Is there a way to lose weight permanently?

For those who aren't aware: If you were overweight during adolescence, you probably have a higher number of fat cells than a slim person. When you lose weight, your number of fat cells doesn't decrease, only their size. Fat cells then fight hormonally to increase your hunger until they're full again. It's the reason everyone on the Biggest Loser gained all the weight back. So while it is technically physically possible to lose weight and keep it off forever with a high number of fat cells, it's possible in the same way it's possible to hold your breath until you die.

So what I'm wondering is, have there been any new developments since I last looked at the subject several years ago? Something besides liposuction that will decrease your overall number of fat cells and allow for sustained weight loss?

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Fat cells then fight hormonally to increase your hunger until they're full again. It's the reason everyone on the Biggest Loser gained all the weight back.
    holy cope lmao just stfu and stop eating shit and move more

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Like I said, it's infeasible in the same way it's infeasible to hold your breath until you die. Your body's feedback is overwhelming, which is why virtually everyone, ever, who slimmed down from obesity became obese again.

      Just get liposuction then or stfu

      There's that cryogenesis shit that freezes your fat cells to kill them off, dunno how effective it is tho

      Look into Cool sculpting anon

      Maybe I should have said this in the OP, but the problem with treatments like this that cause adipocyte apoptosis by destroying them is that they don't affect your body's set point, and it tries to grow new cells to compensate for them. This can lead to fat deposition in dangerous areas, like around the heart.

      Brainlet here
      Is this real?

      Yes. See:
      https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/fat-cell-numbers-teen-years-linger-lifetime
      https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2017/02/17/are-fat-cells-forever/

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >which is why virtually everyone, ever, who slimmed down from obesity became obese again
        well if you have to lie then this thread is useless and nothing anyone will tell you will help
        so long gay bowser

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          If you have counterexamples, go ahead and post them. Every study on weight loss has shown that the people who lost it eventually gained it back.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Also, this is N = 1, but for fasting google Angus Barbieri. He did an over year long fast to go from morbidly obese to a normal weight and over the rest of his life he only regained 10 lbs from his end of fasting weight. There are probably more examples out there.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              I really want to know what exactly the "yeast" he ate while fasting was, and how much. I don't think they had nutritional yeast back then, did they? So it would have been baker/brewer's yeast?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Same. The biggest danger of fasting afaik is muscle wasting, which includes heart wasting that leads to heart failure, so if he found some way to get amino acids and prevent that without getting his body out of fasting mode....

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            me, i was fat, now i am slim, i stayed slim, maybe i am genetically superior thought

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >If you have counterexamples, go ahead and post them.
            me 🙂

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >so long gay bowser
          It always sounded exactly like "shalom, ye bounty" to me.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angus_Barbieri%27s_fast#:~:text=in%20September%201990.-,Record,force%2Dfed%20during%20this%20period.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Guinness no longer officially endorses records relating to fasting for fear of encouraging unsafe behaviour
            >literally saved a guy
            >unsafe behaviour
            i smell garden gnomery

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        It is actual measurable effort for weight loss, bariatrics, lipo, and skin removal, and fork put downs. I am not denying fat cells wanting to fill back up but removing the cells and the tent they gather in is enough with discipline. But that is do you want to be thin or do you want to be a sideshow victim like boogie1488. That is why good doctors force you to go to a psychologist before you can get your stomach carved out. They want to make sure you have the real resolve. Others just want the pay check and will let you ride the knife till you die or run out of money/government hand outs.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Why are you trying to have a reasonable discussion with retards on IST? All they're going to say is "cope fatty just have more willpower." They don't view the world through a rational lens that involves taking into account the biological and material circumstances of people who overeat. They view it in more of a biblical lens where the downfall of the hated fatty is brought on by his own degenerate morality and lack of willpower.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Don't eat retard
          >t. Former 180lbs manlet

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >They don't view the world through a rational lens that involves taking into account the biological and material circumstances of people who overeat.
          "material circumstances" bro eating clean and undereating are both way cheaper, if you genuinely think any fat person above 20 is a victim of their circumstances then just 41% urself

          there is smth to be said about those with thyroid issues, but thats <1% of fatties

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Well, IST used to be like this

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >here’s why I will never succeed no matter how hard I try, and neither will you
        >Satan trips

