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He has 125lbs you absolute fricking idiot. People as dumb as you shouldn't be allowed to learn martial arts, you're to moronic to have that responsibility.
I'll let you in on a secret, when they measure weight... it's actually much less than the real weight during the fight. It's less yet than their weight off season. Right now he probably weighs around ~200lbs.
Those 60lbs will not help the moron on the right lmao
He's more like 150-155 on fight night and walks around at 170. There is no way he gets up to 200lbs
>Right now he probably weighs around ~200lbs.
With how little visible muscle he has? You're moronic
O'malley is 6'11" tho
>I'll let you in on a secret, when they measure weight... it's actually much less than the real weight during the fight. It's less yet than their weight off season. Right now he probably weighs around ~200lbs.
this is the final form of the 'muh weight cut' poster
killed people have you
I love how MMAtards always overestimate the weight their fightercrushes walk around at
It's always "yeah this 140 lbs twink with 13" arms actually walks around at 200 lbs bro"
Meanwhile in reality he's 160 off season with a lot of added bodyfat
This idiot literally says to boxers that he'd 'kill them' in a street fight. It's hilarious.
Yeah, dumbasses do it all the time.
To be fair Devin Haney has no punching power and is smaller than O'Mally. The average high school wrestler could beat Haney since he's a point boxer who's small and doesn't know how to grapple to save his life.
O'Mally weighs 158lb when he's not dehydrated for the weigh in. The bodybuilder probably has 60-70lbs on him, but trained vs untrained, trained will ALWAYS win.
Off topic but I was always curious, do athletes always completely let themselves go during off seasons? Do they absolutely need all the rest or wouldn't the be better off continuing to train but doing deloads to mitigate injury? You'd think that unless you physically need the time off you'd never stop training until retirement.
Most boxers stay in reasonable shape out of fight camp, there are obvious exceptions like Ricky hatton aka Ricky “Fatton” who balloon up in between each fight. These people tend to have shorter careers cause it’s hard on the body. Only the most dedicated are always in top tier shape though, such as Bernard Hopkins and marvellous Marvin hagler.
Mayweather was hugely successful and had a long career, and he was pretty consistently in shape.
Makes sense. You'd think that those with a passion for their sports would never have off seasons, especially fighters. Wouldn't you want to keep pushing to be the best until you retire? Why not only stalk but revert your progress by taking a slovenly off season?
you’re bound to have people who either lose the discipline to stay in shape between fights, simply get comfortable after becoming successful, or believe they have it in them to yo-yo in weight/fitness successfully. I believe it’s silly to think everyone at the top would be 100% all the time, after all the top is full of genetic freaks. I can’t stress enough though that the vast majority of serious pro fighters are in good shape year round, just not in “fight shape.” The ones who balloon up/let themselves go are exceptions.
Its a common thing in MMA where you have to eat clean for 8 weeks and cut 25 pounds of weight so alot of fighters binge eat. Paddy Pimblett gets up to 200lb+ and he fights at 155
bro he's 260
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Why is it only martial arts where people insist that having big muscles is all you need? If he claimed he could throw a 100mph fastball everyone would laugh at him.
>Why is it only martial arts where people insist that having big muscles is all you need? If he claimed he could throw a 100mph fastball everyone would laugh at him.
golly gee could it be that throwing a fastball is a lot more technical than simply overpowering someone?
use your fricking brain you abject moron
>fastest pitch ever recorded was done by Aroldis Chapman
>6'4, 235lb
Wow look at that small skinny boy using Technique™ to throw balls, muscles are just a cope
japanese pitchers throw over 90mph and they are literally half that size...
by your logic 6’4 200+ pounds should be throwing 150mph easily
bro you're straight up moronic. all things being equal there is only so much you can advance on in technique alone. two people with perfect technique all things being equal and obviously the person with more muscle is going to perform better. they can't break the laws of physics though you moron
and your own example showed how little difference muscle makes
nearly 100% greater mass only translates to leas than 10% increase in pitching speed. That also comes at the cost of moving slower due to being bigger.
I'm not that person.
>showed how little difference muscle makes
Just because you're such a fricking moron that you cannot comprehend the difference between 16 MPH faster on a throw that's already at the top level then whatever. You're straight up so stupid it's unbelievable.
except the difference isn’t actually 16mph and topping out speed means absolutely nothing in baseball without consistency hence why pitchers aren’t big on average.
You said 90 MPH and I was comparing it to the 106 by the other guy. When you're at the top of your sport you are literally fighting for even the slightest bit of an edge of others, sometimes even milliseconds, lbs, 1mph, etc. and if you can't comprehend why that matters it's likely you're a dyel homosexual that has never done any sports. Perfect technique will put you above 95% of men. Perfect technique and power will put you above 99% of men.
you must know that obviously they throw faster than 90 right...
the difference might be 10mph at most which is significant but raw speed loses significance when you factor in consistency
There were plenty of people that could hit a driver further than Tiger Woods yet he was leagues above them
>yeah bro but what about when the technique is perfect, then someone with power loses!!
>ignores that people can have both technique and power
You're absolutely braindead. Golf also doesn't typically allow for professionals to just smash it as hard as they can and even then Tiger Woods still has #3 longest PGA drive and that's behind someone that hit the concrete. You're really shit at coming up with examples.
And those little differences are what separate amateurs from pros and pros from leyends.
I like how you just ignore the dude who brought up Ohtani Shohei. Which pretty much btfo your assertion about japanese pitchers. Picrel. Just stfu & kys homosexual.
Ah yes, twink japanese pitchers like Ohtani Shohei.
Hey waddya know, 6'4, over 200lbs. This is so rare among the japanese demographic its almost as though the team intentionally recruited the tallest & strongest person they could. But I am sure that is purely coincidental.
