because the bar has a big hole in it, it only weighs 41% of a standard barbell. Thus any lift with it is 41% as good as a normal deadlift. This is why dyels use it to look impressive even though one plate is only 8 kg on the trapbar
If it was about purity of movement we would all be doing front squats and sldl's instead of the regular variations. Trap bar is superior if you are trying to get people moronicly strong in a short amount of time, and covers a good mix of the squat and deadlift patterns while allowing uih to use more weight. You can use it to develop peak strength more safely and efficiently, and you can use it to develop work capacity more safely and efficiently. If you're going to compete in powerlifting do the fricking competition lifts obviously.
>NOOOO YOU HAVE TO DO CONVENTIONAL/TRAP BAR DEADLIFTS, BECAUSE YOU JUST HAVE TO, MMMKAY SWEATY?
I will stick to the humble (deficit) RDL, thank you very much
>don't have to navigate a bar around your knees >can just stand straight up with a natural movement >arms at a neutral and natural position which is easier on shoulders >trains grip better because you can't cheat with switch grip
Those are the reasons I prefer them. Why do you hate them?
grip is often a limiting factor when it comes to deadlift so it doesn't make sense to train your grip on this.
That being said, it sounds like you don't lift at all if that was one of your reasons this lift is "better".
The true reason why its "better" is because its just safer, thats it. Its for people who aren't going to spend more than a year or two working out; dont need to waste time learning a new skill.
>don't have to navigate a bar around your knees
You don't know how to hinge. >can just stand straight up with a natural movement
You don't know how to hinge >arms at a neutral and natural position which is easier on shoulders
You don't know how to hinge >trains grip better because you can't cheat with switch grip
Reverse grip stops the bar from rolling out of your hands. The neutral grip handles on a trap bar don't roll out of your hands.
Who cares. You clearly knew what I meant and and your pedantic little outburst doesn't contribute to the discussion anyway. My point is that "cheating" grip is built into the trap bar.
have a nice day you absolute fricking moron. It does not lead to imbalances, and even if it did, all you would have to do is switch over and under after half your reps. But obviously someone with 70 iq like you is too moronic to think of such a simple solution.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>all you would have to do is switch over
No one actually does this.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Mixed grip is gay. Unless you compete in powerlifting (which is still pretty fricking stupid, let’s be honest) there’s no reason to use mixed grip. Use straps
ESL? What are you even trying to say? If you're implying that proper hinge patterns with a barbell are harmful, you're a moron and >you don't know how to hinge.
grip is often a limiting factor when it comes to deadlift so it doesn't make sense to train your grip on this.
That being said, it sounds like you don't lift at all if that was one of your reasons this lift is "better".
The true reason why its "better" is because its just safer, thats it. Its for people who aren't going to spend more than a year or two working out; dont need to waste time learning a new skill.
grip is often a limiting factor when it comes to deadlift so it doesn't make sense to train your grip on this.
That being said, it sounds like you don't lift at all if that was one of your reasons this lift is "better".
The true reason why its "better" is because its just safer, thats it. Its for people who aren't going to spend more than a year or two working out; dont need to waste time learning a new skill.
i think i read something from mark ripptoe that basically said that he thought the trap bar deadlift was more dangerous than the barbell deadlift was because at the top of the motion. the arms could swing around and potentially hurt themselves. where as with the barbell. the motion of the bar is strictly controlled at all times. that was his logic. which makes sense to me
How are you idiots hitting your legs with a barbell deadlift? It's literally never happened to me. I'm a 155lb sticklet with a 315lb max, but still, if you're hitting yourself with the bar, you're doing it wrong.
You probably don't even push your hips in, just wear long socks and sweats. I'm literally never gonna even go higher weight than my 3rm it's fricking moronic and gets you nowhere.
I own important things and rent things that are not advantageous to own yes. I also go to a gym that has a bunch of amenities and filters poors so thats nice. I can even work from there sometimes
I do these, both with the high and low handles, and standard deads. once you get above a certain strength level you realize the importance of variations. there is no contest.
I do these instead of regular deads. Im more concerned with putting up weight than getting my setup right and the lifting position has more carryover anyway. I also use it for rdls
I dont know if it is because I am more used to the barbell, but I started doing trapbar deadlifts and I struggled way more to consistently add weights, so I went back to barbell DLs.
High-handle trap bar deadlift is a complete waste of time. You aren't getting close to a full stretch with the hamstrings, you need a far higher load to get the same stimulus and the grip position encourages squatting the lift rather than hinging.