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Like I said, it's infeasible in the same way it's infeasible to hold your breath until you die. Your body's feedback is overwhelming, which is why virtually everyone, ever, who slimmed down from obesity became obese again.
        That is not quite how it works. You are exaggerating the effects of this. Once you lost weight and you stay at your new body weight your body stabilizes there, including your hunger hormones and signaling and you reach a new homeostasis where you will not walk around being hungry. The danger that you overeat is there and you probably have to watch your caloric intake for ever and weight your self regularly because if you do not you will slowly start adding weight without you being aware of it. There is also the danger of binging. But outside of that maintaining a lean healthy physique is not this impossible task that you are bound to fail which you makes it out to be. At least that is my understanding of it which might be wrong. The reason those fat fucks regained their weight in the Biggest Loser series is because when they where done with the show they returned back to their previous environment and old habits. If they had lost weight while living their normal day to day life they probably would have an easier time keeping the weight off.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >don't affect your body's set point, and it tries to grow new cells to compensate for them. This can lead to fat deposition in dangerous areas, like around the heart.
        This part is literally cope. Liposuction removes the hunger inducing hormonal urge you noted in the OP which is very real. There is no persistent set point once the excess fat is removed. What happens is that only fat cells can produce new fat cells, so if the patient refuses to stop being a slob he will grow fat in typically less fatty areas, such as around the heart. Liposuction can only be part of the solution, the other part is not being a degenerate

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Why don't fat cells grow in those areas when people gain weight who haven't had liposuction?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      fpbp, basic thermodynamics mogs all fads

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        No one, anywhere, has said that you won't lose weight if you consume less calories than you expend.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          No, but op thinks people regain the weight they lost because of their fat cells or whatever. Not because they started eating like far pigs again.
          The people on the Biggest Loser weren't taught healthy habits. They were forced to cras diet and workout like crazy. No shit they were gonna regain the weight.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            The fat cells literally block satiety hormones and don't stop until they're full again. People who have lost weight essentially stay in a constant state of hunger until they regain it.

            Having bad habits could explain the people on the biggest loser as a single, exceptional incident. But it can't explain why every dietary intervention has extremely high levels of recidivism.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              source on increased fat cells resulting in ghrelin/leptin imbalance? Reading up on satiety hormones and it seems that fasting or just using appetite suppressants would do the trick, although i don't know

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                from what i've read it seems it's ghrelin that signals satiation and there's nothing that indicated that an increased amount of fat cells means hungrier, it's just a chemical imbalance with those.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Ghrelin causes hunger, leptin stops it.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                yeah i mixed it up but i'm still not finding where OP got "increased fat cells = more ghrelin"

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              > The fat cells literally block satiety hormones and don't stop until they're full again. People who have lost weight essentially stay in a constant state of hunger until they regain it.
              I don’t care what some stupid science bitch says, this is untrue. I’ve lost a considerable amount of weight and have kept it off, I’m not constantly starving or anything even close to that.
              Quit being a retard gay and making excuses for fatties

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              To get 300+ pounds you're not just hungry you're using food as a coping source. These people aren't eating until they're full, they're packing it in even when it's uncomfortable. Recovering fatties need to resolve the underlying anxiety and stress that is causing them to cope using food. Interestingly the Biggest Loser show actually touched on that topic because basically every contestant had a history of abuse or other mental problems like a woman who made every person's problem her own with some sort of savior complex.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      fpbp this works for 0.1% of people who try it, CICO must be the truth

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Trips of truth

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Based

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just get liposuction then or stfu

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    There's that cryogenesis shit that freezes your fat cells to kill them off, dunno how effective it is tho

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Look into Cool sculpting anon

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Look into Cool sculpting anon
      Some people get paradoxical adipose hyperplasia (PAH) from cool sculpting. Like model Linda Evangalista who went into hiding after her procedure.
      PAH causes fat to increase in the area instead of shrink, leaving people deformed looking.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Cool sculpting is a mass marketed watered down version of the true procedure which involves injected freezing which spot reduces fat. Like all trends and mass appeal ideas across all things it is utter garbage.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Brainlet here
    Is this real?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Probably yes, still op is a retard and it will not affect us that were obese some time ago

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        It depends on when you were obese. Fat cell count is plastic in childhood, but becomes set during adolescence. So if you were obese as a child but lost the weight before, say, 14, you'd be fine. Likewise, if you were slim at 14 and became obese in your 20s, you would probably have a good chance of losing that weight too.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Didn't read
          Wagmi

