifter routine ever. It's good but you should probably move on to another program within a year, and for the love of God don't overeat eat like a moron.
Its okay but you have to be on creatine to succeed in the program
its a great book.
fatties like goblina get filtered by the blue book
So I've been on SS for around 20 years, deloaded and reset about 200 times. Things are going pretty well, think I'm well on my way to becoming an intermediate lifter. Girls have started to notice too, just the other day I heard some ladies at the gym refer to me as "T-Rex"- the alpha predator! Gonna keep going for a bit, see how far I can push it. Thanks Mr Rippletoe!
its good if you've never walked into a gym before but decided you want to become a powerlifter (although no moron absolute beginner off the street will be able to do power cleans or pendalay rows with correct form)
Both. It's a good routine but there's a more options out there that you might like better.
What is Starting Strength? Some Crossfit thing?