If you don't want to do heavy conventional deadlifts, which is fine, not everyone does, you're far better off with snatch grip deficit RDLs because you get far greater hypertrophy benefits without the high load of a trap bar.
>RDLs don't do shit to grow hamstrings, meme lift
My hamstrings barely work after I'm finished with RDLs but sure bro, they don't work the hamstrings despite the lift being pure hip extension with minimal knee bend, which is ideal for working the hamstrings
>they don't grow the hamstrings
Yeah, and bench press doesn't grow the pecs, chinups don't grow the lats, curls don't grow the biceps, and squats don't grow the quads and glutes.
>doms don't mean shit
True, but my hamstrings grew massively when I started doing RDLs, and when I get stronger on RDLs, I also get stronger on nordic curls, so there you go. Find a person who can do deficit RDLs with 4pl8 with good technique and you'll have a person with gargantuanly large hamstrings
Also wtf even is your argument? Hamstrings work to extend the hips, RDLs are pure hip extension, and the minimal knee bend allows the hamstrings to work since they aren't getting cucked by their secondary function (knee flexion). By definition RDLs are a hamstring exercise.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>By definition RDLs are a hamstring exercise
that won't make them grow
3 months ago
Anonymous
[...]
sure but they won't get bigger
>sure but they won't get bigger >that won't make them grow
Then wtf will make them grow? That's like saying that curls work the biceps but they won't make them grow. That makes no fricking sense dude, RDLs hit the hamstrings hard in the lengthened position so they will grow the hamstrings better than pretty much anything else. If you take your deficit RDL from 60kg to 160kg, your hamstrings WILL be much bigger, there's no way around that.
Also again, you still haven't explained why this would be the case. You have no argument other than "durr hurr they won't grow lollollol"
they target most of the hamstrings, but you also want hamstring curls for the short head of the bicep femoris since it doesn't attach at the hip like the rest of the hamstring.
This is true but that part of the hamstring is extremely small so it won't contribute that much to overall hamstring size. You'll probably get better growth from doing a knee flexion movement as well as a hip hinge and it'll help for injury prevention too so you definitely should do ham curls / nordic curls
3 months ago
Anonymous
Hurrr hurrr hurrr. Just donkey noises thats what I hear
they target most of the hamstrings, but you also want hamstring curls for the short head of the bicep femoris since it doesn't attach at the hip like the rest of the hamstring.
[...] >sure but they won't get bigger >that won't make them grow
Then wtf will make them grow? That's like saying that curls work the biceps but they won't make them grow. That makes no fricking sense dude, RDLs hit the hamstrings hard in the lengthened position so they will grow the hamstrings better than pretty much anything else. If you take your deficit RDL from 60kg to 160kg, your hamstrings WILL be much bigger, there's no way around that.
Also again, you still haven't explained why this would be the case. You have no argument other than "durr hurr they won't grow lollollol"
[...]
This is true but that part of the hamstring is extremely small so it won't contribute that much to overall hamstring size. You'll probably get better growth from doing a knee flexion movement as well as a hip hinge and it'll help for injury prevention too so you definitely should do ham curls / nordic curls
Do them with lower weights focusing on proper technique before acting all defiant like a dumb Black person.
>they got big hamstrings from something else
Nope. You can find minimalists out there who only do RDLs for hamstrings and nothing else, and you'll find that if they have a very strong RDL, they have gigantic hamstrings. There is no way you can do 200kg+ RDLs for reps and have small hamstrings, because if you did have small hamstrings, you wouldn't be able to RDL 200kg+
3 months ago
Anonymous
no, wrong
3 months ago
Anonymous
Would you say that someone who can do curls with 35kg dumbbells has small biceps? Would you say that someone who can front squat 220kg has small quads? Would you say that someone who can OHP 100kg has small delts?
Would you say that someone who can RDL 220kg has small hamstrings?
3 months ago
Anonymous
just saying rdls don't grow hamstrings
3 months ago
Anonymous
No, wrong. RDLs do grow the hamstrings, as well as the glutes, the spinal erectors, and the upper back to a degree
3 months ago
Anonymous
then what does mongoloid
doesn't make them bigger
3 months ago
Anonymous
RDLs grow the hamstrings.
3 months ago
Anonymous
incorrect
3 months ago
Anonymous
False, RDLs do grow the hamstrings.