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not trying to depress anyone. I'm trying to be realistic and, ideally, figure out some way to overcome this biological limitation.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Test, hcg, hgh, tren, anavar. Make the body think it is a teenager again.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Muscle beats fat in competition

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    So much mental gymnastics. I guess someone needs an excuse for why they failed their cut for the summer this year.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is just how it works. You'd have to do mental gymnastics to come to a different conclusion after reading all the data.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    You do realize cells die right?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yes. It's called the turnover rate. Adipocytes replenish at the same rate they die. Interestingly, both the death rate and replenishment rate are higher among obese people.

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Is there any way to lose weight permanently?
    Yeah, diet.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Not diet, they think that means something you do for a week. It is a permanent change to how you eat. The real meaning diet.

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    its called low metabolism. starving yourself won't fix that, that is why their fat comes back. Its amazing how many ways people rationalize hypothyroidism away.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Do you have any studies on this?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        what specifically? hypothyroidism and weight gain? or the prevalence of it?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Something that shows a specific link and how strong it is, like blood work for obese individuals, or an actual controlled experiment where hypothyroidism is induced and body fat is measured later.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            the problem is that what counts as "hypothyroid" has changed in the last 60 years. Mainstream medicine will only accept TSH as a valid measurement, EVEN when it has been clearly shown to miss people who clearly have it.

            Call me crazy, but the idea that subclinical hypothyroidism might be more widespread makes a bit more sense than "people just spontaneously all decided to be gluttons"

            if you want studies, literally just google "hypothyroidism obesity" my man

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      So having low metabolism means it’s impossible for you to lose weight? That actually sounds like a superpower. You can walk, run, lift weights, without ever needing to eat anything. Your body found a way to defy all laws of physics and has infinite energy. It’s a remarkable accomplishment and I don’t see what you’re whining about

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Autophagy bros we win again

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Could you explain what you mean? Sounds interesting.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        ->> >67042812

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >

          do keto+intermittent fasting until you hit your weight then switch to intermittent fasting alone and do dry fasts to kill those cells

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I lost 40lbs in 2018 and have holding steady since.
    Cope harder fattie.

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The key is fasting. Don't know if it literally destroys the fat cells, but its a tool that's more than powerful enough to let a person remain lean for life if they commit to it as a lifelong practice.
    Lost 50 lbs from it and kept it off for a year so far. I intend to do a couple 48 hour fasts every week and OMAD the other days.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This might be true. There are rodent studies that long fasts (72 hours for them) can actually reduce fat cell count.

      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4895052/

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I think its possible, due to what I've heard about autophagy, but I didn't want to assert it as truth in my post since I don't know for sure. I'm not surprised to see that study however.
        But yeah even if it doesn't reduce fat cell count in humans, I would still contend its a potent enough weight-control tool to let you overcome the consequences of having been fat before. One has to commit to fasting as a lifelong practice however. There are people who gain back a lot of weight after they fast it all off, but these people think they're "done" after their fasts when they've hit their goal weight and go back to their old eating habits. I'd be shocked if anyone could be found who's obese despite verifiably maintaining fasting as a lifelong practice, by that I mean at least a 48 hour fast every week with OMAD or IF the other days.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Allowing food manufacturers to sell absolute garbage food with seed oils and corn syrup is the main culprit for the obesity trend, Mcdonalds used to use beef tallow before switching seed oils. You also see native americans introduced alcohol and it has absolutely wreaked havoc on them. Yeah it's great to preach self-discipline and all but having to reverse these habits i was ingrained with as a child and avoiding fast food/soda, etc. is rough

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah I get its rough believe me. I think garbage foods are a huge issue too. But I do think its about shifting a person's mindset towards fasting too. If you see it as a negative thing you're doomed to fail, you have to find a way to enjoy fasting and see it as the necessary counterbalance to eating. Too much of anything is bad for the body. Enjoy both the fasts and the feasts. A 48 hour fast or two a week is not bad especially if you get to enjoy healthy, delicious foods when you do eat.
            For the sodas, as a former soda addict myself try to replace them with something you enjoy almost as much. I use zevias and zero calorie vitamin water. Both almost scratch the itch of soda in different ways.
            For fast food cook healthy versions of it yourself at home. You really can do it bro, you can be lean and still enjoy your life and I think if that message was shared more, instead of the punitive self-discipline message, it would help a lot more people. Fasting is a great thing and so is eating healthy foods. I'm not missing out on anything.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        yeah but isnt 72h like 3 weeks when compared to a human? rat metabolism is different