One of the best wins of all time
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lmao you dont even realize it
when a small teen beats a big man you make a whole video that reaches millions of views
when a grown man beats a manlet it's just another monday
>when a grown man beats a manlet it's just another monday
Then give some videos of it happening in those events that did matches without weight classes like K1 or Pride. Specially of it happening with an untrained big dudes beating a small professional fighter. Whenever those matches happened the usual was the most skilled guy winning, and since the fight is supposed to be somewhat "balanced" that usually meant the smaller fighter.
theres nobody recording it cause its just another formality
Ah, got it.
what moronic cope
every single fight nowadays gets recorded
>start shit
>instantly getting his shit flipped
>crowed saves his sorry ass
>come back for another one
>gets ko'd
the delusion lol
The jogger started it. You can see the white dude get shoved back as he's taking off his headphones to figure out what the Black is chimping out about.
The "smaller" guy is just wearing a hoodie while the other has a bright colored taknktop. They look fairly similar.
>Roidrage isnt reaACK
>ImSureToWinDueToMySuperiorBenchPress
left will win because gay on the right cant take or throw a punch.
anyone know where to place bets from non eu non us country
easiest bet of a lifetime
>A gorilla doesn't know martial arts so I can surely beat it
youve never been in a fight and it shows
Post video of you beating someone with 130lbs on you (he probably walks around at 300+ lbs when not competition weight) and I'll concede. Otherwise keep coping.
He posts stupid shit on an anonymous board.. he is a coward and will never do it.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4296471/shocking-moment-mma-fighter-kills-champion-powerlifter-in-brutal-street-fight-after-he-was-mocked-for-being-no-better-than-a-gymnast/
seethe and cope
I’m not trained and 170lbs of IST and I beat my neighbor friend in a wrestling match twice who’s 5 inches taller and 230lbs (50 lb difference) but I couldn’t beat my 125lb friend who is wrestling trained (but he couldn’t beat me either). So although weight and fitness definitely matters — training seems to be the larger factor by far
It's a physical activity, of course physical potential matters. But it's also a technical activity in.which you won't get fat without the know-how and experience to perform under pressure.
Computing Human who is heavier to a fricking gorilla
Based giga moron
>martial arts cant beat a 500+ lbs lean muscle mass advantage and completely different anatomy evolved for unarmed fighting
>Therefore my 40 lbs muscle mass advantage will surely win against someone who constantly fights and has sparred with heavyweights
a chimp with a gun can kill both. mma thirdies are braindead.
You've never seen drinking water and it shows.
not until i get it on DVD, i skipped the premiers
IST lost long time ago
Not on my watch it won't
>functional strength
>making the emaciated israelite watch his 25,000 calorie cheat meal video
Is that the buck breaker 2000?
Yes it is, I am glad to see someone recognize it.
You must be a fan
Don't tell anyone but they will soon be available for sale at ShawStrength .com very soon.
Stay tuned
Shaw got subbed by Dustin poirier. He then proceeded to smother Dustin when starting from the top position, so it can really go either way with that much size. But 260 isn't the same as 400+. Bob Sapp got his knee shredded in a fight with Minowaman.
Adesanya is actually this biggest piece of shit ever. I saw a clip of him on joe rogan talking about how Nigerians are so intelligent and when he moved to New Zealand all the white kids were stupid. Like, b***h if you don't like it frick off. He calls people out for steroids and then rocks up to the fight with the biggest gyno tit you've ever seen. Good fighter but totally unlikeable as a person.
>Nigerians are so intelligent and when he moved to New Zealand all the white kids were stupid
Kek literally no lie told b***h dilate
Nigeria is a fricking shithole with a sub 100 average IQ. You couldn't pay white people enough to move there.
>bending over the white man to humiliate and emasculated him
>First name is literally Israel
Is there any more proof you need in order to rise up against der Juden?
>Costa
>White man
>you will never rape Paulo Costa on live TV
feels bad man
Costa is a spic
Killing people is easy.
May as well say you have the skills to wipe your own ass, and if killing is the objective anyone that chooses their body over a gun, knife, etc. is moronic, especially if they know there's going to be a fight ahead of time with someone that threatened to kill you.
moronic gym nerds act like a head kick from a 160 lbs mma fighter wouldn't put this guy to sleep
>morons think they can dance around someone with enough raw physical strength that if they got their hands on them they would have their head forcibly removed from their body.
Weight classes exist for a reason.
Honestly Sean probably could do exactly that out in the open where there's no practical limit to how much he can move around. Big guy would unironically have a better chance in a cage or a ring.
What weight classes are there in the "pro fighter vs gym rat" competition?
there is a point where no amount of training will help you overcome a weight difference.
I don't know how much the homosexual on the left weighs, and I don't know how trained the troony on the right is, but if there's a 100 lb difference between them roidtroony should be able to win with extremely basic training.
Lifter and dyel
>t. Would get knocked out by 100lbs woman pro fighter
you homosexuals make it sound like some beef
its just a theoretical
https://youtube.com/shorts/ZPKtF2G4TOQ?feature=share3
>my skills are superi-ACK
I don't like Bradley but he would assrape O'troony without breaking sweat. Fightgays are delusional morons.
Why have none of the
>muh fighting skills posters
Replied to this youtube vid yet.
Its clearly evident that if thor wanted to kill this irish dog he could just grab him by the neck and rip it straight out of its socket. While the manlet would be relying on lucky hits and not getting caught to even stay alive.
What makes you think Connor wanted to hurt Hafthór? Given his weight and background a few low kicks would probably be enough to wreck Hafthór's knees. If Connor was serious he could probably have just stayed out of ranger and sniped his knees with kicks going in and out of range with his much better agility, endurance and distance management skills.
>Need to be strong to build a house
>I lift weights for four years
>The guy who did 4 years of carpentry apprenticeship thinks he knows how to build a house better than I do lmao
How about this:
- punch power correlates 0.5 with bench.
- more mass you have harder it is to knock you out, grapple you, or really do anything at all
The only thing fighter would have on his side is his cardio, which will let him run away at some point from getting humiliated.