3 months ago
Anonymous
they target hamstrings but don't make them bigger
3 months ago
Anonymous
Do you see this? The hamstrings are red, that means that they will grow from the movement.
3 months ago
Anonymous
it hits the hamstrings but they don't grow
3 months ago
Anonymous
Lol bro, I have Black person hamstrings like an NFL running back from doing these. You’re full of shit.
3 months ago
Anonymous
wrong, was from something else
3 months ago
Anonymous
Dude stop replying to him wtf. Are you purposely getting trolled?
3 months ago
Anonymous
That was my first one but ya, I scrolled up and see what he’s doing. What a turd
3 months ago
Anonymous
They do grow though.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Everyone's weakest point is keeping the hips forward so glutes and lower back I honestly don't see a reason to ever do rdls.
3 months ago
Anonymous
https://i.imgur.com/nqZRUVN.png
Do you see this? The hamstrings are red, that means that they will grow from the movement.
hamstrings go through 2 joints - hip and knee
when u deadlift it works the part that is hidden below arse and preferably in pants of sort for a male, the part that is visible though by the knee is not worked >but it is
no it ain't, upper part shits first and lower part is on vacation
lie down on floor and make an bridge supporting urself on shoulders and heels, pull heels towards ur head in this position, hold the tension - that's the lower more visible part of hamstring and i've got it because i was doing this thing for 2 months and u don't because u were deadlifting like an imbecile for years xD
3 months ago
Anonymous
>no it ain't, upper part shits first and lower part is on vacation
No way you actually believe this lmao
The only part of the hamstring that doesn't get worked is the short head of the biceps femoris. That muscle makes up like 1-2% of the size of the hamstrings or some shit, the other 98-99% gets worked just fine so your logic is entirely flawed.
I do have very hamstrings both upper and lower myself, but I'm extremely strong at nordic curls (been doing them for 2 years now) so I suppose my lower hamstrings would be large either way regardless of you being correct or not >lie down on floor and make an bridge supporting urself on shoulders and heels, pull heels towards ur head in this position, hold the tension - that's the lower more visible part of hamstring and i've got it because i was doing this thing for 2 months and u don't because u were deadlifting like an imbecile for years xD
This is a dogshit exercise, go do nordic curls instead
3 months ago
Anonymous
>but I'm extremely strong at nordic curl
You're on a one way trip to snap city.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>You're on a one way trip to snap city.
Tf are you on? Nordic curls are great for injury prevention (esp for preventing ACL tears), and they're one of the best hamstring isolation exercises. If your body is so fragile that you can't do one, then that's your problem, not mine.
Also you'd think that I would have gone to snap city by now since I've been doing them for 2 years, but nope, no injuries at all lmao
3 months ago
Anonymous
You probably post about how Deadlifts also prevent injuries when the reality is nordic curls and Deadlifts injure more people than they help.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Deadlifts injure more people than they help.
I can't speak for Nordic curls but you sound like you're made of glass.
3 months ago
Anonymous
We're in a thread discussing a superior version of the deadlift because it injures less.
3 months ago
Anonymous
The trap bar deadlift is not a hinge, it's closer to a half squat that you hold in your hands.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>This is a dogshit exercise
because reasons bot right? >do nordic curls instead
those are THE REAL nordic curl, in a static hold in stretched position only that my alternative works, nordics don't because there ain't on person on earth that can do them - it's always dynamic convulsing shitty jolt and it is already elite level of strenght to do them >do negatives with support
what for? > because it's dynamic, athletic and looks cool
things i'm trying to avoid, lie down flex pull heels to head - that's it, no stupid gimmics u need an body to do this xD >no way you actually believe this lmao
lmao which joint is bent?
https://i.imgur.com/nqZRUVN.png
Do you see this? The hamstrings are red, that means that they will grow from the movement.
hip joint, do them deadlifts though, u lifted the weight u get an toster xD
[...]
hamstrings go through 2 joints - hip and knee
when u deadlift it works the part that is hidden below arse and preferably in pants of sort for a male, the part that is visible though by the knee is not worked >but it is
no it ain't, upper part shits first and lower part is on vacation
lie down on floor and make an bridge supporting urself on shoulders and heels, pull heels towards ur head in this position, hold the tension - that's the lower more visible part of hamstring and i've got it because i was doing this thing for 2 months and u don't because u were deadlifting like an imbecile for years xD
>hamstrings go through 2 joints - hip and knee >when u deadlift it works the part that is hidden below arse and preferably in pants of sort for a male, the part that is visible though by the knee is not worked
objective truth
3 months ago
Anonymous
>go do nordic curls instead
40 seconds time under tension - how? i suppose u could get low in negative and hold but that is WRONG also because muscle is flexed in said position and ur lower back is wobbly, unstable
with this:
[...]