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Then fast for 3 weeks

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Apparently drinking water while fasting allows the cells to dispose of the unused fat cells as there’s just water being ingested

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    you excuse filled gay. You permanently lose weight by permanently changing your eating habits, of course you gain it back when you return to previous habits.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      You don't understand what a fat cell is and how it works. Fat cells are like batteries and your body will add more of them, like grapes on a vine, as you gain weight. But as your body burns the fat and you lose weight, the cells don't get burned they just get deflated as their fat is used up. So your body has an involuntary process where once there are a high number of deflated fat cells it releases chemicals that increase hunger, block satiety, and crashes your resting metabolism to nothing. So you will be hungry, tired and weak all the time until you get back to your original weight and more. This process was how people survived famines historically, but today it's just troublesome, and why it's so difficult to lose weight and keep it off long term.

      Give this a read
      https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/02/health/biggest-loser-weight-loss.html

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >This process was how people survived famines historically
        Are you fucking real? You just made a point that humans have a fucking mechanism which makes them unwillingly fat, slow and gain weight and this is something that makes us survive better. If you are on deficit, you may be weaker than normal, but you don't have to regain your fucking gut to feel okay. Just do some fucking cardio, fatloss doesn't magically deplete you out of energy, it is lack of simple sugars and huge caloric surplus that makes you behave like a kid with ADHD

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >You just made a point that humans have a fucking mechanism which makes them unwillingly fat, slow and gain weight and this is something that makes us survive better.
          when food is scarce it most definitely does. Having a low resting metabolism makes you starve to death slower but also makes you feel like shit.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Weak willed loser. Today is the first day of the rest of your life. Make a fucking change already or keep reading articles about why fat loss is so difficult.

        I hate you.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          where did I say I was fat or that I use this as an excuse not to lose weight? Stop projecting you fat fuck.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >So your body has an involuntary process where once there are a high number of deflated fat cells it releases chemicals that increase hunger, block satiety, and crashes your resting metabolism to nothing.
        Wtf are you talking about.
        Leptin is produced by fat cells. By your logic the more you have fat cells, the more leptin there should be produced.
        What are "chemical that increase hunger"?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          look up leptin resistance btw if you knew anything about signals living complex organisms use you would have realized that you answered your own question

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Eat less than you or at maintenance forever.

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just don‘t eat over your TDEE you fat piece of shit.

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    do keto+intermittent fasting until you hit your weight then switch to intermittent fasting alone and do dry fasts to kill those cells

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, have a nice day

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Fatty cope, I lost 70lbs and they stayed off.

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I was 154lbs at 6'1 until the age of 19, I wouldn't want to be that thin again but 167 seems ideal and I find it hard to get there.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      at 6 1 you should be 185 if you have some muscle are you a dyel?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Definitely am dyel by IST standards, I'm about 3/4 of the way down these progressions. And I do some rucking. I weigh 180 atm. Last year when I was getting lots of attention from girls I was 170, above that I simply don't have the rugged bone structure to much carry fat on my face.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >to much carry fat on my face
          ok this is important, having a chiseled face is better than chiseled abs or bulky muscles, consider trying out omad

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I used high protein omad last year to get to 170 from 190, it's great, I wasn't hungry at all after a couple of weeks.
            I feel genetically fortunate in many ways, but when it comes to chiseled face these Irish potato genes really stink lol. I'm planning to bulk with a simultaneous cope beard in august so that I can raise the baseline weight where I'm low bodyfat. Seriously being lean faced is like a cheat code in life, that spammer is right, I looked like Apollo or the guy that plays Homelander, can't believe I let myself go again in the winter.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      if you're not lifting then 155 is perfect imo

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    This is why anybody trying to lose substantial amounts of weight should focus on gaining muscle and overall muscle/fat body recomposition when they work on losing the weight.

    Gaining muscle and getting an exercise routine drastically helps keeping the weight off.

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I have kept weight off for 12 years I was morbidly obese 6ft at 350 at one point now 215 never went back I am fat phobic like a mother fucker. Just don't be a bitch.