*If the guy on the right could land a punch
Which judging by the context the guy on the right has no combat experience so good fricking luck
But the studies WERE DONE on people untrained in combat sports. Besides the moment there's a date, it will still leave AT LEAST 3 weeks but more like 3 months till the fight and the right guy will for sure train.
then post em
referenced here
A punch is nothing like a bench press. Mass is obviously an equalizer and the bigger your are, the harder you’ll hit. Mechanics and genetics are way more important than bench. Lanky fricks like deontay wilder aren’t big pressers. GGG is a hard hitter that doesn’t have big bench numbers.
those guys are all big and strong though right
benching is how you get big and strong
skinny twerps like omalley just barely have enough punch power to drop other skinny twerps. why? because they're small and weak. they can punch each other in the face all day in the small weight classes
GGG is 5'10 and 155lbs, Wilder is the bottom limit for a heavyweight.
Punch power comes from the hips
It's all technique
Benching doesn't have anything to do with having actual punching technique
Not that anon, but :
A Punch is technique + strength.
You forgot the other half of the equation.
What IS from the hips?
You're pushing/rotating your hips, with WHAT exactly?
Your muscles.
All movement is based on your muscles.
Technique is about how you use your muscles efficiently.
It still doesn't substract from the fact you need to be strong to punch hard.
If you take a muscular guy and a weak guy, and both thaught them how to punch in a 10 min crash course, whch one would punch the hardest?
If you answer anything else han the muscular guy then you're moronic.
It's like women.
Women can learn all the punchng technique they want, they are usually physically smaller and weaker than men.
Even at equal weight, men still punch way harder han them, regardless of technique.
>If you take a muscular guy and a weak guy, and both thaught them how to punch in a 10 min crash course, whch one would punch the hardest?
Doesn't matter. A trained fighter has been punching for 10 years, not 10 minutes.
It's also ridiculous to assume they aren't strong simply becuase they don't have a roided bodybuilder physique.
stronger people are better at all this 'technique' stuff, everything being equal. hitting people, hitting baseballs, hitting golfballs.
and yes muscles = strength, if you are a string bean you're not strong.
There's a reason body builders can only compete in greased up homosexual pageants rather than actual sports
there is a reason every nfl player with his shirt off looks like a bodybuilder
????? This is patently false
maybe an off season bodybuilder but the muscle is there
the point is the muscle doesn't slow them down and the fat doesn't much either
You may not like it, but this is what peak physical performance looks like
receivers probably, but linesmen are fat as frick.
>everything being equal
lol but they aren't equal. One is a professional fighter and the other isn't.
The frick does “been in the edge” mean? Do nogs really?
Most bodybuilders are over ecumbered and slow, they can't throw for shit.
just like nfl and mlb players
you have completely outed yourself as never having actually played any sports
no good athletes look like bodybuilders unless theyre juicing with good genetics.
Look at candid pics of Tom Brady for christs sake. Arguably the best quarterback in history and he looks like a father with a drinking habit
He’s a pocket quarterback. He’s playing a chess match with the opposing defense. He doesn’t need to be physically fit or mobile for that job. Look at prime Michael Jordan. You are a clown.
prime michael jordan was a walking chinese laboratory.. great example dipshit
Prime MJ didn't look like a bodybuilder.
>posts a dyel by fit standards
>looks like a body builder
Lol lmao
Please learn how to read
98% of NFL players look like bodybuilders, offseason bodybuilders, or powerlifters
There's a reason every athlete takes steroids, from NFL players to fighters. The reason is that steroids make you stronger.
>Doesn't matter. A trained fighter has been punching for 10 years, not 10 minutes.
And a trained lifter has been lifting for 10 years, not 10min.
So what's your point?
Is your point that it takes less time to get jacked than it takes to learn how to throw a punch?
It's a punch, not rocket science.
So, back to the previous context,
If the 2 have 3 weeks or 3 months to prepare, which one will be faster, Learning how to punch or put on 100lbs of lean muscle mass?
In 3 months/weeks of preparation it's way easier to learn how to punch/fight than it is to put on muscle.
Meaning that muscle guy can catch up way faster on punch technique, han the fighter s capable to put on more muscle.
That's really the crux of he problem for me.
It's way faster to learn how to punch and put on muscle.
Mr Muscle will learn how o punch correctly in less than 1 week of training.
Mr Fighter will barely put on any muscle mass in 3 monhs of lifting.
That's where the discrepency is at.
The time it takes to catch up to the other's level.
In the end, you can't generalize who is going to win, muscle VS fighter, because it's more about the individual than the discipline.
Cage fight, street fight, prepared fight, it's more about individual performance than which discpline is superior.
This is why me and other anons ITT have said that muscle guy would have the advantage if given any sufficient prep time.
Way faster to learn how to throw a punch from the hips than it is closing the gap in muscle mass.
Also the cardio level of the muscular guy is what would realisticly make the difference, if the fight were to last more than 30 seconds.
IF muscle guy only lifts and does zero cardio, ever, then he's pretty much fricked, because increased muscle mass directly determines the energy expenditure.
More muscle = exhausted more quickly.
That's where the difference would be seen in a caged fight.
So it's not about the speed of the smaller fighter, mostly about his endurence, cardio and physcally.
>That's really the crux of he problem for me.
>It's way faster to learn how to punch and put on muscle.
>Mr Muscle will learn how o punch correctly in less than 1 week of training.
Eddie and Hafthór had over a year to learn how to.bow and they still.ounched like shit, even in sparring.
it takes about 2 minutes to learn how to punch, it takes years to be able to punch in a way that isn't telegraphed and to do it with enough power to knock someone out.