hamstrings go through 2 joints - hip and knee
when u deadlift it works the part that is hidden below arse and preferably in pants of sort for a male, the part that is visible though by the knee is not worked >but it is
no it ain't, upper part shits first and lower part is on vacation
lie down on floor and make an bridge supporting urself on shoulders and heels, pull heels towards ur head in this position, hold the tension - that's the lower more visible part of hamstring and i've got it because i was doing this thing for 2 months and u don't because u were deadlifting like an imbecile for years xD
>lie down on floor and make an bridge supporting urself on shoulders and heels, pull heels towards ur head in this position, hold the tension - that's the lower more visible part of hamstring and i've got it because i was doing this thing for 2 months and u don't because u were deadlifting like an imbecile for years xD
lower back is fixed in tension and u pull as much as u want - i want 40 seconds time under tension so i don't pull too hard right away 😀 bonus for thorasic extension
there is no reason to deadlift bench nor squat like an powersharter when u r not powersharting and even if u do - have u seen eddie hall train for deadlifts? he ain't deadlifting, check it, very interesting
3 months ago
Anonymous
>have u seen eddie hall train for deadlifts? he ain't deadlifting
Yes, he did
Pretty much every exercise with zercher grip gets shit on unnecessarily. Fun as frick to lift with a zercher grip. I don't have a clue what muscles it works cuz I have no idea what exercises do what but it's cool and I think it's functional.
>Fun as frick to lift with a zercher grip
That's what makes it a meme lift. Look at the picture you posted. People would assume you're fricking around, and they'd be right.
i dont get the hate on trap bar DL, ive never done it because i dont go to a gym and i dont own one. but it seems like it would be really comfortable and smooth like silk
I like it, but not enough to fit in my program. Using the lower bars means you have to have your hands fricking perfectly in the middle or the thing tilts on you. Also the design of the trapbar means straps don't help nearly as much as on a regular barbell, which most trapbars seem to compensate for with extremely aggressive knurling that tears up my hands at higher weights. I prefer regular deadlifts, RDLs, and weighted back extensions by holding a barbell off the ground with a wide grip. There's no room to force trapbar deadlifts in, and I'd rather do something like power cleans if I did have room.
One exercise I think is really stupid is farmer walks. Sure they aren't useless, but they take so fricking much out of you. There are much more efficient ways to train grip and core.
I'll keep it simple: if you need specialty equipment for your exercise, the exercise is gay, and so are you.
>trap bar
gay >kettlebells
gay >"resistance" bands
gay >bowflex
gay >peloton
gay >total gym
gay unless you're Chuck Norris >gay ass safety squat bar with HANDLES
extra gay >literal machinery that you can't afford that mimics a barbell with extra safeties
gay >barbell hip thrusts
get the frick out of the gym you worthless prostitute
>this factory made balanced barbell with standard weight and size is however perfectly natural, in fact our ancestors used barbells as spears to kill mammoths
The trap bar deadlift is a perfect example of the IQ bellcurve. You start off using it because it feels natural and are less prone to injury. Then in the midwit stage you switch to conventional because your ego tells you that you aren’t a real man unless you pull conventional, but you convince yourself it’s more beneficial for you. This is where most people either stay or injure themselves out of lifting all together. But if you eventually hit sage mode, you go back to trap bar DLs because it feels natural and are less prone to injury.
>you go back to trap bar DLs because it feels natural and are less prone to injury.
Sorry but you actually went back to the left of the bell curve. You'll be right of the bell curve when you realize that the trap bar has its own unique benefits that aren't just replacing a real hinge pattern.
At my gym we call it the 41% lift
>At my gym we call it the 41% lift
lost it at first post
explain?
"trap" is a term used for trannies and "41%" refers to an infamous statistic that 41% of trannies have attempted suicide.
ty
>Spoon-feeding
IST is truly dead
tfw i was her from before puddi puddi baka tbh senpai and i didnt get it
Unironically kys then
ISTs obsession with transsexuals.
because the bar has a big hole in it, it only weighs 41% of a standard barbell. Thus any lift with it is 41% as good as a normal deadlift. This is why dyels use it to look impressive even though one plate is only 8 kg on the trapbar
Don’t get it.