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I was very overweight during early and middke adolescence, 10-16 years old. Lost all of it and I really have to fight urges and restrict myself, or I'll get fat again.
    But, I do it. Why? Because nothing is worth more than being physically attractive and feeling strong and athlethic. Suck it up and restrain yourself, or forever resign yourself to fatness and misery.
    The increased number of fat cells is maybe the reason why my abs are still kinda blurry, though.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Do you experience urges or hunger? Are the urges the same as hunger, or the two different?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I experience both. Hunger is a pretty nice feeling for me, because it signifies an empty and flat stomach, which was a very foreign thing to me as a teen.
        I feel urges whenever I smell or see tasty food. When alone, I always try to resist them, and I succeed 99.9% of the time. When at parties or with families, I eat in order to not be a buzzkill, and exercise or fast to get rid of those extra calories.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      nothing tastes better than thin

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Op is retarded had an uncle who was obese as kid and eventually got well into 200 lbs as an adult. He eventuality lost all the weight and has kept it off with a proper diet and exercise

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    holy shit the fatty cope is unreal

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    how about you just stop being a fatass
    t. ex fatass

  28. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I was a fat kid thanks to my retard mom cooking like a mental patient running a restaurant and I'm always hungry but I also hate the cunt so I don't eat to spite her.

    >aaaaaaaaah what you didn't have lunch YOU'RE ANOREXIC

    fuck off, cunt

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      At least your mom cooked, my childhood diet was poptarts and Mountain Dew for breakfast, lunchables for lunch, and McDonald’s for dinner. Goyslop 24/7 for 13 years

  29. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >It's the reason everyone on the Biggest Loser gained all the weight back.
    lol yeah, THAT's the reason lmao

  30. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's one thing being a weak-willed fatass cunt who's actively killing himself by spending every awake second stuffing his fat and filthy mouth with greasy and unhealthy foods. That is only pathetic.
    It's another thing being a weak-willed miserable loser who's actively trying to make other people feel as miserable as him so he doesn't feel so bad about being a fat subhuman anymore. That's not only pathetic, but also evil, and warrants a place in hell.

  31. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    if you do holocaust levels of fasting, i dont see why those fat cells wouldnt just delete themselves

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      How would fake fasting help anything?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        lying burns more calories than telling the truth

  32. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    the only reason the fattest losers regained weight is because they ate the same as when they where fat

    their metabolism did not slow down at all if compared to other people who where at their new weight

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      see

      You don't understand what a fat cell is and how it works. Fat cells are like batteries and your body will add more of them, like grapes on a vine, as you gain weight. But as your body burns the fat and you lose weight, the cells don't get burned they just get deflated as their fat is used up. So your body has an involuntary process where once there are a high number of deflated fat cells it releases chemicals that increase hunger, block satiety, and crashes your resting metabolism to nothing. So you will be hungry, tired and weak all the time until you get back to your original weight and more. This process was how people survived famines historically, but today it's just troublesome, and why it's so difficult to lose weight and keep it off long term.

      Give this a read
      https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/02/health/biggest-loser-weight-loss.html

      guy in that article's body only burns 1200 kcal/day, which is most definitely not normal

  33. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >the reason everyone on the biggest loser gained all their fat back
    Buddy shut the fuck up.

  34. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Eat less food and you will lose weight

  35. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Death

  36. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >So while it is technically physically possible to lose weight and keep it off forever with a high number of fat cells, it's possible in the same way it's possible to hold your breath until you die

    A tad dramatic mate.
    That's the same for drug addicts, you will have to restrain yourself your whole life. It sucks.
    Or dont and just be fat but that also suck.
    At least with the first way you get to feel some sense of accomplishment.

  37. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I used to be around 10% bodyfat from age 5 to 18.
    Then at 19 I fell for the working out and bulking to gain mass meme. from 19 to 43 my body fat averaged between 15 to probably 25 at the highest. I noticed that my mental health and libido deteriorated during this time.
    Then I came to a realization/theory than my body was created, molded and optimized to be at 10% bodyfat as that is what I was at during my formative years. Deviating from this bodyfat level would cause my body to not function optimally in terms of hormones and other things, causing mental and libido issues.
    At the start of this year I decided to cut back down to 10% body fat. I'm at about 12 now, and already I notice an increase in libido. The downside is I'm going back to skelly mode, but at 44 I don't really care to be honest.