It would only take me 3 months TOPS you would NOT want to tangle with me either way tho I’m 230 and I’m taking supplements
>Mr Muscle will learn how o punch correctly in less than 1 week of training.
then why there is no pro bodybuilder or strongmen in the mma or any other fighting competion
they literally could just learn how to fight in an hour and win a lot of money
but instead they go to gay shows to show of their muscles to other homosexuals and even the best of the best get payed a lot
It’s not about the money you have no honor
fatso powershitters coping
>there's no money in MMA
way more than any strongman, powershitter or bodybuilding competition
especially since they would be number one after all with all their muscles
>And training would hugely detract
you literally said it would take them one week to learn how to fight
they can't take a week of to learn how to fight, dominate the ufc and get a big price money or be number one just for fun or honor?
>But if you think ANYBODY could beat up The Mountain you are delusional.
lol holy reddit are you 16 or what is going on here?
>fatso powershitters coping
post body
ok now you
NTA but lookin joocy brah
Eyup. Technique is important but we have weight categories for a reason. However, neither are the end-all be-all since the whole point of MAs is beating people through superior technique. And people forget a lot of variables go into a fight such as weapons, who initiated, the environment, etc. Just don't live around Black folk or Black personminds.
"If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck"
thanks!
lmao. There's no money in MMA. And training would hugely detract from their main discipline for which they are most suited and which gives them their status to begin with. But if you think ANYBODY could beat up The Mountain you are delusional.
Pretty sure tyson fury would kill the strongfattt
There is zero money bodybuilding shit, which is why they all go gay4pay.
MMA fighters are dirt poor and it’s not worth the concussions from sparring to prove a point to an internet DYEL manlet that is absolutely seething at his own existence
There’s no bodybuilder or strongmen because why the frick would anyone want to get punched for a living instead of just lifting weights for a living ,unless ur marius pudziwhateverthefrick. And plenty of fighters start off bodybuilding
Do you know how much more there is to fighting than just being able to throw a respectable punch? Are you moronic?
Tiger Woods vs a pro bodybuilder on a PGA course. Who wins? By your spastic logic the bodybuilder because he can learn a respectable golf swing faster than Woods can put on muscle completely disregarding every single other aspect involved in golfing success.
Someone who has trained for a decade at one specific thing and is world class level is not going to be beaten by someone who has trained in that thing for a month.
Bodybuilder would get his jaw broken in seconds.
Sorry anon, I tried that logic here
and it went straight into the memory hole we're now at "post body" levels of cope.
It's hilarious these dudes are so deluded they think their powerbulk bloat physique and 315lbs bench is enough to rock professional fighters because 'muh weight advantage'.
Meanwhile they've never eaten an actual punch in their lives and would immediately freeze up from the lightest of slaps to the face.
Laying their on the gym bench, completely out of breath, after a 'heavy' single thinking 'yeah I could definitely crush O'Malley in a fight because even though he spends hours every day training with the best trainers and is 100% focused on being the best fighter possible I outweight him by 100lbs so he wouldn't even be able to touch me.
Hilarious.
>it went straight into the memory hole we're now at "post body" levels of cope.
you realize this
is aimed at a guy arguing in favor of "powerlifter could beat professional fighter"
learn how to read a thread
>He doesn't know that Tiger woods attributed his success to the strength training routine that was basically unheard of in golf before him
moron.
Holy shit you're moronic. Muscles mean next to nothing when it comes to fighting. Just give up.
>muscles mean next to nothing
Yeah that's why UFC champions are all skinny asian ninjas trained in ancient kungfu arts...oh wait no it's just muscular Black folk and roided mexicans and dagestani
you're Black person fetish is showing whites and mexicans rule the ufc only when a Black person does roid ie jon jones does he stand rqual
>only when a Black person does roid
wait why do roids make such a big difference if muscles mean nothing
i'm not a fight gay but i do know that being stronger helps in every scenario imaginable
>i'm not a fight gay but i do know that being stronger helps in every scenario imaginable
What a stupid thing to say. It conveys nothing useful. You could replace stronger with any other adjective pretty much. Being more agile is better, being faster is better, being more sturdy is better
>it takes to learn how to throw a punch?
>It's a punch, not rocket science
Confirmed for never having even done tkd
>Is your point that it takes less time to get jacked than it takes to learn how to throw a punch?
you've never thrown a punch at a punching bag let alone in anger jacked up on adrenaline
That's really cool logic. Too bad all of it is wrong, and I mean all of it. Sure you got it right that women are weaker than men, but for the wrong reason. I wonder what gives you the confidence to write so much bullshit
>- punch power correlates 0.5 with bench.
It really doesn't. Ali never trained chest A DAY of his life and he still hit like a train.
Really? That's weird because you know... HE WAS JACKED AS A MOTHERFRICKER.
LIKE HELLO moronO! Anybody home?
Also, 0.5 means THAT HALF OF IT *IS* TECHNIQUE. And then on top of that, yeah shit like where muscle is connected matters a lot too.
>Ali
>jacked
You're watching too much Baki, moron. Pic related is him flexing with a pump.
his literally not flexing here and doesn't have a pump. You clearly have no idea about the context of the photo
He's flexing on the guy that made a point of calling Ali by his "slave name", after knocking him out.
Nope, nothing remotely fricking close. He's demanding that he stands up because he fake fell due to mafia fixing the match.
Eh, wrong fight then. Either way, Ali wasn't a muscular guy at all.
> posts picture of literal weight measurement
Yeah that's when he's the most DYEL version of himself for the duration of that hour. Even in your initial pic it's clear he's pretty fricking jacked. We're not talking about somebody barely benching 1 plate.
the weigh in is the 2-3 days starved dehydrated state— not the most accurate photograph but I genuinely applaud that you acknowledged you made a mistake — something a moron can’t do.
I already have to deal with the shame of being wrong, I don't need the shame of insisting on my mistake as well.
"Al Black" ?
Overeem was one of the biggest, roidiest guys ever and had an infamous glass chin even in his prime.