>... for no reason...
There is good reason though. Use a Barbell.
>There is good reason though.
Ah, there it is. Let's hear it anon.
Because… Because there just is! OK!?
>though
>though
>though
What's the reason buddy?
Checked. I stopped saying "though" in all communication because of these types of autistic posts.
Keked and checked and same bro.
Wtf checked.
Nice
the trap bar deadlfit is a half squat and is an inferior movement to the squat and deadlift thoughever
If it was about purity of movement we would all be doing front squats and sldl's instead of the regular variations. Trap bar is superior if you are trying to get people moronicly strong in a short amount of time, and covers a good mix of the squat and deadlift patterns while allowing uih to use more weight. You can use it to develop peak strength more safely and efficiently, and you can use it to develop work capacity more safely and efficiently. If you're going to compete in powerlifting do the fricking competition lifts obviously.
it's literally nothing more than an ego lift, especially when done from the high handles
>the trap bar deadlfit is a half squat
So is a normal deadlift
>So is a normal deadlift
You don't know how to hinge.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
YOU HAVE TO USE THE INEFFICIENT METHOD!!! YOU HAVE TO BLOW YOUR BACK OUT YOU JUST DO BECAUSE THATS WHAT THEY DO AT THE POWERLIFTING COMP!!!!
>NOOOO YOU HAVE TO DO CONVENTIONAL/TRAP BAR DEADLIFTS, BECAUSE YOU JUST HAVE TO, MMMKAY SWEATY?
I will stick to the humble (deficit) RDL, thank you very much
just do behind the back deficit deadlift
its an objectively superior lift if you care more about aesthetics and sports performance than powershitting
Why?
>don't have to navigate a bar around your knees
>can just stand straight up with a natural movement
>arms at a neutral and natural position which is easier on shoulders
>trains grip better because you can't cheat with switch grip
Those are the reasons I prefer them. Why do you hate them?
I don't hate them, I was just curious why you thought they were superior.
I do them because they feel more natural to me.
grip is often a limiting factor when it comes to deadlift so it doesn't make sense to train your grip on this.
That being said, it sounds like you don't lift at all if that was one of your reasons this lift is "better".
The true reason why its "better" is because its just safer, thats it. Its for people who aren't going to spend more than a year or two working out; dont need to waste time learning a new skill.
>dont need to waste time learning a new skill
lmao, this is actually true. but i also do trap bar deadlifts as well
>why do you like x
>I like it because of these reasons
>no you're wrong
Black person.
>don't have to navigate a bar around your knees
You don't know how to hinge.
>can just stand straight up with a natural movement
You don't know how to hinge
>arms at a neutral and natural position which is easier on shoulders
You don't know how to hinge
>trains grip better because you can't cheat with switch grip
Reverse grip stops the bar from rolling out of your hands. The neutral grip handles on a trap bar don't roll out of your hands.
>reverse grip
mixed grip you moron and mix grip leads to imbalances and turns you into quasimodo
Who cares. You clearly knew what I meant and and your pedantic little outburst doesn't contribute to the discussion anyway. My point is that "cheating" grip is built into the trap bar.
have a nice day you absolute fricking moron. It does not lead to imbalances, and even if it did, all you would have to do is switch over and under after half your reps. But obviously someone with 70 iq like you is too moronic to think of such a simple solution.
>all you would have to do is switch over
No one actually does this.
Mixed grip is gay. Unless you compete in powerlifting (which is still pretty fricking stupid, let’s be honest) there’s no reason to use mixed grip. Use straps
>he intentionally grinds down his most sensitive hinges
moron. Dumbfrick, even.
ESL? What are you even trying to say? If you're implying that proper hinge patterns with a barbell are harmful, you're a moron and
>you don't know how to hinge.
>not just doing hook grip
>suffer pain for a weaker grip for no benefit
>hook grip
>painful
what?
i think i read something from mark ripptoe that basically said that he thought the trap bar deadlift was more dangerous than the barbell deadlift was because at the top of the motion. the arms could swing around and potentially hurt themselves. where as with the barbell. the motion of the bar is strictly controlled at all times. that was his logic. which makes sense to me
you can overload your traps, upper back and posterior chain without compromising your lower back
as for sports performance, the trap bar is used in a lot of mma and fighting gyms
Skullcrusher, tendonlets hate that one.