  38. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    There’s two ways. Lipo, or get to sub 15% (more like 10-12%) and stay there for a decade. There’s evidence and literature suggesting and even proving that after roughly 8 years the body will kill off those unused fat cells.

  39. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I was fat all my life and dieted down from 320 to 192 at 6'1" between the ages of 25 and 27 and eventually settled around a more muscular 220. I had no issue maintaining that weight, but every time I dropped below that I'd become increasingly food-focused until I went back up to 220. I was always lifting heavy though, so at least I put on muscle too. I wasn't able to drop down to 198 and actually have a six-pack until I got on test and semaglutide, the latter of which was an absolute game-changer unlike any other appetite suppressant I tried. I would get hungry on a cut, but it was a purely physical sensation. I wouldn't be thinking about food constantly or overeating past the point of fullness. It was my first glimpse into what hunger is like for people who didn't grow up fat. Now I'm at a lean 210 and have maintained that for a year without the semaglutide (still cruising on 150mg test/wk though). The "set point" that people refer to is real, but can be shifted with enough time spent at a given body fat %. It has nothing to do with metabolism and everything to do with hormones dictating satiety.

    My overall point being that we are meat sacks of chemicals and hormones and that anyone who denies those dictate our behavior is a retard or being willfully ignorant for the memes. That doesn't mean someone shouldn't try to lose weight, or that they can't keep it off, but recognizing the reality of what's at play in dictating someone's relation to food is essential in allowing them to lose the weight and keep it off.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Hello can you please touch more on why you started test? Did you have blood work done prior to starting and we’re your levels low? Do you self prescribe through underground or get doc prescribed?

      I’m 26 pretty much the same story as you even similar stats (6’1” down to 240lbs rn). But I feel like I’ve been spinning my wheels the last 6 months as I’ve made zero progress. I’ve had all the low test symptoms for years even before I put the fat on. Recently managed to hookup with a 9/10 and couldn’t keep it up. My recovery isn’t what it used to be when I was 20 but only being 26 I shouldn’t feel sore for 7 days off light weight and only 2-3 sets. Takes me over and hour to get out of bed in the morning. Constantly fatigued. Anxious, depressed. No longer have that drive I used to have to just achieve and succeed.
      Really frustrated because I decided to finally see if it was my test and had blood work done and I never got my results. Went through my doctor, was told they’d call me, it’s been 2 fucking weeks even checked in and was told to just wait for my phone call.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Hello can you please touch more on why you started test?
        I wanted to maintain a bigger & leaner physique than what is achievable natty.
        >Did you have blood work done prior to starting and we’re your levels low?
        I got bloodwork done through quest diagnostics, and my free/total test levels were within the normal range. I mainly got that done so I could dial in my cruise dose to put me at high natty levels. I would have hopped on roids regardless of the results.
        >Do you self prescribe through underground or get doc prescribed?
        UGL, on my cruise dose of 150mg test U/wk it only costs me $15/month tops. Once a week injections so it's very easy.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >I would have hopped on roids regardless of the results.
          That’s essentially where I am now. Can you detail what you’ve experienced so far? Mainly with fitness, overall health, mental, social, sex

