It's universally agreed that most machines SUCKS, at least outside rehab workout.
Are there any exceptions that can potentially be as good as free weights though?
It's universally agreed that most machines SUCKS, at least outside rehab workout.
It's universally agreed that most machines SUCKS, at least outside rehab workout.
Are there any exceptions that can potentially be as good as free weights though?
>as good as free weights
Literally none, but there's a lot that's good as finishers/supplements in your program
Took me 8 years of training mostly with barbell to realize machines are actually great.
Machines are bad is the front runner for the most widespread shit meme in the fitness world. Machines are actually really good but most people just lift wrong
people think lifting like neanderthals is the supreme manly way even though all the pros use machines
>Humans have built amazing machines that revolutionized agriculture, production, constricution, health care, travel and medicine
>can not build machines to train the human body
what gives?
>machine forces hands to push barbell for bench press
>my hands are just getting smashed
Steroids/other drugs are more effective than any actual workouts though.
Is that a balding Ben shitpero? Also some machines are good OP just wants noobs to bench press with no experience so he can laugh when they ge5 stuck under it.
Cables are for all intents and purposes the same as free weights. It's just that the direction of force changes from the ground to the pulley. You've still got freedom of movement.
And your premise isn't even true. Lots of machines kick ass.
But are any of them superior to free weights, aside from the rehab and supplementation angle?
Yeah. Couple examples:
Leg curls compared to ????
Hack squats compared to squats if your femurs are long (for quad growth)
Reverse pec deck compared to bent over dumbbell raises
Lateral raise machine compared to dumbbell lateral raises
Thanks, anon.
Or a "don't injure yourself" angle?
Or an "easily adjustable range of tension through the motion" angle?
Lateral raises are a good one to look at to see how cables are helpful for these things over free weights.
Depends on the exercise ofc but if you want to compare something like skullcrushers for tricep work with tricep push downs or kickbacks on the cable machine, the uniform resistance that comes with cables and machines means the muscle is experiencing constant resistance, as opposed to high resistance at the bottom of the skullcrusher that goes down to zero as your arms get perpendicular to the floor. Staying under constant tension = better lift, having maximum tension when the muscle is in a deep stretch = better lift.
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literally every pro bodybuilder will tell you machines are great, you dyel redditor
ive recently switched mostly to machines. i do calsthenics and barbells. id say my workouts are like 50 percent machines 30 percent calsthenics 20 percent barbells
Cable machines are great, what gives with your shit post
i'm surprised
normally i'd expect everyone to agree with op
but it is the other way around this time
is IST finally a mature board?
>machine is more stable
>allows you to move more weight for more reps with better form
>accumulates less CNS fatigue due to no need for stabilization
>recruits more motor units due to increased stability
And you’re convinced machines are worse than free weights? Are you rarted?
Machines being bad is a meme of the past
This board only "hated" machines because of Starting Strength memes back then
Even this guy who was a major Rippefraud worshiper before, finally managed to cure himself from this machine = bad lie
>alan thrall is based now
man the world post bugmen flu is really upside down
Machines are excellent if you know how to use them correctly.
nothing gives my hamstrings doms of the gods like the leg curl machine
I also like lat pulldown because it's easier to do drop sets with than chin ups
>most machines SUCKS
no? only some niche machines trying to reinvent the wheel are bad
everything else has its uses
if you do your homework, you should know which machines are perfect substitutes in case you don't want to waste time waiting for the crowded racks to be free
where the hell did this post come from
Cable machines.
Outside of a handful, I find that most machines just depend on your own body. For some they work, for others they don't and some are just universally shit. If a machine doesn't work for you, don't use it.
Peck deck, assisted pull ups, there was one pull up machine at my previous gym that blasted my back better than anything ever. Anything with cables is good. Bicep and tricep machines usually good.
For me its:
>Pendulum squat
>Chest press
>Shoulder press
>Adductor
>Abductor
>Chest supported row
>Hamstring curl