Anything on a smith machine.
NOOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO USE THE BARBELL HOW ELSE ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO SHRED YOUR SHINS!!!!!!!!
How are you idiots hitting your legs with a barbell deadlift? It's literally never happened to me. I'm a 155lb sticklet with a 315lb max, but still, if you're hitting yourself with the bar, you're doing it wrong.
dragging it up your shins is just a brainlet way of ensuring "proper form"
You probably don't even push your hips in, just wear long socks and sweats. I'm literally never gonna even go higher weight than my 3rm it's fricking moronic and gets you nowhere.
every trainer that respects his clients will recommend the trap bar over a barbell. if you don't plan to compete, you don't have to use the barbell.
why would I waste money on a sissy barbell for my home gym when my regular barbell works just fine?
Some of us go to gyms and have other people jannie our weights for us because we can afford it thank you
you can afford to rent your gains? I guess you rent everything else? You will own nothing and be happy.
I own important things and rent things that are not advantageous to own yes. I also go to a gym that has a bunch of amenities and filters poors so thats nice. I can even work from there sometimes
I can be too lazy to finish a workout and do it later and don't have to be paranoid getting high and drunk in the parking lot like an animal.
> don't have to be paranoid getting high and drunk in the parking lot like an animal
I…what?
Not no reason, rather unfair or invalid reasons:
Upright row
Situps
Tbar row
I do these, both with the high and low handles, and standard deads. once you get above a certain strength level you realize the importance of variations. there is no contest.
I do these instead of regular deads. Im more concerned with putting up weight than getting my setup right and the lifting position has more carryover anyway. I also use it for rdls
I dont know if it is because I am more used to the barbell, but I started doing trapbar deadlifts and I struggled way more to consistently add weights, so I went back to barbell DLs.
It's such a "Snowflake" lift.
High-handle trap bar deadlift is a complete waste of time. You aren't getting close to a full stretch with the hamstrings, you need a far higher load to get the same stimulus and the grip position encourages squatting the lift rather than hinging.
If you don't want to do heavy conventional deadlifts, which is fine, not everyone does, you're far better off with snatch grip deficit RDLs because you get far greater hypertrophy benefits without the high load of a trap bar.
RDLs don't do shit to grow hamstrings, meme lift
>RDLs don't do shit to grow hamstrings, meme lift
My hamstrings barely work after I'm finished with RDLs but sure bro, they don't work the hamstrings despite the lift being pure hip extension with minimal knee bend, which is ideal for working the hamstrings
they don't grow the hamstrings
>they don't grow the hamstrings
Yeah, and bench press doesn't grow the pecs, chinups don't grow the lats, curls don't grow the biceps, and squats don't grow the quads and glutes.
sorry they don't, doms don't mean shit
>doms don't mean shit
True, but my hamstrings grew massively when I started doing RDLs, and when I get stronger on RDLs, I also get stronger on nordic curls, so there you go. Find a person who can do deficit RDLs with 4pl8 with good technique and you'll have a person with gargantuanly large hamstrings
Also wtf even is your argument? Hamstrings work to extend the hips, RDLs are pure hip extension, and the minimal knee bend allows the hamstrings to work since they aren't getting cucked by their secondary function (knee flexion). By definition RDLs are a hamstring exercise.
>By definition RDLs are a hamstring exercise
that won't make them grow
>sure but they won't get bigger
>that won't make them grow
Then wtf will make them grow? That's like saying that curls work the biceps but they won't make them grow. That makes no fricking sense dude, RDLs hit the hamstrings hard in the lengthened position so they will grow the hamstrings better than pretty much anything else. If you take your deficit RDL from 60kg to 160kg, your hamstrings WILL be much bigger, there's no way around that.