The reason for that correlation (whatever sample it may be based on) likely has something to do with the physical characteristics of strong punchers. Big hitters have broad shoulders, long arms, and big hands, which are also either primarily or secondarily associated with upper body strength. Plus of course big men can both lift heavier and hit harder.
yeah man that is why Eddie Hall and Thor boxing match went to a fricking decision, a lot of knocking power. You dont even understand how throwing a punch fricking works
>punch power correlates 0.5 with bench
these are the powershitter morons that think weighing 300 and benching 250 automatically makes them a heavyweight contender
“yeah bro if I just trained for a couple months my strength and mass will do the work” absolutely delusional. People like you swing like a windmill and get dropped by a rangefinding jab
>How about this:
No, how about this: Shut your mouth, or I'll kick your teeth down your throat and I'll shut it for you.
>a tiger has never seen a human, so I surely can beat it no problemo
wouldn't work in the street
>I have le skills to kill you
Funny I bought mine for 30$, and they're superior.
get fricked knifefairy
https://youtube.com/shorts/5xwtsVAky5o?feature=share
>Baby-hands sized miniature knife
Awwwww, look at how small that knife is!
Too cute! OMG.
Also too can play this game.
200$ for a shotgun.
A Few bucks get some buckshot.
Good luck with your micro-penis-knife, homosexual.
that's exactly his point. room iq sub human.
>$200 for a benelli
larping nogunz euroBlack person, cringe
>t. amerilard too high on sugar to realise that the image was just tangentially related
Certified no gunz moment
:'(
The ontario rat 2, the white man choice
I genuinely can't stand the moronic shittalkers in martial arts and it feels incredibly satisfying to see them get properly humbled
we need swords legalized so people shut the frick up about this shit forever
no amount of gay bjj or lifting will protect you from a sword and it will be obvious to anyone and everyone and people will shut up once and for all
>I need to have swords legalized to kill someone with it
Do it with a gun. The crime would be the same.
Guns are for cowards. Swords and knifes require you to get up close to your victim.
Au contraire, guns are the true weapon of real men. They equalise everybody. Give a small guy a gun and he becomes just aa lethal as a massive musclebound hulk. Guns are fair. It takes no honor or courage to pick up pn someone smaller than you in melee, and only an idiot would try to fight someone much bigger.
>Guns are for cowards. Swords and knifes re-
BANG!
Tough luck, bro. Looks like I'm the better fighter after all.
Unironically this. Whoever wins was the better fighter, by definition.
Damn nice reversal
shouldve known this guy was in a ninjutsu clan just by the scarf
nice try but the video is in reverse
We see some variation of this thread several times a week. Who cares I lift to be strong and look good not to be a good fighter.
TND
bodybuilders have zero conditioning. He's going to be way too slow and he will only win if he gets lucky. If it becomes a ground fight, he will not know what to do and likely get submitted almost instantly.
All those pretty looking muscles are not conditioned for sustained action.
>t.dyel
most fights are over in less than 30 seconds
and the faster fighter usually wins. The fighter has trained years to not only knockout other fighters, but to evade and block other fighters. Do you honestly think the bodybuilder is going to develop the speed strength necessary to actually touch the fighter?
>and the faster fighter usually wins
then why are all our instincts about 'sizing up' the other guy rather than his speed
Because you can't "speed up" somebody who's standing fricko.
Also instincts are moronic by definition.
my instincts tell me that you are gays
our instincts have caused about half of our population to be on meds that aim to turn off those instincts because they are so much of a detriment to us in the modern age.
Most fights are between moronic fatties and crackheads. Fights involving trained men go longer.
That's crazy, imaging if guy on the left ever fought competitively for one day in his life. Think about it. Like what if he actually fought so people knew? That would be wild. I guess he never will? Who has he ever beat in his life?
That's the thing about fighting, you have to have the balls to actually do it in the first place. Check out pic rel, who do you think would win in a fight?
Most would guess the left guy because "abs".
Yeah, Tyson Fury is basically the peak heavyweight boxer of our time and he looks like somebodies out of shape dad. Fighting is just a different game and when fighters get advanced the physical aspect starts to make way for technique and strategy.
this is kind of a bad example because Fury is MASSIVE
Need to show fury at least before he coked himself with 500 lbs and loose skin all that ruined his body
who is the fat bald manlet on the right?
>manlet
tyson fury is 6 ft 9 (206cm)
Guys, he actually would win.
Fightcuckie logic
>weight classes exist because in a match between two trained fighters even 10lbs difference will be deadly
Also fightcuckie logic
>but brooo a professional 125lb twink would totally destroy a bodybuilder twice his size cause...uhh..skills
You'd have a point if MMA had just 3 broad weight classes to separate manlets, average dudes, and lanklets. But UFC has nine and other orgs even more. Being a double champion is considered to be a legendary tier feat, and it usually involves slimming down not climbing the weight. So clearly weight is a MASSIVE factor in performance. O'Malley would have to jump 6 fricking divisions to fight with Martyn, I don't care what magical Naruto skills he has it's absurd to think he would stand a chance.
>it is easier for somebody to go from untrained to competing in world class level combat sports than it is for a world class combat athlete to put on weight
Weightclasses exist for people that actually know how to fight moron.
You don't lift or fight.
pathetic 12 yo sized fightmonkey is clearly insecure about himself that's why he has to act like this. meanwhile in the real world people only care about how you look, nobody gives a shit if you are a twig who does martial arts.
You guys know that muscles have no influence on your chin strength right? Sean's lateral movement can keep him away from being grabbed and Sean has the power to knockout anyone in the world if he lands.
>if
big if there
Big if that Bradley can even touch Sean due to Sean's range and mobility. Sean isn't a no power having ass out point boxer like Haney. Sean hits like a truck while Bradley will like the coordination to get someone like Sean. Don't try to compare Sean to Devin Haney.
He couldn't KO that green haired moron
He did for a moment and Aljo woke up from the impact of hitting the mat face first. Bradley's chin isn't much stronger than Aljos since the chin and brain doesn't scale up with muscle mass.