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Honestly the benefits of trt-dose test are so subtle that I can't really attribute a whole lot to that since I wasn't coming from a low-test state in the first place. I can talk about blast doses, though.
            >fitness
            easier recovery, greater work capacity. I still don't grow if I'm not eating at a surplus, and roids do little to help with fat loss beyond superior nutrient partitioning which you really only need low-dose test for unless you're massive.
            >overall health
            I really have to stay on top of my cardio and stretching. When I bulked over winter on tren, my calves got so big that chronic compartment syndrome kept me from running for a few months because the muscle outgrew the fascia. I'm good now though. I've seen longitudinal studies that claim to show that high-natty levels of test are not demonstrably detrimental to overall health over the course of decades, but going higher than that is not healthy and you really have to mind your diet/bp/cardio in order to mitigate the effects of superphysiological levels of androgens.
            >mental
            Pre-roids I would have very few days where I woke up genuinely feeling good and ready to tackle the day. Those days are far more common now, and I'm less affected by stress and the occasional lack of sleep. I'm generally an anxious and paranoid person, but test (not blast doses) helps mitigate my tendency to worry. If my E2 is out of range (not an issue on a cruise) I turn into a drama queen.
            >social
            I'm more willing to seek out social situations, but the other changes I would attribute more to simply looking bigger & better than I used to.
            >sex
            Certain anabolics give me crazy erections - on Turinabol my wife was asking how my dick got so big. I assume it's a bloodflow thing. You'd be better off just buying cialis and dosing 5mg a day. Tren ruins my cardio capacity and I can't fuck for shit.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Honestly the benefits of trt-dose test are so subtle that I can't really attribute a whole lot to that since I wasn't coming from a low-test state in the first place. I can talk about blast doses, though.
            >fitness
            easier recovery, greater work capacity. I still don't grow if I'm not eating at a surplus, and roids do little to help with fat loss beyond superior nutrient partitioning which you really only need low-dose test for unless you're massive.
            >overall health
            I really have to stay on top of my cardio and stretching. When I bulked over winter on tren, my calves got so big that chronic compartment syndrome kept me from running for a few months because the muscle outgrew the fascia. I'm good now though. I've seen longitudinal studies that claim to show that high-natty levels of test are not demonstrably detrimental to overall health over the course of decades, but going higher than that is not healthy and you really have to mind your diet/bp/cardio in order to mitigate the effects of superphysiological levels of androgens.
            >mental
            Pre-roids I would have very few days where I woke up genuinely feeling good and ready to tackle the day. Those days are far more common now, and I'm less affected by stress and the occasional lack of sleep. I'm generally an anxious and paranoid person, but test (not blast doses) helps mitigate my tendency to worry. If my E2 is out of range (not an issue on a cruise) I turn into a drama queen.
            >social
            I'm more willing to seek out social situations, but the other changes I would attribute more to simply looking bigger & better than I used to.
            >sex
            Certain anabolics give me crazy erections - on Turinabol my wife was asking how my dick got so big. I assume it's a bloodflow thing. You'd be better off just buying cialis and dosing 5mg a day. Tren ruins my cardio capacity and I can't fuck for shit.

            Also I would go read r/steroids for peoples' experiences/stories. It's not cucked like the rest of reddit and is by far the best source for info I've seen online.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Honestly the benefits of trt-dose test are so subtle that I can't really attribute a whole lot to that since I wasn't coming from a low-test state in the first place. I can talk about blast doses, though.
              >fitness
              easier recovery, greater work capacity. I still don't grow if I'm not eating at a surplus, and roids do little to help with fat loss beyond superior nutrient partitioning which you really only need low-dose test for unless you're massive.
              >overall health
              I really have to stay on top of my cardio and stretching. When I bulked over winter on tren, my calves got so big that chronic compartment syndrome kept me from running for a few months because the muscle outgrew the fascia. I'm good now though. I've seen longitudinal studies that claim to show that high-natty levels of test are not demonstrably detrimental to overall health over the course of decades, but going higher than that is not healthy and you really have to mind your diet/bp/cardio in order to mitigate the effects of superphysiological levels of androgens.
              >mental
              Pre-roids I would have very few days where I woke up genuinely feeling good and ready to tackle the day. Those days are far more common now, and I'm less affected by stress and the occasional lack of sleep. I'm generally an anxious and paranoid person, but test (not blast doses) helps mitigate my tendency to worry. If my E2 is out of range (not an issue on a cruise) I turn into a drama queen.
              >social
              I'm more willing to seek out social situations, but the other changes I would attribute more to simply looking bigger & better than I used to.
              >sex
              Certain anabolics give me crazy erections - on Turinabol my wife was asking how my dick got so big. I assume it's a bloodflow thing. You'd be better off just buying cialis and dosing 5mg a day. Tren ruins my cardio capacity and I can't fuck for shit.

              I’ve been reading on and off about this stuff for a few years, I’m gonna hit up quest and have proper blood work done since my dr fucked me. There’s an old lifting forum I used to be on and gained so much trust they upgraded my membership to an elite trusted member which means I can see their hidden market. So I’ve got my source, I just need to get real bloods to see what I’m working with and then put my plan on paper.

              My loose plan depending on my levels is to start at 150mg (probably test e since I don’t mind pinning 2x a week), do blood work after 5 weeks, reassess, and continue on from there. I’ll have PCT on hand just in case but will probably buy more than enough for the year since I’ll be getting test doses for cycles.