Also again, you still haven't explained why this would be the case. You have no argument other than "durr hurr they won't grow lollollol"
This is true but that part of the hamstring is extremely small so it won't contribute that much to overall hamstring size. You'll probably get better growth from doing a knee flexion movement as well as a hip hinge and it'll help for injury prevention too so you definitely should do ham curls / nordic curls
Hurrr hurrr hurrr. Just donkey noises thats what I hear
moronic Black person shit
they target most of the hamstrings, but you also want hamstring curls for the short head of the bicep femoris since it doesn't attach at the hip like the rest of the hamstring.
sure but they won't get bigger
most moronic post on fit
the troony that seeths about trap bars also thinks that rdls are a meme when they are the best hamstring exercise
yeah it targets hamstrings but they don't get big
>yeah it targets hamstrings but they don't get big
Nobody with a 200kg+ RDL has small hamstrings.
they got big hamstrings from something else
>they got big hamstrings from something else
Nope. You can find minimalists out there who only do RDLs for hamstrings and nothing else, and you'll find that if they have a very strong RDL, they have gigantic hamstrings. There is no way you can do 200kg+ RDLs for reps and have small hamstrings, because if you did have small hamstrings, you wouldn't be able to RDL 200kg+
no, wrong
Would you say that someone who can do curls with 35kg dumbbells has small biceps? Would you say that someone who can front squat 220kg has small quads? Would you say that someone who can OHP 100kg has small delts?
Would you say that someone who can RDL 220kg has small hamstrings?
just saying rdls don't grow hamstrings
No, wrong. RDLs do grow the hamstrings, as well as the glutes, the spinal erectors, and the upper back to a degree
doesn't make them bigger
RDLs grow the hamstrings.
incorrect
False, RDLs do grow the hamstrings.
they target hamstrings but don't make them bigger
Do you see this? The hamstrings are red, that means that they will grow from the movement.
it hits the hamstrings but they don't grow
Lol bro, I have Black person hamstrings like an NFL running back from doing these. You’re full of shit.
wrong, was from something else
Dude stop replying to him wtf. Are you purposely getting trolled?
That was my first one but ya, I scrolled up and see what he’s doing. What a turd
They do grow though.
Everyone's weakest point is keeping the hips forward so glutes and lower back I honestly don't see a reason to ever do rdls.
hamstrings go through 2 joints - hip and knee
when u deadlift it works the part that is hidden below arse and preferably in pants of sort for a male, the part that is visible though by the knee is not worked
>but it is
no it ain't, upper part shits first and lower part is on vacation
lie down on floor and make an bridge supporting urself on shoulders and heels, pull heels towards ur head in this position, hold the tension - that's the lower more visible part of hamstring and i've got it because i was doing this thing for 2 months and u don't because u were deadlifting like an imbecile for years xD
>no it ain't, upper part shits first and lower part is on vacation
No way you actually believe this lmao
The only part of the hamstring that doesn't get worked is the short head of the biceps femoris. That muscle makes up like 1-2% of the size of the hamstrings or some shit, the other 98-99% gets worked just fine so your logic is entirely flawed.
I do have very hamstrings both upper and lower myself, but I'm extremely strong at nordic curls (been doing them for 2 years now) so I suppose my lower hamstrings would be large either way regardless of you being correct or not
>lie down on floor and make an bridge supporting urself on shoulders and heels, pull heels towards ur head in this position, hold the tension - that's the lower more visible part of hamstring and i've got it because i was doing this thing for 2 months and u don't because u were deadlifting like an imbecile for years xD
This is a dogshit exercise, go do nordic curls instead
>but I'm extremely strong at nordic curl
You're on a one way trip to snap city.
>You're on a one way trip to snap city.
Tf are you on? Nordic curls are great for injury prevention (esp for preventing ACL tears), and they're one of the best hamstring isolation exercises. If your body is so fragile that you can't do one, then that's your problem, not mine.
Also you'd think that I would have gone to snap city by now since I've been doing them for 2 years, but nope, no injuries at all lmao
You probably post about how Deadlifts also prevent injuries when the reality is nordic curls and Deadlifts injure more people than they help.
>Deadlifts injure more people than they help.
I can't speak for Nordic curls but you sound like you're made of glass.
We're in a thread discussing a superior version of the deadlift because it injures less.
The trap bar deadlift is not a hinge, it's closer to a half squat that you hold in your hands.
>This is a dogshit exercise
because reasons bot right?
>do nordic curls instead
those are THE REAL nordic curl, in a static hold in stretched position only that my alternative works, nordics don't because there ain't on person on earth that can do them - it's always dynamic convulsing shitty jolt and it is already elite level of strenght to do them
>do negatives with support
what for?