I mean the can he fought a while back who just walked onto his punches until the ref gave a standing tko.
Right about the chin, wrong about the brain. Physical activity alone generates new neurons.
If the big guy can land a punch within the 1st minute then the twink is crushed. If the twink can dance around for 10 minutes then the big guy will be gassed out.
How long has the muscle guy been training mma? He went against a bjj specialist who I can knock out faster than that. Put him against a kick boxer and see what happens. The human brain and chin doesn't scale up as much with size so a hard hitting small guy can spark out Martin. There are even big guys with no punching power like Uysk. Theres no proof that Bradley can hit hard.
he was training karate since 11 and boxing for over 7 years before starting his mma carreer
in which he had some wins and some losses
so his strength didnt automatically win him all fights with him not even trying
also this guy is literally the strongest man alive
while bradley is just a semi strong roid troony
bradley would get crushed
>one guy trains for fighting
>the other trains to fit a homosexual aesthetic
Hmmm...
Why is fighting the one thing where people genuinely delude themselves into thinking they are better at it than people whose job it is to fight. No one does this in like basketball or whatever
Funny you say that. The Professor is more skilled at ball handling than 99% of NBA, but he will never make it as a pro simply because he's 5'10. Shaq is regarded as one of the greatest despite the fact that he has the coordination and dexterity of a lobotomized penguin, he's just was over 7' and freakishly muscular for his size. It's almost like things like size and weight are incredibly important and no amount of muh skills will help you break through your natural limitations.
Most of the professors moves are gimmick street moves that are banned in the NBA and won't work against a real defensive scheme. He's above average at shooting for a hobby player and his ability to run plays that works at a high level is mediocre at best. Prime Shaq could put run most forwards and he was a killer pick and roll player. He was always in the right place at the right time for other player's and used his size as an advantage instead of disadvantage. Look at players like Boban who more or less never play since their size is a disadvantage due to their lack of mobility and versatility.
Your comparing a guy who still at least plays basketball though? If you put the professor guy up against a big dude that doesn't even play basketball he'd destroy them no?
Bodybuilders do not know how to fight. At all. And they have zero cardio
If you want to compare the scenario to more basketball then imagine you are an athletic 6'7 dude playing a 1v1 against a short NBA point guard, you ARE going to lose badly especially if you have no experience playing it, but at your height dunking and maybe scoring once or twice is not impossible, now back to fighting, where one "basket" could be enough to end the fight, of course the bigger and stronger you are is going to matter.
fighting is ingrained in your lizard brain my dude
it's as natural as eating or shitting
Instincts don't mean shit when your lard ass gasses in 30 seconds and has never taken a leg kick
I'm not saying size doesn't matter, but when the short guy is an NBA level player and the big guy doesn't even play basketball the result is a bit different no?
>I'm sure to win because my total is higher
you're supposed to put the before picture on the left
All I'm gonna say is a year ago I was 255lbs and had a 535 squat 615 deadlift and 345 bench. I tried bjj and the 165lb black belt could submit me a few times in the 5 minute rounds. But I had to be gentle it was like moving a girl around I actually had to try not to hurt him. And after a month he couldn't submit me at all and I didnt stick around cause I'm hurting for money. With the size difference it feels like fighting a woman and the difference between Bradley and O'Malley is much higher, strong people don't exist in fighting even jon jones is dyel
Superior speed and skill, simple as.
Mixed Manlet Artists study the punch
Bodybuilder has probably never taken a punch or kick on the chin in his life. If the guy was an actual athlete, that would be one thing. But he’s basically just proven he has the ability to shape his muscles, which doesn’t mean jack shit.
Where does this moronic idea come from that if you take a bunch of punches you'll become more immune from the come from? I've gotten in a bunch of random street fights and the punches never felt different and I just have an iron jaw in general and have a high pain tolerance. I don't know how getting punched in the jaw more would train it, it's not going to build denser bone or something.
>got punched in fight by a drunken manlet
>thinks he is an iron jawed fight expert because of it
Your opinion is obviously disregarded.
There have been many people that have punched me in the face from manlets to taller people to skeletors to muscular people to fat people and I never felt their punches were every any different. I seriously doubt MMA fights are just sitting there letting people hit them in the face full force just to train, that is completely moronic. It's not going to change your jaw bone, you're not going to build up some immunity. Even watching fights they usually end with one solid punch that rocks someone and then a follow through while all the others are just grazes or light jabs. It's rare to even see fighters just straight up tank full punches and those guys aren't training for it, they are just built different and you have no argument against that.
Some gyms basically used to train like that. Chute Boxe back in the day used to beat the shit out of each other in sparring. I don't think it makes you physically harder to knock out but mentally it must make a big difference.
I mean I'm sure there are still plenty of places where (especially rookies) beat the shit out of each other in sparring, but I'm saying there are likely zero people training by just sitting there bracing themselves and letting someone full force punch them in the jaw just to "train to get hit". That would be completely moronic.
I think he means the ability to not panic or flail when under stress of an aggressor, something which could happen to untrained people and which sparring prepares you for through exposure rather than any physical characteristic. Then again, he's arguing on tribalism camps as if you can't both practice MAs and do bodybuilding, just not competitively for either, so he's a homosexual israelite arguing in bad faith.
I understand the bodybuilder is big but they dont think or act like a fighter. The fight IQ is different, is not about seeing red. Its like a chess match, if you are an untrained person then there is no match, the mma fighter already saw 20 ways to frick you up. Stronger yes? Better fighter? No.
Bradley is certainly an impressive bodybuilder even without an impressive professional record, but that doesn't mean he can compete against a high level athlete of another completely different field he has no experience in. That's like expecting your bodybuilding career to magically make you good at track & field or rock climbing. I legitimately don't get why this recurrent combat sports vs bodybuilding is even a thing, or why it keeps coming up all the time.