              All goes well I suppose I would be open to the idea of a blast after my first year on it.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Sounds like a solid plan

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >all the low test symptoms
        which are?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Fatigue despite sleep/rest, weight gain especially in tits and spare tire even when exercising and maintenance eating, no libido, muscle loss, small peepee and balls pre-roids, mood swings, major depression, shit memory, micro-peepee only half chub or complete impotence, watery ejaculate, inability to stand up for yourself, increased estrogen from fat creating feed back loops. Fat childhood might as well be a puberty blocker to itself.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Fat childhood might as well be a puberty blocker to itself
            never discussed anywhere but true and huge

  40. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Fat cells then fight hormonally to increase your hunger until they're full again.

    Yeah no, you're a lying cunt and just made that up.

    t. ex fatso

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Post before and after
      >ends up being sub 18% bf

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/obr.12255

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yea, finally, after 100 replies you post a worthwile study that actually supports your original claim.
        The only question left unanswered is how important this mechanism is? How substantial is the metabolic change in "starving" individuals in regards to weight maintenance?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yea, finally, after 100 replies you post a worthwile study that actually supports your original claim.
        The only question left unanswered is how important this mechanism is? How substantial is the metabolic change in "starving" individuals in regards to weight maintenance?

        And another commentary:
        Both your claims are true, but do these mechanisms really complement each other? Does the increase in fat cell count matter for the "starvation" mode persistance? Or it would happen either way?

  41. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Pick any fat animal, put it on a calorie deficit diet and it will lose weight.
    Yet fatties, instead of doing this, they'll rather write a 1000 words essay of excuses and cope

  42. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Cool sculpting allegedly freezes and kills the fat cells which causes the body to treat them as waste and remove them from the body. But it's expensive as fuck and if you're a fat fuck that needs to remove fat cells you probably have excess skin which you'll also want to have removed.

  43. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Is there a way to lose weight permanently
    Cut off limbs. Easy, quick, permanent.

  44. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes there is a way to lose weight permanently
    you've gotta do fork put downs x 3 every day

  45. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    This whole thread is OP coping and trying to justify not growing, changing, or even trying.
    The body has multiple feedback systems, set-point theory isn't widely accepted (there is more evidence for "settling-point" than "set-point"), and the only reason any diet fails is adherence. People fail to adhere because their weightloss was either unsustainable or they're mentally ill. No exceptions.
    OP, I'm sorry you're desperate to find reasons for your failure outside yourself but you need therapy and maybe some meds. Other people who fail are the same: therapy and/or meds to address the utterly fucked inner monologue that tells you this can't be done because a bunch of other fatfucks tried and failed.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      OP here. I'm not trying to use this as an excuse. I'm not obese, just skinnyfat, but I really would like to lose weight and would be willing to knuckle down and take any measures necessary for it. That's why the OP is phrased as a question if anyone has found evidence that contradicts this understanding of fat cells, because that's what I WANT to happen. I WANT someone to post a study showing how to reduce fat cell number. But because people are assuming my motives are backwards they keep trying to give me tough love motivational speeches when the actual thing I would need to start a regimen is just any science that contradicts the adipocyte model IPI discussed.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Just diet and lift gay. If you want it to happen you can make it work

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Coming to fit to refute this is retarded in itself. Thing is people have given you the points that both agree with what you posted but can point to how to overcome the set back. The problem is you want to know “when can I stop?” The answer is never. One of the reasons why Dragon Ball is worshipped by fit weebs the world over is because the secret is in plain sight. You never stop, you never are satisfied. The fat comes back because you stop or stay the same. Being fat early puts extra hurdles in and isn’t fair. Nature is to decay, divinity is to build. I’m sorry op. If you are skinny fat you can roll the dice on cold sculpting but you probably should just go to lipo for your quick fix and then just do that every year or two if you don’t want be in the struggle. That or jump on gear and cruise but even that requires constant work on top of the injections. Or give up, eat more and become fat and happy and never look back to IST again. But you won’t do that because even as equity propaganda gets posted with morbidly fat women doing one yoga stretch, deep down you know that this celebration of mediocrity is a farce.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Or another way, you are coming to Jesus to ask what you must do to be saved and he says sell all you have and give it to the poor then, come, follow me. And you try and argue with him how that isn’t going to do anything in the future anyway.

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