> because it's dynamic, athletic and looks cool
things i'm trying to avoid, lie down flex pull heels to head - that's it, no stupid gimmics u need an body to do this xD
>no way you actually believe this lmao
lmao which joint is bent?
hip joint, do them deadlifts though, u lifted the weight u get an toster xD
>hamstrings go through 2 joints - hip and knee
>when u deadlift it works the part that is hidden below arse and preferably in pants of sort for a male, the part that is visible though by the knee is not worked
objective truth
>go do nordic curls instead
40 seconds time under tension - how? i suppose u could get low in negative and hold but that is WRONG also because muscle is flexed in said position and ur lower back is wobbly, unstable
with this:
>lie down on floor and make an bridge supporting urself on shoulders and heels, pull heels towards ur head in this position, hold the tension - that's the lower more visible part of hamstring and i've got it because i was doing this thing for 2 months and u don't because u were deadlifting like an imbecile for years xD
lower back is fixed in tension and u pull as much as u want - i want 40 seconds time under tension so i don't pull too hard right away 😀 bonus for thorasic extension
there is no reason to deadlift bench nor squat like an powersharter when u r not powersharting and even if u do - have u seen eddie hall train for deadlifts? he ain't deadlifting, check it, very interesting
>have u seen eddie hall train for deadlifts? he ain't deadlifting
Yes, he did
then what does mongoloid
Do them with lower weights focusing on proper technique before acting all defiant like a dumb Black person.
It’s because…
>a)never done RDLs
>b)DYEL weights
>c)shit form
>d)all of the above
Correct answer: (you)
Sumo deadlift.
I do shrugs right before hex bar deadlift and my traps are fried the next day
Pretty much every exercise with zercher grip gets shit on unnecessarily. Fun as frick to lift with a zercher grip. I don't have a clue what muscles it works cuz I have no idea what exercises do what but it's cool and I think it's functional.
Wtf is with that stance?
It's just a front squat but worse in every way. Mobilitylets bragging about their inferiority.
>Fun as frick to lift with a zercher grip
That's what makes it a meme lift. Look at the picture you posted. People would assume you're fricking around, and they'd be right.
Autism machine broke
i dont get the hate on trap bar DL, ive never done it because i dont go to a gym and i dont own one. but it seems like it would be really comfortable and smooth like silk
Upright row
Behind-neck shoulder presses
Both are great for delts. Only pussies don’t do them.
bulgarian split squats
arnold press
I like it, but not enough to fit in my program. Using the lower bars means you have to have your hands fricking perfectly in the middle or the thing tilts on you. Also the design of the trapbar means straps don't help nearly as much as on a regular barbell, which most trapbars seem to compensate for with extremely aggressive knurling that tears up my hands at higher weights. I prefer regular deadlifts, RDLs, and weighted back extensions by holding a barbell off the ground with a wide grip. There's no room to force trapbar deadlifts in, and I'd rather do something like power cleans if I did have room.
One exercise I think is really stupid is farmer walks. Sure they aren't useless, but they take so fricking much out of you. There are much more efficient ways to train grip and core.
I'll keep it simple: if you need specialty equipment for your exercise, the exercise is gay, and so are you.
>trap bar
gay
>kettlebells
gay
>"resistance" bands
gay
>bowflex
gay
>peloton
gay
>total gym
gay unless you're Chuck Norris
>gay ass safety squat bar with HANDLES
extra gay
>literal machinery that you can't afford that mimics a barbell with extra safeties
gay
>barbell hip thrusts
get the frick out of the gym you worthless prostitute
barbels are gay
train with rocks like in the olden times
you should train with a calf, raise it over your head every day as it grows, and you'll be as mighty as Milo.
>this factory made balanced barbell with standard weight and size is however perfectly natural, in fact our ancestors used barbells as spears to kill mammoths
Imagine making that your religion.
Travel more anon
The trap bar deadlift is a perfect example of the IQ bellcurve. You start off using it because it feels natural and are less prone to injury. Then in the midwit stage you switch to conventional because your ego tells you that you aren’t a real man unless you pull conventional, but you convince yourself it’s more beneficial for you. This is where most people either stay or injure themselves out of lifting all together. But if you eventually hit sage mode, you go back to trap bar DLs because it feels natural and are less prone to injury.
and then once you go beyond that you switch to single leg dumbbell deadlifts
>you go back to trap bar DLs because it feels natural and are less prone to injury.
Sorry but you actually went back to the left of the bell curve. You'll be right of the bell curve when you realize that the trap bar has its own unique benefits that aren't just replacing a real hinge pattern.
a trap bar deadlift is closer to a deadlift than a sumo deadlift is to a deadlift
Preacher curls, they blow up your biceps
>doesn't grow anything