Track&field and rock climbing do not have weight divisions, if they did height would be a massive advantage, there are no short-limbed world class sprinters or climbers
And? We aren't talking about height differences, we're talking about bodybuilders and fighters seemingly always having beef for no reason at all. Also, Sumo also doesn't have weight classes and the bigger guy winning is never a given.
Sean-o-Cucko wouldnt stand a chance. He's a work from Dana to attract the dumb wigger zoomer crowd
>O'Malley
The Irish truly are white Black folk.
T. part Irish
Powershitter challenge : Go and spar your local mma shitters, ask if you could do it "street rules" or whatever cope you might use. Then film yourself getting absoluetly pieced up, outscrambled, and choked. Then imagine its the best fighter in the world instead of your local can.
>local mma shitters
do you think that a 150 lb skilled guy has enough skill that he can overpower a 200+ lb guy?
if they get to grappling, the massive weight and strength gap completely invalidates the skill gap
Yes, he can. If its a 200lbs fighter he'll probably come out on top, but a 200lbs untrained big guy will 100% just crumble under pressure after the first few leg kicks. Even for professionals fighting hurts and is scary like hell, someone who's unexperienced in it cannot hope to perform well.
No i know it first hand
You've never grappled
50 lbs is not enough to compensate for having literally no skill whatsoever. Size makes a big difference but its more like it contributes to faster growth in how dangerous you are as you become more skilled than it compensates for anything by itself. One thing with combat sports is it does up sell how good manlets are at fighting by having the ridiculously low weight classes when amature fighters at middle weight and above would wreck them by size. Note that that's amature level fighters though not just guys who lift weights lol.
We are talking about sean o'malley here, not the best fighter in the world.
dont why someone actually puts effort and time on knocking people out triggers the lifter so much. Like Black person you workout for a beauty pageant, is not your field. Just move on
Ok. So let O'Malley fight a bodybuilder who also actually lifts weights. still putting your money on O'Malley? Even 5 years out of retirement, St. Pierre could go full deliverance-mode on O'Malley in the octagon without breaking a sweat. Yes, a bodybuilder who has never fought will get killed, but I guarantee you a 6 week intensive coaching of the bodybuilder by a good coach and that weight difference will make ALL the difference.
>6 week intensive coaching of the bodybuilder by a good coach and that weight difference will make ALL the difference.
In 6 weeks you won't build up the necessary cardio and the basic skills will be just starting to settle. Make it 6 months and maybe you'll be right.
lol it wouldn't be close to enough time, 6 weeks? WTF is going on with the world that people think fighting is this easy? If it was random bodybuilders would be pro fighters for the money overnight. They get rocked. All those little kinks in their body get played out and they fall.
Never said he was going to be on the same level. He just needs to know enough to get into a takedown with O'Malley. Thats it; then its ogre. The 100+lbs of muscle difference will then make the difference.
inb4 muh leverage.
Go train for one day against guys 100lbs lighter than you and see for yourself how much leverage, weight distribution and technique matter.
A trained heavyweight fighter would wreck O'Malley, but an untrained bodybuilder has no chance.
Whoa bro. Its all about skill and time and the gym. Weight categories are just a scam. Bro. O'Malley could totally wreck Jon Jones if it wasn't for these pussy weight categories. Muscle mass don't matter bro. Its all skill and mindset bro.
This thread isn't about lightweight vs pro heavy weights. It's about bloated roid troony body builders thinking they are invincible and can fight when they do not train.
>Whoa bro. Its all about skill and time and the gym. Weight categories are just a scam. Bro. O'Malley could totally wreck Jon Jones if it wasn't for these pussy weight categories. Muscle mass don't matter bro. Its all skill and mindset bro.
Damn, it's almost like you totally got him. Too bad he wrote
>"A trained heavyweight fighter would wreck O'Malley, but an untrained bodybuilder has no chance."
Footwork and positioning, which o malley is great at, can keep you out of takedowns. Like everything else, they require setup to work. Trap him against the cage, feint or punch your way in, catch a kick, etc. Just diving at his hips from distance won't work most of the time.
>6 weeks
sounds like enough time to instill a false sense of security in the bodybuilder
i would put my money on the bb trying to swing then getting countered and dropped
* mma fighter instead of bodybuilder
>Imagine having to explain to your friend that doesn't watch MMA that if these two ever fought, it would be the guy on the right needing crutches after
That's not fair since the guy on the right needed crunches during that time and was immobile.
>MIND OVER MATTER, CHUD
This is how I would expect this fight to go down if it ever happened and didn't get immediately dogpiled and broken up by bystanders
>square off
>sean circles while martyn either stands still or makes little shuffling steps
>sean pitter patters to get martyn reaching for something and cracks him flush on the jaw with a right hand
From there you can't really say what would happen without knowing if martyn's chin and grit can keep him in the fight after taking a hard shot. If he can stay in it after the punch it would possibly make sean really tentative and afraid of sitting down on his shots in case he gets grabbed. Maybe it would make sean get frustrated and swing like a Black person letting martyn grab him and just bearhug it out. It all depends on whether he can take the shot and keep fighting because o malley can definitely land it.
Why do every fight hypotheticals coming about bodybuilders assume them to be slow lumbering Dark Souls-style bosses that need several second to wind an attack? That's not how people ever act, stop playing videogays. Most men, certainly athletic, active men, know how to act quickly and use their arms. I assure you Bradley is perfectly capable of knocking your head off with a punch, no he doesn't need 10000 years of training under waterfalls for that
It's cope from bjj gays
>Why do every fight hypotheticals coming about bodybuilders assume them to be slow lumbering Dark Souls-style bosses that need several second to wind an attack?
Because that's how bodybuilders, strongmen, powerlifters, etc. without fighting experience almost always fight.
Both had over almost 1.5 years to train and still fought like that.
>yeah bro his killer instinct would kick in he would knock him out with a jab and crack his head open with a hook before he hit the ground
“Fighting instinct” is literally to just swing wildly and hope you connect. You can see this in virtually every single street fight between inexperienced people.
Compared to o malley that's pretty much what he would be. His game is built around hand speed and footwork and any athletic twink will be more agile than a huge guy just through physics.
As for punching, an untrained big guy can throw a powerful punch but landing it is something different, especially against a guy whose whole style is being elusive and cutting angles to throw counters. O malley just won his last fight by fading out of a wild punch and hitting the guy back flush as his head fell forward into it.
That's why I think it depends more on martyn's ability to take a punch than anything else. If he can eat a shot to get inside he has a good chance at outmuscling him or landing something. He's not hitting shit out at range. Even pros with good hand speed and a knowledge of setups and footwork have a hard time hitting o malley clean from a distance. O malleys problem is if his power isn't enough to keep the big guy off him he will get walked down and overpowered, which is a time tested way of beating a faster opponent. And I'm not betting on a guy's chin if he has no fighting experience to speak of.
>sean dodges a punch to his face by <1cm to perfectly time a full power counter right to the chin
that kind of experience vs no experience the only way brad wins if he lands a lucky shot but Sean has proven he can consistently dodge and counter WAY FASTER hands, so yeah I don’t see Brad connecting a single time
Sounds like luck to me honestly I’ve never thrown a punch in my life I could lay anyone the frick out no problem with a bit of luck
Fighting is a skill. That skill is not a 1:1 reflection of the state of your body.
Just because you're sitting in an F1 car, doesn't mean you can win a race against Max Verstappen of even finish a single lap without crashing.
Just because you're fit, doesn't mean you have the awareness of how to act and react in a fight and the ability to execute the right moves at the right time.
homie have a f1 car and a semi truck play chicken and see what happens when no one gives way
also
>post body
>street fight
Martial fart boy gunna get her ass whooped when the ref isn't there to hold his hand lol
Reminder: zero, absolutely none, of these stage fighters have ever been in a -real- fight
What would be the difference?
>NOOOO you can't use that move because it's banned
>NOOOO you can't hit him because the rules say he's allowed to hump the ground like a gay homosexual
>NOOOO you can't be three times the size of your opponent we have manlet weight classes so little guys can feel like they're big too
And so on and so forth.
>I literally do not train fighting but I could totally beat up guys who spend all their time fighting with my wushu eye poke I've never trained to do
Typical cope of someone who doesn't fight. The guy who knows how to actually fight can get dirty just as easily as you bro. Trying to do nut grabs and eye gouges when you are losing a fight is moronic escalation. Now the guy who was already kicking your ass is mad you tried to fricking blind him and can smash your unconscious head into the pavement guilt free.
Literally all wrong. Real fighter are called mercenaries and fixers. These preforming monkeys would die if they ever had to fight a street Black person
King of the streets exists and aside from the size thing it has all of that in it. Still looks like mma for the most part.
>never been in real fights
how the frick do you think people get into fighting in the first place? You can’t fricking be serious
Big reason why Russians dominate UFC is because they grow up brawling in the streets like Black folk except slavs can actually fight
Ah yes, I'm sure guys like Wanderley Silva or Tito Ortiz are posh boys that would never engage in a fight outside the cage without a ref.
Ziranov (MMA fighter) got 18 years in jail for killing a guy that was 100 kg (200 lbs more or less) heavier than him and like and entire head taller in a street fight. He just kicked him in the head, and then punched the shit out of him while he was on the ground.
You fatass morons have no idea the difference between an MMA fighter and a random guy that doesn't fight. They straight up see you moving in slowmotion basically. You're never, ever landing a punch on them and you don't know how to protect your neck and jaw, you're getting knocked out in 10 seconds.
Yep, makes sense, the law generally also comes down fricking hard on professional fighters who kill randoms in street fights. It's why the majority of pro fighters are really chill dudes outside of gym/fights. These guys can fricking maim and kill easily.
>majority of pro fighters are really chill dudes
Lmfao on what planet? Most top tier fighters are roidraging no impulse control freaks with a stretch of criminal history.
I think he means clean public records
he would probably also say something like “most UFC fighters are natty because they havent failed any drug tests”
there was a lot more that happened in that fight than just 1 kick and some punches lol.
Everyone has a plan until they get hit in the fricking face.
This is the same place where people think they'll lose their virginity by lifting weights instead of also learning to talk to women. Unless you practice and hone a skill, you won't be good at said skill unless you're some genetic outlier.
I don’t have anything against combat sports themselves but fans of them don’t strike me as especially bright.
This reminds me of that one time Tyson tried to pay a zookeeper to let him fight a gorilla
Sometimes i feel sad for MMAutists because they fell for the "combat" """""sports"""" marketing.
Then i remember it's mostly manlets or dudes wishing they could go back in time to beat their middleschool bully then it feels alright bullying them.
Why do contact sports have weightclasses?
Commissions being gay
So that the big, slow guys don't get insta destroyed by by the speedy twinks.
To protect roidtrannies
When you actually know how to fight a bit of weight is a big advantage.
Bigger bodies can take more punishment and throw harder strikes (when they actually know how to throw a strike) reach is also a huge advantage, when two guys of the same weight and height fight but one of them has longer limbs he has the advantage as well and taller heavier people tend to have longer reach and since they are fighters they actually know how to use all those advantages.
More competitive scenes allow for more big fights, which makes more big money.
why can't people accept that there is nuance to size versus technique?
one isn't superior to the other
>But bro I'm 320
when is the fight?
Right now, the fight is hypothetical and so is occurring in comment sections
It isn’t going to happen in real life
What's to stop the guy on the right from sitting on top of the other guy?
It's how some HW fights go.
I've been in fights and it's not something I, or anyone who doesn't train, is good at
Anyone can throw a good punch at a punching bag
Not anyone can throw a good punch at a moving target when adrenalines pumping and peers are watching and you know you will be injured and humiliated if you fail
Bradleys only useful move would be a bear hug, if he could get close enough without getting hit multiple times before it even registers in his steroid brain